Obama is the antiChrist? Please.....!!!!

[Ed]

Can anyone name just ONE U.S. President who wasn't labeled "the antichrist"?

I've only been hearing this since the second Bush was in office. Yes, he did make some major mistakes. But to call him, or even Obama "the antichrist" is IMHO, an excuse to put the blame on the problems of this country on one man.

Everyone is/was expecting the antichrist to either come out of the whitehouse, or come out of Europe. The problem with this is that they have been saying this for a long time now. I really wish that people, especially Christians, would stop in pointing out to the countries leaders as being the anti-Christ, or anyone in a position of power for that matter.

The anti-Christ is a spirit that is totally against God, rejects God first-hand and outright. Therefore we need to stop looking at a President and realize that there are today many anti-Christs in operation throughout the world today. The President(s) (Obama, Bush, etc) have not even touched (afaik) on any teachings of the Bible at all. We tend to look at them and see them bowing down at a religious temple in China and think "Oh, the Christian USA President is worshipping Buddha (or whoever). It's like do we really know if he's worshipping, or doing so out of courtesy?

One thing the US government hasn't done (again afaik) is approach any religion and say "You cannot do this or that." I mean, if that were the case, then many of the Islamic mosques throughout the USA would have been shut down already...

If we are in church, listening to the Pastor preach against sin (any sin, it doesn't matter) and we go home after service, and indulge in that sin with no remorse at all, then the anti-Christ is us.

Sorry to sound so rude and offensive, but just because two leaders in a row seem to be ruining our once prosperous nation doesn't mean that they are the anti-christ. It just means that we, as a once-Christian nation, need to really pray for our leaders as we are supposed to, and pray that God may have real mercy on us all! After all, it's not like God isn't looking as each and every one of our own hearts and deciding to either bless us with prosperity, or curse us with economic problems.

 

[Boanerges]

The ant-Christ, of course not. Anti-Christ definitely.
This man told us to judge him by the people he surrounds himself with and the policy he makes. Besides fiscal insanity his polices are bent towards a godless secular society.
Some of them include:
Pro- abortion- one of the main proponents and champions of baby murdering throughout his career.
Spearheading the law that refused a baby medical treatment if it survives an abortion. It must be placed on a shelf or table to die.
Pro homosexuality- pushing through legislation that makes it a crime to witness to gays and appointing an advocate on NAMBLA as school safety Czar. This person also wrote the "queering of the elementary school".
Declaring "America is not a Christian nation" and "America is one of the largest Muslim nations" within one weeks time.
The majority of his cabinet are tax cheats at best.
The list could go on. If it is unclean from pro child molesters and on he has appointed it to run the country outside of congressional oversight by way of his Czars.
Some of them are on record saying:
old folks do not deserve medical treatment as they are no longer productive.

Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;

The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;

Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise
People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.

A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

Marriage should be abolished, gay couples and polygamy an other "exotic" couplings are just as good as marriage.

Animals should be able to sue people with lawyers as their proxies.

Openly communist and Marxists Czars.

This man judging by who he appoints, what he supports and his policies is a demoniac at best.

 

[ServantOfYHWH]

The only one who fits the description of the anti-Christ is the pope (not the one right now, but whichever one comes next is more than likely the Anti-Christ). Just look it up, the Catholic church/Pope are the only one that really fit the prophecies almost to a T!

God bless and keep you in Jesus name. And may He open our eyes to the truth.

 

[Ed]

The only one who fits the description of the anti-Christ is the pope (not the one right now, but whichever one comes next is more than likely the Anti-Christ). Just look it up, the Catholic church/Pope are the only one that really fit the prophecies almost to a T!

God bless and keep you in Jesus name. And may He open our eyes to the truth.

I think so too. But really, how many popes have there been? And every one of them has been revered by millions upon millions of Catholics. Why should we even revere such a man that rides around in a bulletproof car? Did Christ have His own personal armor, and would Christ condone such an act?

 

[eddieb]

was Regan labeled the antichrist?

 

[Ed]

I don't think Reagan was, but then again at that point I was too young and didn't know anything about Christianity or the anti-Christ

 

[cman77]

The only one who fits the description of the anti-Christ is the pope (not the one right now, but whichever one comes next is more than likely the Anti-Christ). Just look it up, the Catholic church/Pope are the only one that really fit the prophecies almost to a T!

