LISTEN TO WHAT THE SPIRIT SAYS TO THE CHURCHES, To you have the Name of being alive but are actually dead, WAKE UP!

[Bill]

@Bill -- we're talking about Deity being here to become our Savior.

Obviously that's Your opinion, but it's not based on Scripture.

Jesus Did have earthly half-brothers and a half-sister. But even His half-brother , James did not believe in Him at first. Joseph was Jesus's earthly Father -- no human followers had any relationship with Joseph just because Joseph was His earthly Father.

No one becomes a brother or sister of Jesus Christ through their salvation. We Do become a daughter / son of God Through Jesus Christ by accepting Him / Jesus Christ/ as our personal Savior.

It would be impossible for Joseph to have children with Mary after Jesus birth. For the verry reason Joseph thought about divorcing Mary to begin with. As Joseph was an upright man , he knew by having children with Mary would be adaultrury. Joseph would take Mary to be his own, but would never have children by her. Sue you do not understand the seriousness of this between Joseph and Mary. Joseph had to remain chaste the whole time he was with Mary to be accaptible to God.

 

[PloughBoy]

Bill , just curious, how did you come with all of that? I mean with all of it, Just curious, don’t grow any horns.

 

[Sue D.]

It would be impossible for Joseph to have children with Mary after Jesus birth. For the verry reason Joseph thought about divorcing Mary to begin with. As Joseph was an upright man , he knew by having children with Mary would be adaultrury. Joseph would take Mary to be his own, but would never have children by her. Sue you do not understand the seriousness of this between Joseph and Mary. Joseph had to remain chaste the whole time he was with Mary to be accaptible to God.

Where did you get that from? Scripture says that an angel came to Joseph and assured him that Mary's pregnancy was from the Holy Spirit and it was okay to stay with her. That Joseph waited until after Jesus was born to actually have sex with Mary. And they did have James and others and a daughter according to Scripture. That's found in Matthew 1 and 2. vs 25 of chapter 1 "and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.

Joseph and Mary were married -- there would be no adultery. Look at Matthew 13:54 - 56. "Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us?" In other words, yes, and, yes and they named His half brothers and sisters. Because the Holy Spirit 'fathered' Jesus -- but Mary and Joseph were His legal, Jewish parents and they did continue to have children Together.

The RCC tradition says other-wise but it's not based on Bible.

 

[Bill]

Bill , just curious, how did you come with all of that? I mean with all of it, Just curious, don’t grow any horns.

If you don't understand what I just said then you don't understand about the laws of Moses correctly. A sign that two have become one with God is the birth of a child . Mary had to become one with God joined together, Mary who gives birth to Jesus that means she has become one and God based on the laws of Moses and the present-day laws when you are married you and your wife become married you become one.

Just because we do not understand how Mary can become one with God to bring about Jesus doesn't mean it didn't happen because it does follow in the tradition of the laws of Moses and it continues in the tradition of marriage of today.

When Joseph was going to divorce Mary it was because he understood the laws of Moses and there's a scripture states he was an upright man Joseph was not one to break the laws of God.

When the angel approached Joseph about taking Mary as his bride following the laws of Moses he could not ever confirm the marriage by having a child with Mary by doing that she would have been an adulterer.

Joseph wanted to remain faithful in the eyes of God and in so doing that would mean that he would have to be chased for the continuation of being with Mary recognizing that Mary had become one with God.

 

[Bill]

Where did you get that from? Scripture says that an angel came to Joseph and assured him that Mary's pregnancy was from the Holy Spirit and it was okay to stay with her. That Joseph waited until after Jesus was born to actually have sex with Mary. And they did have James and others and a daughter according to Scripture. That's found in Matthew 1 and 2. vs 25 of chapter 1 "and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.

Joseph and Mary were married -- there would be no adultery. Look at Matthew 13:54 - 56. "Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us?" In other words, yes, and, yes and they named His half brothers and sisters. Because the Holy Spirit 'fathered' Jesus -- but Mary and Joseph were His legal, Jewish parents and they did continue to have children Together.

The RCC tradition says other-wise but it's not based on Bible.

Sue you do not understand the laws of Moses it's plain and simple just under it have have to go talk to a Jewish rabbi to have that explain to you

 

[Sue D.]

Bill -- I'm going by what God's Word says in the Gospels in the New Testament.

The angel of the Lord told Joseph that it was okay to take Mary as his wife because the pregnancy was of the Holy Spirit.

God is Spirit and does not marry anyone.

Please let's listen to the New Testament and what the Gospels have to say.

 

[Bill]

Bill -- I'm going by what God's Word says in the Gospels in the New Testament.

The angel of the Lord told Joseph that it was okay to take Mary as his wife because the pregnancy was of the Holy Spirit.

God is Spirit and does not marry anyone.

Please let's listen to the New Testament and what the Gospels have to say.

