Islam and Christianity

[TouchTestimony]

i just found out that Islam and Christianity share the same roots. wondering which one supersedes the other and why?

 

[David777]

Hello TT.

Islam and Christianity do not share the same roots.

One is of the Spirit the other is of the flesh.

One is above and free, the other is in slavery.

One is love in its purest, the other fuels hate.

One is God's redemptive plan for humanity.
The other has the devils plan for war and
destruction.

Jesus Christ is the Truth, Islam does not have
Jesus therefore it is a lie.

I cannot see the common roots.

 

[agua]

Amen David.

 

[TouchTestimony]

Islam and Christianity do not share the same roots.

One is of the Spirit the other is of the flesh.

One is above and free, the other is in slavery.

One is love in its purest, the other fuels hate.

One is God's redemptive plan for humanity.
The other has the devils plan for war and
destruction.

Jesus Christ is the Truth, Islam does not have
Jesus therefore it is a lie.

I cannot see the common roots.

the common roots, david777, come in the form of adam and eve. the rest, i suppose, is open to interpretation...

 

[B-A-C]

i just found out that Islam and Christianity share the same roots. wondering which one supersedes the other and why?

huh??

same roots??

If God created everything (Genesis 1:1) and Jesus is God (John 1:1) and everything was created by Jesus (John 1:3) then I would have to think it supercedes everything else.

Muslims believe that Allah is God. Some will say it is the same God of the Bible, however they do not believe in the trinity nor do they believe Jesus is God, so it's not really the same God.

Muslims believe that Muhammed was Allah's prophet. Mohammed was alive from about 570 AD to 632 AD. If he was the founder of Islam, this would put him about 600 years later than Jesus on the Earth, and about (there isn't enough room on the internet to put enough zero's here, how do you give a measure of time to infinity) years behind God/Jesus.

 

[TouchTestimony]

do you not share the same greatest grandparents? and if that isn't common roots, then i'm as confused as ever.

 

[Fraction]

These people are in denial.

Christianity and Islam have a lot in common. Islam came AFTER Christianity and includes some of its general teachings AND some of it's biblical figures.

From the same roots in a Christian perspective? No.
From the same roots in a logical perspective? Yes.

Sorry to break it to you people, but Islam copied Christianity in a lot of ways.

 

[farout]

Christianity and Islam?

Friends, I am sad to say it was only this year that I became aware of Islam and the Qur'an. This came about mainly because of President Obama and some of the suggestions that he was a Muslim.

In order to understand Islam you must have a Qur'an and read it for yourself. There are many who repeat what someone else has they read, and sometimes it is incorrect.

I have read a good deal of the Qur'an. If anyone believes the Qur'an teaches love and respect IT DOES NOT! The Qur'an Is clearly anti Jew and anti Christian. The Qur'an calls Jews and Christians infidels. In Chapter 4 verse 89 indicates Muslims must kill infidels rather than making friends with them. Thank those Muslims who don't follow the Qur'an to the fullest for that. Strict Muslims want the Jews killed and wiped of the map. The United States is equally hated.

For women the Qur'an makes life very unequal with any man. The treatment of women is harsh. A man may have more than one wife. The man is in total control and can beat his wife as long as he does not beat her where is would show.

The god of Islam is not the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, YAHWEH OF THE HOLY BIBLE. If a person reads the Qur'an, or just skims over several chapters, it won't take too much reading to come to the conclusion tha Islam is NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE.

What do good and evil have in common? This is how I personally think what the Bible and the Qur'an have in common, or how I view Christianity and Islam.

In The Holy Bible we are told to love our enemines, to forgive. We are told to treat our wife with the Love like Jesus has for His bride the Church. We are told to keep our minds free of lust as the thought of sex outside of marriage is a sin. Our control of our thought life is the LORDs best for us. Purity of thoughts, deeds and actions and treating outhers as we want to be treated is following Jesus Christ commands.


If anyone wants to believe that Christianity and Islam have any thing in common except mutial persons mentioned in both, they are sadly mistaken, in my opinion.

