Masturbation

[AbbysAunt]

It's not often I respond to a subject of this nature, but this time I felt led to do so. The question that BrightHouse asked is a good one..is this a sin because it concerns the flesh,or is it rather a weakness of our flesh?

If I am to answer honestly its both...lets answer the first part of the question..is it a sin because it concerns the flesh. is it not true that our bodies are not our own? That infact they were bought with a price? Are we not the temples that House our Lord and Savior who resides in us? So, when we do something that would otherwise honor God to or with our bodies are we not sinning against our own bodies? The answer to that is found in

1Cor.6:18-20 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of The Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price therefore glorify God in your bodyand in your Spirit which are Gods.

Our bodies according the above scripture were never ours...They are our Lord and Saviors...He created them, He lives in Them and each time we do something sexually immoral we are sinning against the very temple He lives in...defiling it. Now lets look at some earlier verses in 1 Corinthians.

1st Cor.6:12-14 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God both raised upthe Lord and will also raise us up by His power.

As we see here our bodies are for our Lord Jesus and our Lord for the our bodies...we also see that it says that all things are lawful but not all things are helpful and that we will not be brought under the power of any...there are somethings that we know are bad for us and if we keep doing will in the end do more to harm us than to help us..and sexual
sin is one of those things...oh we can do it, but in the end its not helpful to us and will more than likely hurt us, but the Good news is this...We shall not be brought under the power of it and why...Because there is a stronger power in our lives that will deliver us from this...it is that of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ...through Him we become conquerors, we recieve freedom from that which was holding us captive...never by our own strength but by the redeeming, meriful grace of our Lord and Savior we are set free.

The second part of the question was about the weakness of the flesh...yes the flesh is weak and that is why we need our Jesus in our lives...we cannot fight alone and never could...the enemy wants nothing more than for us to try to do it alone and why because he knows that when we do we become emotionally,mentally and phycially worn and in that time he can attack with his lies, but when we let Jesus take control guess what!...the enemy stands no chance because with Jesus in control the enemies lies will not penetrate, he has no power at all and he knows it...Praise God that through Him we can overcome the enemy! We can overcome the flesh if we stand on the very Written Word of God and by putting our trust and lives in Him.

I too have struggled with this in my past and at times yes there is still that struggle but Jesus helps me to overcome and He will help you too my friend...Give it all to Him and know that you are His and He loves you sooo much and that you are the Holy Temple that He resides in...He will never leave you and He will give you the strength you need to overcome this. Please know that I am not here to judge because i have fallen short many times and am not perfect myself, but am only here in the Love of our Lord Jesus to offer advice and prayer to and for you. May God bless you now and always and His blessing abound and fall upon you like never before.

 

[agua]

Well said AA.

 

[Brighthouse]

Amen Agua and AA!

 

[stephon]

purity

thanks for posting on this taboo topic, chad and all the others who contributed in a Godly way.

my main area of struggle at the moment is in trying to conquer lustful desires and wanting to masturbate.

my dad says that if a teen is truly "dead in the flesh" - then it should be impossible to masturbate but i'm finding it really difficult to control my flesh.

 

[ItsAboutKingdom]

I am convicted, and encouraged all at the same time. Thanks for posting. Insightful.
K~

 

[DiscipleDave]

Greetings, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

There is no Scriptures whatsoever that teach masturbation is a sin against God or is considered evil. Man teaches that it is. Masturbation in and of itself is not sinful, it is a natural function of the body, that starts even in babies. Where sin comes into play, is determined on how one masturbates. If they lust to achieve desired affect of masturbation than they do indeed commit sin, not because of the masturbating but because of the lusting, unless that lusting is for ones spouse. Therefore if one masturbates without lusting at all, they have not committed any sin according to Scriptures.

The problem is, not to many people can masturbate without lusting. The main reason this is so, is because people masturbate far more frequently then they need too, therefore need extra outside visual stimulation in order to fulfill their desire to masturbate as often as they would like. For example a person who masturbates every day would need extra stimulation (i.e. porn) in order to do so, but a person who refrains to masturbate for a long period of time will be able to achieve the desired affects of masturbation by merely washing themselves, and that without lusting at all. Because their body will be over ready to release, and they will not need extra stimulation (i.e. porn).

Another example is this, if a person sex drive is at a point where they desire to masturbate ever other day, and they use porn to achieve desired affect, if that same person would refrain from masturbating every other day, but only masturbate every 7 days. On the 7th day they would not need any extra stimulation, they would be able to masturbate while singing the national anthem and would still achieve the desired affects of masturbation without lusting one bit.

