Mitt Romney and the LDS

[Arnold J.Rimmer]

Like I stated, Arnold...this is my opinion and I will stick to it.

An unwillingness to evaluate one's thoughts and convictions forms an insurmountable barrier between a person as (s)he is, and the better person they could become.

And (again in my humble opinion) YOU are the one that is seriously uninformed. Be blessed.

Humbleness requires more than the mere ability to insert the word 'humble' in a sentence.
And the fact that you level criticism at people without even attempting to furnish evidence for said critique makes me suspect you do not understand what true humility entails.

Arnold

 

[kamiller1972]

An unwillingness to evaluate one's thoughts and convictions forms an insurmountable barrier between a person as (s)he is, and the better person they could become.




Humbleness requires more than the mere ability to insert the word 'humble' in a sentence.
And the fact that you level criticism at people without even attempting to furnish evidence for said critique makes me suspect you do not understand what true humility entails.

Arnold

Like I stated in my first post regarding this topic, I will not get into a political debate. Or did you not read my first post thoroughly? You, sir, are being nothing but extremely rude. I am entitled to my opinion as you are yours. I can assure you that I am extremely versed in the ways of politics and try to take both sides into account. Saved was asking for opinions. I gave mine. You don't like what you read, then move along.

I will say it again. I will not get into a political debate, as I feel this is not the place to do it. I gave an opinion, end of story.

By the way, you do not know me so please refrain from thinking that you do. Saying that I do not understand what true humility is is nothing short of of throwing an insult in my direction and it's rude and uncalled for.

Go ahead and continue your rant, Arnold. You're entitled to. But I can assure you that you will get nothing more than ignored from my side.

God bless.

 

[Christ4Ever]

An unwillingness to evaluate one's thoughts and convictions forms an insurmountable barrier between a person as (s)he is, and the better person they could become.

Humbleness requires more than the mere ability to insert the word 'humble' in a sentence.
And the fact that you level criticism at people without even attempting to furnish evidence for said critique makes me suspect you do not understand what true humility entails.

Arnold

Yo Arnold,
Depends on what you evaluate your thoughts against, don't you think? Whether you be President, wanna be, or live in a cave. I myself utilize scripture. Now for the critique of OB which doesn't require much research.....

Supports Gay Marriage, Supports Abortion, during his first two years when he had both houses of Congress to pass whatever bill he so desired, he did not focus on the economy which I believe was the issue of import at the time, and continues to be, rather than universal health care (Granted a problem & still a problem but not one that was point for his election in the first place.).

OB's support comes primarily from the liberal portion of society. This becomes an issue because, the liberal does not differentiate between being a conservative and being a Christian. Christian is automatically branded a conservative, unless of cause you happen to be a black Christian Remember as a Christian truth is not malleable to the situation but absolute in Christ Jesus. This thought is not PC, so will face opposition for all corners, and sadly, OB is one of them.

I've prayed for OB to bring this country back to God, but realized sadly it similar to praying for patience. (As I do for all leaders of this country.) What happens when you pray for patience? More trials & tribulations, which provides you the avenue by which you can build that patience up. The same for turning this country back to God. My hope was that OB would be the man of God, that would uphold and support the values that made this a Godly country through Christ Jesus, but realize too late that he opposed these values due to political expedience. Even Black Pastors are starting to realize this. The word is starting to spread, which I've evidenced first hand from hearing some who attend black churches discussing this issue. Is it more important to vote for him because he's black or not to because he fails to hold to Christian values as outlined in Scripture? So this country is being placed front and center, to determine whether they are Christian Country or as OB has stated not. "Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers." As a Christian which I pray you are, you realize that this is the same issue that brought down Israeli in the old testament. Allowing for the worship of other Gods. Providing them equal or co-equal footing, so to speak. Our God is a jealous God, and this will not go without consequences. God forgave Israeli many times, but not until they turned back to Him, and to Him alone.

You might have the hope that Obama will regain his moral compass and make a 360 once reelected or not you not being born again and all. Still whether you believe in the power of prayer or not you better be doing some heavy praying, because he's given no evidence in the past, or as of today of listening to anyone, even the religious Christian guides he does communicate with. This country is on the balance of turning Agnostic of which you might be one of. Which can only mean that the persecution of Christianity will continue to rise, using the Law as the ammunition by which their weapons will be used (Incarceration, confiscation, fines, etc.).