 

[B-A-C]

I too have read parts of the Qur'an. To say it has a lot in common with Christyianity is like saying a motorcycle is like a car, well they both have wheels, and they both have a engine, so it that respect, you could say the motorcycle "copied" a lot of things from the car. But to say they have a lot in common? I would say a Ford minivan and a Chevy minivan have a lot in common. Relatively speaking many other religions have much more in common with Christianity than Islam.

I am reminded of a Xerox commercial from a few years back, it shows several copy machine salesmen trying to sell a copier to some business man, at the end of all the presentations, the last sentence they said was.. "it's just as good as a Xerox", finally at the end of the commercial, the last salesman comes and says "and the best thing about this copier is.." the business man interrupts him and says "I know, I know, it's just as good as a Xerox", then the salesman says.. well actually it IS a Xerox. Finally the business man buys a copier.

I've heard Buddhism, is a lot like Christianity, Islam is a lot like Christianity, Hinduism is a lot like Christianity, New Age is a lot like Christianity, it's funny you hardly ever them compare themselves to each others, they are all "just as good as Christianity"... at least until you meet Jesus. Buddha didn't die for you. Muhammed didn't die for you, and they didn't send their son to die for you either.

 

[Fraction]

No one is talking about the differences between the two religions. We are talking about the roots of them. Where did they come from? Where did the writers get their ideas from? This thread isn't about how evil you think Islam is and how good you think Christianity is. You are IGNORING the topic, and talking about irrelevant opinions.

Christianity is believed by a Christian to be written by worldly authors under divine influence by God. Islam was created after the creation of Christianity, obviously it will not be exactly the same but it does take some ideas and things from it. In more specific, biblical scriptures and concepts versus the actual religion as a whole.

This topic isn't about anyone's personal belief on Islam or Christianity. The OP wants to know about the roots.

The roots of Christianity obviously comes from God in a Christian perspective. In a non-christian perspective it would have to come directly from and ancient Egyptian religion that is no longer practiced. Islam roots are from imagination combined with ideas from Christianity and probably other religions as well.

So are the roots the same? To an extent, they are the same. To a non-believer, it's a repeating process. "I copy you, he copies me, we all change things to fit our view" To a believer, Islam bent and twisted the concept of Christianity to their will and views.

 

[JonahofAkron]

Historically, Christianity began as a sect of Judaism. Islam uses both the Tanakh (Hebrew Scriptures/'Old Testament') and the Apostolic Writings ('New Testament') as its sources. It borrows some ideas and philosophies and tosses in a good bit of feudal force in to 'make' adherents 'persuade' others to join or die. It was and is used to create empires. It's terrifying. The date, September 11th, might have been chosen for its importance in Muslim history. Some historians say that on September 11th, 1683, the Ottoman Turks were met and held back from conquering the gates of Vienna, preventing their siege and push into Europe (the West) and that the terrorist attacks were picking up where the crumbling Muslim empire left several hundred years ago. Or it was random....I'm not sure.

 

[B-A-C]

No one is talking about the differences between the two religions. We are talking about the roots of them. Where did they come from?
This topic isn't about anyone's personal belief on Islam or Christianity. The OP wants to know about the roots.

The roots of Christianity obviously comes from God in a Christian perspective. In a non-christian perspective it would have to come directly from and ancient Egyptian religion that is no longer practiced. Islam roots are from imagination combined with ideas from Christianity and probably other religions as well.

So are the roots the same? To an extent, they are the same. To a non-believer, it's a repeating process. "I copy you, he copies me, we all change things to fit our view" To a believer, Islam bent and twisted the concept of Christianity to their will and views.

Obviously, the roots are from Satan.. as are all the counterfeit religions.

Jesus isn't "a" way - he is "the" way.

 

[Fraction]

Obviously, the roots are from Satan.. as are all the counterfeit religions.

Jesus isn't "a" way - he is "the" way.

If that's what you believe then it is just that.

Not everyone believes in God or Satan.

So obviously, there are many roots that can be traced in all religions. This includes the one you and I study, practice, and get into every single day.