If you CAN'T cease to lust while masturbating, then for you it is sinful and you need to try to do whatever you can to cease from masturbating, even if it is to get rid of the computer in which you use to masturbate, or the magazines, or whatever else it is. Again as i said earlier, it is not the masturbation that is sinful, it is the method you use that can be sinful, such as lusting to achieve it. If you can't stop lusting, and heaven is important to you, then it would be best to do whatever it takes to cease from it.

 

[WaitingForJesus]

Masturbation occurs because of lust. By masturbating you are SUBMITTING to your flesh and lust. If you say masturbation is not a sin you're only deceiving yourself.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Masturbation occurs because of lust. By masturbating you are SUBMITTING to your flesh and lust. If you say masturbation is not a sin you're only deceiving yourself.

i hear what you are saying, i really do. But can you show me Scriptures that back up what you are teaching? Any will do. You teach that masturbation is sinful. Just show me where Scriptures teach that, because if you can't show me Scriptures, then it is a doctrine of man that teaches that. Sin, by definition of the Word of God, is transgression of the law.

What law then does a person transgress by masturbating? Seriously if you are going to teach things, you should have Scriptures that support the doctrine that you are teaching right?

you say Masturbation occurs because of lust. Really? You must not have done a thorough study on Masturbation, because it is a proven fact that masturbation actually starts at a very very young age, even to be seen in children.

you say by masturbating you are SUBMITTING to your flesh and lust. By eating food i am submitting to my flesh which tells me i am hungry. By urinating i am submitting to the flesh which tells me my bladder is full. It is not a sin to submit to the flesh, in those things which the flesh is in need of. Just because a person submits to the flesh does not mean it is sinful. What is sinful? Sin is the transgression of the law, if then you submit to your flesh and it transgresses the law, then you have indeed committed sin, but if one masturbates and they do not commit the sin of lusting, yet they have submitted to the flesh, how have they sinned?
Curious, Do you believe it is not possible for a person to masturbate without lusting?

 

[Chad]

Greetings, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

There is no Scriptures whatsoever that teach masturbation is a sin against God or is considered evil. Man teaches that it is. Masturbation in and of itself is not sinful, it is a natural function of the body, that starts even in babies. Where sin comes into play, is determined on how one masturbates. If they lust to achieve desired affect of masturbation than they do indeed commit sin, not because of the masturbating but because of the lusting, unless that lusting is for ones spouse. Therefore if one masturbates without lusting at all, they have not committed any sin according to Scriptures.

The problem is, not to many people can masturbate without lusting. The main reason this is so, is because people masturbate far more frequently then they need too, therefore need extra outside visual stimulation in order to fulfill their desire to masturbate as often as they would like. For example a person who masturbates every day would need extra stimulation (i.e. porn) in order to do so, but a person who refrains to masturbate for a long period of time will be able to achieve the desired affects of masturbation by merely washing themselves, and that without lusting at all. Because their body will be over ready to release, and they will not need extra stimulation (i.e. porn).

Another example is this, if a person sex drive is at a point where they desire to masturbate ever other day, and they use porn to achieve desired affect, if that same person would refrain from masturbating every other day, but only masturbate every 7 days. On the 7th day they would not need any extra stimulation, they would be able to masturbate while singing the national anthem and would still achieve the desired affects of masturbation without lusting one bit.

If you CAN'T cease to lust while masturbating, then for you it is sinful and you need to try to do whatever you can to cease from masturbating, even if it is to get rid of the computer in which you use to masturbate, or the magazines, or whatever else it is. Again as i said earlier, it is not the masturbation that is sinful, it is the method you use that can be sinful, such as lusting to achieve it. If you can't stop lusting, and heaven is important to you, then it would be best to do whatever it takes to cease from it.

You write as if you did a study on all men in the world and now you're their spokesman.

Masturbation is driven by lust in your heart. Don't try to persuade others or even yourself that it isn't. Clearly your not being true to yourself about this.

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;
Its so sad that even after all the Scriptural proof of this in my initial post, you still are ignorant. Why?

Maybe these additional articles will suffice your intellect?

Masturbation - is it a sin according to the Bible?
Is masturbation wrong? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Another example is this, if a person sex drive is at a point where they desire to masturbate ever other day, and they use porn to achieve desired affect, if that same person would refrain from masturbating every other day, but only masturbate every 7 days. On the 7th day they would not need any extra stimulation, they would be able to masturbate while singing the national anthem and would still achieve the desired affects of masturbation without lusting one bit.

You have serious issues. Seek Jesus and surrender to Him, let go of your understanding - for real.

 

[Chad]

Curious, Do you believe it is not possible for a person to masturbate without lusting?

Why are you so adamant about defending this? Don't you have better things to do in your free time than to play with yourself?

That may sound rude and harsh to you, but that is exactly how you are portraying yourself.

