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666 the mark: trinitarianism!

 

[Rxlx]

Babylon has fallen
Revelation 18:2
2;And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.'

Babylon the great is all religions that worship trinities...all members of these religions have 666 on their foreheads.

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[bdavidc]

You're countering what he said. That's why I questioned whether you believe him or not. John said the Word "was" God. He didn't say "is". He also said that the Word became flesh. He didn't say the Word put on or added flesh. The Trinity doctrine denies these two statements from John

John’s Gospel presents a clear and powerful testimony to the divinity of Jesus Christ. In John 1:1, the apostle writes, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The use of “was” does not diminish the eternal nature or divinity of the Word; rather, it emphasizes that the Word existed from the very beginning and was fully God before creation. This eternal existence is not bound by tense in human language. Furthermore, John 1:14 says, “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.” This does not suggest that the Word ceased being God or merely put on human appearance like a garment; it affirms that the eternal Word truly took on human nature while remaining fully divine. This is not a denial of either statement—it is a fulfillment of both. The Word who was God truly became man without ceasing to be God. Jesus, the incarnate Word, reveals the fullness of God in bodily form (Colossians 2:9), and His life, death, and resurrection affirm His divine identity. Throughout the New Testament, Jesus is worshiped, forgives sins, declares Himself one with the Father (John 10:30), and is called God by His disciples (John 20:28). These are not contradictions but the consistent revelation of God made known through Jesus Christ.

 

[bdavidc]

Babylon has fallen
Revelation 18:2
2;And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.'

Revelation 18:2 speaks of the fall of Babylon the Great, a symbolic figure used in Scripture to represent a system of spiritual corruption, idolatry, and opposition to God. However, this passage does not specifically refer to the doctrine of the Trinity, nor does it state that all who believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are part of Babylon. The Bible consistently reveals the triune nature of God—not as three gods, but as one God in three persons. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus commands His disciples to baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," showing a unified divine identity. At Jesus' baptism (Matthew 3:16–17), the Father speaks from heaven, the Son is baptized, and the Holy Spirit descends like a dove—demonstrating their distinct persons yet united presence. Far from being a mark of apostasy, the triune nature of God is revealed throughout Scripture as the true nature of the one living God. The number 666, mentioned in Revelation 13, is associated with the beast, a figure of deception and rebellion against God, not with those who worship the true God as revealed in His Word. God's people are called to worship Him in spirit and truth, as He has revealed Himself—not based on human assumptions, but on the testimony of Scripture.

 

[Rxlx]

Jesus is not GOD and GOD is not Jesus and holy spirit is not a real being.

 

[Butch5]

John’s Gospel presents a clear and powerful testimony to the divinity of Jesus Christ. In John 1:1, the apostle writes, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The use of “was” does not diminish the eternal nature or divinity of the Word; rather, it emphasizes that the Word existed from the very beginning and was fully God before creation. This eternal existence is not bound by tense in human language. Furthermore, John 1:14 says, “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.” This does not suggest that the Word ceased being God or merely put on human appearance like a garment; it affirms that the eternal Word truly took on human nature while remaining fully divine. This is not a denial of either statement—it is a fulfillment of both. The Word who was God truly became man without ceasing to be God. Jesus, the incarnate Word, reveals the fullness of God in bodily form (Colossians 2:9), and His life, death, and resurrection affirm His divine identity. Throughout the New Testament, Jesus is worshiped, forgives sins, declares Himself one with the Father (John 10:30), and is called God by His disciples (John 20:28). These are not contradictions but the consistent revelation of God made known through Jesus Christ.

This statement says all we need to know.

"This eternal existence is not bound by tense in human language."

This tells me that you're not concerned with what Scripture says. Whatever "you" understand is what the Scriptures teach. If we can simply change what the apostles said we just might end up with all of the confusion and false teaching, we see in the church today.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Just show that Jesus being God doesn't prove the doctrine. People are equivocating.

