Lost faith in the people who claim they r Christian

[Twistie]

OK, so you say that the unbeliever will be punished, but you have no idea what the punishment will be. Fair enough.

I don't say unbelievers will b punished that's a Christian thing to do for its all written n why do you want so.e one to predict what will happen to those who do n don't believe are you munching on that apple that eve did?

 

[rstrats]

I don't say unbelievers will b punished...

I'm looking right at your post #33 where you say: "False Converts will be punished like the non-Christians..."

I assumed by non-Christians you meant unbelievers. Sorry if you meant something else. Regardless, I was just curious what you think the punishment might be.

 

[Twistie]

I'm looking right at your post #33 where you say: "False Converts will be punished like the non-Christians..."

I assumed by non-Christians you meant unbelievers. Sorry if you meant something else. Regardless, I was just curious what you think the punishment might be.

I do not know the punishment what man can think like YH? It's written the price of sin is death
Death is total separation from YH I don't even wanna imagine it He don't want not one man to suffer death

 

[TheLivingStone]

I've never felt so judged and alone in the 2 churches I've been to. When I tried talking to the pastor about the things of God and the bible he seemed bored, but seemed very interested in talking about anything else. The new church I go to, haven't been in a few weeks, I'll just leave straight after service without speaking to anyone as I've never felt so uncomfortable in a long time trying to talk to the 'family' someone described to me. Feels more like a sunday social club with invite only. I feel terrible for saying these things but it's what happened.
Any advice anyone?

 

[Curtis]

Not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he that does the will of God. Not everyone who is connected to the organized Church are true believers. Jesus said you will know them (true believers) by their fruits. God always speaks through his Church which is why we are to speak the truth to one another in love so we the Church can grow up into Him (Jesus) into a perfect (mature) man.

 

[Twistie]

Dear Sister,
It's not surprising that this is happening. We live in an ever-darkening world. Where there is deception galore that goes on, both in and out of the physical church!
It tells me something about you that it touches your spirit so. The tender heart of the believer that knows the love of the Lord and hurts for those who don't. Are more frequently found in women then in men. So, they have a tendency to be affected more by the behaviors you are seeing then men would. Most men, expect it, and so are not disappointed when they come face to face with it. Oh, there are tender spirited men out there, who at night on bended knees will let it out to our Heavenly Father, but in general will keep it to themselves. Seeking fellowship in men's groups with others who have gone through like experiences.

You remind me of my wife. She could never find fellowship with other ladies in the different churches we have attended. My heart would go out to her because of this, since wherever Church we found ourselves in I would find myself able to find someone to talk too. At the very least to share my love of the Lord with.

I guess you coming to Talk Jesus was for a reason!!! Just remember that even in the darkening world we are living in, we're not alone...no never alone!!!! So, as difficult as it can be, try to be like Paul who wrote to the church in Philippi. And this from a man in Prison, and meant it too, that he repeated it twice!!!

Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice! Philippians 4:4 NKJV

So, I'm not going to let anyone take my joy away from me, and you shouldn't either!!! We have too much to look forward to and being with our Lord & Savior I would put at the top of the list!!!

Oh, by the way. I was stationed in Altus in the early 70's for a couple of years. I once told my wife I didn't even want to fly over the state even. Too afraid it might crash and I'd be stuck there!! Of course that was before I received the Lord as my Savior!! \o/

Anyway, got to go. God bless, and you'll be in my prayers that you might find a God fearing, Word Loving, and tender fellowshipping Church/Body of Christ to receive/give to!
You have Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus here at Talk Jesus who I pray will also fellowship with you!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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Yea pretty much said it all the way my life is regarding the churches is pretty much song of solomon and Isiah along with James

I'm real drawn to Solomon tho the odes

 

[Twistie]

I've never felt so judged and alone in the 2 churches I've been to. When I tried talking to the pastor about the things of God and the bible he seemed bored, but seemed very interested in talking about anything else. The new church I go to, haven't been in a few weeks, I'll just leave straight after service without speaking to anyone as I've never felt so uncomfortable in a long time trying to talk to the 'family' someone described to me. Feels more like a sunday social club with invite only. I feel terrible for saying these things but it's what happened.
Any advice anyone?

