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- In Chapter 20, we are told about the difference between Jonathan and his father Saul!

- Jonathan knows God is with David!

- He knows he will become king!

- His friendship with David is more important than becoming a king!

- Jonathan keeps assuring David that he will do everything to protect him and to warn him whenever possible!

- They make a covenant between each other so that David will about Jonathan’s household if he dies because of his loyal love to David!

- Finally Jonathan tells David to flee because Saul wants to kill him!

- Here we have a good example of a father who acts badly and a son who does the contrary!

- That’s what we call free will!
 
- In chapter 21, David asks the help of a priest, Ahimelec!

- At first, Ahimelec is afraid!

- David invents a story and he asks for some bread!

- He gets holy bread reserved to the priests!

- He also gets a sword, the sword of Goliath!

- And he keeps going away from Saul!

- A servant of Saul is there!
 
  • At the end of chapter 21, David goes to the Philistines to King Aʹchish of Gath!

  • And to be accepted among them he acts insane!

  • Thus gradually David learns how to survive by playing tricks!

  • We can imagine how useful it will be when he becomes king!

  • But power corrupts!

  • And you start to forget your youth!

  • And you start to think you can do whatever you want!

  • And you start to forget Yah·weh!
 
  • In Chapter 22, we see David who keeps following Yah.weh!
  • He goes where he is told to go by Yah.weh’s prophet!
  • On the contrary, Saul does according to his own will!
  • He keeps going away from Yah.weh!
  • When he is told about Ahimelec, he wants him and all the priests of his father’s house to be brought to him!
  • And he accused him of conspiracy!
  • He doesn’t care about what Ahimelec says!
  • And Saul tells his guards to kill Ahimelec and all the priests of Yah.weh!
  • He opposes Yah.weh, he fights Yah.weh!
  • And he thinks he won’t have a very bad end!
  • This attitude is so usual!
  • And then people are surprised when they have a very bad end!
  • How blind!
  • But so was Israel!
  • And Judah !
  • And mankind!
  • And as if it was not enough, he strikes Nob the city of the priests and destroys everything!
  • Men, women, children, infants and animals!
  • But he will pay for that and his sons too!
  • Yah.weh’s justice!
  • And Yah.weh’s day won’t be different!
  • Yah.weh’s justice!
  • It won’t be any surprise even if for the majority it will be a surprise!
  • But it is written everywhere in the Bible!
  • Always the same warning!
  • And they don’t listen!
 
  • In Chapter 22, after the murders of the priests, one son of Ahimelec can escape and goes to David!
  • And David tells him that he will be under his protection!
  • David adds he is responsible for the murders because he saw Doeg and he knew he was going to tell Saul!
  • Thus David assumes his responsibilities!
  • He is a man of honor!
  • But he will become king!
  • And gradually he will lose this quality!
  • It is something difficult to get!
  • But when you get power, it is also easy to lose!
  • It is like accurate knowledge!
  • It is hard to get it!
  • You need to study the Bible a lot!
  • Because the Bible is multidimensional!
  • But it is difficult to understand that!
  • People usually prefer to stay at the surface!
 
  • In Chapter 23, the Philistines are fighting against Keilah!
  • So David asks Yah.weh if he must fight against them!
  • And Yah.weh tells him to go!
  • But his men are afraid!
  • So David asks Yah.weh a second time!
  • And Yah.weh tells him to go!
  • There we can see that David tries his best to follow Yah.weh’s will!
  • He does not do it according to his own will!
  • But when he becomes king, gradually he will start to act according to his own will and not according to Yah.weh’s will!
  • And then he will get into big trouble!
  • We must not forget the example of David!
 
  • In Chapter 23, Saul knows that David is in Keilah!
  • And he thinks that Yah.weh has handed him over to him because he has trapped himself in the city!
  • How is it possible to think that way?
  • Yah.weh has rejected him!
  • David has always escaped his attempts to kill him!
  • People always make a film in their heads!
  • But if you don’t make Yah.weh’s will, you can forget it!
  • Same with mankind!
  • On the contrary, David asks Yah.weh what the leaders of Keilah will do and if Saul will come against him!
  • And Yah.weh tells him what’s going to happen!
  • So David leaves the city with his men and escapes!
  • Finally, Saul hears about David's escape so he doesn’t come against him!
  • Two completely different attitudes!
  • We should remember this episode!
 
  • In Chapter 23, David keeps hiding in the wilderness!
  • Saul keeps searching for him!
  • But Yah.weh doesn’t give him into his hands!
  • Jonathan goes to meet David at Horesh and encourages him!
  • He tells him he will be king of Israel!
  • Then they make a covenant before Yah.weh!
  • Some men come to Saul and tell him where David is!
  • And he asks them to find out exactly where he is!
  • Then he will go with them!
  • Then Saul chases after David!
  • He gets pretty close to David!
  • Then a messenger comes to Saul to tell him that the philistines have made a raid on the land!
 