You are actually just showing that Jesus being God already puts you at odds, with most of those that don't. You truly are a minority. \o/ Still, I have yet to meet anyone who knows all of Scripture, even though many behave like they do. Oh, well. Enjoy!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Butch5]

You are actually just showing that Jesus being God already puts you at odds, with most of those that don't. You truly are a minority. \o/ Still, I have yet to meet anyone who knows all of Scripture, even though many behave like they do. Oh, well. Enjoy!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I would ask how many times has the majority been wrong? Evolution, flat earth, the vax is safe, the government has our best interests at heart, Big Pharma is looking for cures. I think the minority may be the place to be. LOL

 

[Christ4Ever]

I would ask how many times has the majority been wrong? Evolution, flat earth, the vax is safe, the government has our best interests at heart, Big Pharma is looking for cures. I think the minority may be the place to be. LOL

Agree, but the opposite can also be true.
Remember, whoever is left to write the history usually dictates not right or wrong, just who is left.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Butch5]

Agree, but the opposite can also be true.
Remember, whoever is left to write the history usually dictates not right or wrong, just who is left.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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Agreed. And history reveals a lot.

 

[bdavidc]

This tells me that you're not concerned with what Scripture says. Whatever "you" understand is what the Scriptures teach. If we can simply change what the apostles said we just might end up with all of the confusion and false teaching, we see in the church today.

You're wrong again. I haven’t changed anything the apostles said. The issue is that you don’t actually read my posts or seem to care about the truth.

 

[Rxlx]

Jesus never started being GOD.
When Jesus returns to Earth he will have the full power and authority of GOD but still not be GOD.

 

[Butch5]

You're wrong again. I haven’t changed anything the apostles said. The issue is that you don’t actually read my posts or seem to care about the truth.

You said,

"Jesus did not stop being God or give up His divine attributes when He became man. Instead, He took on a human nature—an addition rather than a subtraction—and willingly submitted the use of His divine attributes to the Father's will (John 5:19, 30; 8:28; Philippians 2:5-8)."

John said "the word was God." This indicates that the Word was not God when John wrote the Gospel. So, yes, you are contradicting the apostle and apparently disagree with him. He also said the Word became flesh. According to what you said He added flesh to His Divinity. That is not what John said. Once again, you are contradicting the apostle.

 

[Rhema]

You speak of word games with God's Word and now speak for what one of the writers would have done.

Language matters. What one says, and what one does not say. Just as important is the way in which a thing ought to have been written in order to convey the concept meant to be expressed.

When nothing can mean what it says, then everything said becomes nothing.

Because you've just made a generalization which included me and every Trinity believing person ever!
You know I don't take to that.

Indeed. My bad. I painted with a very broad brush stroke.

However.... During my career as Software Engineer, it was my job to take the concepts that are up inside people's heads and distill them into something concrete that a computer could understand. The technical term is Data Normalization, but it pretty much means that one must ensure that "X" actually means "X" and nothing else but "X" across the software landscape. Synonyms don't exist within a functional Definitional Framework.

I quickly ran into a bizarre phenomenon (bizarre at least to me) where people (all people) tend to think in what I call Invisible Words. While they may read a specific word on paper, that word can be substituted up inside their brain without mindful recognition that such is happening, and all sorts of secondary meanings branch off. You can see the words on paper, but you can't see the Invisible Words up inside a person's head.

And even in your post right here, you've provided a rather common example.

You speak of word games with God's Word

But you mean "Bible" don't you. And yes, I do speak of word games that people play with the Bible, in that I've shown here time and again that the Bible defines two separate "God's Word(s)." If you mean Bible, then say Bible. If you mean God's Word, then we would need to ask which "Word" you mean. LOGOS? or RHEMA?

