Paper Money and Fiat Currency is the Mark of the Beast

[gaviria.christian]

Yea that's the hebrew roots movement. Why do the people who subscribe to those beliefs not know about the movement that espouses those beliefs. Or do the people know and for some reason try to distance themselves from association with the hebrew roots movement? I am sorry but I have met a few people with the beliefs of the hebrew roots movement and they all say that they are not.

Obedience to the Torah is not something that came from "Hebrew Roots" as if they invented obedience to the Torah, it is something that came from God to Moses and presented to the world through the sons of Israel, as the "Law of God". The Torah defines everything that is sin, though its commands, in accordance to the words of Paul. The Torah is the manual of what to do and not to do, in very plain words. I don't obey the Torah because of some fad or because it's cool or because some man told me to, I obey it because that is what Yeshuah actually instructed us to do, as well as the apostles. I have read the gospels myself and have seen the words of Yeshuah to affirm that this is true. I would not burden myself unless it was actually required of us. The great deception of the Roman popes to the world is that the Torah has been done away with, which many christian churches been deceived by, which is why you people look at me strangely, because you are deceived, not understanding that the Torah is the very thing you should also be obeying, for that is what Yeshuah told us to do. And because you have no understanding of the Torah, is precisely why you are unable to identify the true mark of the beast.

 

[A. Christian]

Obedience to the Torah is not something that came from "Hebrew Roots" as if they invented obedience to the Torah, it is something that came from God to Moses and presented to the world through the sons of Israel, as the "Law of God". The Torah defines everything that is sin, though its commands, in accordance to the words of Paul. The Torah is the manual of what to do and not to do, in very plain words. I don't obey the Torah because of some fad or because it's cool or because some man told me to, I obey it because that is what Yeshuah actually instructed us to do, as well as the apostles. I have read the gospels myself and have seen the words of Yeshuah to affirm that this is true. I would not burden myself unless it was actually required of us. The great deception of the Roman popes to the world is that the Torah has been done away with, which many christian churches been deceived by, which is why you people look at me strangely, because you are deceived, not understanding that the Torah is the very thing you should also be obeying, for that is what Yeshuah told us to do. And because you have no understanding of the Torah, is precisely why you are unable to identify the true mark of the beast.

The hebrew roots movement is where they believe the church needs to move back to being 1st century jews. But in essence they are the people that paul warned the galatians about, people who would try to bring the church back into bondage of a law that they cannot keep.

Tell me do you believe that we can be saved by grace alone? Or must we also keep the Law?

 

[gaviria.christian]

The hebrew roots movement is where they believe the church needs to move back to being 1st century jews. But in essence they are the people that paul warned the galatians about, people who would try to bring the church back into bondage of a law that they cannot keep.

Tell me do you believe that we can be saved by grace alone? Or must we also keep the Law?

Paul didn't warn about people that obeyed the Torah, he warned about people that obeyed matters of Torah that are no longer required under the new covenant. The Torah was changed with Yeshuah, certain things became stricter, and other things were no longer required. We are not permitted to remarry, but we are permitted to eat pork. We are not permitted to marry more than one woman, but we may choose to remain uncircumcised in the flesh. We are not required to kill a Passover lamb every year, but we are required to eat the bread and drink the wine that symbolize his body and blood. So while the Torah is indeed still binding, under the new covenant we fulfill it differently, in a superior way. We are not required to observe Shabbath, because we will fulfill the Shabbath of the Torah when we enter the millennial Shabbath. It is because of the lack of understanding of these things is why rather than investigate what commands of the Torah we are indeed still required to obey, you go ahead and discard the entire Torah, which is torahlessness, which is worse than disbelief.

 

[A. Christian]

Paul didn't warn about people that obeyed the Torah, he warned about people that obeyed matters of Torah that are no longer required under the new covenant. The Torah was changed with Yeshuah, certain things became stricter, and other things were no longer required. We are not permitted to remarry, but we are permitted to eat pork. We are not permitted to marry more than one woman, but we may choose to remain uncircumcised in the flesh. We are not required to kill a Passover lamb every year, but we are required to eat the bread and drink the wine that symbolize his body and blood. So while the Torah is indeed still binding, under the new covenant we fulfill it differently, in a superior way. We are not required to observe Shabbath, because we will fulfill the Shabbath of the Torah when we enter the millennial Shabbath. It is because of the lack of understanding of these things is why rather than investigate what commands of the Torah we are indeed still required to obey, you go ahead and discard the entire Torah, which is torahlessness, which is worse than disbelief.