  • In Chapter 24, David keeps hiding in the wilderness!
  • When Saul returns from pursuing the Philistines, he starts again searching after David!
  • He takes 3,000 men with him!
  • David and his men are hiding in the cave!
  • Saul is near the cave and he wants to relieve himself!
  • David’s men want to take advantage of the situation and kill Saul!
  • And David cuts off the edge of Saul’s sleeveless coat!
  • But he prevents his men from killing Saul because he is the anointed of Yah.weh!
  • Then David calls out after Saul and shows him the edge of his coat he has just cut!
  • Then Saul begins to weep loudly!
  • And Saul goes back home and David his way!
 
  • Coming back to 1 Samuel Chapter 25 and the event related to Nabal:
  • Because of Nabal’s attitude, David was to kill him and all his men!
  • But he didn’t do it because of Nabal’s wife!

  • Maybe you remember that Yah.weh prevented David from building his temple because he was a soldier and he spent a big part of his life making war!
  • Jesus clearly said a Christian can’t do that!
  • In fact, everything we hear in the first part of the Bible has nothing but nothing to do with what a Christian must or mustn’t do!
  • THUS WHEN PEOPLE USE THE FIRST PART OF THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY ANY PRACTICE IS TOTALLY WRONG AND HAS NOTHING BUT NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS’ TEACHING!
  • I CAN’T EVEN IMAGINE HOW IT IS POSSIBLE TO THINK ABOUT IT!
 
  • In Chapter 26, David has another opportunity to kill Saul who is chasing him!
  • But he doesn’t do it because he is Yah.weh’s anointed!
  • He is ready to wait for Yah.weh to strike him!
  • And Saul leaves and David can keep on his way!
  • What a difference when he becomes king of Israel!
  • Here we get another warning!
  • What is the interest of looking for Yah.weh if we stop doing it!
  • FAITHFULNESS IS A WAY OF LIFE!
  • IT’S A STRAIGHT WAY!
  • ONLY FORWARDS!
 
About David:
  • He became king over Israel!
  • Then he took the wife of another man!
  • And he had him killed!
  • Apparently, he had forgotten Yah.weh!
  • Just because he became important!
  • Apparently, it is something quite usual among human beings!
  • It shows how easy it is to change completely!
  • And to lose everything!
 
About Solomon:
  • Solomon asks Yah.weh for wisdom!
  • He builds Yah.weh’s temple!
  • He becomes very rich!
  • But it is never enough!
  • In the end, he gets 700 wives and 300 concibines!
  • Completely crazy!
  • And he starts following their gods!
  • And Yah.weh becomes furious at Solomon!
  • And he losts everything!
  • His descendants only keep one tribe because of David!
  • Otherwise they would have lost everything!
  • Man is so limited!
  • What a lesson!
  • Who cares?
 
  1. About women in the Bible

But for Adam
וּלְאָדָ֕ם (ū·lə·’ā·ḏām)
Conjunctive waw, Preposition-l | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 120: Ruddy, a human being

no
לֹֽא־ (lō-)
Adverb - Negative particle
Strong's 3808: Not, no

suitable
כְּנֶגְדּֽוֹ׃ (kə·neḡ·dōw)
Preposition-k | third person masculine singular
Strong's 5048: A front, part opposite, a counterpart, mate, over against, before

helper
עֵ֖זֶר (‘ê·zer)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 5828: A help, helper

was found.
מָצָ֥א (mā·ṣā)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 4672: To come forth to, appear, exist, to attain, find, acquire, to occur, meet, be present


  • Here the woman is called a suitable helper of man!
  • Only two words!
  • But two words with so meaningful meaning!
  • And completely different from man’s interpretation!
  • And it is always the same story!
  • It is strange to wonder why man needs his own interpretation away from Yah.weh!
  • It is a perpetual position which leads to nowhere, a dead end!
  • It seems to be that man takes pleasure in altering reality!
  • It is like the real world and the metaverse!
  • Man is unable to control the real world so he wants to develop a world in his image!
  • Thus corruption is a pandemic which destroys man!
  • It is a drug man can’t do without!
  • A MIRAGE!
 