You and all here who profess or don't profess a love of country, please pray for America. It needs it!

And as far as "humble" is concerned. It does not mean compromise. Though Jesus was humble he was also bold. Bold to speak the truth, even if rejected.

Philippians 2:5-8 [5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: [6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: [7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

A Christian and humbled by it.
C4E
I pray some of these scripture verses might help Arnold.

Romans 6:23
Romans 5:8
Romans 10:9-10, 13
Romans 5:1
Romans 8:1
Romans 8:38-39
Acts 2:21
Romans 1:16
Romans 10:9
1 Corinthians 1:18
2 Corinthians 5:17
Isaiah 43:11
John 3:36
John 10:9

 

[SavedinChrist]

Here some interesting stuff from a German News magazine, called "Der Spiegel:

spiegel.de/international/world/doubts-growing-about-republicanpresidential-
candidate-mitt-romney-a-848437.html

In it you can read this quote:

Newsweek Calls Romney a Wimp

According to the Washington-based Pew Research Center, the Republican presidential candidate is now
polling 10 percentage points behind President Barack Obama, as conservatives in the United States
become increasingly exasperated with Romney. After all, he is campaigning against a president whose
economic policies meet with disapproval among the majority of Americans. One of the reasons Romney is
trailing Obama is that he persistently refuses to talk about his past and his plans for the future. He has
been deliberately vague about his own proposals for America's future economic and foreign policy.
This approach prompted Newsweek to characterize Romney as a "wimp." This man avoids all risk, unlike
previous Republican candidates like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, who both went on to win the
White House. "It looks like they're banking on simply the angst about President Obama," influential
conservative journalist Craig Shirley told Politico. What you've got to do is come up with a pitch, a
formula, a message that is going to tell the American people, 'We've tried the last four years. I have a
better plan and here's what it is.'"
Romney's biggest weakness is that he is seen as the candidate of the 0.1 percent, the richest of the rich
in America. With an estimated net worth of $250 million, he is also one of the richest presidential
candidates of all time.
His inability to shed this reputation is his own fault. The former businessman likes to pose while jet skiing
in front of his $10-million lakeside vacation house, and he raves about how nice it is to "fire" people.
Some 89 percent of Americans believe that Romney's main motivation is to help the rich, whose taxes he
promises to cut considerably.

 

[Acebopata]

I use to care about Mitt being a Mormon, but I changed my mine after I took an arrow in the knee from DR. Kamikaze Spendthrift.

 

[Rockerduck]

I don't believe in polls. They are only accurate if the poll the proper vote sample. Its been shown inaccurate in several polls. Most missed is voter turn out. I'm not going to shoot the messenger. I disagree with the findings. We had a mid year vote where I live for a splost tax, along with some political offices. All the polls said it was going to be close. It was a landslide loss. Romney has raised more money and more people show up to his rally's than Mr. President.

 

[Arnold J.Rimmer]

I don't really understand what brought you to type all this, but to say that "during his first two years when he had both houses of Congress to pass whatever bill he so desired, he did not focus on the economy" is just bizarre.
You may not agree with the bailouts of our auto industry and the massive amounts of money devoted to keeping the economy from falling into an all-out depression, but in his first 2 years focussing on the economy is pretty much the only thing Mr. Obama did ( and should have done.)

Arnold

 

[Arnold J.Rimmer]

If you are concerned and upset by the spending of The Obama Administration, you must have been livid during the reign of George W. Bush.
According to the Congressional Budget Office, both the Annual Federal Spending and the Annual Budget Deficit are lower now than when Mr. Obama took office.

No doubt you are the exception to the rule, Acebopata, but the people who so vociferously bemoan the "excessive spending" of the Obama administration were conspicuously silent when George W. Bush looted our national treasure and ran up stratospheric deficits.
I do not know the reason for this selective outrage, but a likely explanation could be an unfamiliarity with the facts and a preference for manufactured stereotypes and easily digestible soundbites rather than research.

