justin bieber's tattoo

[stephon]

justin bieber professes to be a christian (although some of the photos of him with his girlfriend don't look very wholesome).

now he's got a giant `christian` tattoo on his thigh.

what do you guys think of this?

not sure what the theological position is about tattoos - personally i don't like them.

 

[farout]

Leviticus 19:28 Look it up and ask yourself, what was the reason in the OT not to have marks on our body then? Why do we think it's alright now?

Some who think what they put on the body in their twenties, mature in their forties, and hate did back them.

Personally, I think it's wrong andipresents a health risk. If we have enough money to but such markings why not send it to the mission field where children need clean water to drink, and shoes for their feet. I believe God will judge us for such selfish stupid markings that do not glorify Him.

 

[stephon]

tattoos

i'm not a big fan myself, farout - david beckham is even worse than justin.

although justin did say in a billboard interview :

"I believe that Jesus died on a cross for my sins," "He's the reason that I'm here."

he's right there.

justin is reported to have stated that he doesn't need to go to church - he prefers to communicate with God on his own terms:shock:

though i can see how it'd be difficult practically for him to join a church - all the girls in the congregation would be ogling him and it'd be difficult for him to behave normally.

 

[Fraction]

It doesn't make him any less of a Christian than anyone else.

 

[rizen1]

Good points.

Do you find his portrayal in magazines to be feminine ?
With magazines stacked near the register I get a glimpse of the magazine cover and I always mistake him for a woman. I'm not sure why they photoshop his face in such a way, soften appearance, rosy cheeks, red or pink lips ( exaggerated as thou wearing makeup ). His facial expressions and posses seem to mimic that of female models.

The reality is the only Christian in Hollywood is Christian Slater. It will be very hard for a Christian to work in hollywood, the things you'll be asked to do and people you have to associate with. You're groomed to look a particular way to attract a certain audience.
Justin b from a marketing sense appeal to both men and young females.

Corey Feldman was not looking for attention when he said " Hollywood's biggest problem is pedophilia ."

 

[Fraction]

Good points.

Do you find his appearance feminine ?
With magazines stacked near the register I get a glimpse of the magazine cover and I always mistake him for a woman. I'm not sure why they photoshop his face in such a way, soften appearance, rosy cheeks, red or pink lips ( exaggerated as thou wearing makeup ). His facial expressions and posses seem to mimic that of female models.

The reality is the only Christian in Hollywood is Christian Slater. It will be very hard for a Christian to work in hollywood, the things you'll be asked to do and people you have to associate with. You're groomed to look a particular way to attract a certain audience.
Justin b from a marketing sense appeal to both men and young females.

Corey Feldman was not looking for attention when he said " Hollywood's biggest problem is pedophilia ."

What does his appearance being feminine have anything to do with his tattoo or his personal beliefs? Tons of males look feminine without make up, Photoshop, or even picture editing. He is wearing make up by the way, so it is probably less photo editing and more high powered cameras picking up all the things you see. Photo editing probably gets rid of all the actual picture flaws that do make it through though. We don't really know exact details, but it doesn't make a difference.

The reality is, is that you don't know what is in the hearts of anyone else but yourself. It's very hard for ANYONE to work and live their life, no one said it would be easy. So why would it be harder for a Christian to work in Hollywood? Do you believe it all to be the work of Satan and evil? I would find that hard to believe, because Christian-like entertainment comes from Hollywood as well (music and movies dedicated to the Christian faith and it's attributes). Not everyone is asked to do the same things in this industry. You are groomed to do that, but it is marketing. I think Justin B is targeted at young female audiences. As a male, I don't find him attractive at all. I know PLENTY of males who can agree with me.

 

[Julie1983]

The truth is the Jewish laws are broken by us everyday. There are dozens of them all found in the same section as the no tattoo one. No clothing with mixed fibres, no touching a menstrating woman (not even sitting on a chair she has sat on), don't cut the hair on the sides of your head. There are so many and we are all guilty of breaking them. But that is the point, no one could keep the law, that is why Jesus had to come and die for our sin. We cant save ourselves. Justin's mother is friends with a lady at my church. He came from the Salvation Army church and learned music on their instruments. Having met Justin personally, she says that he is Christian right through. So is his mom. Richmond Hill is close to Stratford here in Ontairo. Justin actually stood up in front of all the celebrities at one of the awards shows and told them that Jesus loves them all. Now that took guts! God has placed him there to witness and he needs our support as his Christian family.