 

[brakelite]

What you folks might be missing here is the fact that there are many very devout Muslims who love God and are living fully in accord to what light they have as to who He is and His ways and nature, and eschew the violent aspects of Islam. Just as there is a history within Christianity, in both Catholic and Protestant circles, of great violence against the innocent costing many millions of lives, yet most Christians would recoil in horror if accused of being a part of that.

To focus on various aspects of Islam and the differences that exist between us, we are perhaps creating among ourselves a mindset that fosters animosity rather than engendering a spirit of love that would result in a more determined intent to share the gospel and the love of Christ with them. I can personally testify that there are a great many Muslim men and women who are open to discussion, are hungry for truth, who sincerely love God and would readily accept Jesus if given the opportunity.

I have seen many such threads as this develop into nothing more than gripe sessions against Islam. " But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you".

 

[jiggyfly]

I have seen many such threads as this develop into nothing more than gripe sessions against Islam. " But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you".

I agree with you here Brakelite, we should love muslims, we should love everyone.
Even though Islam is a false religion it is no different any of the other false religions and cults including some within the christian religious institution.

It is sad that many so-callled Christians slam the door in the faces of JW's and LDS'.

 

[Kit Carson]

I think just be nice. If an opportunity does present itself to speak with a Mulim just tell them there is only one way and that is to accept Christ as Savior . No need to get mad at them and wish to hurt them. Let God take care of that kind of thing.

Some things take a bit of time, so if you tell the true message, God will take it from there.

The other day a couple of very cute Latino Girls knocked on our door, and delivered the message of God , they are Jehovah Witness or something, anyway their message was Jesus is ruling right now , this is his Kingdom. And the lion sleeps with the lamb.

I was nice, but politely told them the lion will eat the lamb, and if this is the Kingdom of Christ at the moment, hey just look around, is this what Christ would want or wish for anyone?? Your words hold no truth. They are the words of a false religion.

Some religions try to tell us that Christ was but a man, walked as man and died as man, the thing is our very inner spirit convicts us that Christ is and was and is still real.

About Satan......one cannot believe in God and accept all we are taught and not believe in Satan. One also realizes that within us is the capacity for evil also, as even Satan once was pure. His own evil inner nature in some way was born. Now he works to compound our own evil and magnify it....it is a very interesting subject but be very strong before you enter into that.....it can do more harm than good.
I am very reluctant to do anything more than Micheal did....and simply acknowledge the way, the reason why, but for sure not to challenge, it might get me into serious trouble. I will instead run to God and say......protect me please.....Lol! I am scared of that guy, and will not challenge him.

Kit

 

[Donnie Ducati]

Sorry for the long paste.............

The spirit of Islam
The spirit and character of Ishmael and his descendents is described in the Bible in Genesis 16:12: “And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. (These predictions describe the Arab people perfectly. They cannot get along with anyone in the world, and they cannot even get along among themselves. The descendants of Ishmael dwell in the presence of all his brethren [Israel], but do not subdue them and, in fact, never will subdue them!)”

The literal translation reads, “And he is a wild-*** man, his hand against every one, and every one’s hand against him – and before the face of all his brethren he dwelleth” (YLT). This aptly describes the spirit of those who follow Islam. The tribal life of the Middle Eastern Bedouin was embroidered into Muhammad’s Islamic dream. The hero image of the warrior male, and submissive women who were their rewards, characterized the essence of male glorification and mistreatment of women. The use of the word Islam since the time of Muhammad means submission but, before Muhammad it meant “warrior like.” Changing the use of the word did not change the spirit behind it.

Today, the nations of the Middle East have predominately remained uncivilized. Nearly 70% of the worlds’ Islamic population is illiterate. Many Muslims quote the verses of the Koran in their prayers with little comprehension of what it says or means. Their religious zeal can often be manipulated and aroused to jihad by a perceived threat or alleged criticism of its prophet Muhammad, or religious book. A recent example of this was witnessed after Pastor Terry Jones in Florida followed through with his burning of the Koran. The Islamic furor that followed saw at least two Christians killed and multiple churches attacked in Pakistan, says Asia News.