Arnold

 

[Christ4Ever]

I don't really understand what brought you to type all this, but to say that "during his first two years when he had both houses of Congress to pass whatever bill he so desired, he did not focus on the economy" is just bizarre.
You may not agree with the bailouts of our auto industry and the massive amounts of money devoted to keeping the economy from falling into an all-out depression, but in his first 2 years focussing on the economy is pretty much the only thing Mr. Obama did ( and should have done.)

Arnold

Oh I'm sorry.....I forgot the Health Care bill was passed by the Republican Congress! Excuse the sarcasm. Once again. The glasses I look through to evaluate a candidate is scripture and not what have you done for me lately. Doing it that way has gotten us in the mess that we're in and with this administration it's not getting any better.

Praying you might have read the scriptures I posted.
C4E

 

[Acebopata]

Hmmm... And the bush bailouts where passed under a democrat majority... in both the house and senator.

 

[Rockerduck]

If you are concerned and upset by the spending of The Obama Administration, you must have been livid during the reign of George W. Bush.
According to the Congressional Budget Office, both the Annual Federal Spending and the Annual Budget Deficit are lower now than when Mr. Obama took office.

No doubt you are the exception to the rule, Acebopata, but the people who so vociferously bemoan the "excessive spending" of the Obama administration were conspicuously silent when George W. Bush looted our national treasure and ran up stratospheric deficits.
I do not know the reason for this selective outrage, but a likely explanation could be an unfamiliarity with the facts and a preference for manufactured stereotypes and easily digestible soundbites rather than research.

Arnold

I didn't like the looting of the treasury under President Bush, by the Democrats, either. Government lesson: Congress controls the money, not the President. The President can only ask for it. Fact 2: everything was fine until 2006 when Congress and the Senate went majority Democrat. It went downhill since. Out of control spending falls on the congress.

 

[farout]

Continuing to have a Muslim or have a Morman neither are what I want. But, I then have to look at which man has more of the values I think a President must have. President Berry Serento Obama, he changed his name to what he calles himself today, Have you ever wondered why he took on Muslim sounding names? Anyway Mr. Obama is for same sex marriage, homosexual's openly serving in our military, refuses to allow defencing in Marriage law, has only attended three prayer breakfast's, allowed Muslin prayer gathering on the White Houuuse lawn, Bowed before a king is 2009, apologized for the USA to a Nation that we owed no apologize, believes killing of babies in the womb. I could go on but that's enough for now.

Now Romney, he is a Norman, which is a cult. He now believes to kill a baby in the womb is wrong, says he will kill ObamaCare, He is against homosesuals serving openly in the Military, Defends the Marraige law, does not believe in same sex marriage, refuses tow bow before anyone. I could go on but I won't.

Now given the choice bewteen these two men I ask which one has the closest values that I have? It's quite clear Mr. Romney has more of the values I personally have, and expect a President to have.

It is not the lesser of two evils, its which man havs close to Christian values, which man has sympathic views to Muslims?

Mr. Obama is by far, the greatest rhetorician that the White House has ever had in my lifetime. Mr. Obama did have a debt hander down to him. However He had added more to that debt than any president in the history of the USA. There is no way to spend you way out of debt, only unwise people do such stupid tricks.


My main core beliefe is antiabortion, therefore I could not vote for any party oor person who believes that to murder an unborn child is their right. If we start with the unborn, believe me the time of denying older people medical care based on how productive a person is or is not, is almost in place. Older people in the hospital and needs for example heart surgery, if they are past a certian age, medicare will not pay for it. If we kill babies based on their sex, DNA quality, or physical handicaps, or it just is not convient. We are near investing money in medical care based on what value to society that person is. Christ is coming soon!

 

[Christ4Ever]

Hmmm... And the bush bailouts where passed under a democrat majority... in both the house and senator.

