Mother Mary

[Brad Huber]

I am not even catholic and I cant believe the disrespect given to Mary just because some ppl idolize her.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

What disrespect Brad?

 

[Brad Huber]

What disrespect Brad?

I sincerely doubt you would recognize it. If people said this kind of stuff about moses or paul, most christians would not be a party to it, but because its mary, and associated with catholicism, people ignore what scripture says about her.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I sincerely doubt you would recognize it. If people said this kind of stuff about moses or paul, most christians would not be a party to it, but because its mary, and associated with catholicism, people ignore what scripture says about her.

Ok If you don't want to answer my question, try this one.....How is Mary more deserving of respect than the man who obeyed God and got his head chopped off? Or the person who obeyed God and made a million bucks from it. Or the child who obeyed his mother and stood up to the bullies? She obeyed simple as that and got a child because of obedience. How is she more deserving of respect?

 

[EverlastingWinter]

Brad I have to ask you here, what did Mary do that made her so special, so super righteous? All she did was to do the thing we are to do. She obeyed God. And she did not count the cost. Beyond that, she did nothing unusual. She raised children, she cleaned, she cooked, she argued with her neighbors, went shopping.....and so on. She was blessed by God in that she became the doorway to Jesus entrance into the Earth. Special status? No Rewards in heaven Yes Someone for us to revere? No. Someone to emulate? Ok

How many woman do that on a day to day basis now? Those acts, she never was super righteous. She was very modest.

 

[EverlastingWinter]

Mary is an incredible woman and was the most modest of them all, biblically speaking. Try reading true devotions to Mary by Luis de Montfort in order to discover a bit about her before you state that she is insignificant.
She should be a woman most woman and girls be inspired by, well, those that which to follow the path with the Lord. Nowadays she needs to be more well known.

 

[EverlastingWinter]

And then what? Another virgin who met the right requirements would have to be found, and when she also didn't want the honor, another one would have to be found, etc., etc. And by the way, the Father didn't even honor His son's decision when He said that He didn't want to go through with the crucifixion plan.

Jesus asked if it to be done, let it be done. Though he wished it wasn't the case. Please don't mix this up with him asking not to go through with it.....

 

[Brad Huber]

Ok If you don't want to answer my question, try this one.....How is Mary more deserving of respect than the man who obeyed God and got his head chopped off? Or the person who obeyed God and made a million bucks from it. Or the child who obeyed his mother and stood up to the bullies? She obeyed simple as that and got a child because of obedience. How is she more deserving of respect?

Its not that she is deserving "more" respect, but she deserves the same respect you would give to those kind of people, and thats whats missing imo.

 

[EverlastingWinter]

and she could have refused. God would have honored her decision.

No one denies God, take what happened to Moses seriously...

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Mary is an incredible woman and was the most modest of them all, biblically speaking. Try reading true devotions to Mary by Luis de Montfort in order to discover a bit about her before you state that she is insignificant.
She should be a woman most woman and girls be inspired by, well, those that which to follow the path with the Lord. Nowadays she needs to be more well known.

The bible says all about Mary that we need. Books idolizing her are not needed

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

No one denies God, take what happened to Moses seriously...

We're not talking about Moses....and I don't even know which event you're referring to. People refuse God all the time...

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Its not that she is deserving "more" respect, but she deserves the same respect you would give to those kind of people, and thats whats missing imo.

Well then, Brad....nothing is missing. I simply refuse to give Mary a status she does not have, for example, she is not God's mother. She is not an intercessor for us, keeping God from smooshing us into paste and so on. She is simply a woman who obeyed Gods wish and acted as a doorway for Jesus into this world...Thats where her work was acomplished.

 

[EverlastingWinter]

Well then, Brad....nothing is missing. I simply refuse to give Mary a status she does not have, for example, she is not God's mother. She is not an intercessor for us, keeping God from smooshing us into paste and so on. She is simply a woman who obeyed Gods wish and acted as a doorway for Jesus into this world...Thats where her work was acomplished.

Exactly, she was a simple woman........ who obeyed, how many do nowadays? She is one of the best woman who ever existed.

