No Tribulation Temple On The Earth

[Stephen1]

Jesus refers to the holy "place" and says that there must be correct understanding of what He is saying. He does not say the "temple", but refers to the holy "place" [Matthew 24:15]

Pronunciation Guide
topos {top'-os}
TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 8:187,1184
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space
a) an inhabited place, as a city, village, district
b) a place (passage) in a book

Pronunciation Guide
anaginosko {an-ag-in-oce'-ko}
TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 1:343,55
from 303 and 1097
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to distinguish between, to recognise, to know accurately, to acknowledge
2) to read

Pronunciation Guide
noeo {no-eh'-o}
TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 4:948,636
from 3563
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to perceive with the mind, to understand, to have understanding
2) to think upon, heed, ponder, consider

The Place of the Lord's Sanctuary
Daniel's visions reference the same place at the time of the end. [Daniel 8:11, 8:13]

Pronunciation Guide
makown {maw-kone'}
TWOT Reference Root Word
TWOT - 964c
from 03559
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) fixed or established place, foundation
a) fixed place
b) foundation

Pronunciation Guide
miqdash {mik-dawsh'}
TWOT Reference Root Word
TWOT - 1990f
from 06942
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) sacred place, sanctuary, holy place
a) of the temple
b) of the tabernacle
c) of Ezekiel's temple
d) of Jehovah

The temple of the man of lawlessness
Paul's reference to the man of lawlwssness and the temple he will sit in. [2Thessolonians 2:4]

Pronunciation Guide
naos {nah-os'}
TDNT Reference Root Word
TDNT - 4:880,625
from a primary naio (to dwell)
Outline of Biblical Usage

1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure)

2) any heathen temple or shrine

3) metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ


I would suggest that one consider the possibility of the holy place referred to in the setting of the 70th week is the temple mount area and not a re-built edifice (temple). The actual temple was destroyed in the first century and is no longer there. It is possible that the man of lawlessness will sit in the temple of his god, showing that he is god. There are no instructions contained in Scripture to re-build a temple for the Lord before He establishes His millennial Kingdom. There are instructions for re-building in this future time frame. [Ezekiel 40-48]

It is possible that something could be re-built by the Jews to be in place during the 70th week. It is also possible that the current setting of the temple mount only may be in view. If so, then we may be closer to the Lord's return than some think. The current situation in the Middle East is not conducive to placing a Jewish temple on the mount and if current events move directly into the 70th week, then it is unlikely for re-building to take place during the Lord's hour of trial.

The temple is seen in Revelation several times during the tribulation on earth, but it is God's temple in heaven and not one on the earth. In fact, the outer court of the temple mount on the earth is "without" God's temple (there will be a temple there that is not God's and the man of lawlessness will sit in it) and the mount (holy place) will be trampled (controlled) by the little horn and his followers during his 42 month rule. [Revelation 11:1-2, 11:19, 14:15-17, 15:5-8, 16:17]

The first 1,260 days will include Satan's bid for control over the earth through his agents and followers. This period will be an extreme time of devastation and destruction including the fall of the "great city" of the Gentiles (nations) and the release of millions of Satan's angelic hosts. The Lord will continue to harbor (protect) national Israel from invasion and occupation (this has been the case since 1948 up to this day) until just before midweek. Satan's pawns will then be in position without opposition to invade, occupy, and add the Holy Land, Jerusalem, and the temple mount area to his dominion.

 

[Bambi]

70th week future or fullfilled

I've been studying Revelation over the summer. I've have always believed that the Rature would take place first, then 7 years of Tribulation and finally the 1000 years reign.

I don't believe that anymore.

It all started when I saw the title above on a website I was searching for another reason. I ignored it. I heard it all I didn't want to know another interpretation.

But the Lord came bring it to mind so I read it.

The 70th week of Daniel has been fullfilled. It happened 3 1/2 years before the Cross and 3 1/2 years after the cross.

If you look to Daniel 9:24, you will see that the angel tells Daniel what the 70 weeks are all about. No where in that verse does it talk about the rebuilding of a temple, nor does it talk about any Anti-Christ.

In verse 27 the He is Christ. At the Last Supper Christ says, "a new testament" which also means "a new covenant". Hebrews 8:13, it mentions "a new covenant". Also in Hebrews Chapters 10, 12 and 13 talk about this.

Christ death ceased the need for sacrifices, but because the Jews rejected him as their Messiah they continued with the sacrifices. Their sacrifices became an abomination till 70 A.D. when Titus and the Roman armies destroyed the City and temple.

If you look in Revelation you will not find anything pertaining to an Anti-Christ that makes a covenant with the nation of Israel.

I can't pinpoint anything else right now, because I'm still studying this book. But I can't believe what I use to believe anymore.

