Marriage becoming obsolete

[El Hombre viejo]

As a pastor friend of mine says, "Not all marriages are made in heaven." Many times boys and girls/men and women marry because the woman got pregnant and they wanted the affair to look legitimate.

There are other causes of bad marriages as well, but that doesn't make the institution of marriage faulty. Does the shoddy work of some homebuilders make building houses wrong? Its wrong to condemn the institution of marriage because of the abuses/misuses wrought by some.

SLE

Its funny you would say such a thing Ed. What about marriages of convenience? For example The pioneers who opened up our country? The guy got killed in an accident. This guys woman dies of dysentery The two, widow and widower get married because he needs a woman and she needs a man. They live the rest of their lives together, and wind up loving each other.
Arranged marriages. Many times the bride and groom met at the wedding for the first time. "Do you take this stranger to be your lawful wedded wife?"

Come on Ed...Its self that wrecks a marriage. All marriage is made in heaven.,,,but it's on Earth that the work is done.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

As a pastor friend of mine says, "Not all marriages are made in heaven." Many times boys and girls/men and women marry because the woman got pregnant and they wanted the affair to look legitimate.

There are other causes of bad marriages as well, but that doesn't make the institution of marriage faulty. Does the shoddy work of some homebuilders make building houses wrong? Its wrong to condemn the institution of marriage because of the abuses/misuses wrought by some.

SLE

Lion of Judah,

Your response to this post consisted only of a link to Mt 22:30. I doubt that I'm the only person who doesn't understand how you connected that verse to my post. Could you please explain that for us?

SLE

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Hey I guess I'm a dunce with this reply I will post.
Where is there mention of the prompting of the Holy Spirits leading on these choices in either our victory or failure to listen to him?

I see this above dunce's statement, me, missing from a lot of other threads as well?

 

[Giggles4God]

I won't assume that I know all about this topic, but I will say something anyways. lol

Marriage has gone from 'arranged' to 'choice' for those involved. I mean some married because they had to do so to survive. Some had to marry because their parents arranged the marriage. Most of that is cultural.

And then let's not forget satan's foot is in it, too, with same sex 'marriage' and his twisting of what marriage is all about.

We can not judge TRUE marriage on what our parents had. My parents are divorced, but I WILL NOT allow that to happen in my marriage because my husband and I (we've been married over 6 years, be 7 in July) work on it. You can not have a good marriage without working on it and that has little to do with the physical (unless that is where a couple needs work).

Every couple who is married has their own problems. And not every marriage is a marriage founded on the Word of God.

Nowadays, people can 'play house' without getting married and not be looked down upon or be shunned. That would not have happened about 50 or 60 years ago. Even generations are different.

I don't know about places like Japan and other countries, but I do know that those countries not being Christian is not the reason. I would say for Japan...I don't know when they stopped having arranged marriages, but I would think that and maybe the ability to have divorces was not there for them. I don't know. Just guessing.

I will not blame God for the problem of the people. People are to blame. Sin is to blame.

People can marry and divorce so quickly like it isn't anything. There is no teaching of what marriage is really about. And it isn't about what someone can give me, but what I can give to them.

Too many people are selfish and look out for self. Even so called Christians are that way.

Marriage may be obsolete to some, but not to me. And not to God.

 

[azuredepths]

Luke 20:34-35

Jesus states that those who are wise enough to understand the truth of living a chaste life to obtain the glory of Heaven shall know it and live by it Matthew 19:12
Only those who live by the Spirit of God will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. To live once life in lust and wordly desires which he command of us to crucify Galatians 5:24-25 is to live by the flesh which is carnal and will perish and will be eaten by worms.
You must crucify your desires and live a spiritual life without sex and masturbation which you will go to hell for this alone.
If you live by the flesh you will perish by the flesh because you desire what will perish and be eaten by worms.

The question is, how can you live in marriage with another sinner ? knowing that the Lord loves us perfectly, His Love lacks nothing. from this point of view i consider marriage being obsolete.