God bless and keep you in Jesus name. And may He open our eyes to the truth.

a very good point, and i think you are correct. Luther thought so.

i would also like to throw out another concept. Muhammad could have been the Antichrist. his was spoken to by an angel of light, which is a facade used by Satan, and then started a religion that is now the largest and fastest growing religion in the entire world. they hate christian and their koran instructs them to kill any who are not one of them. and that is what is happenning in most other parts of the world. that could very well be the great tribulation.

 

[Boanerges]

Mohamed was an anti-Christ. There are many, Obama and Mohamed are only 2.

 

[StopPolloition]

The Bible speaks about the antichrist at great length. Despite the feelings or fear of some, the characteristics of the lawless one are very, very specific. Administration and public policy alone arent enough to make these determinations.
The two major determinants are that he will only be revealed once the church is removed from the earth. So all of our premonitions are at best academic; tantalizing though they may be. The second is that he is an Assyrian.
Lazy scholastic work on a passage in Daniel saying the people of the antichrist will destroy the temple concludes that the antichrist will be Eastern European. This completely overlooks the fact that the Roman empire had two legs, the second- the "Ottoman" empire, was people largely by the conscripted peoples of what we today would call the <style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0in; font-size: 11pt } H1 { margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in } H1.western { font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 14pt; font-style: italic } H1.cjk { font-family: "Arial Unicode MS"; font-size: 14pt; font-style: italic } H1.ctl { font-family: "Tahoma"; font-size: 12pt; font-style: italic } --></style>Middle East.
There are 33 other stipulations in the Old Testament and 13 in the New for the man of sin (including the two that I've already cited). The Bible is nearly overt in speaking of him coming to power. This indicates that he will not already have it, thus he cannot be either a president or a pope.
I think there is overwhelming evidence that the antichrist will be a Muslim. The overtures made by our president towards Islam seem to confirm this. Too, the acquiescence of the Roman Catholic Church towards Islam a couple years ago, as well as the fact that ALL of the nations that were enemies of Israel and that feature in the end times prophecies of scripture are Muslim nations.
Regardless of our conjecture, we must only use scripture to help our assertions and keep in mind that we wont be here to see it come to pass. Maranatha. :wink:

 

[Ramy]

Be sober and self-controlled. Be watchful. Your adversary, the devil, walks around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 1 st Peter 5 : 8

 

[Boanerges]

The Bible speaks about the antichrist at great length. Despite the feelings or fear of some, the characteristics of the lawless one are very, very specific. Administration and public policy alone arent enough to make these determinations.
The two major determinants are that he will only be revealed once the church is removed from the earth. So all of our premonitions are at best academic; tantalizing though they may be. The second is that he is an Assyrian.
Lazy scholastic work on a passage in Daniel saying the people of the antichrist will destroy the temple concludes that the antichrist will be Eastern European. This completely overlooks the fact that the Roman empire had two legs, the second- the "Ottoman" empire, was people largely by the conscripted peoples of what we today would call the <style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0in; font-size: 11pt } H1 { margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in } H1.western { font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 14pt; font-style: italic } H1.cjk { font-family: "Arial Unicode MS"; font-size: 14pt; font-style: italic } H1.ctl { font-family: "Tahoma"; font-size: 12pt; font-style: italic } --></style>Middle East.
There are 33 other stipulations in the Old Testament and 13 in the New for the man of sin (including the two that I've already cited). The Bible is nearly overt in speaking of him coming to power. This indicates that he will not already have it, thus he cannot be either a president or a pope.
I think there is overwhelming evidence that the antichrist will be a Muslim. The overtures made by our president towards Islam seem to confirm this. Too, the acquiescence of the Roman Catholic Church towards Islam a couple years ago, as well as the fact that ALL of the nations that were enemies of Israel and that feature in the end times prophecies of scripture are Muslim nations.
Regardless of our conjecture, we must only use scripture to help our assertions and keep in mind that we wont be here to see it come to pass. Maranatha. :wink:

Without getting into any interpretation of end-times time lines even in the lifetime of the disciples there were many anti-Christs, but I agree we have yet to see the anti-Christ.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

[Ed]

I agree with you that the anti-Christ will be revealed once the church is removed from the earth. However what many people, Christians included, don't seem to realize is that the church has been removed already. First of all..the body of believers is no longer united, and has been in the same state for a couple of centuries now.