 

[Stephen1]

Bambi,

There will be no tribulation temple of the Lord's on the earth ..... He said not one stone would be left standing ..... at the time of the end, which is still pending [all of Matthew 24 is about the time of the end and not 70 A.D.

The temple referred to in Revelation 11:1 and all of the other references noted describe the Lord's temple in heaven

And those who dwell in heaven and that will be worshiping therein will be today's church during the tribulation period [Revelation 4.5.7:9,11,12,19, and 20:4 (those on thrones)]

I would suggest to you that the 70th week decreed for national Israel is still a future time frame .... so you should reconsider your position on this issue

The Lord will confirm the 70 weeks of years by executing the 70th week Himself .... the other prince is the "antichrist" [Daniel 9:24-27] .... He is the one "cut off" and the "He" who will confirm

It is the Lord who will confirm and reach the 6 objectives for the believing remnant part of national Israel .... it is the other prince, the human little horn, who will come to desecrate .... he and his followers will invade and occupy Israel at the middle of the 70th week for 42 months [last half of the coming tribulation period]

Daniel's vision repeats .... the Messiah Prince ["cut off one"], then the "other" prince .... and then again: .... He [the Lord] shall confirm .... and he [the little horn] will come to desecrate

So the covenant confirmed is the 70 weeks of years .... not some sort peace treaty between Israel and the nation's enemies

I have a great amount of detail on this subject and related at my blog listed on this forum and you can study it if you like

Stephen

 

[Bambi]

Questions??

Bambi,

It is the Lord who will confirm and reach the 6 objectives for the believing remnant part of national Israel .... it is the other prince, the human little horn, who will come to desecrate .... he and his followers will invade and occupy Israel at the middle of the 70th week for 42 months [last half of the coming tribulation period]

I have a great amount of detail on this subject and related at my blog listed on this forum and you can study it if you like

Stephen

I can't figure out how to get to your blog. So I'll ask some questions. What 6 objectives are you referring too?

What will be desecrated?

 

[Stephen1]

You can access my website at
The covenant confirmed in Daniel 9 has to be the covenant of the 70 weeks of years decreed for Israel in the context of the chapter .... there is no other covenant described

.... and there is no indication that this covenant is some sort of peace treaty between Israel and the nation's enemies

Only the Lord can confirm this covenant by executing the 70th week .... thereby reaching the 6 objectives for the believing remnant of Israel who will turn to Him during His hour [time] of trial

Visionary prophecy must be read carefully and in this case [Daniel 9:26-27] one needs to see that there are two princes involved .... the Lord .... and the other prince

It is the Lord who was cut off at the end of the 69th week

Then it is the other prince and His followers who will come and desecrate [at the middle of the future 70th week]

The vision then repeats this same contrast

The Lord ["He"] confirms the covenant [the other prince cannot do this and would not because of the objectives that will be met]

Then the other prince ["he"] will cause the sacrifice to cease [worship at the Kotel .... western wall of the mount] and to desolate [at the middle of the week]

This other prince is the "antichrist" and he and his followers will invade, occupy and rule over Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount for 42 months [note Revelation 11:2] just before the Lord will pour out His wrath upon the desolaters

None of the 70th week of 2,520 days has transpired yet and is still pending

In fact, there is a breach in the time lapse that can be found in all the the prophetic visions related to the time of the end of this present age

Events on the earth between the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th are not recorded in the scope of visionary prophecy ... many significant things have come and gone over the last 2,000 years and they are simply not there

For example: Daniel's visions track the geopolitical phases of the Middle East through the end of the rule of Antiochus IV [11:21-35] .... and then the rest of the unfulfilled portion jumps directly to the time of the end [still pending today] [Daniel 7:7; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7]


Daniel
9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people [Israel] and upon thy holy city [Jerusalem], to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy [the 6 objectives for the believing remnant part of Israel].

9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [the Lord] shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah [the Lord] be cut off [completion of the first 69 weeks of years .... 483 years], but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come [the little horn/"antichrist"] shall destroy the city and the sanctuary [at the mddle of the future 70th week]; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

9:27 And he [the Lord] shall confirm the covenant [of the 70 weeks of years decreed] with many [the belierving remnant part of Israel] for one week the 70th]: and in the midst of the week he [the other prince] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [stop the believing remnant of Israel from worshiping at the great synagogue at the base of the western wall of the temple mount], and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate [he and his people will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount], even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [the Lord will turn on him and his followers and destroy them at Armageddon just at the ending of his 42 month rule .... last 1,260 days of the 70th week].


I would also suggest that you read the controversial article information at the beginning of my website regarding the 70 x 7s

 

[Bambi]

Agree

You can access my website at The covenant confirmed in Daniel 9 has to be the covenant of the 70 weeks of years decreed for Israel in the context of the chapter .... there is no other covenant described

.... and there is no indication that this covenant is some sort of peace treaty between Israel and the nation's enemies

Only the Lord can confirm this covenant by executing the 70th week

I agree that there is no indication that a covenant is made between Israel and it's enemies. Nor do they make a covenant with an Anti-Christ figure.

