I do not quote you in pointing out specific names or people, but an entire group of workers and people involved in the same field of work. You have claimed that ALL Hollywood isn't Christian. You said it yourself earlier "The only Christian in Hollywood is Christian Slater". You didn't quote the bible on this issue, because no where in the bible does it say "There is only one Christian in Hollywood and that is only by first name and not personal belief in Jesus Christ". Most of what you have posted so far has a lot to do with how you view things and scripture itself.
I can't point them out one by one, because they are all grouped together as a whole. It is all opinions and views. This fact doesn't even exclude me as well.
Nowhere, and it doesn't need to be stated directly by you. It is obvious to all those willing to do research and discover for themselves, instead of following personal belief and views of another person.
I am not defending any certain person but a group of people and humanity as a whole. You didn't name any specific names or people, but you targeted an entire group. This has been explained above. You yourself even made the claim that Christians aren't in Hollywood at all. I keep repeating it, because you claim that you can see whether or not someone is truly a Christian or not. I do not know either, and that is EXACTLY my point. I do not know that they are truly Christians or not and neither do you, only they themselves would know and God. It is between them and God. The scripture you posted just now support my original claim, and even you seem to support it now.
We shouldn't accept anyone's words as truth, because anyone can easily lie. Anyone can easily misunderstand. Anyone can make a mistake. We should still accept the possibility that what they say is true though. We never REALLY know, so it would be illogical to assume something that we can't see perfectly as an ironclad fact.
They have influence because parents have taught their children incorrectly. You should examine, question, judge, and filter things in life, but human beings that you do not know? If harsh judging continues Christianity will continue to slow down in spreading across the world. Reaching out to people with loving acceptance is what Jesus Christ did, even to the vile, that made the difference. It was not judging an entire group and never speaking to them that worked. No one should have any idols, and I separate these types of idols from biblical scripture. We should develop ourselves as individuals, and not base our personality growth on someone who sings a song on MTV in a music video. We control everything that we take from everything that we come in contact with. We should teach our children to be individuals, and teach them that just because we see something doesn't mean that we have to be like it. Then and only then, will the power of all the things in Movies, Music, and TV hold no power over us. This is a part of free will.
The scripture you posted here even supports the views spoke of earlier, about us not being able to see hearts. You're getting a little closer to understanding a little. I have never once said that we cannot judge the actions of others, only the fact that we cannot and should not try to judge the whole entire person. We don't know if there just aren't a Christian, or if they are a Christian making mistakes or stumbling. They could need our help, not our judgements. We should save those important decisions for God.
You targeted an entire group of people which include him. I could actually careless about Justin and his tattoo. I am a part of humanity, and to attack a group of people you do not know personally is to me an attack on more than just that group. The topic IS about tattoos, do not forget that you drifted off topic entirely and I came in defense of those you do not know. There is not scripture that says it is okay, and the scripture you have posted is read differently by a lot of Christians. Some will see it as a specific scripture towards ALL markings and tattoos. Some will see it as tattoos that worship the dead. I can't prove you wrong, but you cannot prove me wrong either. There are many different understandings of scripture in the bible.
The origins of tattoos don't mean anything. I don't care about origins, because that stuff was thousands of years ago and no longer is the purpose. Tattoo's aren't only used to praise a higher power. Like I said before, they can and are used for self expression. The origin is irrelevant.
What would you and the youths be using the drums for? Would you be trying to evoke your ancestors? If not, then they are just beats that have no power. No one would hear what you brought home, then run home, repeat it, and randomly try to evoke their ancestors. That would be silly.
"Satan Worship" I think you have answered your own question here. Satan is the opposing force in Christianity. It is the primary enemy of us and God. So to try to take a tool or a way of worship from it and turn it into a way to worship God is illogical. They are direct opposites. However, what if we took a technique of praying from another faith and applied it to God. Take meditating like they practice mainly in Buddhism. We aren't talking about the "thinking" meditation, but the "finding inner peace" meditation. Would it be so bad to find a relaxed inner peace state with your mind completely cleared to talk to God?
Belief in Jesus Christ as savior.
Everything you said is opinion so far. Do you even try to understand why, or do you hold fast in blindness? Do you not notice how millions of Christians read the bible differently? Understand scripture differently? Have different core beliefs not induced by religion, but by what they have actually read in the same book you're reading? Just because someone doesn't see the exact same way that you do doesn't mean they are wrong.
What scripture should I post to prove your opinions wrong? You have posted scriptures that proved that humans can't see into the hearts of others. The bible doesn't talk about Hollywood not having a single Christian in it, because Hollywood isn't biblical. You already posted the scripture about tattoos, which I explained twice everyone interprets scripture differently than everyone else. That is clearly seen everyday, and definitely on this forum. So what scriptures would you like to see in which subjects? Most of this comes down to personal views and interpretations.
You didn't bend or twist it at all, and you understand it in your way. I explained earlier of the two different ways. You are not making up anything, you have read this verse and interpreted it, doing so formed a belief. If your belief in scripture is not yours, then whose is it? That makes no sense.
I don't take it personal, I am comparing my belief system with yours. Stating my opinion against yours, not saying that you are 100% wrong. Your words do not offend me, I just find that a lot of them don't match what I believe. You know what? That's okay, and it's actually perfectly healthy. It may be hard for you to understand, for that I do not know why, but I do not come to assault you. I believe that you should stand strong in what you believe, even if others do not agree.
No error, except for when you claimed there were no Christians in Hollywood. That's the only thing I found to be offensive. Somehow from there we got on several other topics. As a matter of fact, this conversation has been WAY off topic from the get-go. I do not expect you to not respond to my post, it would be unfair. However, when you do respond I will not be responding for the sake of the thread. I am not ignoring you of dodging you, but being respectful to the thread is all. rizen1, even through all of our differences we are still in this together. Maybe next time our opinions clash, I will be able to show a bit more control than I have in this topic. Apologies for any offense I may have caused.
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