Today there are more Christians who think they are on the right path when it comes to their relationship with Jesus, who are in fact, very long gone into the wrong path. They have basically made money their own lifestyle, and many other things that the Lord Jesus Christ preached against, their god. No longer are Christians actively pursueing evangelism and reaching out to others less fortunate. Instead we rush through the drive-thru at McDonald's wanting to get home and feed the family. They never buy an extra meal thinking of the poor hungry soul at the corner of the street holding up a sign that says "feed me, please!"

As for the anti-Christ destroying the temple and that he will be in Eastern Europe, the scholars are, and have been wrong for many years. If they keep looking towards any "building" in Israel, or whatever, they will/havew missed the entire prophecy. The temple of which the bible speaks about is clearly the body of Christ. Think of it this way...if Christ lives in us, then that means that he resides in us...but if we are no longer serving our God and our Lord, then who is it that resides in us? This is why we must decide to follow Christ every day of our lives after we have come to the knowledge of the truth. Basically asking ourselves "What would Jesus Do?" in any and all given situations. If we just carelessly live our lives then we are open to compromise, and open to every temptation that presents itself, and sadly, we give in to such temptation.

IF Christ did live in us, then the Temple, His Temple would be our bodies. Yet we still feel the need to fill our temples with everything that is not of Christ. As it is...even though we profess Christ, we still struggle with so much. We go about our daily lives holding back the gospel from those who need it the most. We hold back from giving to a person because the color of their skin, or the foreign language they speak. We still struggle with the acceptance that we must change our thoughts, our attitudes.

So when people talk about the "man of sin" there is no man that we need to be on the lookout for. The devil is a snake...and usually we are unaware of a snake until the moment that the snake strikes. The "man of sin" has already come to power...and he is already breeding in our churches...simply by misquoting scripture and leading Christians away from Christ by allowing themselves to build better and bigger buildings to congretate in, allowing all kinds of entertainment, and disallowing any kind of preaching on the need for repentance. Also, the body of believers, that is the body of Christ are still tired of hearing, and will no longer accept anybody coming along and preaching on sin. They only want to hear a soft and lukewarm gospel.

So the anti-Christ has already sung, and is singing, his lullaby....

 

[shipwrecksoul]

I agree with you that the anti-Christ will be revealed once the church is removed from the earth. However what many people, Christians included, don't seem to realize is that the church has been removed already. First of all..the body of believers is no longer united, and has been in the same state for a couple of centuries now.
...........allowing all kinds of entertainment, and disallowing any kind of preaching on the need for repentance. Also, the body of believers, that is the body of Christ are still tired of hearing, and will no longer accept anybody coming along and preaching on sin. They only want to hear a soft and lukewarm gospel.

So the anti-Christ has already sung, and is singing, his lullaby....

I know of one church that emphasizes girls dancing once a month in front of the whole congregation like the woman of Egypt, really, almost exactly the same outfits. They had to please the kids who watched Riverdance dancing people. I never heard repentance spoken there.
I know of another church that made money their God. 3 or 4 Pastors, they have 9, make well over $100,000 dollars( 2 make in the whole package $300,000). Should we pray for them to be more like Christ?
:embarasse?
Is the spirit of the anti Christ here? You bet. Has gluttony in various forms entered the church? You bet. Has Mr. self, the devil, come in sneakily into the body of Christ? Yes. Most churches even have power struggles within themselves. When a new legitimate convert comes in to churches they are drowned by all of this.
Whether or not the prez man is the anti Christ I don't know, Yet!
But what I do know he is like old Manasseh before repentance, who approved of throwing babies into the fire. The prez man signed in his first week the overseas abortion payment help.
This thread makes us stop and think to whats around us. May we be vigilant in our service for the Lord and keep the eyes of our heart glued in watching for Jesus to return.

 

[JG27_Chili]

Mohamed was an anti-Christ. There are many, Obama and Mohamed are only 2.