 

[Bambi]

Questions and Disagreements

.... thereby reaching the 6 objectives for the believing remnant of Israel who will turn to Him during His hour [time] of trial


It is the Lord who was cut off at the end of the 69th week

Then it is the other prince and His followers who will come and desecrate [at the middle of the future 70th week]


This other prince is the "antichrist" and he and his followers will invade, occupy and rule over Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount for 42 months [note Revelation 11:2] just before the Lord will pour out His wrath upon the desolaters

What 6 objectives do you refer too?

Not the end of the 69th week, but after.

What does the prince desecrate?

I disagree with your interpretation of Rev 11:2.

 

[Stephen1]

The 6 objectives for the "many" ..... the believing remnant part of Israel [Daniel's people .... not the church ] ..... will be met during the coming 70th week ..... all 6 are listed in Daniel 9:24

Israel is in unbelief today and has been since the Lord's first advent for the nmost part .... this is going to change during the tribulation period

Desecrate means to usurp the Lord's position an relationship with regard to Jerusalem and the temple mount [the holy place in Israel] .... satan's beast and his followers will commit this desecration

What is your interpretation of Revelation 11:2?

 

[Bambi]

Do you believe that the 6 objectives have not been fulfilled at all? If so, what objectives did Christ's death on the cross have?

The 6 objectives for the "many" ..... the believing remnant part of Israel [Daniel's people .... not the church ] ..... will be met during the coming 70th week ..... all 6 are listed in Daniel 9:24

Israel is in unbelief today and has been since the Lord's first advent for the most part .... this is going to change during the tribulation period

Desecrate means to usurp the Lord's position an relationship with regard to Jerusalem and the temple mount [the holy place in Israel] .... satan's beast and his followers will commit this desecration

What is your interpretation of Revelation 11:2?

What is the Lord's position?

Just by reading Revelation 11:1-2, where do you see the Anti-Christ?

 

[Stephen1]

The objectives in Daniel 9 with regard to the 70 weeks of years are all about ethnic national Israel at the coming time of the end .... these objectives will specifically be met for a believing remnant part of the nation at the time

The scope of the vision does not involve the church of both Israelite and Gentile ... a totally different subject altogether

Those who fail to see this distinction will never grasp the comprehensive and correct rendering of Bible prophecy

I would suggest that you resource the following example endtime events related to Israel:

Psalms 83
Isaiah 11
Jeremiah 30
Ezekiel 36,37,38,39
Daniel 9,12
Micah 5
Zechariah 12,13,14
Matthew 24
Mark 13
Luke 21
Romans 11
Revelation 12

National Israel is a separate thread that runs throughout the prophetic scriptures from the nation's beginnings, its past, present, and future

One must keep in mind that the Lord is a national ethnic Israelite by His humanity and He is the nation's Messiah and King .... some of the nation will turn and accept Him during the last and 70th week decreed

There are those who attempt to mix national Israel and the church [replacement theology] and this approach will only end in failure to grasp the correct rendering of the prophetic scriptures .... mixing is only vaild with regard to matters of salvation, but not with regard for distinct national contrast with all of the other nations of the world [the Gentiles, heathen]

Many scriptures have to be gleaned for identifying the "antichrist" .... both O.T. and N.T. .... not just Revelation 11:1-2

For exmple, 11:7 is a reference to this entity .... he is the first beast of Revelation, a fallen angelic [Revelation 9:11, 13:1, 17:8] .... this fallen angelic is satan's "antichrist" who will be manifested in a human king of the northern Middle East .... the little horn of Daniel's visions

Stephen

 

[Bambi]

There is neither Jew nor Gentile.

The objectives in Daniel 9 with regard to the 70 weeks of years are all about ethnic national Israel at the coming time of the end .... these objectives will specifically be met for a believing remnant part of the nation at the time

The scope of the vision does not involve the church of both Israelite and Gentile ... a totally different subject altogether

National Israel is a separate thread that runs throughout the prophetic scriptures from the nation's beginnings, its past, present, and future

There are those who attempt to mix national Israel and the church [replacement theology] and this approach will only end in failure to grasp the correct rendering of the prophetic scriptures .... mixing is only vaild with regard to matters of salvation, but not with regard for distinct national contrast with all of the other nations of the world [the Gentiles, heathen]

Stephen

I disagree, the plan has always been from the start to reconcile man back to God. God's plan was to elect a particular nation to show his plans. Everything in the Old Testament was a shadow of the New Testament.