2. About women in the Bible

Genesis 2:21

So the LORD
יְהוָ֨ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel

God
אֱלֹהִ֧ים ׀ (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative

caused
וַיַּפֵּל֩ (way·yap·pêl)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Hifil - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 5307: To fall, lie

the man
הָאָדָ֖ם (hā·’ā·ḏām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 120: Ruddy, a human being

to fall into
עַל־ (‘al-)
Preposition
Strong's 5921: Above, over, upon, against

a deep sleep,
תַּרְדֵּמָ֛ה (tar·dê·māh)
Noun - feminine singular
Strong's 8639: A lethargy, trance

and while he slept,
וַיִּישָׁ֑ן (way·yî·šān)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 3462: To be slack, languid, sleep, to grow old, stale, inveterate

He took
וַיִּקַּ֗ח (way·yiq·qaḥ)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 3947: To take

one
אַחַת֙ (’a·ḥaṯ)
Number - feminine singular
Strong's 259: United, one, first

of [the man’s] ribs
מִצַּלְעֹתָ֔יו (miṣ·ṣal·‘ō·ṯāw)
Preposition-m | Noun - feminine plural construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 6763: A rib, a side, a, timber, plank

and closed up
וַיִּסְגֹּ֥ר (way·yis·gōr)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 5462: To shut up, to surrender

the area
תַּחְתֶּֽנָּה׃ (taḥ·ten·nāh)
Preposition | third person feminine singular
Strong's 8478: The bottom, below, in lieu of

with flesh.
בָּשָׂ֖ר (bā·śār)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 1320: Flesh, body, person, the pudenda of a, man

  • And Yah.weh took a rib from Adam and made Eve with it!
  • Of course, he could have made Eve without a part of Adam!
  • But the way he did tells a lot about his intention!
  • He wanted them to become one!
 
3. About women in the Bible

Genesis 2:22

And from the rib
הַצֵּלָ֛ע (haṣ·ṣê·lā‘)
Article | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's 6763: A rib, a side, a, timber, plank

that
אֲשֶׁר־ (’ă·šer-)
Pronoun - relative
Strong's 834: Who, which, what, that, when, where, how, because, in order that

the LORD
יְהוָ֨ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel

God
אֱלֹהִ֧ים ׀ (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative

had taken
לָקַ֥ח (lā·qaḥ)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 3947: To take

from
מִן־ (min-)
Preposition
Strong's 4480: A part of, from, out of

the man,
הָֽאָדָ֖ם (hā·’ā·ḏām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 120: Ruddy, a human being

He made
וַיִּבֶן֩ (way·yi·ḇen)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 1129: To build

a woman
לְאִשָּׁ֑ה (lə·’iš·šāh)
Preposition-l | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's 802: Woman, wife, female

and brought
וַיְבִאֶ֖הָ (way·ḇi·’e·hā)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Hifil - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular | third person feminine singular
Strong's 935: To come in, come, go in, go

her to
אֶל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to

[him].
הָֽאָדָֽם׃ (hā·’ā·ḏām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 120: Ruddy, a human being

  • And he brought her to Adam!
  • Like something special!
  • Like a precious gift!
  • You look at Yah.weh’s act and then you think about what man has done with women!
  • It is disgusting!
  • Men and women are just goods!
  • Man’s society is just a consumer society!
  • Thus man spends his time buying goods!
 
4. About women in the Bible

Genesis 2:24

For
עַל־ (‘al-)
Preposition
Strong's 5921: Above, over, upon, against

this reason
כֵּן֙ (kên)
Adverb
Strong's 3651: So -- thus

a man
אִ֔ישׁ (’îš)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 376: A man as an individual, a male person

will leave
יַֽעֲזָב־ (ya·‘ă·zāḇ-)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 5800: To loosen, relinquish, permit

his father
אָבִ֖יו (’ā·ḇîw)
Noun - masculine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 1: Father

and
וְאֶת־ (wə·’eṯ-)
Conjunctive waw | Direct object marker
Strong's 853: Untranslatable mark of the accusative case

his mother
אִמּ֑וֹ (’im·mōw)
Noun - feminine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 517: A mother, )

and
וְהָי֖וּ (wə·hā·yū)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Conjunctive perfect - third person common plural
Strong's 1961: To fall out, come to pass, become, be

be united
וְדָבַ֣ק (wə·ḏā·ḇaq)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Conjunctive perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 1692: To impinge, cling, adhere, to catch by pursuit

to his wife,
בְּאִשְׁתּ֔וֹ (bə·’iš·tōw)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 802: Woman, wife, female

and they will become one
אֶחָֽד׃ (’e·ḥāḏ)
Number - masculine singular
Strong's 259: United, one, first

flesh.
לְבָשָׂ֥ר (lə·ḇā·śār)
Preposition-l | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 1320: Flesh, body, person, the pudenda of a, man


  • Man and woman will be united!
  • They will become one flesh!
  • Simple and logical!
  • Clear like crystal!
  • But not for men!
  • For men, everything is complicated!
  • Or it seems they make everything complicated!
  • Men like to get into trouble!
 