Spirit is a term that we used to describe God because it's the only only way that we understand how to describe God but it is not what God is because God created Spirit our souls you know our spirit God created that as far as the term of the Holy Spirit again it's the only way that we can describe it because we don't understand exactly what the holy spirit is. And even with my best understanding of what this holy spirit is which is the love of the father to the Son and the Son and the love of the son back to the father is my understanding of what the holy spirit is how do you describe that you know how do you describe that as a as an entity unto itself . So for anyone to say that God is just Spirit Well God is the one that created spirit God is something else entirely but we just don't understand what God is other than just being God but I guarantee you that God and Mary became one and that's how the word became flesh and dwelt Among Us.

Doesn't the scriptures say what God has joined let no man divide so God has joined with Mary to become one with Mary and we got Jesus so how are we supposed to divide that even Joseph knew better than to do that I mean he understood it completely based on the laws of Moses he could not have children with Mary because Mary was already one with God.

Now if you're going to sit there and tell me Well if she's one with God is she not God and I would say no just like when we receive Christ into our hearts we are not Gods either but God is with us

 

[Sue D.]

Sounds like you're into the Gnostic Gospels or something.

Listen to what God's Word says, Please.

When a man and a woman come together in Godly marriage -- God created marriage. Then God puts the man and woman together and they become one flesh physically , yes.

Jesus Christ was here on earth as God incarnate -- God in the flesh.

God the Father did Not become 'one' with Mary. It was the Holy Spirit.

God does Not marry Anyone , Himself.

The New Testament does Not deal with the laws of Moses. This is the age of Grace.

And the laws of Moses would have had nothing to do with it either.

 

[Bill]

Sounds like you're into the Gnostic Gospels or something.

Listen to what God's Word says, Please.

When a man and a woman come together in Godl t5y marriage -- God created marriage. Then God puts the man and woman together and they become one flesh physically , yes.

Jesus Christ was here on earth as God incarnate -- God in the flesh.

God the Father did Not become 'one' with Mary. It was the Holy Spirit.

God does Not marry Anyone , Himself.

The New Testament does Not deal with the laws of Moses. This is the age of Grace.

And the laws of Moses would have had nothing to do with it either.

So let me get this right what you're saying is that the holy spirit is not God.

What then is the holy spirit I kind of thought that the Holy Spirit and Jesus and God were one Trinity and Jesus didn't just appear just because he was born from Mary Jesus was already God because he's the word of God at least that's what the scripture says I could be totally wrong though but so when we look at God as you all one God you know our God is one remember that little phrase that Jesus said so you have God the Father God the son God the holy spirit all one God so what part of you know if the Holy Spirit isn't God to you what is the Holy Spirit

 

[Bill]

Sounds like you're into the Gnostic Gospels or something.

Listen to what God's Word says, Please.

When a man and a woman come together in Godly marriage -- God created marriage. Then God puts the man and woman together and they become one flesh physically , yes.

Jesus Christ was here on earth as God incarnate -- God in the flesh.

God the Father did Not become 'one' with Mary. It was the Holy Spirit.

God does Not marry Anyone , Himself.

The New Testament does Not deal with the laws of Moses. This is the age of Grace.

And the laws of Moses would have had nothing to do with it either.

So let me get this right what you're saying is that the holy spirit is not God.

What time is the holy spirit I kind of thought that the Holy Spirit and Jesus and God were one Trinity and Jesus didn't just appear just because he was born from Mary Jesus was already God because he's the word of God at least that's what the scripture says I could be totally wrong though but so when we look at God as you all one God you know our God is one remember that little phrase that Jesus said so you have God the Father God the son God the holy spirit all one got so what part of you know if the Holy Spirit isn't God to you what is the Holy Spirit

 

[Bill]

computers . Big fingers and small keyboards

 

[PloughBoy]

Ok I understand now, how you came to your conclusion.

 

[Sue D.]

So let me get this right what you're saying is that the holy spirit is not God.

What time is the holy spirit I kind of thought that the Holy Spirit and Jesus and God were one Trinity and Jesus didn't just appear just because he was born from Mary Jesus was already God because he's the word of God at least that's what the scripture says I could be totally wrong though but so when we look at God as you all one God you know our God is one remember that little phrase that Jesus said so you have God the Father God the son God the holy spirit all one got so what part of you know if the Holy Spirit isn't God to you what is the Holy Spirit

The trinity does equal God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit. They work together in unity and with different functions.

It would help a lot if you used punctuation. And capital letters to begin sentences. What you Do have is one huge run-on sentence and it's very difficult to figure out exactly what you're saying.

 

[Bill]

The trinity does equal God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit. They work together in unity and with different functions.

It would help a lot if you used punctuation. And capital letters to begin sentences. What you Do have is one huge run-on sentence and it's very difficult to figure out exactly what you're saying.

Well i was driving and using voice to text .

 

[only son]

We find that this teaching and ideology is not based upon what the Bible narrative tells us.

the Bible says, concerning Mary - that Her virginity was not what she was planning -

Mary was planning sex, planning a marriage, planning to have sex and planning to marry a man.