There is no talking to one I come to find out it's total chaos in them temples anymore its a sad situation going on

 

[TheLivingStone]

There is no talking to one I come to find out it's total chaos in them temples anymore its a sad situation going on

It is sad, I don't have any fellowship at all really and don't see my old friends anymore as they are unbelievers.
No one I personally know believes and those I met at church seem to trust in the ways of the world and the lies it feeds us.
It's not hard to see how the road is narrow that leads to life.

 

[complete]

O acknowledged Him for everything I haven't worked in over 12 yrs yet He always supplies what is necessary to survive was it you who said I said unbelievers will be punished cause I never said that, that's also between them n YH for you have gentiles (unbelievers) that do the will of YH n this is the proof that His Word is written on the hearts of His r that's a Christian thing those who believe n say they know Him yet deny Him by their way of living will probably b worse of then he who don't believe don't u think so?
For it bis written I am coming for two sheepfold n He will make them one

Hello @Twistie,

- Re. question in 1st sentence (underlined):- I have not said that concerning you, no. .

- Yes, God is faithful, isn't He? and He knows what we have need of before we ask.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Chris

 

[Christ4Ever]

I've never felt so judged and alone in the 2 churches I've been to. When I tried talking to the pastor about the things of God and the bible he seemed bored, but seemed very interested in talking about anything else. The new church I go to, haven't been in a few weeks, I'll just leave straight after service without speaking to anyone as I've never felt so uncomfortable in a long time trying to talk to the 'family' someone described to me. Feels more like a sunday social club with invite only. I feel terrible for saying these things but it's what happened.
Any advice anyone?

Dear Brother (?)
Well, think of what is happening in perspective! Some and maybe many of those that you see interacting haven't seen each other since the previous Sunday! Once you get to fellowship with some folks, you can't help but rejoice when you see them again! Wanting to catch up on how they are doing and telling them how you're doing! Social interaction kind of works that way. Except that these doing it, are Godly people!!! At least you hope so.

Don't be judging the church you're trying by that social interaction, but rather by the Word that is being taught or not!!! Are they adhering to what is found in Scripture, or are they including worldly things/concepts into their preaching and promoting things like "Bingo" (gambling) etc. Maybe, see if they have Bible classes on Wednesday's or any other day that you might be able to attend. This is another way to see some of your Brothers and Sisters at study, and they you!!!

The camaraderie we seek, doesn't happen quickly. When I was able to attend church, I would always look to see who was new, in order to make sure I could look for them after service in order to say hello and introduce myself. Then again, my wife likes to call me a Social Butterfly. She could never muster the will (?) to go up to a complete stranger and start talking!!! So, I guess I felt obligated to do it enough for the two of us!!!

Anyway, it takes time. Depending on the personality you have. Introverted or Extroverted or just unmotivated. Pray, and allow God to move who he wants in your life to you!!! Just stay sitting and watching. You're learn a lot about people by just observing how they interact!

But like I said before the most important part of choosing a church is if they are solid in their Bible teaching, and its application! Also, looking for opportunities to serve. This requires you to spend some time seeing what they are actually about!

I'll be saying a prayer for you!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Twistie]

It is sad, I don't have any fellowship at all really and don't see my old friends anymore as they are unbelievers.
No one I personally know believes and those I met at church seem to trust in the ways of the world and the lies it feeds us.
It's not hard to see how the road is narrow that leads to life.

Ya I get attacked alot by those who claim that title Christian YH has separated me from them for a reason so I also left that title it seems it got a real mean nasty spirit too its very sad
I think of Christian n I feel negative energy from it so to say I've come to see we r all just servants servants of the Most High not one is above another but in Christianity there r many levels it seem its just sad

 

[brighthouse98]

Well, Twistie you are not alone!! After 3 months of joining a Church, they decided to allow a gay male to become part of the Church, not being shy about anything, I spoke up! You cannot do that!! Remember a little Leven leavens the whole lump (Gal 5:9) He can come in, but he sure cannot be a part of the Body of Christ!! The elders said you do not have love for your fellow man, you are wrong and if you do not change your position, you will get the left foot of fellowship yourself. No need for that I said I cannot be a part of this, goodby!