Actually in Bush's last term it was passed exactly that way...you can put the blame squarely on both shoulders looking short term fixes with increased debt...regardless of who does it, it's a mess, and one that needs to be fixed...Politician is not going to do because they owe everybody something...The hope is that a man of God can be found, that reflects the Love of Christ regardless of belief, which is what the Lord showed to all...This might allow the masses to vote him in, or that God will move the hearts & minds of both men and women that it be so...that probably would require people themselves to want God in the equation and pray for this......sadly, with the increase in the separation of church & state, and law suits from atheist trying to insure even the littlest mention of God or Christ is destroyed, makes for this out come least likely...That's why prayer, prayer, prayer...in God we can trust!
C4E
Nahum 1:7 The LORD [is] good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

 

[Arnold J.Rimmer]

Oh I'm sorry.....I forgot the Health Care bill was passed by the Republican Congress! Excuse the sarcasm.

I don't mind sarcasm, C4E. It has a proper place in discussions, and sometimes it is the only appropriate tool left in our verbal arsenal.

I must say, though, that I feel as if I have landed in the Twilight Zone. If you honestly think that the Affordable Care Act aka 'Obama care', which, I assume, you are referring to when you talk about the Health care Bill, passed because it was supported by the GOP in congress, than I am literally speechless, and will thus have to end the discussion.

Other posters here exonerate George W. Bush from the profligate spending under his reign and claim that our president is a member of the Muslim faith.

I have to admit that I am bewildered and also a bit saddened by the egregious ignorance and shocking disrespect for the truth that some posters display here on certain subjects.

I know it isn't mentioned anywhere in Scripture, but lack of knowledge really ought to be cardinal sin.

Arnold

 

[Christ4Ever]

I don't mind sarcasm, C4E. It has a proper place in discussions, and sometimes it is the only appropriate tool left in our verbal arsenal.

I must say, though, that I feel as if I have landed in the Twilight Zone. If you honestly think that the Affordable Care Act aka 'Obama care', which, I assume, you are referring to when you talk about the Health care Bill, passed because it was supported by the GOP in congress, than I am literally speechless, and will thus have to end the discussion.

Other posters here exonerate George W. Bush from the profligate spending under his reign and claim that our president is a member of the Muslim faith.

I have to admit that I am bewildered and also a bit saddened by the egregious ignorance and shocking disrespect for the truth that some posters display here on certain subjects.

I know it isn't mentioned anywhere in Scripture, but lack of knowledge really ought to be cardinal sin.

Arnold

Hello again Arnold!
I guess the tool I used (sarcasm) wasn't left handed so you failed to see what I was implying by my comment. (Joke) Keep in mind this was in response to your belief that the current administrations energies was mainly dedicated to helping the economy. In light of increased regulations (see the blocks done after the oil spill for new licensing), increasing regulatory requirements on the coal industry to shut them down (Not during a down economy Mr. President. At least wait until the economy gets better and we have more jobs!), and refusing to grant access for the Canadian pipeline (Once again we can use the jobs.). The handling of this economy by this administration is poor at best, and that would be my opinion regardless of the party in power. Toss in a sprinkling of social engineering and you have change that even many in his party were not expecting.

I don't agree with others here that the previous administration is without fault. They contributed greatly as well, but also don't forget that the last two years of that administration had Congress in Democratic hands as well. As you've so apply pointed out in other posts or maybe that was someone else, it's the Congress that determines monetary spending. Just saying.

As far as the "egregious ignorance and shocking disrespect for the truth", you leave me as bewildered that a Christian site seems to have gotten your attention. I'm glad you are here, in the hope that you might know the truth in Christ Jesus. Not because that would change your political views. No. For the hope that can be find only in Him. For when we're looking at death with ever shortening breath, whether we are Liberal, Conservative, Independent, what have you, becomes irrelevant, and we are left with only Vanity. It will offer no solace to you. Look to Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and no matter what transpire in the world when you last breath is taken , You Will Be Victorious!
C4E
John 14:6

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Barack Obama is a Christian. His father is a Muslim. Mormons are not a Christians. They were described by sect specialists and religion scientist as a sycretic mixed religion which has also occult elements in their doctrines. (e.g. the garment and the temple endowment)
Why do by the way some conservative Americans claim that Barack Obama is not an American? Or, that he is a Communist? There is no proof for these two statements!

Barach Obama is not a Christian. He is a rabid Muslim. He is out to destroy the US. A Christian would not say that anyone who is against Allah, Mohammed, or Islam has no future. Obama said that a few days ago in his address to the UN.
Come on Stop dreaming and look for reality.