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Mormonism: They lie about their beilefs at your door

Regarding boundries, saying that God the Father was once a man and only one of many Gods degrades Him. To say that we cannot get into heaven without Jospeh Smith's permission degrades Christ's sacrifice and guarantee that He paid the full price and we can rely on Him for entrance into heaven. To say that Black people are black because God cursed them to look that way because of sin makes God into a racist. And to say that Native Americans were made dark because their ancestors sinned and to make them ugly to white people also makes God into a racist. To say that we are only saved by grace through faith after all we can do degrades Christ's sacrifice.

And following a false prophet that guarantees salvation to a 14 year old little girl if she marries him when he was 37 is repulsive. And to marry other mens wives while they are still alive is inexcusable. That is what is meant by boundries

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You still didn't answer my question about lying


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Is it selfish and immoral to find God's will for us and to do it?
God is not willing that any should perish! Again and again, if we say nothing, people will perish. Mormons are intentionally lying to bring people into their religion. If we do what you say, Christians will die without Christ. If you don't want to help them, that's your decision. If it was your 14 year old grandaugher who was promised that her whole family would recieve exaltation if she were to marry a 37 year old false prophet, you would want someone to say something
 
Regarding boundries, saying that God the Father was once a man and only one of many Gods degrades Him. To say that we cannot get into heaven without Jospeh Smith's permission degrades Christ's sacrifice and guarantee that He paid the full price and we can rely on Him for entrance into heaven. To say that Black people are black because God cursed them to look that way because of sin makes God into a racist. And to say that Native Americans were made dark because their ancestors sinned and to make them ugly to white people also makes God into a racist. To say that we are only saved by grace through faith after all we can do degrades Christ's sacrifice.

You and I are not communicating. I do not agree with all of the Mormon doctrines you keep pointing me to... My point is what is your job in the eyes of God? Your answer is that it is your job to denounce Mormon doctrines to Mormons so as to hopefully direct them in a better way, but all you are doing is tearing down. You are not showing them the better Way. What I am saying is that it is only necessary to show them the better Way via our lives unless God gives us a more specific directive.

As to making someone change who is holding onto an erroneous belief: you cannot do it. Only God gives the increase!

jonjon: And following a false prophet that guarantees salvation to a 14 year old little girl if she marries him when he was 37 is repulsive. And to marry other mens wives while they are still alive is inexcusable. That is what is meant by boundries

My friend there have probably been repulsive representatives of every significant denomination that has ever existed. There was even a traitor among the 12 selected by Jesus Himself. Should we reject Jesus because one of His chosen 12 was Judas? How badly did Jesus treat Judas? He did not. He loved Judas and treated him well at all times. The condemnation of Judas was his own. The condemnation of Joseph Smith, if he is to be condemned, is his own.

As I have already said, if you want to preach to Mormons because you believe it to be God's will for you then go for it. But... while they may well be deluded in many of their doctrines, not only Mormons are deluded. We must love the truth that we do not know.

jonjon: You still didn't answer my question about lying

I am uncertain which question I failed to answer. I tried to answer everything. Please repeat the unanswered question and I will answer it if I can.

jonjon: God is not willing that any should perish! Again and again, if we say nothing, people will perish. Mormons are intentionally lying to bring people into their religion. If we do what you say, Christians will die without Christ. If you don't want to help them, that's your decision. If it was your 14 year old grandaugher who was promised that her whole family would recieve exaltation if she were to marry a 37 year old false prophet, you would want someone to say something

You already know the answer to the question. If a person is to blamed for an unintentional lie, how much more blame is affixed to an intentional one?

In the OT under the law God gave to Moses, an animal sacrifice was required for an unintentional sins when it became known. The penalty for intentional sins was usually the death of the sinner. But... remember who knows the intent of the heart of every man. It is not you and it is not me.

Even a lie is not a sin unto death if it is told by an unbeliever. The unbeliever still has hope of becoming a believer. If a Mormon is as you say not a Christian, then is he a believer or an unbeliever?

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48
 
amadeaus2,

We come from two different extremes. I believe that it is worth learning to help protect people. To alert them so they don't fall away. As you can see from my first post, I suggest doing something probably no one agrees with. What I do is I copy/paste those messages and I go to yahoo political threads and paste it on there. This educates people about what Mormons actually believe regarding races. I quote Mormon "scriptures" so that Mormons cannot deny it. Believe me, if I didn't quote those passages, they would just deny it. So I am using Mitt Romney as an opportuntiy to educate many many people. I believe this is important because our time might be short. Mormons can lie to convert people to their faith. And many Christians are too lazy to learn the truth to protect themselves. I do not believe that even though they are being irresponsible, that I should just let them go to hell. I will look after them regardless.