 

[rizen1]

WOW...that was a little tense, but I do understand where you're coming from.

Maybe I did cause the conversation to stray when I asked this question.

Do you find his appearance feminine ?

I'm not into Hollywood, so my words or observation comes from someone who do not tolerate any of their products or byproducts. It can be labelled Christian, holy, sanctified, anointed and it would not appeal to me. Hollywood appeals to the flesh, so I'll never be seen in the defense of Hollywood, more exposing Hollywood.

From the magazine covers I've seen the photoshop portrays what I stated above. Again as I said before I'm not into Hollywood so you may have seen photos I've never seen of him to develop your conclusion. When I compare his poses and picture of that of other males I see a difference, the symbolism and hidden undertones. Hollywood is magik it's based on fantasy and feeding people what they want while also telling them what to want. It's filled with puppet masters and illusionist. It's a culture more than entertainment. When we look at it as only entertainment we miss the story being told. I'm an artist, so I tend to see things through the lens of artist, whose art I'm looking at. There's more to photography than snapping a photo, there's emotions being captured, a story be told..etc. If the photos I saw was from his own personal pics taken by him for fun, I'd think nothing of it. The photo is for marketing purposes, so it's purpose is to drive sales meaning its not going to be "just a photo." There's a lot of planning that goes into a magazine cover, so body language, gestures, color theory and symbolism to name a few are important. They know who buys what, through their marketing research. At the end of the day it's all about keeping that audience entertained and satisfied.

Tons of males look feminine without make up
I posed the question wrong, and should be corrected to say

Do you find his portrayal in magazines to be feminine ?
This would've probably eliminated the miscommunication.

The reality is, is that you don't know what is in the hearts of anyone else but yourself.

Actual is not as complicated as many would put it, if you line up a person's lifestyle to how God says we must live it's pretty easy.

So why would it be harder for a Christian to work in Hollywood?

We hold a different perception of what Hollywood represents for this question to be posed. When you work in hollywood there's no off switch, you are that character or ego your managers groomed you to be 24/7. Hitting that off switch can result in drop sales and closing of fan websites. You are a product. A true believer would be faced with difficult decisions and placed in compromising positions. There's no room to think for yourself, you are to say what is given to you at that press conference, do as you are told for it's not only your money being messed with but those above you. If you say no, there's someone who will say yes and do everything they ask. Getting paid is based on what you're willing to do and how far you're willing to go. You signed the contract they own you. Their view on God and christianity is that of compromise not fighting the good fight and living holy.

Do you believe it all to be the work of Satan and evil?

If it's not of God, does not line up with the bible, does not bring glory to God, pulls people away from God, creates idols, celebrates sin, justifies sin, curses Jesus names, uses God's name in vain, romanticizes evil, promotes rebellion( For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, 1 Sam 15:23)promotes sex and promiscuous living it is not God or of his spirit.

I understand what you're saying and your point is valid, but the times we're living in not everyone who calls themselves christian can be taken seriously, and it's our job to question these things. We're going to have young christian girls idolizing him and using his " christian " label to justify their love for him. We are told to test all things. ( 1 Thessalonians 5:21 )

What does his appearance being feminine have anything to do with his tattoo or his personal beliefs?

It is related, we are not to take these characters seriously. If a person can be marketed as a christian hollywood have no problem using the" christian label ." It's nothing personal it's strictly business and we need to see hollywood for what it is, it's a business. Whether it be a tatoo or photoshop pics his persona is a reflection of his beliefs and his lifestyle.
As christians we ought to be concerned to what message we are sending. His fan based is broad but it's 14 and under (as young as 6 ). When he came to New York, it was sad to see little girls, boys and young women lined up outside macys with their chair ready to camp outside to see him.

Any person who have influence over our youths should be examine, righteously judged and tested. Bieber have no special privileges if he's in the public and wants to claim Jesus, he must practice what he preach.

I can never say " He is not a christians ," but I can use the bible to test all things.

KJV 1 John 2:15-17
15. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

KJV John 15:18-19
18. If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

KJV Colossians 2:20-22
20. Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21. (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22. Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Farout said...Leviticus 19:28 Look it up and ask yourself, what was the reason in the OT not to have marks on our body then? Why do we think it's alright now?

It's rooted in the occult and tribes used it for identification. Today it's fashion.