5. About women in the Bible

Genesis chapter 3

  • The serpent goes to Eve and asks her the question:


“Did God
אֱלֹהִ֔ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative

really
כִּֽי־ (kî-)
Conjunction
Strong's 3588: A relative conjunction

say,
אָמַ֣ר (’ā·mar)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say

‘You must not
לֹ֣א (lō)
Adverb - Negative particle
Strong's 3808: Not, no

eat
תֹֽאכְל֔וּ (ṯō·ḵə·lū)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - second person masculine plural
Strong's 398: To eat

of any
מִכֹּ֖ל (mik·kōl)
Preposition-m | Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 3605: The whole, all, any, every

tree
עֵ֥ץ (‘êṣ)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 6086: Tree, trees, wood

in the garden?’”
הַגָּֽן׃ (hag·gān)
Article | Noun - common singular
Strong's 1588: An enclosure, garden

  • Of course, he could only ask the question to Eve and not to Adam because Adam had received the commandment directly from Yah.weh!
  • The serpent first told her that she would not die!
  • Thus he accused Yah.weh of being a liar!
  • Whereas he was the liar!
  • Then he tried to attract her attention to something she didn’t have, the possibility to be like Yah.weh, having the knowledge of good and bad!
  • And Eve thought about it and decided to eat the fruit!
  • Then she gave it to her husband!
  • It was her personal choice!
  • It was her free will!
  • She had no excuse!
  • In fact, it was the same with Adam!
  • They were perfect but it didn’t prevent them from going away from Yah.weh!
  • What about us?
  • We make our own choices!
  • We can’t accuse others if we do something wrong or if we do nothing because of the others!
  • We must check!
 
6. About women in the Bible

Genesis chapter 3

  • There are consequences to Adam and Eve’s rebellion!

Genesis 3:16

To
אֶֽל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to

the woman
הָאִשָּׁ֣ה (hā·’iš·šāh)
Article | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's 802: Woman, wife, female

He said:
אָמַ֗ר (’ā·mar)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say

“I will sharply
הַרְבָּ֤ה (har·bāh)
Verb - Hifil - Infinitive absolute
Strong's 7235: To be or become much, many or great

increase
אַרְבֶּה֙ (’ar·beh)
Verb - Hifil - Imperfect - first person common singular
Strong's 7235: To be or become much, many or great

your pain
עִצְּבוֹנֵ֣ךְ (‘iṣ·ṣə·ḇō·w·nêḵ)
Noun - masculine singular construct | second person feminine singular
Strong's 6093: Worrisomeness, labor, pain

in childbirth;
וְהֵֽרֹנֵ֔ךְ (wə·hê·rō·nêḵ)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine singular construct | second person feminine singular
Strong's 2032: Conception, pregnancy

in pain
בְּעֶ֖צֶב (bə·‘e·ṣeḇ)
Preposition-b | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 6089: An earthen vessel, toil, a pang

you will bring forth
תֵּֽלְדִ֣י (tê·lə·ḏî)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - second person feminine singular
Strong's 3205: To bear young, to beget, medically, to act as midwife, to show lineage

children.
בָנִ֑ים (ḇā·nîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 1121: A son

Your desire
תְּשׁ֣וּקָתֵ֔ךְ (tə·šū·qā·ṯêḵ)
Noun - feminine singular construct | second person feminine singular
Strong's 8669: A longing

[will be] for
וְאֶל־ (wə·’el-)
Conjunctive waw | Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to

your husband,
אִישֵׁךְ֙ (’î·šêḵ)
Noun - masculine singular construct | second person feminine singular
Strong's 376: A man as an individual, a male person

and he
וְה֖וּא (wə·hū)
Conjunctive waw | Pronoun - third person masculine singular
Strong's 1931: He, self, the same, this, that, as, are

{will} rule
יִמְשָׁל־ (yim·šāl-)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 4910: To rule, have dominion, reign

over you.”
בָּֽךְ׃ (bāḵ)
Preposition | second person feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew


  • And we can still see such consequences today!
  • We must remember them as a warning!
 
7. About women in the Bible

Genesis chapter 3:20

  • Adam’s wife received the name of Eve because she became the mother of all human beings!

  • She made a personal choice and it had many consequences on mankind!

  • Of course, Adam could have decided to stay faithful to Yah.weh!

  • And it would have changed everything!

  • But he decided to follow his wife in her rebellion!

  • Once again, it shows that WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHOICES WE MAKE!

  • AND WE CAN’T ACCUSE THE OTHERS!

  • IT DOESN’T WORK!
 
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