Gal 3:1-29
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Stephen1]

Sorry,

You and I will just have to disagree

I typically do not debate on public forums

 

[MightyAngel1]

Jesus refers to the holy "place" and says that there must be correct understanding of what He is saying. He does not say the "temple", but refers to the holy "place" [Matthew 24:15]

I would suggest that one consider the possibility of the holy place referred to in the setting of the 70th week is the temple mount area and not a re-built edifice (temple). The actual temple was destroyed in the first century and is no longer there. It is possible that the man of lawlessness will sit in the temple of his god, showing that he is god. There are no instructions contained in Scripture to re-build a temple for the Lord before He establishes His millennial Kingdom. There are instructions for re-building in this future time frame. [Ezekiel 40-48]

Howdy Stephen1!

May I suggest that you read Acts 15:14-18. God says that He will return and rebuild the Tabernacle of David in this passage of Scripture.

Stephen1--It is possible that something could be re-built by the Jews to be in place during the 70th week. It is also possible that the current setting of the temple mount only may be in view. If so, then we may be closer to the Lord's return than some think. The current situation in the Middle East is not conducive to placing a Jewish temple on the mount and if current events move directly into the 70th week, then it is unlikely for re-building to take place during the Lord's hour of trial.

This is why the peace convenant is signed at the beginning of the Tribulation period so that the Tabernacle of David can be rebuilt on the Temple Mount. See Daniel 9:27.

Stephen1--The temple is seen in Revelation several times during the tribulation on earth, but it is God's temple in heaven and not one on the earth. In fact, the outer court of the temple mount on the earth is "without" God's temple (there will be a temple there that is not God's and the man of lawlessness will sit in it) and the mount (holy place) will be trampled (controlled) by the little horn and his followers during his 42 month rule. [Revelation 11:1-2, 11:19, 14:15-17, 15:5-8, 16:17]

May I suggest that you read Luke 1:32-33. God the Father will give to His Son, Jesus Christ, The Throne of His Father David. This is why the Tabernacle of David is rebuilt at the beginning of the Tribulation period.

When Christ returns, He will sit on the Throne of this Tabernacle after entering into this rebuilt Tabernacle from the Eastern Gate after He sets His feet on the Mount of Olives. See Psalm 24:7-11, 2 Samuel 7:16, and Jechariah 14:4-5.

Stephen1--The first 1,260 days will include Satan's bid for control over the earth through his agents and followers. This period will be an extreme time of devastation and destruction including the fall of the "great city" of the Gentiles (nations) and the release of millions of Satan's angelic hosts. The Lord will continue to harbor (protect) national Israel from invasion and occupation (this has been the case since 1948 up to this day) until just before midweek. Satan's pawns will then be in position without opposition to invade, occupy, and add the Holy Land, Jerusalem, and the temple mount area to his dominion.

This extreme time of devastation is the very reason why all believers in Christ do not go through this time. We are in Heaven when this devastation occurs standing before the Judgment Seat of Christ. Revelation 4:2-3, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10, and 1 Corinthians 3:11-15.

God Bless You!

 

[MightyAngel1]

Bambi,

There will be no tribulation temple of the Lord's on the earth ..... He said not one stone would be left standing ..... at the time of the end, which is still pending [all of Matthew 24 is about the time of the end and not 70 A.D.

Howdy Stephen1!

Again, Please read Acts 15:14-18 and Hosea 3:4-5. The Jewish people in the Tribulation period will seek after God and David their King with a rebuilt Temple.

Stephen1--The temple referred to in Revelation 11:1 and all of the other references noted describe the Lord's temple in heaven

This is not correct. The Temple referred to in Revelation 11:1-2 is the Rebuilt Tabernacle of David who Elijah and Enoch will stand in front of prophesying for 3 and 1/2 years or 42 months.

The Point to remember here is that the Jewish Temple has two parts. The inner court for the Jews and the outer court for the Gentiles. Why? It is a violation of Jewish Law for a Gentile to set foot into the inner court.

Stephen1--And those who dwell in heaven and that will be worshiping therein will be today's church during the tribulation period [Revelation 4.5.7:9,11,12,19, and 20:4 (those on thrones)]

No, They will not be in today's Church. There are 2 groups in Heaven right now as we speak. The Panagureis and the Ekklesia. The Panagureis are the General Assembly of the KJV or Great Festal Assembly of the Waymouth New Testament (Jews) and the Church (Gentiles) of the Firstborn.

Stephen1--I would suggest to you that the 70th week decreed for national Israel is still a future time frame .... so you should reconsider your position on this issue

The Lord will confirm the 70 weeks of years by executing the 70th week Himself .... the other prince is the "antichrist" [Daniel 9:24-27] .... He is the one "cut off" and the "He" who will confirm

It is the Lord who will confirm and reach the 6 objectives for the believing remnant part of national Israel .... it is the other prince, the human little horn, who will come to desecrate .... he and his followers will invade and occupy Israel at the middle of the 70th week for 42 months [last half of the coming tribulation period]

The Bible is very clear. The He that was cut off is Christ. Daniel 9:26. The he that confirms the covenant with many one week is the man of sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:3. He will be revealed to the world after the rapture takes place. 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 and Acts 15:17.