According to the outlet, two Christians were killed when Islamic extremists attacked a Pentecostal church in Hyderabad. The group originally showed up to burn the church, but were unsuccessful. Instead, they confiscated copies of the Bible and burned them.

In a similar attack, a mob reportedly attacked the Full Gospel Assembly Church, in the Badami Bagh area of Lahore. There, Asia News says, the attackers “threw copies of the Bible into the street and accused the Christians of blasphemy, claiming they found pieces of the Koran, not far from the church.” In countries like this blasphemy is punishable by death, according to Sharia Law. And in yet a third incident, a group of seven armed men attacked the Catholic Church of St. Thomas in the military district of Wah.

Afghan protesters angered by the burning of the Koran killed up to 20 United Nations staff, beheading two foreigners when they overran a compound in a normally peaceful northern city in the worst ever attack on the United Nations in Afghanistan. At least eight foreigners were among the dead after attackers took out security guards, burned parts of the compound, and climbed up blast walls to topple a guard tower, said Lal Mohammad Ahmadzai, a police spokesman for the northern region. Five protesters were also killed and around 20 wounded.

Sharia Source and Definitions
The term Sharia literally means “the path to a watering hole.” To a Muslim, Sharia is a religious code for living. Sharia is used to refer both to the Islamic system of law and the totality of the Islamic way of life. Sharia is derived both from the teachings of the Koran and the Sunna, which is referred to as Islamic custom and practice; particularly that which is associated with the exemplary life of the Prophet Muhammad, comprising of his deeds and utterances as recorded in the hadith. The word hadith literally means “report” or “narrative.” Whatever Muhammad said or did is what a Muslim says or does. The way he fought, treated others, and even the manner of how he cleaned himself is closely followed and imitated. Islam can be better understood by the west as the “cult of Muhammad.” Although he is not to be worshipped as god, Muslims around the world will defend his honor above the name of their god Allah. Recently, cartoon pictures of Muhammad were circulated by a Dutch artist. Muslim scholars issued fatwa’s, legal rulings, to kill anyone who participated in the act of desecrating Muhammad in such a manner. There were uprisings of Muslims as they went to the streets in many countries to protest with chanting threats and vandalism of property.

Founders and Schools of Islam that formed Sharia
There are two predominant recognized founders of Sharia Law in Islam. Although their names may not have great significance to the reader I will mention them for clarity of understanding; Malik ibn Anas and Ibn al-Shaf’i. The first established the Maliki School of jurisprudence and relied heavily on the hadith to establish how a Muslim should live. Al-Shaf’i was one of his students and disagreed in part with his teacher about the reliability of the hadith’s. He felt that it was necessary to trace each hadith from the time of Muhammad through its chain of devout followers. Out of this suggestion Muslim scholars began to question which hadith were true and which were not. The conflicts amongst scholars led to different applications of Islamic law. To add to the evolution of Islamic Sharia Law, Ibn al-Shaf’i promoted the idea of reasoning by analogy to develop new laws from existing laws. He also incorporated a technique of accepting consensus of the Muslim community. His reasoning was Allah would not allow an entire community to be in error on a basic Islamic principle. This is what is so confusing to the west when dealing with Muslims. Here in the United States of America (USA) Islam is recognized as just another religion and we should champion its freedom to practice its expression of worship. True adherents to Islam know that Islam goes beyond just worship but incorporates all aspects of their lives. In other words a Muslim cannot be limited to just worship, he must ever be seeking to establish Sharia Law to govern his whole life and thinking.