Well I must say that this is slightly different from the last torah follower that I discussed with as he would have had us doing the passover and not eating pork. But my question remains: Are we saved by Grace alone and not of works?

 

[gaviria.christian]

Well I must say that this is slightly different from the last torah follower that I discussed with as he would have had us doing the passover and not eating pork. But my question remains: Are we saved by Grace alone and not of works?

We are saved by favor because of predestination, because God chose who he will save before the foundations of the world, before anyone did any works. And what do all who are chosen have in common? Obedience, which implies works. If you do not yield good works and cease yielding evil works then you are not among the chosen.

 

[Br. Bear]

@gaviria.christian

Greetings,

I am not wanting to put you on the spot, however....

do you pay for your internet connection and groceries using only pure gold and or silver?

And, if not, why not? {in the light of ALL you have written on this thread, thus far.}


Bless you ....><>

 

[gaviria.christian]

@gaviria.christian

Greetings,

I am not wanting to put you on the spot, however....

do you pay for your internet connection and groceries using only pure gold and or silver?

And, if not, why not? {in the light of ALL you have written on this thread, thus far.}


Bless you ....><>

These are valid questions. First I moved to another country where things are cheaper. Secondly, I prepaid for things in advance years ahead, and am also stocked up on food for a very long time. I also built a garden above the house I am in, and also have solar panels, and other necessities in the house. We only need to stock up on a few years worth of things, for the second coming of the Messiah is less than 7 years away now. Here are two pictures of the place where I am in, in Colombia.

 

[A. Christian]

We are saved by favor because of predestination, because God chose who he will save before the foundations of the world, before anyone did any works. And what do all who are chosen have in common? Obedience, which implies works. If you do not yield good works and cease yielding evil works then you are not among the chosen.

How is your God not evil when he has chosen to create a person for the sole purpose causing them emmense pain for not keeping a law that God has already decided that they will never keep?

 

[gaviria.christian]

How is your God not evil when he has chosen to create a person for the sole purpose causing them emmense pain for not keeping a law that God has already decided that they will never keep?

Is a potter evil for choosing to destroy a pot he made then hated? Is a movie director evil for casting antagonist roles in his movie? God is the "creator" of this creation, and just as he made everything perfect, according to his pleasure, he has the authority to make his creation crooked if he wanted to, to then demonstrate qualities of himself in creation that would otherwise not be possible, like mercy and forgiveness, yet on the other hand, wrath and power. That is why the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, because ultimately God chooses, for he is the creator, and we are the mere creation.

 

[A. Christian]

Is a potter evil for choosing to destroy a pot he made then hated? Is a movie director evil for casting antagonist roles in his movie? God is the "creator" of this creation, and just as he made everything perfect, according to his pleasure, he has the authority to make his creation crooked if he wanted to, to then demonstrate qualities of himself in creation that would otherwise not be possible, like mercy and forgiveness, yet on the other hand, wrath and power. That is why the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, because ultimately God chooses, for he is the creator, and we are the mere creation.

And what if at the end of all this you find out that you were chosen to believe a lie and to experience God's wrath in eternal punishment?

 

[Br. Bear]

These are valid questions. First I moved to another country where things are cheaper. Secondly, I prepaid for things in advance years ahead, and am also stocked up on food for a very long time. I also built a garden above the house I am in, and also have solar panels, and other necessities in the house. We only need to stock up on a few years worth of things, for the second coming of the Messiah is less than 7 years away now. Here are two pictures of the place where I am in, in Colombia.

Thank you for your reply.
Without getting too side tracked, what are you growing?

and back to my question, can i add? how did you pay for flights to Israel, last year, etc? Pure gold and or silver? If not, again, why not? {in the light of ALL you have written on this thread, thus far.}


Bless you ....><>

 

[gaviria.christian]

And what if at the end of all this you find out that you were chosen to believe a lie and to experience God's wrath in eternal punishment?