 

[Julie1983]

It is a hard job I think. He is told what to wear in those photo shoots. I really believe he loves Jesus with all his heart and is doing amazing under this tremendous pressure.

 

[rizen1]

The truth is the Jewish laws are broken by us everyday. There are dozens of them all found in the same section as the no tattoo one. No clothing with mixed fibres, no touching a menstrating woman (not even sitting on a chair she has sat on), don't cut the hair on the sides of your head. There are so many and we are all guilty of breaking them. But that is the point, no one could keep the law, that is why Jesus had to come and die for our sin. We cant save ourselves. Justin's mother is friends with a lady at my church. He came from the Salvation Army church and learned music on their instruments. Having met Justin personally, she says that he is Christian right through. So is his mom. Richmond Hill is close to Stratford here in Ontairo. Justin actually stood up in front of all the celebrities at one of the awards shows and told them that Jesus loves them all. Now that took guts! God has placed him there to witness and he needs our support as his Christian family.

Now I'll be looking out for his missionary work and to see the seeds that he's planting in hollywood.

 

[rizen1]

It is a hard job I think. He is told what to wear in those photo shoots. I really believe he loves Jesus with all his heart and is doing amazing under this tremendous pressure.

It is hard, we can see from other disney stars and their battles from being in the industry at a young age. When he gets older with God's grace we can come back to this thread and say " He fought a good fight and really drew people to Jesus." There's so many distractions and evil people he'll have to be on stage with. It will be hard and I hope his family, people close remember what is truly important and give him biblical counsel.

 

[will]

Now I'll be looking out for his missionary work and to see the seeds that he's planting in hollywood.

Agree with this.
I'm a dad, my little daughter of course like him and his music.

One thing is for sure, if he indeed take Christ seriously, he will grow spiritually into a man of God who will bear the fruits of the Spirit.

It's too early to think about this more than just popular news.

 

[Julie1983]

Here is an excerpt from an article on Christian Post about Bieber

'After nabbing the choice music male artist award – in the form of a surfboard – Bieber thanked his screaming fans and brought his faith into the mix by saying: "I want to say that anything is possible. ... You got to keep God first and always remember to keep family first. Jesus loves every one of you!"The teen pop sensation has made similar comments before.
He told Entertainment Tonight earlier this year that "if you put God first and remember to always stay humble and always be gracious then anything can happen."
With millions of fans, sold out tours, a double platinum album and Grammy nominations – all within three years – Bieber has been asked many times how he stays grounded.
His answer has always been God.


"I think that God is the only thing keeping me sane right now," he said in a backstage interview at the American Music Awards last year.
The self-identified Christian, who has a new tattoo of Jesus’ name in Hebrew under his arm, has told media outlets, including The Associated Press, that he believes Jesus died on the cross for his sins and that he has a relationship with Jesus.
"He's the reason I'm here so I definitely have to remember that," he told AP. "As soon as I start forgetting, I got to click back and be like, you know, this is why I'm here."
Bieber's mother, Patricia Lynn Mallette, is a devout Christian. Initially, she was hesitant to have her son enter the secular music industry and pondered the Christian music industry instead. But she has said that she prayed about it and realized that God wanted her son to be a light in the world.

 

[JosephJay]

"light in the world"...

he's definitely a light in the eyes of his fans but I don't know about reflecting the persona of Jesus in how he acts and what he says. Everybody can talk good things about Jesus, praise Him publicly but when their deeds doesn't back up their words, I'd rather not hear them say anything about Jesus. Just my opinion.

 

[David777]

Shocked but not sure why?

Who is Justin Bieber?

Do I need to know? Perhaps not.

Tattoo's have become a fashion statement in Australia.

Both males and females wear tattoos over here.

It is fast becoming the norm to have a tattoo.

I have no problem with a Christian having a tattoo.

Although, I would not have one myself.

I am not a legalist especially concerning others,
still struggling with the log in my own eye.

 

[Julie1983]

Who is Justin Bieber?

Do I need to know? Perhaps not.

Tattoo's have become a fashion statement in Australia.

Both males and females wear tattoos over here.

It is fast becoming the norm to have a tattoo.

I have no problem with a Christian having a tattoo.

Although, I would not have one myself.

'I am not a legalist especially concerning others,
still struggling with the log in my own eye.'

- LOVE this quote, can I use it?

 

[David777]

Dear Julie1983.