I was very hurt and saddened by their stupidity. One week later this guy was caught having relations with a 15-year-old boy!! (1 Tim 4:12) I was looked down upon because I was a new believer, and as you well know yourself Twistie being a young believer also can mean a clearer mindset rather than religion! I was then asked to return; this was the hard part for me!! I said I would pray on this and decide in a few days. On the second day of fasting, I was given a dream about 2am. All of my past sins before becoming a believer went through my mindset, then a voice from on high spoke, do you love me??

Yes, Lord I said in my dream of course I love you, then feed my sheep!! I remembered that from (John 21:16) You cannot ever feed my sheep if you hide from them, can you?? In short it all worked out, but I learned something very important, if a brother or sister makes a statement about our Jesus, they sure better also know chapter and verse!! Humans will always disappoint, our job in Christ Jesus is to not be like them, but rather look to encourage as best we can in the Body of Christ.

My ministry from the beginning has always been the following from the Lord himself! (Romans 13:11-14) Verse 14!! Feeling can get in the way of sound judgment, do not allow others feeling to become your own, for we are not like them, we are examples, ambassadors of Jesus himself, we have faults as well, and we need to keep this in mind before we go on a judgment seat of others. At 69 I am still learning, and I always will, until Jesus moves my Spirit out of my sorry flesh and makes life new once again. Blessing, hang in there never give up!!

 

[Garee]

I do not know the punishment what man can think like YH? It's written the price of sin is death
Death is total separation from YH I don't even wanna imagine it He don't want not one man to suffer death

Death as a spirit seperate from the body yes. The apointment is for all to die once in dying death comes the end . and then death the letter of the law the second death again the death of death itself it wil be cast into the firey jusgdement never to rise and condemn another whole creation. . .

 

[TheLivingStone]

@Christ4Ever

Indeed!
Thank you for your perspective and the advice. The Lord has urged me recently to be patient, and I need to listen.
It's not my place to judge, just felt strongly that something was really off. I'll persevere and see what happens!

 

[rstrats]

I do not know the punishment

Ok, no problem. You know they will be punished but you just don't know how.

 

[rstrats]

O acknowledged Him for everything I haven't worked in over 12 yrs yet He always supplies what is necessary to survive was it you who said I said unbelievers willb punished cause I neva said that

It was me. You wrote in your post #33; "False Converts will be punished like the non-Christians..." Again, I assumed by non-Christians you meant unbelievers. So false converts and non-Christians will be punished but not unbelievers.

 

[Garee]

OK, so you say that the unbeliever will be punished, but you have no idea what the punishment will be. Fair enough.

What punishment are you refering to ? After they breath there last breath on earth or a living puninhment dying why still on the green side of the grass?

 

[rstrats]

What punishment are you refering to ?

To what ever punishment Twistie is referring.

 

[Br. Bear]

She could never muster the will (?) to go up to a complete stranger and start talking!!! So, I guess I felt obligated to do it enough for the two of us!!!

sounds familiar, Brother.... good excuse, anyway!


Bless you ....><>

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Lost faith in the people who claim they r Christian

GOOD!!
You were never supposed to have faith in any of 'em anyway!

What you're SUPPOSED to have faith in is Jesus' perfect SIN OFFERING on Calvary, and it's power to cleanse you from your SIN.
Romans 8:28 tells you that: ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD of them who love the lord, and are called according to HIS purpose.
Romans 8:29 tells you what the "GOOD" is, and what the purpose" is - i.e. to conform us to the Image of Jesus.

That is a PROCESS - a life long one. "Sanctification" is the term for it. when a person is FIRST saved, they don't have a clue about what they'e just gotten into (except that everything has changed). and other people who are saved, are also in the same process of change. SOme "get it" quicker than others, but "Having faith" in people is warned against in the Bible, since they're all HUMAN - just like you.