How can one hold to a tradition where Catholics and Muslims only focus in on - tiny phrases and partial sentences and selected words to attempt to change, ignore the true message and meanings, in order to re- write and over - ride and downplay the rest of the actual message storyline throughout the entire Bible.

Mary was planning, plotting wanting sex and Joseph was planning marriage and sex too. And Joseph was instructed to not be afraid to get married and

in other words, Joseph was planning on putting away his fiance and putting off the marriage - Joseph was worried and hurt because in his mind - mary had already had sex with someone and in the mind of Joseph, Mary had cheated and had sex behind his back, Mary had cheated on him and committed adultery and fornicated and now was suddenly pregnant.


Joseph was hurt, worried and even in fear and anxiety - His new wife was adulterous and had committed adultery against him and against God.


But the Angel of God knew exactly what Joseph was feeling and planning and the Angel told him DO NOT FEAR getting married and having SEXUAL RELATIONS because there was no sexual act between Mary and another man beside him, the child conceived in His new { to be } wife was from the Holy Spirit.

The Bible explains that Joseph did not know Mary sexually UNTIL after - that Mary had borne Her firstborn son.

How is it that Roman Catholics completely ignore so many facts in the Bible?

The Bible makes it clear - Joseph and Mary were plotting, planning and preparing to get married and Joseph was fearful /afraid to take Mary as a wife because she was already pregnant.

Joseph and Mary were not planning to abstain from sex . Mary was not GUARDING HER VIRGINITY.

are we supposed to believe that Joseph was marrying " Mary " SIMPLY FOR THE CHANCE TO HAVE SEX WITH HER. In other words having sex and being intimate - was not what Mary had purposed in her mind for her purpose in getting married.

IT WAS JOSEPH ALONE - who was planning to have sexual relations in the upcoming marriage. ? and he was going to marry a woman who was really secretly planning to GUARD AND PRESERVE her virginity and abstain from sex for her lifetime ?

They both were worried about their sexual relationship and marriage and sexual future because Mary's sexuality and pregnancy was a very important matter in the relationship because Joseph thought she was already pregnant with someone else’s baby and had lied about the sexual activity.

Joseph was upset and afraid, - He was planning on putting her away and terminating the marriage. - THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT of the message of The Angel telling Joseph DO NOT FEAR getting married and TAKING MARY - as a wife. FOR SEXUAL RELATIONS.


Why have the Roman Catholic and Islamic Mosques - simply added these false things and untruths directly upon the Biblical narrative and have they completely changed the focal and central message of God’s word - as they focus in one a tiny fraction of the story and ELEVATE and EXAGGERATE and MAGNIFY only a tiny portion or phrase, while they totally ignore the real reason that Mary was Chosen. The Angel never mentioned Mary's virginity as important, to her being chosen........... Mary was planning sex.

And the Angel Commanded Joseph to " not be afraid - to go ahead with the Marriage plan " Take Mary in sex as a wife. DONT BE AFRAID.

Why not tell the real - full story of the Bible as the Angel and Holy spirit told it ?

Can You understand why Non Catholics and Non-Muslims wonder why that - everything that Catholics and Muslims believe - must be lifted, out of context, and exaggerated and twisted manipulated selected portions out of the Bible as a totally radically and the altered storyline is added - that is all tradition, imagination " made up, after the fact - stories " - ( NEW PROPHECY AND NEW REVELATIONS ) while they totally ignore and dismiss and literally - deny - or downplay - the original meaning and content and the entire rest of the Bible message ?



Does the real story have no part of the Catholislamic faith. The Quran also says that Mary was Guarding Her Virginity - BUT WE FIND that Mary was not concerned with guarding anything concerning virginity. Nor was the Angel concerned about Joseph having sexual intimacy with his wife. The Angel told Joseph to not be afraid about the pregnancy - and to take mary as his wife. LITERALLY - CONCERNING SEX AND BEING PREGNANT AND THE FUTURE OF SEXUAL MATTERS.
Please help me to understand the Catholislamic perspective..

 

[B-A-C]

The Bible also says that Jesus had biological half brothers and sisters.
At least two of them were disciples.
At least one of them was a female.

 

[only son]

Regarding the Doctrine Of The Trinity

Are not - God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son, and the Holy Spirit - ONE " a primary numeral 1. " in the Bible, ? ?

and are not all of the functions - all of the roles and all of the titles - and all fulness of the Deity of the Spirit Of God - " The Creating Father - a spirit "

Dwelling in Yahashua, The Anointing, fully - conceived by the Holy Spirit.

If the function of God The Father is to manifest and morph himself into human flesh by conceiving himself in the womb of a human female - would not this be the same exact function of his Son. ?

Can you please explain how the function of Gods Spirit is different from the function of Yahashua - especially when the Anointing Spirit of Yahashua - the Son - is interceding for the saints - as the Holy Spirit of the Father is the functioning intercessor ?

what are these differences in functionality - and where in the Bible is ONE singular God altered to simply a unity of three separate persons - ?

where in the Bible God exist as three Co - Equals - and three Co - Eternal distinct persons. / or three distinct separated eternal personalities.