Stephen1--Daniel's vision repeats .... the Messiah Prince ["cut off one"], then the "other" prince .... and then again: .... He [the Lord] shall confirm .... and he [the little horn] will come to desecrate

So the covenant confirmed is the 70 weeks of years .... not some sort peace treaty between Israel and the nation's enemies

Without the Peace treaty signed between the man of sin and Israel, The Tabernacle of David will not be rebuilt. The Muslims will not allow their temple to be removed without this peace treaty in place.

Stephen1--I have a great amount of detail on this subject and related at my blog listed on this forum and you can study it if you like Stephen

I think you need to do some more homework in studying the relationship between the muslims and the Jews.

God Bless You!

 

[Bambi]

Howdy Stephen1!

Again, Please read Acts 15:14-18 and Hosea 3:4-5. The Jewish people in the Tribulation period will seek after God and David their King with a rebuilt Temple.

This is not correct. The Temple referred to in Revelation 11:1-2 is the Rebuilt Tabernacle of David who Elijah and Enoch will stand in front of prophesying for 3 and 1/2 years or 42 months.

The Point to remember here is that the Jewish Temple has two parts. The inner court for the Jews and the outer court for the Gentiles. Why? It is a violation of Jewish Law for a Gentile to set foot into the inner court.

No, They will not be in today's Church. There are 2 groups in Heaven right now as we speak. The Panagureis and the Ekklesia. The Panagureis are the General Assembly of the KJV or Great Festal Assembly of the Waymouth New Testament (Jews) and the Church (Gentiles) of the Firstborn.

The Bible is very clear. The He that was cut off is Christ. Daniel 9:26. The he that confirms the covenant with many one week is the man of sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:3. He will be revealed to the world after the rapture takes place. 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 and Acts 15:17.

Without the Peace treaty signed between the man of sin and Israel, The Tabernacle of David will not be rebuilt. The Muslims will not allow their temple to be removed without this peace treaty in place.

I think you need to do some more homework in studying the relationship between the muslims and the Jews.

God Bless You!

I have a few questions. What is the tabernacle of David? When did David ever build a tabernacle? Are you sure David isn't really meaning Christ?
Acts 15:16
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Who is the "I" in this verse?

What is a Panagurel?


The 70th week of Daniel is not a Seven year Tribulation time period. If you look in verse 9:24 Gabriel tells Daniel what the 70 weeks are all about.

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks (Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:4-6) A days equals a year.

are determined upon thy people (Acts 3:25-26, 13:46, Roms 1:16) Jews

and upon thy holy city, Jerusalem

to finish the transgression (Isa 53:5, Matt 23:32-35),
The Cross

and to make an end of sins (Rom chapter 6, 2 Cor 5:21, 1 Pet 2:24, Heb 10:12-14) The Cross

and to make reconciliation for iniquity, (Rom 5:8-10, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, Co 1:20, Hebrews 2:17)
The Cross

and to bring in everlasting righteousness, (Rom 8:1-4, Heb 1:8, 2 Corin 5:21), The Cross

and to seal up the vision and prophecy, (Acts 3:18, 2 Corin 1:21-22, Eph 1:13, Heb 8:10-13),
The Fulfillment of all Prophesies concerning Christ

and to anoint the most Holy. (Luke 4:18-21) God acknowledging Who Jesus is.

No where in that verse does it talk about the temple or an Anti-Christ.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant (Matt 26:28, Mrk 14:24, Lk 22:20, 1 Corin 11:25, 2 Corin 3:6, 14, Heb 7:22,9:15-20, 10:16-23) Jesus makes the covenant that will last for eternity.

with many for one week: Christ makes these things happen during a 7 year period. All because of what he does on the cross.

and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (Heb Chapter 9 & 10(10: 18, 26) Christ death on the cross ended the need for sacrifices and oblations

and for the overspreading of abominations
(Example: Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.) he shall make it desolate, The sacrifices the Jews made after the cross are the abominations. They don't mean anything anymore.

even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was accomplished because the soldiers were upset at the Jews and what they were doing so that, that Titus had no control over his men and everything was destroyed Dan 9:26b ...and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[MightyAngel1]

I have a few questions.

Howdy Bambi!

Ok, Shoot!

Bambi--What is the tabernacle of David?

The Tabernacle of David is King David's Temple that is rebuilt at the beginning of the Tribulation period after the end of the Church Age.

Bambi--When did David ever build a tabernacle?

He didn't. God would not allow him to do so because of his sin of adultery. However, God did promise to build David's Temple. See 2 Samuel 7:11. We see this described in Acts 15:16. When the rebuilding begins, Elijah has returned bringing back the Law of Moses. See Daniel 9:27 and Malachi 4:4-6.