 

[DiscipleDave]

You write as if you did a study on all men in the world and now you're their spokesman.

i am a spokesman for God, if i lie then let me die a horrible painful, long death. Let me get an incurable disease, which is painful and takes a long time to die. i am a follower of Jesus Christ, and it is written that all liars will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone (Rev 21:8) if i lie then, let me burn forever in the fire and brimstone. What i know is what God told me, what i teach is what He told me to teach, that is the Truth.

Masturbation is driven by lust in your heart. Don't try to persuade others or even yourself that it isn't. Clearly your not being true to yourself about this.

Answer me this question, (although i doubt you will) Can a person masturbate without lusting at all? yes or no?

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;
Its so sad that even after all the Scriptural proof of this in my initial post, you still are ignorant. Why?

as i said above, this is not my understanding, but what God has told me. therefore it is not mine to give, but His who gave it.

You have serious issues. Seek Jesus and surrender to Him, let go of your understanding - for real.

If you accuse me of having serious issues, then is not a Godly thing to inform me what you think those issues are? Do you know me? Through whom do you accuse me of having serious issues, not know me at all? Is it Godly to accuse another without any evidence, proof? What is your proof that i have serious issues? Is it because i teach what God has told me to teach? If then i am Truly teaching what God Himself has told me to teach, how then do you say i have issues? When all i am doing is telling you what He has told me?

another question that i doubt you will answer, but will present it anyway. Tell me where in all of Scriptures does it teach masturbation is a sin? What is sin according to Scriptures? Is it not transgression of the law? Then tell me how does masturbation transgress the law?

here is a Truth. Man teaches masturbation is sinful. God does not teach that. Masturbation is not sinful, if one is able to do it without lusting, as i have said before, and as God had told me. that is a True statement. It is the lusting that is sinful, NOT the masturbation. Now granted maybe 1 out of 1,000 can masturbate without lusting, (which i am one) So for most people if they cannot cease to lust, then for most people it is indeed sinful, not because of the masturbating but because they lust and can't cease from it.

Tell me another thing. If a husband is gone far away on a trip and masturbates thinking of his wife, Has he sinned? If you say yes, where in Scriptures has this man sinned. Woe to this generation who teaches things to be sinful, that even God Himself in His own Word does NOT. you say masturbation is sinful and against God, show me Scriptures that teach that. If then you can show me Scriptures which teach that, i will concur with them, and realize that the voice i heard from God is not from God but a demon, because that demon is teaching me things that is contrary to Scriptures. but if you can't show relevant Scriptures which support what you teach, then i will continue to believe God who told me.

Look forward to your answers:

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

Why are you so adamant about defending this? Don't you have better things to do in your free time than to play with yourself?

That may sound rude and harsh to you, but that is exactly how you are portraying yourself.

i am not defending masturbation. i am defending the Truth as God has revealed it to me. People who teach that masturbation is wrong, sinful, and evil. Do indeed teach a false doctrine, which is not Scriptural at all. THAT is what i am defending. People who say it is wrong, sinful, evil, do not know the Truth concerning this topic. Is it not a Godly thing to do, to try to correct false doctrine? Yet you have turned it around on me, to make it like a personal thing with me, as if i have issues and defend masturbation. i teach the Truth of God, i am a prophet of the most High God, and teach those things which He has taught me.

i have not failed to tell you what He has told me concerning this topic. You can twist is around on me if you like, that is your right. If you want to continue to believe a false doctrine that is also your right, but i have not failed to show the Truth concerning this topic. Believe or don't, i have done what pleases Him.

^i^

 

[Chad]

another question that i doubt you will answer

See, responses like this is wrong. You made a presumption about me, just like you did about these "men" you assume of.

Discussion closed.

 

[LDS Girl]

Masturbation is a good thing. It helps to work off stress. But an excessive behavior is harmful as in the case of all things. If you bath yourself once on a day, it is good for your skin; if you make it ten times on a day, you harm the skin. It just the same is with the masturbation. This is my personal opinion.

 

[Chad]

Masturbation is a good thing. It helps to work off stress. But an excessive behavior is harmful as in the case of all things. If you bath yourself once on a day, it is good for your skin; if you make it ten times on a day, you harm the skin. It just the same is with the masturbation. This is my personal opinion.

Your entitled to your opinion, but when it comes to right and wrong, the Holy Bible is the final say and answer.

 

[WaitingForJesus]

i hear what you are saying, i really do. But can you show me Scriptures that back up what you are teaching? Any will do. You teach that masturbation is sinful. Just show me where Scriptures teach that, because if you can't show me Scriptures, then it is a doctrine of man that teaches that. Sin, by definition of the Word of God, is transgression of the law.