Strategy of Muslims to Obtain Sharia in Secular Societies
The reader must never underestimate the goal of Muslims in the USA to establish Sharia Law. The first step is for them to create a dual legal system. Many majority Muslim countries have a duel legal system in which the government is secular but Muslims can choose to bring familial and financial disputes to Sharia courts. Examples of this can be seen in Nigeria and Kenya, which have Sharia courts that rule on family law for Muslims. In Tanzania civil courts apply Sharia Law or secular law according to the religious backgrounds of the defendants. Lebanon and Indonesia have a mixed jurisdiction of courts based on residential colonial legal systems and supplemented with Sharia Law. Qatar officially uses a dual legal system. Their civil courts operate independently of the Sharia system to legislate secular laws. In 2008 Britain allowed Sharia tribunals governing marriage, divorce, and inheritance to make legally binding decisions if both parties agreed. The controversial Arch Bishop of Canterbury, Roman Williams, argued that this would help “maintain cohesion” in European societies increasingly divided by religion. What a spiritually blind person!

Sharia in America
Sharia is creeping into America and our legal system is beginning to recognize it! In Tampa, Florida, a dispute arose over who controls the funds a mosque received in 2008 from an eminent domain proceeding. Former trustees of the mosque are claiming in court they have the right to the funds. Current mosque leaders are disputing that claim. The current mosque leaders want the case decided according to secular, Florida civil law, and their attorney has been vigorously arguing the case accordingly. The former trustees of the mosque want the case decided according to Sharia Law. Here’s the kicker. The judge recently ruled, “This case will proceed under Ecclesiastical Islamic law,” (Sharia Law), “pursuant to the Qur’an.” Until America awakens from its sleep of unrealistic expectations born out of apathy and political correctness Islamic law will gradually make its way into every aspect of legal resolutions, civil matters, and special rights given to Muslims who cry victimhood at every occasion. I applaud the efforts of many states to preemptively stop Sharia Law in the USA. Next month I will detail how Sharia Law, and its rulings from a variety of countries, has brought great suffering to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Please pray for Muslims, they are the biggest victims of Islam. They need the Gospel of Jesus Christ, now more than ever. Please pray for our leaders for they are blinded by the wealth of the Islamic nations made rich by American money; and protected by American blood. We gave them the wrong sacrifice. We gave them our lives instead of the life God gave for us all, Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.

 

[Donnie Ducati]

There are three faiths in the world that trace their origins to Abraham. Jews, Christians and Muslims all claim father Abraham to be of vast significance to the establishment of their beliefs. Jews and Christians obtain the majority of their knowledge about Abraham from the Old Testament of the Bible, also called the Tanakh in Hebrew. Muslims hold to the Koran as their sacred book. Muslims believe their prophet Muhammad received revelations from Allah, his god, and memorized Allah’s instruction and then dictated the sayings to others. Later these revelations were compiled into a book after Muhammad’s death and called the Koran. Muslims believe Jews and Christians twisted and perverted the original meaning of the Bible. Therefore, Allah sent down the Koran to bring back the proper understanding of his will for man. In Islam Muhammad is revered above all prophets and is considered to be the last and greatest of all prophets. Muslims also revere Abraham as a Prophet and a version of his life is found throughout the Koran. Abraham’s name occurs 69 times in the Koran making him the second most occurring name of prophets in the Koran after Moses. There are many fundamental differences between the Bible story of Abraham and the Koran. Both accounts contradict each other. They are mutually incompatible.

The Koran is written in Suras, similar to chapters. The verses of the Koran are called Ayats. There are 114 Suras in the Koran. The structure of the chapters is not in histological or chronological order. The Suras, with the exception of the first one, are arranged by length. Chapter two is the longest, on down to the last Sura. Due to the lack of chronology the Koran is not designed to be a story. The very name Koran means to recite. It is more a book of commands than a storyline of historical events. The Hadiths, sayings and traditions of Muhammad, were assembled by followers of Muhammad after his death. The Hadiths provide some historical perspective that transpired throughout Muhammad’s life. The Hadiths explain the historical events in the Koran.

In Sura 6:74 the Koran claims Abraham’s father’s name was Azar and not Terah as in the Bible, Genesis 11:24, 31. Sura 14:37 says Abraham worshipped in the valley of Mecca. Mecca is located in modern day Saudi Arabia. A distance of over 750 miles separates Mecca from Israel.