 

[Richie]

Marriage was God's idea, He made it the way it was supposed to be and it's value will always remain the same in God's eyes. It is certainly not obsolete but it is the people who have chosen to look at marriage as obsolete.

God's word, God's intentions, God's ideas will always remain the same because He is always the same. He put Eve into the picture knowing that Adam cannot manage all alone. That's is what God's intentions were and still He has the same intentions and He will still continue to have the same intentions.

We the Church are His bride, and for our lives He gave His life. Even here, God demonstrates the institution of marriage.

Marriage looking like as if it is obsolete in the eyes of people, is simply because of the rottenness of the sin dwelling in our lives. The Apostle Paul talks about the rotten life style that the people chose (Romans 1:21 - 32). It's the same situation today, although Paul the Apostle said it so many years back.

Divorce is certainly not in God's dictionary. Jesus Himself told the Pharisees, "What God has joined, let not man separate.".

The foundation of our lives should be based on the principles that God gives us through the bible. Otherwise our lives will be nothing but worthless, living for no reason.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

You must crucify your desires and live a spiritual life without sex and masturbation which you will go to hell for this alone.

In Lk 20:34-35, the reference to a life of sexual abstinence is for the future age after Christ returns. We will be in heaven then and marriage as we know it now will be done away with. If sex were removed from this age we would be violating God's command to be fruitful and multiply (see Ge 1:22, 9:1). When done within the context of marriage, sex is not a sin.

SLE

 

[AbbysAunt]

What Marriage Is To Me

These days it seems you see on t.v. everywhere someone in hollywood is getting divorced. Why is this...in my eyes its because they have no idea what the meaning of commitment or marriage is.

In the bible God says we are to be equally yoked...meaning if you are christian you should marry christian. In that sense your marriage can and will be built on the solid rock of God Himself. Marriage to me is commitment to work through the bad and be there in good. To hold one another and be that shoulder to cry on, that ear to listen, be the one to pray with and praise God with. Noone said marriage was ever easy. Its like a roller coaster ride...with ups, downs and twists but if you truely love the person you are married to you are willing to fight for them and never give up but work through those hard times..both husband and wife have to communicate, commit and most of all pray for the Guidance of God in their marriage.

For better, for worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and health, forsaking all others till death do us part....these are vows that are said during a marriage ceremony before God, family and friends...whatever happened to honoring those vows(now I know there are certian cases such as abuse that noone should put up with) man should love his wife as he does himself as Jesus loves His church...woman should love her husband the same way...marriage is a life long commitment and should not be entered to lightly or without alot of praying and thinking on it. For me when I marry one day it will be forever because I am willing to fight for and commit to my spouse and marriage.

I have had several wonderful examples of marraiges...my parents, my best friend and her husband, my grandparents...I thank God for them all every day. I can only hope that one day when I find mr. right my marriage will be strong in the Lord built on Him and that we will be strong in each other and our love. Because marriage to me is no joke its forever.

 

[azuredepths]

In Lk 20:34-35, the reference to a life of sexual abstinence is for the future age after Christ returns. We will be in heaven then and marriage as we know it now will be done away with. If sex were removed from this age we would be violating God's command to be fruitful and multiply (see Ge 1:22, 9:1). When done within the context of marriage, sex is not a sin.

SLE

What I meant was, even in the context of marriage (husband/wife) sex is prohibited, it's only allowed for procreation, not recreational or to fulfil de lusts of the flesh.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

What I meant was, even in the context of marriage (husband/wife) sex is prohibited, ]t's only allowed for procreation

"Then they (older women) can train the younger to love their husbands and children." Ti 2:4 NIV)

Within the context of marriage, sexual intercourse is a key expression of love and love is the glue that holds healthy marriages together. When you reduce the function of sexuality in marriage to procreation alone, you reduce marriage from being a close knit God-like relationship to little more than an open ended quid pro quo that can be dissolved at the whim of either party.

SLE

 

[AudreyNicole]

coming from the "future generation"....

I've never been married, I'm only 19. However, as most of these comments and statistics are dealing with "future generations", I felt I should say something on my generation's behalf lol.