Bambi--Are you sure David isn't really meaning Christ?

Yes, I am sure. King David is King David and Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Hosea 3:4-5

4. For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim.
5. Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek after the Lord their God, and David their King; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.

The Children of Israel in the latter days according to the above passage of Scripture will seek after the Lord their God, AND David their King. Therefore, according to Scripture, Jesus Christ and King David are not the same person.

Jacob's Seed multiplied as the dust of the earth will be the Seed of Abraham who will seek after the Lord their God, AND David their King through Worship with the 7 Feasts of the Lord of Leviticus 23 during the first half of Daniel's 70th Week.

Bambi--Acts 15:16
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Who is the "I" in this verse?

God the Father and Jesus Christ. They return together for the Rapture of all believers in Christ before the Tribulation period begins. Titus 2:13.

Bambi--What is a Panagurel?

A Panagureis is a Jewish believer in Jesus Christ who keeps the Commandments of God and has the faith of Jesus Christ. These Jewish believers are Abraham's Seed through Jacob's seed multiplied as the dust of the earth who are the Promised Seed called in Isaac. See Genesis 21:12, Romans 9:7, and Hebrews 11:18.

We also see the panagureis in Acts 2 in the upper room, Acts 2:41, Hebrews 12:23 and Revelation 14:12. The Panagureis are the Jewish believers in the New Testament period and the Tribulation period who keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus. The 144,000 of Revelation 7 are the Panagureis who fulfill the prophecy of Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:14 during the first half of Daniel's 70th Week.

God Bless You!

 

[Bambi]

Howdy Bambi!

Ok, Shoot!

The Tabernacle of David is King David's Temple that is rebuilt at the beginning of the Tribulation period after the end of the Church Age.

He didn't. God would not allow him to do so because of his sin of adultery. However, God did promise to build David's Temple. See 2 Samuel 7:11. We see this described in Acts 15:16. When the rebuilding begins, Elijah has returned bringing back the Law of Moses. See Daniel 9:27 and Malachi 4:4-6.

Yes, I am sure. King David is King David and Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Hosea 3:4-5

4. For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim.
5. Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek after the Lord their God, and David their King; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.

The Children of Israel in the latter days according to the above passage of Scripture will seek after the Lord their God, AND David their King. Therefore, according to Scripture, Jesus Christ and King David are not the same person.

Jacob's Seed multiplied as the dust of the earth will be the Seed of Abraham who will seek after the Lord their God, AND David their King through Worship with the 7 Feasts of the Lord of Leviticus 23 during the first half of Daniel's 70th Week.

God the Father and Jesus Christ. They return together for the Rapture of all believers in Christ before the Tribulation period begins. Titus 2:13.

A Panagureis is a Jewish believer in Jesus Christ who keeps the Commandments of God and has the faith of Jesus Christ. These Jewish believers are Abraham's Seed through Jacob's seed multiplied as the dust of the earth who are the Promised Seed called in Isaac. See Genesis 21:12, Romans 9:7, and Hebrews 11:18.

We also see the panagureis in Acts 2 in the upper room, Acts 2:41, Hebrews 12:23 and Revelation 14:12. The Panagureis are the Jewish believers in the New Testament period and the Tribulation period who keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus. The 144,000 of Revelation 7 are the Panagureis who fulfill the prophecy of Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:14 during the first half of Daniel's 70th Week.

God Bless You!

In 2 Samuel 7:11 I don’t agree with your interpretation. He is not referring to a temple. He is referring to David’s descendant. There are a lot of passages in Psalms that are quoted by David of himself, but is a prophecy of Christ. Here are some examples. Ps 8:6/Heb 2:8, Ps 22:1/Matt 27:46, Ps 22:7-8/Luke 23:35, Ps 22:16/John 20:25,27.

If you look in the first chapter of Hosea it was written before the Jews were taken to Babylon. The prophecy you quote was fulfilled before and during Christ’s first appearance. Most if not all Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled during this time. The Jews return to their homeland. They did return from Babylon. The city and temple were both rebuilt. Look at Ezra and Nehemiah. It happened just like it was prophesied.

The rapture happens after the last trump. 1 Corinthians 15:52. There are seven trumpets in Revelation that have to occur before the rapture takes place. Also in 2 Peter chapter 3, Christ is delaying his return till the last beloved repents and when he returns the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works shall be burned.


There is no division in the body of Christ.

Rom 10:12, Col 3:11.

Christ is Abraham’s Seed.
Gal 3:7, Gal 3:16, Gal 3:26, Gal 3:28-29

 

[MightyAngel1]

In 2 Samuel 7:11 I don’t agree with your interpretation.

Howdy Bambi!

Wonderful. I did not say you had to agree.

Bambi--He is not referring to a temple. He is referring to David’s descendant.

Really? Well, Let us take a look at this verse and see for ourselves. Ok?