Yes they are anti Christ but not THE antiChrist.....................................
Just be ready for the comming " like a thief in the night" .....it could be TONIGHT!! no body knows. just be right with Jesus/God/ Holy spirit

OOOO God I pray for who ever is aware that they get right with YOU right now including me Jesus. Im still a sinner even tho I accepted Christ. But HIS blood covered my sins in front of GOD the FATHER. Forgive me Jesus for my sins because I am a sinner 100% Thank you Jesus... Thank you Jesus.....Thank you Jesus....Amen

 

[Hekuran]

There seems to be quite a bit of confusion about the antichrist, the Antichrist.

I have copied here all the Bible's references to antichrist. They come from the letters of John.

1 John 2:18-22
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

John's original audience was churches that had been rocked by the rise of the early Gnostic movement.

The Gnostics taught a dualism which held to a distinction between the purity of the immaterial world and the corruptibility of the material world. They held that the God of creation was not the pure God, that there was a distinction between Jesus who suffered on the cross and the Christ who was the transcendent Saviour.

They held that the direct revelation they received gave them unique insight and superiority over any other Christian writings. This revelation provided the initiated with access to gnosis, or knowledge about the true God.
(abideinchrist.com)​

If you read John's letters with this in mind, you can see that they confront these heresies directly.

John is specific: the antichrist is known by false teaching about Christ. The antichrist denies that Jesus is the Christ, denies that Jesus came from God, does not acknowledge Jesus Christ coming in the flesh.

There is a place for criticising leaders of all shades when they make decisions that fall short of the gospel. But that does not amount to them being the antichrist. Nor does fiddling church accounts, promoting strange practices in worship, or being greedy and selfish.

We may disagree with President Obama and Pope Benedict on many, many issues, but neither denies that Jesus is God appearing in flesh.

 

[TheSilentHero]

Ah such a popular topic of depate

My suspicians are that Obama is a candidate to be THE Anti-Christ during the end times. But there are many anti-Christ's. Anyone who is not of Christ, is an Anti-Christ. I fully believe we are living in the last days before Jesus comes back and raptures the Christians. If you don't believe in the rapture, check it out in 1Thessolonians. Rapture was a term used to describe the event of Christians going up with Jesus. You will not find the word "rapture" in the Bible because "IT" is simply used to describe the action of being brought up with Christ. However in the Greek translation there is a word that could translate into "Rapture" so in some sense it IS in the Bible... but anyway... Since we are most likely living in the 3rd or 4th seal (hard to say) that means that it is only a matter of time before Jesus comes back. Obama IS a very persuasive person, AND is focusing on WORLD PEACE. Not only that, but Henry Kissinger even stated that Obama is primed to lead the New World Order. "We must Forge ahead or Retreat to Chaos," is a popular quote right now. The world is moving into a "One World Government" and Obama would make an excellent leader. However, the Bible does not say "Obama is the Anti-Christ" lol so who knows? No Christian should worry though cause we won't be here when all the chaos of the tribulation happens. And, unfortunately, there IS opression of religion. There is the opression of Christianity. There was a court case in California in which a family member got saved. The parents of that family member did not like that this person got saved, and sued the church for BRAINWASH! But if they had converted to oh say... Buhdism or ANYTHING else for that matter; heck even SATAN WORSHIPPING, the family would've probably disregarded it, saying it was a phase this person was going through. There is a war in this world that many do not even see. It is a spiritual war! Anyone else but a Christian can pray in public without being bashed or persecuted or threatened to be thrown in jail. Maybe it hasn't reached everyone but it is a very REAL war. If these are the last days, then I would imagine that Obama will still be President when we are raptured. Which only adds to the stage being set up for him to be the Anti-Christ. Not only that, but he could also use the religion card. HE'S been to Church, he's gone through all the motions... but I don't think he's a Christian. His actions now do not reflect that nor do his words. He's a poser, intentionally or not I don't know. So imagine if the rapture just happened and he's still President. "Oh, no Jesus didn't come back. That's what 'THEY' want you to believe" Then through a series of events of restoring the world to some kind of order, him bringing "peace" could fuel the idea that "HE" is the Messiah. So what I'm trying to say is that the potential is there. That is why people think that he could be. In any case, it is important, now more than ever, to spread the word while we still can. And even if we weren't in the last days, spreading the word of God is a duty we are all charged with anyway. And read your Bible! Armor yourself with the Armor of God, because it's going to grow harder and harder to profess your love for Jesus Christ. All you have to do is say his name and you've offended someone. But, be in good cheer. "Blessed are those who are persecuted in my name..." Not sure if this helps, but before anyone debates this, please FULLY read it. I run into a lot of arguements that are started because they skimmed it and saw a quote and suddenly they are questioning my faith. Like really? If you are going to debate with me, please read my thing first. I will admit that this is only an opinion based on the title and I just hit page two, scrolled to the bottom, and hit reply. lol. I'm not directly arguing with anyone.