I also want to tell you something else. You don't need to hear the voice of God every time you are to do something. I know God told me to give some poor children rabbits in the Philippines a few months ago. My girlfriend there hadn't seen any in her village or anywhere near. But there was some and she was able to get them. We are going to give them to the children someday when they breed. But if you know that someone's salvation is at stake, you don't need a voice from God to help them.
James 4:17
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

I cannot convince you that you should help those who are headed to hell if you don't hear a voice from God to tell you to do so. Some things should just be natural. No one knows the relationship between God sovereignty verses God's love in regards to a person's salvation. Is God willing that any should perish? No. Did he know if they would accept Him or not? Yes. So how is that fair? I Cor 9:19 19 For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them.
I Cor 10:33 - 33 just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved

So it seems that it is best to play it safe and do your best to save as many as you can! When we die, we will be given the answers. And that is when we will be glad that we did our best and gave of ourselves for others. And we will say, "Oh, now I get it. Now I understand. I am sure glad I did my best"
 
As I hope I have indicated already, I do not really disagree with your approach. I do not believe it is my place to disagree. It is simply not my approach.

God uses a lot of people. He has used a lot of people over the centuries. The way He works with one will not necessarily match precisely the way He works with another. On that we will probably agree. When a person works at less than his potential it is likely that God will be displeased.

Hearing God's voice doesn't mean to me that there is an audible sound picked up by my natural ears. My hearing is so poor that He would have to do something special for me if it were. I believe that God has already spoken His Word once before any man walked. Once spoken His Word accomplishes everything that it needs to accomplish throughout the time of men. His Word is not like our words. God does not have to repeat Himself because it is always possible for a person who needs something from God to hear that which is needed. God has already spoken the answer.

God has already, I believe, spoken all of the curses and all of the blessings for every person who has ever lived, and who will ever live, in every possible situation, based on every possible decision that each person can make. We will receive in according with our faith and our growth. We will hear in accord with our faith and our growth. When we do hear, then the burden to act is upon us. When we do act based on such a God-given burden, God will also supply everything that we do not have, but which we need, to accomplish His purpose for us.


As we read and study and pray, the Holy Spirit will write on our hearts what God says to us (has already said, but now it is needed).This is why sometimes when we are reading a verse of scripture (or a commentary, or post on an Internet forum, or we are hearing a preacher preach, etc.) we have read (or heard) many times in the past, it will seem as if a light bulb comes on with something we simply did not understand before. We may even have previously understood something for another situation in our own past from the same verse.

jonjon: I cannot convince you that you should help those who are headedto hell if you don't hear a voice from God to tell you to do so.

I have already heard what you are saying, but sometimes while we are moving ahead in that direction with that goal of which you speak,I am checked by the Holy Spirit as Samuel was checked in his desire to continue to mourn for King Saul after the man was rejected by God. God may simply say, 'stop what you are doing for now as I have something else or another way for you to go for now'.


jonjon: Some things should just be natural. No oneknows the relationship between God sovereignty verses God's love in regards toa person's salvation. Is God willing that any should perish? No. Did he know ifthey would accept Him or not? Yes. So how is that fair? I Cor 9:19
19 For though I am free from all, I have mademyself a servant to all, that I might win more of them.
I Cor 10:33 -
33 justas I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage,but that of many, that they may be saved


God does use the natural as He uses the spiritual. We cannot put God absolutely in a box with regard to the way He will act or react in a given situation. Sometimes He will show mercy where we thought that someone or something had already been completely rejected by Him based on our own past experience.

Remember:

“O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is notin man that walketh to direct his steps.” Jerem 10:23

We always need to have a Director and for us to always do what God wants us to do, our Director must always be God!

[qoute]jonjon: So it seems that it is best to play it safe and do your best to save as many as you can! When we die, we will be given the answers. And that is when we will be glad that we did our best and gave of ourselves for others. And we will say, "Oh, now I get it. Now I understand. I am sure glad I did my best"[/quote]


I quite agree with what you have written. It agrees with this:

“Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might….”Ecc9:10

When we do not understand everything, we go ahead in all that we can as best we can with the purpose of pleasing God. With this I agree, but when our spiritual ears are open to something of God’s Word, or is being opened, and it seems to change what we heard before, while, of course, not contradicting scripture, then…
 
I will simply say this. If you were my neighbor and you were being misled by mormons or anyone else, it would take a bullet to my head to stop me from rescuing you. Because sometimes, we don't need to hear a voice from God to know His will. God orders our steps and puts us in a place to act. We don't have to worry if it's our call or not because God has already called us.
 
I was wondering if someone could do me a favor. I am not allowed to post links yet but I would love for someone who can to post the links to two videos. They are especially helpful in witnessting to Mormons. Maybe there are some of you that have a mormon friend that would be willing to watch those videos with you. If you have them available to you, I think it would help. Who knows, maybe once you have those videos, God will bring some Mormons into your life so you can show them.

The first is called:

Top 10 Mormon Problems Explained by MormonHistoryBuff
It lasts 1:21:15

The second is:

The Collapse of Mormonism: Why Millions are no longer Mormons by prffsrx
It lasts 56:32

They shoud be very easy to find. Thanks to whomever can do that.

God Bless

Jon
 
I will simply say this. If you were my neighbor and you were being misled by mormons or anyone else, it would take a bullet to my head to stop me from rescuing you. Because sometimes, we don't need to hear a voice from God to know His will. God orders our steps and puts us in a place to act. We don't have to worry if it's our call or not because God has already called us.

Well although we may seem to be worlds apart, we have a connection in Jesus. Give God the glory and thank you for your kindly worded discussion.
 
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