This wouldn't be so, because someone who is chosen receives the anointing. The anointing is the confirmation and seal of having been chosen, which also comes with authority to perform signs and wonders. If you never received the anointing you were never chosen. There is limited seating, only 144,000.

 

[A. Christian]

This wouldn't be so, because someone who is chosen receives the anointing. The anointing is the confirmation and seal of having been chosen, which also comes with authority to perform signs and wonders. If you never received the anointing you were never chosen. There is limited seating, only 144,000.

Those were only jews though 12,000 from each tribe minus Dan. Can you do signs and wonders?

 

[gaviria.christian]

Those were only jews though 12,000 from each tribe minus Dan. Can you do signs and wonders?

I thought a moment ago you didn't take me seriously.

 

[A. Christian]

I thought a moment ago you didn't take me seriously.

Can you do signs and wonders?

 

[Fragrant Grace]

This thread is turning into an argument and no-one is following the request to reference the Bible for what is being stated
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@gaviria.christian back up what you are saying if indeed you can.

 

[gaviria.christian]

This thread is turning into an argument and no-one is following the request to reference the Bible for what is being stated
.
@gaviria.christian back up what you are saying if indeed you can.

I already did. I wrote an entire bible study about fiat currency and the beasts of Revelation.

 

[A. Christian]

I do agree that this thread is going no where. Here are my verses

1. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18 you shouldn't be proud about being prideful.

2. I set before you life and death, blessings and cursings: therefore choose life that both you and your seed shall live. Deuteronomy 30:19 God has given the choice to us.

Ask and I will expound on any of them.

 

[gaviria.christian]

I do agree that this thread is going no where. Here are my verses

1. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18 you shouldn't be proud about being prideful.

2. I set before you life and death, blessings and cursings: therefore choose life that both you and your seed shall live. Deuteronomy 30:19 God has given the choice to us.

Ask and I will expound on any of them.

Pride is not evil when you are in the truth. It would be like a flat earther calling a sphere earther evil for being proud in knowing the truth that the earth is spherical. You are the one that is not in the truth regarding predestination, and also regarding the final condemnation in the lake of lava, which is yet to appear on the south side of Jerusalem, in the valley of Hinnom. You have no understanding of the truth, nor the sayings of the prophets, nor prophecy, nor the Torah, nor the book of Revelation, nor anything for that matter. And what's more pathetic is that you won't even let yourself be taught. Stubbornness is worse than ignorance. At least someone who is dumb and knows nothing can be taught and instructed in the truth, and made to become wise and intelligent, but someone who has been indoctrinated into lies, indeed it is easier for a camel to enter into the eye of a needle than for a stubborn man to unlearn the lies he has been taught. And actually, the true proud one between the two is you, for refusing to believe the truth that the scriptures teach in favor of your own lies. That is true pride, which will come before your own fall.

 

[A. Christian]

Pride is not evil when you are in the truth. It would be like a flat earther calling a sphere earther evil for being proud in knowing the truth that the earth is spherical. You are the one that is not in the truth regarding predestination, and also regarding the final condemnation in the lake of lava, which is yet to appear on the south side of Jerusalem, in the valley of Hinnom. You have no understanding of the truth, nor the sayings of the prophets, nor prophecy, nor the Torah, nor the book of Revelation, nor anything for that matter. And what's more pathetic is that you won't even let yourself be taught. Stubbornness is worse than ignorance. At least someone who is dumb and knows nothing can be taught and instructed in the truth, and made to become wise and intelligent, but someone who has been indoctrinated into lies, indeed it is easier for a camel to enter into the eye of a needle than for a stubborn man to unlearn the lies he has been taught. And actually, the true proud one between the two is you, for refusing to believe the truth that the scriptures teach in favor of your own lies. That is true pride, which will come before your own fall.

I believe that eveything that you have said is against scripture. I have to be honest I am caught off guard with some of these beliefs and I just do not know what to say. Maybe I am dumb and pathetic and stubborn. But I am just going to keep trusting in Jesus for my salvation. That is the only truth that I need. And since you didn't have any questions about my scriptures then I'm going to take my exit.