 

[EverlastingWinter]

The bible says all about Mary that we need. Books idolizing her are not needed

Then that will go, under your opinion, that any other book is not needed for any other person within the Bible. Not just Holy Mary, if it is your opinion then so be it.

The book doesn't idolize her as that would be a sin, it states what she did in her Earth days that made her inspirational... Some people love Holy Mary as a spiritual Mother... their is no problem with that.

 

[EverlastingWinter]

We're not talking about Moses....and I don't even know which event you're referring to. People refuse God all the time...

Directly? And if so, does it end particularly well? I am just providing contrast to you, seen as your very bias against one person due to the catholic side. One of the only woman that are faithful and loyal to God as well... sure theirs many but most show some selfishness, greed or envy within the Bible. Holy Mary does not. You cant just sway opinions to suit your stance.

 

[MedicBravo]

In Heaven or New Jerusalem we'll meet all these people.
I'm sure 99.99% of people here are far more interesting meeting:
Jesus
Adam and Eve
Moses
The 12 but not Judas.
Many others who "obeyed" and went through things we'd have caved for.

Would we turn down meeting her but the idea of her status being "more" is nowhere in Scripture.
There's no "Book of Mary".

This tends to delve into talking about Catholics and you'll find a lot of what they do is NOT in the Bible.
It's "tradition" and almost every Catholic will give you that excuse.

 

[EverlastingWinter]

In Heaven or New Jerusalem we'll meet all these people.
I'm sure 99.99% of people here are far more interesting meeting:
Jesus
Adam and Eve
Moses
The 12 but not Judas.
Many others who "obeyed" and went through things we'd have caved for.

Would we turn down meeting her but the idea of her status being "more" is nowhere in Scripture.
There's no "Book of Mary".

This tends to delve into talking about Catholics and you'll find a lot of what they do is NOT in the Bible.
It's "tradition" and almost every Catholic will give you that excuse.

Figures you'd choose a woman who was deceived by the devil and played a role in the first sin in the world, rather than an actual representation of faith in God's eyes.

When it comes to women in the Bible, she is the one who is most admired. Yes, idolization is a sin; however, having someone who is inspirational and should be represented is a GOOD thing, especially nowadays when many female role models in the media are not ideal.

People aspire to be like her, to emulate her virtues. However, it can be nearly impossible to attain such a level of obedience. Even most nuns would find it challenging to be as devoted as she was.

You can argue all you like, but perhaps you should stop viewing her through a purely Catholic lens since she wasn't Catholic in the first place! I will never ignore posts that desecrate her.

I know your aware some people idolize other Saints, parade bones around and so on. It is all wrong, not just with Holy Mary. Try and separate your biases. In fact She would dislike this significantly, as she was significantly modest.

I learned about Holy Mary with the KVJ, NIV and so on. Not the Catholic Bible...

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Directly? And if so, does it end particularly well? I am just providing contrast to you, seen as your very bias against one person due to the catholic side. One of the only woman that are faithful and loyal to God as well... sure theirs many but most show some selfishness, greed or envy within the Bible. Holy Mary does not. You cant just sway opinions to suit your stance.

Wow....and you presume to tell me what I think and why I think it? What arrogance! Read the Word about Mary. She was just a woman who chose to obey God. She was not special, just obedient. She honored God. She did what we should be doing, and mostly don't. Wake up!!

 

[Brad Huber]

Well then, Brad....nothing is missing. I simply refuse to give Mary a status she does not have, for example, she is not God's mother. She is not an intercessor for us, keeping God from smooshing us into paste and so on. She is simply a woman who obeyed Gods wish and acted as a doorway for Jesus into this world...Thats where her work was acomplished.

She took on the role of mother of Jesus. Jesus is part of the trinity, correct? Although she was not the mother of Jesus in the beginning, she was still His mother here on earth.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

She took on the role of mother of Jesus. Jesus is part of the trinity, correct? Although she was not the mother of Jesus in the beginning, she was still His mother here on earth.

and that makes her the mother of God? That's a real stretch. And its not what the Word says. Jesus had to come into Earth physically and Mary became the portal for Him to do that...A man sinned so a man had to pay and that's why Jesus needed a body....He existed before so Mary did not mother him. He already was...Mary birthed a baby that Jesus lived in.