Of course you can Julie.

 

[rizen1]

"light in the world"...

he's definitely a light in the eyes of his fans but I don't know about reflecting the persona of Jesus in how he acts and what he says. Everybody can talk good things about Jesus, praise Him publicly but when their deeds doesn't back up their words, I'd rather not hear them say anything about Jesus. Just my opinion.

I agree.

Christian parents should get that music out of the ears of their little girls. Until Christians understand the purpose of Hollywood they should stop investing into it. When you buy a cd, you support it, when you buy their clothing you're supporting it and when you idolize their products you are worshiping Hellywood.
every generation had a boy teen idol, they sing love songs and make our girls boy crazy. Him being Christian does not justify you wanting to be entertain by him. So you think you know him but do you know who his producers are? Writers? Directors? Their goals their alliance , who they worship ? We don't and that's why Christians should not listen to his music. He is not in control of his career. My generation was backstreet boys, hansons, innocent songs of love but a seducing spirit behind it. Making little girls thirsty for companionship and eager to form relationships with other boys. Music have power, entertainment have power, Hollywood have power and the founder of the church of Satan and satanic bible knew this anton lavey. He was no stranger to Hollywood and many adapted his lifestyle and free spirit. The residue stains can be seen in todays music videos and movies. Mind control, desensitizing us and making evil good. Manipulation at its best. Now tattoos are fashion, having a boyfriend at 10 is healthy. When will the church set a standard and stop trying to fit into the world.

When Hollywood starts prosecuting him for talking about obeying Jesus Then we know they are threatened by his message. I won't last one day in hellywood because they don't want to hear the bible, as for motivating speeches they love that. No one is offended by hearing put god first or Jesus loves you. If the message is worded into a command that you must follow Jesus, you must obey God, the bible is the only spiritual authority, they will shut you down. Call you hateful , homophobic, close minded, brain wash, not enlightened ,insensitive and disrespectful to others beliefs. The fact that the secular media had no problem quoting his "spiritually enlightened speech," shows no fear, but a catchy headline to promote and up keep his innocent idol image.

Tattoos origin have always been spiritual and will remain that. Something being popular does not make it acceptable unto God. Do some research into native societies, find out their purpose for the tattoos or scaring, if it was done by the whole tribe or selected group.

Some see their bodies as their own others see their bodies as the temple of God. God gave us free will and Justin exercised that free will, he's not here to speak for himself. So the topic at hand is if tattooing is acceptable for us as Christian. His walk is between God and hollywood.


Tattoos are a matter or free will, the bible already told us what it is and now it becomes our personal choice. Again something being popular does not make it acceptable unto God. Pedophilia is popular should we say it's ok and give NAMBLA the rights they've been fighting for and offer up our kids to them ? Majority does not validate or justify anything it only confirms when the bible says many shall be deceived.

Wanting to be part of the many is a choice and should not be mistaking as acceptable in Gods eyes.

What does the bible say.
Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

Anything added to this will be your choice.

 

[Fraction]

I agree.

Christian parents should get that music out of the ears of their little girls. Until Christians understand the purpose of Hollywood they should stop investing into it. When you buy a cd, you support it, when you buy their clothing you're supporting it and when you idolize their products you are worshiping Hellywood.
every generation had a boy teen idol, they sing love songs and make our girls boy crazy. Him being Christian does not justify you wanting to be entertain by him. So you think you know him but do you know who his producers are? Writers? Directors? Their goals their alliance , who they worship ? We don't and that's why Christians should not listen to his music. He is not in control of his career. My generation was backstreet boys, hansons, innocent songs of love but a seducing spirit behind it. Making little girls thirsty for companionship and eager to form relationships with other boys. Music have power, entertainment have power, Hollywood have power and the founder of the church of Satan and satanic bible knew these anton lavey. He was no stranger to Hollywood and many adapted his lifestyle and free spirit. The residue stains can be seen in todays music videos and movies. Mind control, desensitizing us and making evil good. Manipulation at its best. Now tattoos are fashion, having a boyfriend at 10 is healthy. When will the church set a standard and stop trying to fit into the world.