 

[Boanerges]

ohn is specific: the antichrist is known by false teaching about Christ.

Obama claims to be a Christian but misquotes and twist scripture for his political gain (false teacher).
His policies resemble those of Molech and not of Christ. What he stands for is the complete opposite of Christ which makes him anti-Christ. He opposes true Christianity and is taking steps towards making preaching the Gospel to some a "hate crime".


Here is an interesting take on the subject from Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible:
1Jn 2:18
Little children, it is the last time - This place is variously understood. This is the last dispensation of grace and mercy to mankind; the present age is the conclusion of the Jewish state, as the temple and holy city are shortly to be destroyed. But as there are many who suppose that this epistle was written after the destruction of Jerusalem, consequently the words cannot, on that supposition, refer to this. Others think that εσχατη ὡρα should be translated, a most difficult, perilous, and wretched time; a time in which all kinds of vices, heresies, and pollutions shall have their full reign; that time which out Lord predicted, Mat_7:15, when he said, Beware of false prophets. And Mat_24:11, Mat_24:12 : Many false prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many; and because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. And Mat_24:24 : There shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders. And Mat_24:25 : Behold, I have told you before. Now the apostle may allude to these predictions of our Lord; but all these refer to a time antecedent to the destruction of Jerusalem. I am therefore inclined to think, whatever may be here the precise meaning of the last time, that the epistle before us was written while Jerusalem yet stood. See what is said in the preface on this head.

Antichrist shall come - Who is this αντιχριστος antichrist? Is he the Emperor Domitian, the Gnostics, Nicolaitans, Nazareans, Cerinthians, Romish pontiffs, etc., etc.! Ans. Any person, thing, doctrine, system of religion, polity, etc., which is opposed to Christ, and to the spirit and spread of his Gospel, is antichrist. We need not look for this imaginary being in any of the above exclusively. Even Protestantism may have its antichrist as well as Popery. Every man who opposes the spirit of the Gospel, and every teacher and writer who endeavors to lower the Gospel standard to the spirit and taste of the world, is a genuine antichrist, no matter where or among whom he is found. The heresies which sprang up in the days of St. John were the antichrist of that time. As there has been a succession of oppositions to Christianity in its spirit and spread through every age since its promulgation in the world, so there has been a succession of antichrists. We may bring this matter much lower; every enemy of Christ, every one who opposes his reign in the world, in others, or in himself, is an antichrist; and consequently every wicked man is an antichrist. But the name has been generally applied to whatever person or thing systematically opposes Christ and his religion.
Many antichrists - Many false prophets, false Messiahs, heretics, and corrupters of the truth.
Whereby we know that it is the last time - That time which our Lord has predicted, and of which he has warned us.

 

[Hekuran]

Ok, I think Adam Clarke's use of "antichrist" is wider than that of John's letters. But I can see the point.

In this usage, anything that is not of Christ is antichrist. Is that how you understand it?

 

[Boanerges]

I was just demonstrating another view on the subject.
That would be one facet and one type of anti-Christ, the world and it's entire system is anti-Christ.
Obama has the blood of countless children on his hands and that is witness enough for me.

 

[NewManMikey]

First off no one but the Father knows when the "end" will be. That said the anti-christ of Revelations must be in place to assume his position to fullfill Scripture.

Because no one knows, Satan has had to have an "anti-christ" in place at every generation since Revelations was written so Sciprture could be fulfilled. To speculate on who it is is pointless because there so many who could fill the role. But I suppose it is fun to play that game.

Mikey