Technically, then, when we apply a very precise Definitional Framework, The Bible is not "God's Word" because the Bible defines what "God's Word" is, and there are two of them - God's LOGOS, and God's RHEMA. Both are translated as "God's Word" - conflating two separate concepts together, and neither God's LOGOS nor God's RHEMA refers to the Bible. This is why I say that the Bible IS not God's Word (either of them) but rather that it contains a record of God's Word (both of them).

Again, my apologies that I was not as precise here in my replies to this thread as I typically am. I was trying for a more colloquial manner of speech, and wound up offending you.

My profession is General Semantics, and unfortunately people don't seem to care about being precise in what they say.

Blessings,
Rhema

 

[Rxlx]

Quote: 'My profession is General Semantics, and unfortunately people don't seem to care about being precise in what they say.'

My Bible says The descendants of Ephraim would be the greatest empire ever seen - The British Empire.

Genesis 48:19; And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.'

Semantically perfect description of the Anglo-Saxon Israelites.

Petards at dawn?

 

[Christ4Ever]

You speak of word games with God's Word and now speak for what one of the writers would have done.

Language matters. What one says, and what one does not say. Just as important is the way in which a thing ought to have been written in order to convey the concept meant to be expressed.

When nothing can mean what it says, then everything said becomes nothing.

Never said it didn't but when it comes to the Word of God it's not really our place to put what we believe the author meant, when the best we know of the author is all second hand to begin with. I do believe that is the very issue you have with many translations/translators.

Because you've just made a generalization which included me and every Trinity believing person ever!
You know I don't take to that.

Indeed. My bad. I painted with a very broad brush stroke.

However....

lol - with you there is always a "however" of sorts. I learned long ago that when one apologizes and you end it with a "but...", it's not really an apology, just a colorful excuse made to look like an apology. God taught/humbled me well in that regard. Not that I took your "My bad." and the rest of what you said as being an apology, but...I take what I can get.

However.... During my career as Software Engineer, it was my job to take the concepts that are up inside people's heads and distill them into something concrete that a computer could understand. The technical term is Data Normalization, but it pretty much means that one must ensure that "X" actually means "X" and nothing else but "X" across the software landscape. Synonyms don't exist within a functional Definitional Framework.

I quickly ran into a bizarre phenomenon (bizarre at least to me) where people (all people) tend to think in what I call Invisible Words. While they may read a specific word on paper, that word can be substituted up inside their brain without mindful recognition that such is happening, and all sorts of secondary meanings branch off. You can see the words on paper, but you can't see the Invisible Words up inside a person's head.

And even in your post right here, you've provided a rather common example.

I see it in you as well brother.

You speak of word games with God's Word

But you mean "Bible" don't you. And yes, I do speak of word games that people play with the Bible, in that I've shown here time and again that the Bible defines two separate "God's Word(s)." If you mean Bible, then say Bible. If you mean God's Word, then we would need to ask which "Word" you mean. LOGOS? or RHEMA?

Since you appear to know the differences and are able to comprehend the thoughts of others, it should never be a question for you of which one is being talked of. Of course, the reverse is not necessarily a given, so the onerous should always be on you to be as clear as possible.

Technically, then, when we apply a very precise Definitional Framework, The Bible is not "God's Word" because the Bible defines what "God's Word" is, and there are two of them - God's LOGOS, and God's RHEMA. Both are translated as "God's Word" - conflating two separate concepts together, and neither God's LOGOS nor God's RHEMA refers to the Bible. This is why I say that the Bible IS not God's Word (either of them) but rather that it contains a record of God's Word (both of them).

Again, my apologies that I was not as precise here in my replies to this thread as I typically am. I was trying for a more colloquial manner of speech, and wound up offending you.

My profession is General Semantics, and unfortunately people don't seem to care about being precise in what they say.

Since General Semantics is your forte, understanding that others see the Bible as being the Revealed Word of God and treasure it as such, which you do not. Any discussion on the subject of the Bible here on Talk Jesus should never have you included, because when you do, in truth, you become what some say you are. Closer to the point is that while others are invested in it for what it signifies to them as being, ultimately it is only an exercise for you and nothing more. Maybe, I can also read into people, if but poorly! lol

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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[Rhema]

when it comes to the Word of God it's not really our place to put what we believe the author meant,

Then why does your church have sermons in its service? Are they not expositions of what the speaker believes the author meant? If not, then one should just read scripture and nothing more.