The Bible clearly says in Genesis 13:18, Abraham worshipped Jehovah God in Hebron. The well-known story of how Abraham was commanded by God to offer Isaac as a sacrifice is detailed throughout Chapter 22 of Genesis. Jehovah God made it very clear that Abraham was to take his “only son Isaac” into the land of Moriah and offer him there for a burnt offering. Isaac was God’s Child of Promise. It was to be through his lineage that God’s Promise to Abraham would manifest. The contravening testimony of the Koran teaches in Sura 37:100-112, that Abraham offered Ishmael and not Isaac as a sacrifice.

Two more important discrepancies that distinguish the Bible from the Koran are not found in the Bible. In fact they are ambiguous and historically incorrect. The Koran claims Abraham built the Kabah, Sura 2:125-127. The Kabah was located in Mecca and was a shrine where 360 gods were worshipped amongst the Arab Bedouins. Muhammad’s family were the caretakers of the Kabah, according to Islamic tradition. One of the gods of the Kabah was Allah. Muhammad’s father was named after Allah. It is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. The only remote similarity in the stories of Abraham and Isaac in the Bible and Koran are simply their names.

The other story of Abraham’s life taken from the Koran is a claim that he was thrown into a furnace by Nimrod, Sura 21:68-69 and 9:69. This fairy tale is not found in the Bible but is plagiarized by Muhammad from Jewish tradition. This story is found in the Midrash Rabbah.

The Bible gives a lengthy story of Abraham and the Promises of God to him and his seed. The calling of Abraham came to him while he was a Gentile living in Ur of the Chaldees. Ur of the Chaldees was located in modern day Iraq not far from Babylon. God instructed Abraham to leave his family and go to a land that God would show him. The Promise of God to Abraham begins with a destination, Canaan land, known today as modern Israel or Palestine. We can immediately observe from the call to Abraham that it is linked to a promised land. The Promises given by God to Abraham required his obedience to God. If Abraham leaves his family and father’s house, and travels to the land God would show him, he would become a great nation and his name would be blessed, and he would be a blessing to the world. God would add to the Promise given to Abraham with a special Blessing to those that would bless Abraham. Likewise, God would curse those that cursed Abraham.

Abraham was to leave the worship of idols and separate himself from his family unto God. In order to better comprehend the deep meaning associated with Abraham’s relationship to God we must first understand how Abraham worshipped God through sacrifices. The first evidence we have of Abraham sacrificing to God is when Abraham passed through the land of Canaan. God appeared to Abraham and strengthened His Promise to him by telling him his seed, children, and future posterity, would also inherit the land. Abraham built an Altar unto God. The Hebrew for Altar means, a place of slaughter, signifying a place used for sacrifices. The sacrifice was a memorial to God for his deeds towards Abraham. The sacrifice denotes Abraham recognized God as God. His relationship was based on trust and obedience to God. The patriarch knew God and honored him with worship through sacrifices. It is essential for us to realize that throughout Abraham’s life the wonderful loving fellowship he shared with God was never without his sacrifices to God.

 

[David777]

Hello Donnie Ducati.

What an amazing post, it all seems correct.

Islam is a political religion,

"In other words a Muslim cannot be limited to just worship, he must ever
be seeking to establish Sharia Law to govern his whole life and thinking."

Muslims will eventually take over the government of any country in
which they exist.

 

[agua]

Muslims will eventually take over the government of any country in
which they exist.

At our last election we voted in our first Muslim minister. Sworn in on the Koran.

Mr Husic, the son of Yugoslavian migrants, is the first Muslim elected to federal parliament and will today become the first MP sworn in by the Chief Justice of the High Court with his hand on a copy of the Koran.
The Blacktown-based former national president of the Communications Electrical and Plumbing Union arrived in Canberra yesterday carrying with him the Koran of his proud migrant parents who will watch on from the public gallery as he takes his oath.
While downplaying his religion and the significance of his contribution to Australian political history, the MP for Chifley said "getting elected to parliament, full stop, is an enormous privilege".
But Mr Husic conceded others might well see his oath as a significant moment for Muslim Australians.

• From: The Australian
• September 28, 2010 12:00AM