When Hollywood starts prosecuting him for talking about obeying Jesus Then we know they are threatened by his message. I won't last one day in hellywood because they don't want to hear the bible, as for motivating speeches they love that. No one is offended by hearing put god first or Jesus loves you. If the message is worded into a command that you must follow Jesus, you must obey God, the bible is the only spiritual authority, they will shut you down. Call you hateful , homophobic, close minded, brain wash, not enlightened ,insensitive and disrespectful to others beliefs. The fact that the secular media had no problem quoting his "spiritually enlightened speech," shows no fear, but a catchy headline to promote and up keep his innocent idol image.

Tattoos origin have always been spiritual and will remain that. Something being popular does not make it acceptable unto God. Do some research into native societies, find out their purpose for the tattoos or scaring, if it was done by the whole tribe or selected group.

Some see their bodies as their own others see their bodies as the temple of God. God gave us free will and Justin exercised that free will, he's not here to speak for himself. So the topic at hand is if tattooing is acceptable for us as Christian. His walk is between God and hollywood.


Tattoos are a matter or free will, the bible already told us what it is and now it becomes our personal choice. Again something being popular does not make it acceptable unto God. Pedophilia is popular should we say it's ok and give NAMBLA the rights they've been fighting for and offer up our kids to them ? Majority does not validate or justify anything it only confirms when the bible says many shall be deceived.

Wanting to be part of the many is a choice and should not be mistaking as acceptable in Gods eyes.

What does the bible say.
Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

Anything added to this will be your choice.

Most of what you posted has no proof, and you have no personal knowledge of it either. You do not know anyone on earth well enough to call them a Christian or a Non-Christian, it's not your job. You can make your assumptions based off their works, which is the only power of works, but you can never say what is truly in their heart. We have no authority to judge others. The only difference between you and everyone in your false claims are that you are a believer, that is all. We are all the exact same, some of us just have faith in Jesus Christ.

There are dedicated Christians in Hollywood that love God and talk about it in public constantly. We can't forget about Christian actors in Christian based movies and Christian music artists. I actually have gotten inspired by a mainstream Christian rock band. It is very possible to succeed in Hollywood as a Christian. I have only seen people call Christians homophobic, closed minded, etc etc when they actually are. Westboro Baptist Church is a VERY good example of all the things you have mentioned. They do nothing but attempt to spread hate. Jesus wouldn't hold up a sign that says "My Father hates gays". Just because we are believers gives us no right to challenge anyone for their actions or beliefs. Jesus himself knew that was the WRONG way to be and it does NOT work.

The very first tattoos of history were more than likely spiritual, but that doesn't carry over today. What part of getting a tattoo of a smiley face have anything to do with spiritual worship? Song lyrics? A picture of a loved one or child? The verse you posted Leviticus 19:28, can also be read and viewed in different ways. We know your view, and it is correct to you, but is it correct to every believer? I doubt it very seriously. They will not remain spiritual, because that has faded a very long time ago. People no longer strictly use tattoos for religious purposes. Tattoos and piercings are a form of self expression in these days, not completely of worship in beliefs.

I probably won't respond much after this, maybe though. I understand that you stand strong in your belief system, and dare not try to sway you in any other way. I have only come to prove that your opinions and views are your opinions and views and not a fact. People should discover the truth for themselves, and not follow other people blindly into opinions. All I am saying in the end.

 

[rizen1]

Most of what you posted has no proof, and you have no personal knowledge of it either. You do not know anyone on earth well enough to call them a Christian or a Non-Christian, it's not your job. You can make your assumptions based off their works, which is the only power of works, but you can never say what is truly in their heart. We have no authority to judge others. The only difference between you and everyone in your false claims are that you are a believer, that is all. We are all the exact same, some of us just have faith in Jesus Christ.

There are dedicated Christians in Hollywood that love God and talk about it in public constantly. We can't forget about Christian actors in Christian based movies and Christian music artists. I actually have gotten inspired by a mainstream Christian rock band. It is very possible to succeed in Hollywood as a Christian. I have only seen people call Christians homophobic, closed minded, etc etc when they actually are. Westboro Baptist Church is a VERY good example of all the things you have mentioned. They do nothing but attempt to spread hate. Jesus wouldn't hold up a sign that says "My Father hates gays". Just because we are believers gives us no right to challenge anyone for their actions or beliefs. Jesus himself knew that was the WRONG way to be and it does NOT work.