If you believe what you actually said to be true, then you would never read any commentary on scripture ever again, and ought to discourage others from practicing this sin.

the best we know of the author is all second hand to begin with.

Third hand, in the case of Luke, since Luke was not an eyewitness, but merely an editor of other accounts.

I do believe that is the very issue you have with many translations/translators.

To the extent that the structuring of most all English translations is a purposeful decision "to put what we(they) believe the author meant." The "they" being the theological organization that is paying for the translation, hoping to make some money off of it.

I have no such motivation, to either push a theological agenda or a traditional bias. (And I'm certainly not making money.)

You're quite welcome to compare the translations in the New Testament I promote:

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek…

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament does thr…

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Then you'd see for yourself. Maybe do a bit further study. Even learn the language.

the best we know of the author is all second hand to begin with.

One does not need intimate information about the author in order to understand what he writes. But one does need to know the language. My concern is with the content (not the author) and the way ideas must be conveyed in order to communicate the desired understanding. This is language specific.

If one cannot understand what is written, then of what use is it? If one cannot understand how a concept ought to be written, then (again) what use is it?

As you've expressed your thoughts here, you are close to saying that the Bible cannot be understood at all (as it is written). That's a very Catholic perspective, and denies the rule of perspicuity.

lol - with you there is always a "however" of sorts. I learned long ago that when one apologizes and you end it with a "but...", it's not really an apology, just a colorful excuse made to look like an apology.

I hadn't realized you were so cynical. I shall take note.

I see it in you as well brother.

Now you're just being nasty with insults. PM an example. But I know you won't, because there are none.

Since you appear to know the differences and are able to comprehend the thoughts of others, it should never be a question for you of which one is being talked of.

It's not that I can read minds. It's that I've had hundreds if not thousands of conversations from which to draw an accurate generalization. Was I wrong? I trow not.

When the phrase "God's Word" is supplanted with the word Bible, then what is actually meant by the "God's Word" (either of them) is destroyed, killed, murdered, changed, mutilated. And truth dies.

the onerous should always be on you to be as clear as possible.

Indeed.

Since General Semantics is your forte, understanding that others see the Bible as being the Revealed Word of God and treasure it as such, which you do not.

Some treasure the relics of the saints. Some treasures the statues of Buddha. And indeed, many here go so far as to worship the Bible instead of trying to understand what it truly means. I don't treasure IT. I treasure what it means.

Any discussion on the subject of the Bible here on Talk Jesus should never have you included, because when you do, in truth, you become what some say you are.

Every discussion on the subject of the Bible here should always have me included, because it is not an object of worship or veneration for me. As such, I don't whitewash errors or contradictions that can be plainly seen within the text. Did Jesus say "take a staff" or did Jesus say "take no staff"?

And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse:​

(Mark 6:8 KJV)

And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.​

(Luke 9:3 KJV)

How can one even begin to discuss the truth of the Gospel message if one cannot inquire as to what is meant by what is written?

Rhema

others are invested in it for what it signifies to them as being,

As can be said with the relics of the Catholics. So are to promote such as well?

ultimately it is only an exercise for you and nothing more.

So finding the truth of what is meant by what is written is nothing more than an exercise for me? You truly don't know me to make such a false accusation. And ought you not to find the truth of what is meant by what is written?

 

[Rhema]

Petards at dawn?

Hoist away sister.

 

[Christ4Ever]

when it comes to the Word of God it's not really our place to put what we believe the author meant,

Then why does your church have sermons in its service? Are they not expositions of what the speaker believes the author meant? If not, then one should just read scripture and nothing more.