2 Samuel 7:11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee a house.

The context here tells us that Nathan is speaking to King David. Not Solomon. Solomon is addressed in 2 Samuel 7:12-15. Then, Kind David is referenced again in 2 Samuel 7:16-17. The Bible says so did Nathan speak unto David in verse 17. Not Solomon.

Bambi--There are a lot of passages in Psalms that are quoted by David of himself, but is a prophecy of Christ. Here are some examples. Ps 8:6/Heb 2:8, Ps 22:1/Matt 27:46, Ps 22:7-8/Luke 23:35, Ps 22:16/John 20:25,27.

Well of course we do. And, We do because of the Law of Double reference.

Bambi--If you look in the first chapter of Hosea it was written before the Jews were taken to Babylon. The prophecy you quote was fulfilled before and during Christ’s first appearance. Most if not all Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled during this time. The Jews return to their homeland. They did return from Babylon. The city and temple were both rebuilt. Look at Ezra and Nehemiah. It happened just like it was prophesied.

In Scripture, Prophesies regarding destruction are repeated regarding the Jewish Temple. For an example, Solomon's Temple was destroyed and King Herod's Temple was destroyed.

The Prophesies concerning Christ's First Advent were fulfilled along with the First 4 Feasts of the Lord of Leviticus 23. At Christ's First Advent, Christ fulfilled the following Feasts of the Lord...

1) The Feast of Passover
2) The Feast of Unleavened bread
3) The Feast of First Fruits
4) The Feast of Pentecost in Acts 2

Christ's Second Advent Prophesies of the Old Testament and the last 3 Feasts of the Lord of Leviticus 23 have not been fulfilled yet by Christ. These 3 Feasts are...

5) The Feast of Trumpets
6) The Feast of the Great Day of Atonement
7) The Feast of Tabernacles

Bambi--The rapture happens after the last trump. 1 Corinthians 15:52. There are seven trumpets in Revelation that have to occur before the rapture takes place.

And, In the Book of Revelation, All 7 Trumpets are blown by created Angels. The Last Trumpet blown in the Book of Revelation is blown by a created angel.

Matter of fact, The created Angels blow the Trumpet in Matthew 24:31 when they gather the Seed of Jacob multiplied as the dust of the earth after the Tribulation period.

Now, Are you claiming that Jesus Christ is a created Angel? Christ speaks as a Trumpet in 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Christ is the Son of God. Not a created Angel.

You are correct when you say that there are 7 Trumpets blown during the Tribulation period. Once again, These 7 Trumpets are blown by created angels. And, There is a trumpet blown by created angels after the Tribulation period.

So, Who speaks as a Trumpet in Revelation 4:1 before the Tribulation period begins?

Bambi--Also in 2 Peter chapter 3, Christ is delaying his return till the last beloved repents and when he returns the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works shall be burned.

Ok, So, Where will you be?

Bambi--There is no division in the body of Christ.

Rom 10:12, Col 3:11.

The Bible does not declare what you claim. The Bible specifically states that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek. The Bible does not say there is no division. The Panagureis and Ekklesia are both in Christ. Both have One Faith, One Lord, and One Baptism.

1) The Panagureis keep the Commandments of God and have the Faith of Jesus.
2) The Ekklesia have the Faith of Jesus.

So, Where do you see a division? The Ekklesia are fellowcitizens with the panagureis in the Spiritual Kingdom of God. Ephesians 2:19. Will you say that you disagree with the Apostle Paul?

Bambi--Christ is Abraham’s Seed.
Gal 3:7, Gal 3:16, Gal 3:26, Gal 3:28-29

You forgot one. 2 Timothy 2:15. We are commanded to rightly divide the Holy Word of God. Isaac is Abraham's seed. And, So is Jacob Abraham's Seed through Isaac.

And, Christ is Abraham's Seed called in Isaac. Genesis 21:12, Romans 9:7, and Hebrews 11:18.

So, I have a question for you. Who is this seed in Galatians 3:7?

Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Here are your choices...

1) Abraham's Seed multiplied as the dust of the earth. Genesis 13:16.
2) Abraham's Seed multiplied as the stars of the Heaven. Genesis 15:4-5.
3) Isaac's Seed multiplied as the stars of the Heaven. Genesis 26:4.
4) Jacob's Seed multiplied as the dust of the earth. Genesis 28:14.

Note: There is only one correct answer.

God Bless You!

 

[Bambi]

Howdy Bambi!
The context here tells us that Nathan is speaking to King David. Not Solomon. Solomon is addressed in 2 Samuel 7:12-15. Then, Kind David is referenced again in 2 Samuel 7:16-17. The Bible says so did Nathan speak unto David in verse 17. Not Solomon.

Well of course we do. And, We do because of the Law of Double reference.