The very first tattoos of history were more than likely spiritual, but that doesn't carry over today. What part of getting a tattoo of a smiley face have anything to do with spiritual worship? Song lyrics? A picture of a loved one or child? The verse you posted Leviticus 19:28, can also be read and viewed in different ways. We know your view, and it is correct to you, but is it correct to every believer? I doubt it very seriously. They will not remain spiritual, because that has faded a very long time ago. People no longer strictly use tattoos for religious purposes. Tattoos and piercings are a form of self expression in these days, not completely of worship in beliefs.

I probably won't respond much after this, maybe though. I understand that you stand strong in your belief system, and dare not try to sway you in any other way. I have only come to prove that your opinions and views are your opinions and views and not a fact. People should discover the truth for themselves, and not follow other people blindly into opinions. All I am saying in the end.

You need to re-read everything I wrote..and quote me saying this one or that one is not a christian. Then I'll be able to understand what you're saying because I don't. You keeping saying my beliefs when this has nothing to do with me, I quoted the bible. You have not posted anything from the bible to say that it's correct or that God's people can do it. What belief system ? God's words ? then yes I stand strong on what God words says to us.

What opinions and views, you should quote so I can properly respond to you.

People should discover the truth for themselves, and not follow other people blindly into opinions. All I am saying in the end

Where in any of my post I said " This is my opinion"

I'm not sure why you're defending someone/people you do not know personally. I never said he/she is not a christian. You keep repeating I don't know this one or that ones heart. Do you ? That same question can be posed on you. How do you know they are christians ? Because they said it we must accept it and believe.
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9,10

I don't want to deceive anyone so it's better to make people question if they are christian or not, than send the message we must accept their words as truth. "If they say they are christians so be it," this attitude is wrong, we must test ALL things, not just the ugly stinky things but the beautiful and innocent things.

They have influence over our kids and I must sit back and not examine it, question it, test it or judge it ? If I'm doing it for self gain then same on me, but it's not about me. My eyes are open it's the same tricks every generation is exposed to the same tricks. Why should our kids have teen IDOLS ?

1 Samuel 16:7
English Standard Version (ESV)
7 But the LORD said to Samuel, (A)“Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, (B)but the LORD looks on the heart.”
Rizen that verse does not apply...well at the end is does say God looks at the heart.

We've creating this new atmosphere that if we question a persons belief or judge them we're out of place...well when I look at society and this disgusting generation I see a whole lot of people who needed someone to tell them they are wrong or question them. How can you be your brother's keeper if you don't look out for your brother, don't show them the traps of the enemy and most importantly judge your brother. We're not suppose to judge and the person have the right to do as thou wilt ? Is that part of being a christian turning a blind eye to not come across judgmental. Every time someone wants to point out an error the crowd yells " you can judge "..

So how do you examine right from wrong without judging the situation and the person ?


Where did I say he is not a christian. You've taken this whole topic very personal and I don't understand. No one is talking to you or about you. The topic is about tattoos, if you have a tattoo or think it's ok thats your choice and you exercising your free will. Until you post scripture that says it's ok to do so then you have proven me wrong.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Romans 8:5

Do you know anything about Anton lavey ? Have you done research to the origins of tattoos ?

If I go to africa and witness them evoking their ancestors and the beating of the drums are awesome...should I record it and ask the youths at my church to drum those same beats ?

Can I take tools used in satanic worship bless it and repackage it, give it a new meaning and call it christian ?

Is there any standards for christians at all. Any ?

It's as if we are meant to follow Aleister Crowley who left us " the book of law," that reads and is quoted ..Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, it's a stolen quote on his part but is the lesson he taught. The very same man who said "I am alone. There is no God where I am."

Is that the standard of Christianity today, do as thou wilt. The proof is all around us but only those who want to see and want to be obedient to God will hear and see. Nothing I said is an opinion. I live in New York city doesn't take much to rub shoulders with hollywood. See their fruits and their motive.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing;..." II Cor. 6:17

Why were they told to do this ?
And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. Deuteronomy 12:3

At least post some scripture proven me wrong, that way everything I say will be an opinion.

The verse you posted Leviticus 19:28, can also be read and viewed in different ways

Please share those different ways. I didn't manipulate the scripture it says what it says. I'm not making up my own view or belief I took the scripture as is, so my belief is not mine..it's a biblical point of view.

I don't understand why you're taking this so personal, but if my words offend you please go from the beginning and show me my error using scripture. If you have to quote me line by line please do so. It's easier for me to respond when scripture is provided, then I can distinguish a biblical discussion from an emotional/personal discussion.

Let me know my error.