What law then does a person transgress by masturbating? Seriously if you are going to teach things, you should have Scriptures that support the doctrine that you are teaching right?

you say Masturbation occurs because of lust. Really? You must not have done a thorough study on Masturbation, because it is a proven fact that masturbation actually starts at a very very young age, even to be seen in children.

you say by masturbating you are SUBMITTING to your flesh and lust. By eating food i am submitting to my flesh which tells me i am hungry. By urinating i am submitting to the flesh which tells me my bladder is full. It is not a sin to submit to the flesh, in those things which the flesh is in need of. Just because a person submits to the flesh does not mean it is sinful. What is sinful? Sin is the transgression of the law, if then you submit to your flesh and it transgresses the law, then you have indeed committed sin, but if one masturbates and they do not commit the sin of lusting, yet they have submitted to the flesh, how have they sinned?
Curious, Do you believe it is not possible for a person to masturbate without lusting?

"But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people." Ephesians 5:3

"So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God." 1 Corinthians 10:31

EVERYTHING you do, you must do it for God. Can you masturbate for God?

Also, yes, men need to get rid of semen. But we do it by getting married and making children! If you cannot get married:

"If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell." Matthew 5:29

Consider Jesus' advice. This verse is what made me quit porn and masturbation.

 

[DiscipleDave]

See, responses like this is wrong. You made a presumption about me, just like you did about these "men" you assume of.

Discussion closed.

yet, you did not answer the question, brother. Exactly as i presumed you wouldn't. i really don't mean to upset you or anger anyone. i only said i doubt you will answer, because most people do not answer questions that prove that they are wrong in their thinking. i asked some questions and said i doubt you will answer them, it is only because by answering the question you will realize the error in your thinking, most people (i presume) are not willing to do that and will not reply at all, or close the discussion. But i love you brother, and did not mean to offend you, or make you upset because i said i doubt you will answer. Which by the way is a correct presumption, in that you did not answer the questions.

we are brothers in the Lord Jesus Christ, and after the same thing, The Truth.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

Your entitled to your opinion, but when it comes to right and wrong, the Holy Bible is the final say and answer.

and what does the Holy Bible say about Masturbation?

i know what men teach concerning it, but where in the Bible does it say it is evil, wrong, sinful to Masturbate? We know that lusting is evil, wrong, sinful. But where in all of Scriptures does it teach that the act of masturbating is evil, wrong, or sinful?

i will not presume, that you will not answer this question this time, because by doing so seems to upset you, so then i will not presume you won't answer, this time i will presume you will answer the question: What Scriptures teach the act of masturbating is evil, wrong, or sinful?

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

"But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people." Ephesians 5:3

i agree, the problem is people think sexual immorality is the act of masturbating, most people associate masturbating with lust, but the Truth is a person can masturbate without committing the sin of lusting at all. Lust is what is sinful, not the act of masturbating.

"So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God." 1 Corinthians 10:31

EVERYTHING you do, you must do it for God. Can you masturbate for God?

Do you have a bowel movement for God? Do you pee for God? Do you pop a zit for God, or bust a boil for God? Do you pick at a scab for God? Do you itch a mosquito bite for God? me personally i would never want to have a bowel movement while God was watching me do it, i would never want God to watch me pee either, nor would i want God to watch me masturbate, nor would i want God to watch me shower. i would not even want God to see me naked. What does any of this have to do with if masturbation is sin against God. Is peeing a sin? Is pooping a sin? Is showering a sin? All these things i do but would not want God to watch. Do i give God glory in pooping? yes i do. Do i give God glory in peeing? Yes i do. Do i give God glory in masturbating? Of a truth yes i do. For i am thankful to God that am able to do all these things, and none of those things do i transgress anything in the Word of God. I do all things to please Him. Do i poop to please Him? Not really. i poop, because that is what the body i am in desires to do when it does it. Do i pee to please Him? Not really. i pee, because that is what the body i am in desires to do when it does it. Do i eat food to please God? Not really, i eat food because that is what my body desires to do and eating is not a sin, unless i eat something that causes another person to stumble then that eating becomes sinful. Do i masturbate to please God? Not really, i masturbate because that is what the body i am in desires to do when it needs it. And i do not lust at all, nor think any unclean thing, nor unpure thing, nor do i think of sex at all. But everything i do is in Him, and i mean everything. i do nothing to displease Him. NOTHING. not that i am bragging, but to witness that it is possible, i tell you this. i do not knowingly or willingly commit any sin whatsoever that is against Christ. I do all things to please Him.

^i^

Also, yes, men need to get rid of semen. But we do it by getting married and making children! If you cannot get married:

"If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell." Matthew 5:29

Consider Jesus' advice. This verse is what made me quit porn and masturbation.[/QUOTE]

 

[dannibear]

i would not even want God to see me naked.

Adam and Eve felt the same way after their sin caused the fall of mankind.
Genesis 3:7