If you believe what you actually said to be true, then you would never read any commentary on scripture ever again, and ought to discourage others from practicing this sin.

My issue with you at times is that you don't quote the entirety of what is said. How about I try this and then you tell me you don't have a problem with what I got from it....

practicing this sin

So, you think it's okay to practice that sin? Wow, I really thought better of you!!!

I'm sure you have no problem with that right? You sinner! lol

I do believe that is the very issue you have with many translations/translators.

To the extent that the structuring of most all English translations is a purposeful decision "to put what we(they) believe the author meant." The "they" being the theological organization that is paying for the translation, hoping to make some money off of it.

I have no such motivation, to either push a theological agenda or a traditional bias. (And I'm certainly not making money.)

Monetary gain is not the only reason people do what they do. Hummm...ego, pride, hate, bias, win discussions, but by how you replied, you are actually making my point.

Then you'd see for yourself. Maybe do a bit further study. Even learn the language.

I told you about languages already...humm maybe it was tongues...
However, I do use the Zondervan Parallel New Testament in Greek and English. However, I'm sure the authors of which would not meet your high academic standards in linguistics! lol

Since General Semantics is your forte, understanding that others see the Bible as being the Revealed Word of God and treasure it as such, which you do not.

Some treasure the relics of the saints. Some treasures the statues of Buddha. And indeed, many here go so far as to worship the Bible instead of trying to understand what it truly means. I don't treasure IT. I treasure what it means.

Any discussion on the subject of the Bible here on Talk Jesus should never have you included, because when you do, in truth, you become what some say you are.

Every discussion on the subject of the Bible here should always have me included, because it is not an object of worship or veneration for me. As such, I don't whitewash errors or contradictions that can be plainly seen within the text. Did Jesus say "take a staff" or did Jesus say "take no staff"?



And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purseMark 6:8 KJV)



And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.(Luke 9:3 KJV)



How can one even begin to discuss the truth of the Gospel message if one cannot inquire as to what is meant by what is written?

Since you chopped my reply again, I do believe the following is sufficient for what I actually said and meant.

Maybe, if you didn't have it available to you at the whim, you'd actually treasure it more.
Ex: I gave one (used) to a person from India who had never seen one, much less in his own language. He treasured it so and was ready to bow to the ground to me in appreciation. I stopped him of course, but I hope you will understand how to some it is seen as a treasure, beyond words to describe, though you yourself are unable to see it so or appreciate that others do.

I see it in you as well brother.

Now you're just being nasty with insults. PM an example. But I know you won't, because there are none.

So, you can be nasty with insults, but I can't? lol
Your inability to see your own insulting ways, has always been my point. Haven't I from day 1 always said in not so many words stated that what you communicate could be stated in another fashion, that would not have the negative effects you apparently do not see? Unless of course your intent was to be insulting, which is what I initially believed after a few PM's with you, but now I just think, you are unable to process or admit to your own words being that way to anyone. So, it's their problem and not yours. (Heavy sigh)

Since you appear to know the differences and are able to comprehend the thoughts of others, it should never be a question for you of which one is being talked of.

It's not that I can read minds. It's that I've had hundreds if not thousands of conversations from which to draw an accurate generalization. Was I wrong? I trow not.

I guess you would say we have a... what was I going to say?
Which is my point, that no matter how many thousands of conversations you've had, you are not inerrant.

Gosh, sometimes I can't help but tickle the dog's paw, just to see them kick. You ever do that?

ultimately it is only an exercise for you and nothing more.

So finding the truth of what is meant by what is written is nothing more than an exercise for me? You truly don't know me to make such a false accusation. And ought you not to find the truth of what is meant by what is written?

Sometimes what they say is not what we can get from it without the Holy Spirit intervening to ensure we don't get what they mean but what God means.

1 Corinthians 2:10-14 (Whatever version or Interlinear of Greek that befits a man of learning)

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Rxlx]

What weird cult was Rhema raised in?

Something involving rattlesnakes and strong liquor?