I never used to want to get married. I always felt my career and my life would be enough for me. But now that I've actually been in a relationship I can say I do want to get married and have children and be a wonderful, godly wife and mother (this is coming from a former feminist). I don't think that marriage is becoming obsolete, I just think divorce is becoming much too common; and that is none of God's fault (or the Bible, or "religion"), but it is the fault of our fallen world. As more and more things in our lives become faster and smarter, we expect our marriages to do so as well. And if something doesn't bring us the joy we want when we want it, we simply dispose of it and replace it. Just like everything else in our world, love and marriage is becoming disposable and replaceable.

But like I said, I don't think it's marriage that is dying, I just think divorce is rising. As a 19 year old college sophomore I am currently going through a great transition in my life (I have to grow up... and it seems adulthood is not everything one dreamed it to be as a child lol). But so many of my peers and friends are getting married now its ridiculous. Personally I don't think it is a wise decision on their parts, but, I think it acts as evidence against the depletion of marriage (but hopefully not evidence for the increase of divorce).

Based on what I am seeing around me I would say the statistics concerning marriage are wrong, but I would agree with the unfortunate divorce numbers. The real question I think is Is monogamy becoming obsolete?

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Marriage becoming obsolete. New age. Maybe what God had instituted is gone. Maybe we should listen to the new an approved ones?
Isa 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
Did God say thaaaat?

 

[bansheefast]

I don't think it is obsolete either. I pray for the day I meet the right woman. I feel that people who are saved still believe in marrige.

 

[Daniisalivenow]

These days it seems you see on t.v. everywhere someone in hollywood is getting divorced. Why is this...in my eyes its because they have no idea what the meaning of commitment or marriage is.

In the bible God says we are to be equally yoked...meaning if you are christian you should marry christian. In that sense your marriage can and will be built on the solid rock of God Himself. Marriage to me is commitment to work through the bad and be there in good. To hold one another and be that shoulder to cry on, that ear to listen, be the one to pray with and praise God with. Noone said marriage was ever easy. Its like a roller coaster ride...with ups, downs and twists but if you truely love the person you are married to you are willing to fight for them and never give up but work through those hard times..both husband and wife have to communicate, commit and most of all pray for the Guidance of God in their marriage.

For better, for worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and health, forsaking all others till death do us part....these are vows that are said during a marriage ceremony before God, family and friends...whatever happened to honoring those vows(now I know there are certian cases such as abuse that noone should put up with) man should love his wife as he does himself as Jesus loves His church...woman should love her husband the same way...marriage is a life long commitment and should not be entered to lightly or without alot of praying and thinking on it. For me when I marry one day it will be forever because I am willing to fight for and commit to my spouse and marriage.

I have had several wonderful examples of marraiges...my parents, my best friend and her husband, my grandparents...I thank God for them all every day. I can only hope that one day when I find mr. right my marriage will be strong in the Lord built on Him and that we will be strong in each other and our love. Because marriage to me is no joke its forever.

I also have serveral, wonderful examples of marriage - my parents, my grandparents and a few close friends are happily married with children.

But I wanted to also say I'm getting married to an unbeliever in Oct this year. It has been 16 years this April we have been together and we have 3 children together. He does understand I do have a relationship with God but not Jesus yet. My eldest is 9yrs and attends church and kids activities with the church.

I was saved in 2007 and turning to Jesus at that time was hard because I knew I would have to leave my partner if He told me to. I prayed with all my heart at first, to let me keep them, and got no answer (not very surprising in hind sight).

Then reading my bible one day, nearly 1 year later, I realised (I can't remember the scripture now sorry) that I need to let God use me for His glory! It wasn't about what I wanted.

Praying that day with tears streaming down my face, I felt I finally did the right thing and have no fear of losing my family now. If it's God's will He will let me know, as long as I keep praying.


So I can't see me leaving him with my 3 kids and finding a believer to marry! I love my partner and we love our children, I pray to Jesus to open my partners' heart to receive His Love and Understanding everyday.

I'm sure there will be many opinions expressed here, so fire away!


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