In Scripture, Prophesies regarding destruction are repeated regarding the Jewish Temple. For an example, Solomon's Temple was destroyed and King Herod's Temple was destroyed.

The Prophesies concerning Christ's First Advent were fulfilled along with the First 4 Feasts of the Lord of Leviticus 23. At Christ's First Advent, Christ fulfilled the following Feasts of the Lord...

Christ's Second Advent Prophesies of the Old Testament and the last 3 Feasts of the Lord of Leviticus 23 have not been fulfilled yet by Christ. These 3 Feasts are...

5) The Feast of Trumpets
6) The Feast of the Great Day of Atonement
7) The Feast of Tabernacles

And, In the Book of Revelation, All 7 Trumpets are blown by created Angels. The Last Trumpet blown in the Book of Revelation is blown by a created angel.

Matter of fact, The created Angels blow the Trumpet in Matthew 24:31 when they gather the Seed of Jacob multiplied as the dust of the earth after the Tribulation period.

Now, Are you claiming that Jesus Christ is a created Angel? Christ speaks as a Trumpet in 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Christ is the Son of God. Not a created Angel.

You are correct when you say that there are 7 Trumpets blown during the Tribulation period. Once again, These 7 Trumpets are blown by created angels. And, There is a trumpet blown by created angels after the Tribulation period.

So, Who speaks as a Trumpet in Revelation 4:1 before the Tribulation period begins?

Ok, So, Where will you be?

The Bible does not declare what you claim. The Bible specifically states that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek. The Bible does not say there is no division. The Panagureis and Ekklesia are both in Christ. Both have One Faith, One Lord, and One Baptism.

1) The Panagureis keep the Commandments of God and have the Faith of Jesus.
2) The Ekklesia have the Faith of Jesus.

So, Where do you see a division? The Ekklesia are fellowcitizens with the panagureis in the Spiritual Kingdom of God. Ephesians 2:19. Will you say that you disagree with the Apostle Paul?

You forgot one. 2 Timothy 2:15. We are commanded to rightly divide the Holy Word of God. Isaac is Abraham's seed. And, So is Jacob Abraham's Seed through Isaac.

And, Christ is Abraham's Seed called in Isaac. Genesis 21:12, Romans 9:7, and Hebrews 11:18.

So, I have a question for you. Who is this seed in Galatians 3:7?

Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Here are your choices...

1) Abraham's Seed multiplied as the dust of the earth. Genesis 13:16.
2) Abraham's Seed multiplied as the stars of the Heaven. Genesis 15:4-5.
3) Isaac's Seed multiplied as the stars of the Heaven. Genesis 26:4.
4) Jacob's Seed multiplied as the dust of the earth. Genesis 28:14.

Note: There is only one correct answer.

God Bless You!

I still believe he is referring to David’s descendants. If he is talking about a temple it is not a physical temple. 1 Corinthians 3:16

What is the Law of Double reference. Do you have any scriptural references?

Herod's temple was Prophesied for destruction in Daniel 9:26-27 and in Daniel 12:11. And by Christ in Matt 24:15 and Mark 13:14.

Where in the New Testament are the Feast of Trumpets, Feast of the Great Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles talked about? I would think the Great Day of Atonement was at the cross. The Feast of Tabernacles might also be at the day of Pentecost when the Holy Ghost came upon the church dwelling in them. I don’t understand the meaning behind the Feast of Trumpets, I’ll have to look that one up.

The 7th trumpet in Revelation blown by a created angel is not necessary the last trumpet. It says in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 …with the voice of the archangel… is this Christ’s voice or an angel? Whom does it say that blows the trumpet in this passage? Christ or the archangel? What difference does it make who blows?

At Christ return in 2 Peter 3 is when the church will be rapture just before the destruction. Matt 24:37-38, Luke 17:26-27.

My mistake, your right, there is no division. But the word “difference” in the Greek is “diastole” which also means “distinction“. The same word used in 1 Corinthians 14:7. Either way you look at it. Believing Jews and believing Gentiles are all part of the church.
You say the Panagureis keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus, but then you say that the Ekklesia just have the Faith of Jesus. Does not the church keep the commandments of God as well? Hebrews 10:16

You give me a choice to choose which seed to choose that’s in Galatians 3:7. Look to Galatians 3:16, 26, 28-29 for your answer.

Psalms 86:11 :friends:

 

[Bambi]

Just remembered something

the First 4 Feasts of the Lord[/B] of Leviticus 23. At Christ's First Advent, Christ fulfilled the following Feasts of the Lord...

Christ's Second Advent Prophesies of the Old Testament and the last 3 Feasts of the Lord of Leviticus 23 have not been fulfilled yet by Christ. These 3 Feasts are...

I just remembered something. Wasn't the law fulfilled at the cross. Romans 8:4 And doesn't all of your feasts deal with the sinfulness of man? I believe all of the feasts were fulfilled at the cross.:confused2: