Ivar
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Iron sharpeth Iron. My current strongest premise on Joseph being the Father of Christ according to the flesh. " no personal attacks please"
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1. Mary referred to Joseph as Jesus father; and when Jesus said he was about his Fathers business they did not know what he was talking about
Luk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
Jesus was more than likely referring to the
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
2. Christ suffered and was tempted like Man.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
3. Christ Had to be made like his people
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
4. To make Christ according to the flesh and offspring of “Adam" Man you need male and female
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
5. The flesh of Man is Male and Female
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
6. The seed or sperma "greek" of David can only be passed thru his male offspring
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
7. Joseph lineage is of the throne of David ; not Mary
2Sa 7:13 He "Solomon" shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
8. Joseph did not want to make Mary a publick example and had mind to divorce her secretly; Angel appeared in Joseph dream encouraging him not to divorce her.
Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
9. Perhaps Mary and Joseph before they came together in accordance with Hebrew tradition; Joseph penetrated Hymen and no Tokens of Virginity blanket could be given to Her Father . In any case context of before they came together not clearly given.
Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
10. Luke 1:31 to Luke 1:38 is before the conception. Conception mentioned / starts to be mentioned from Mat 1:18 to Mat 1:24; Conception does not seem to be mentioned in Luke account only pre conception. From Luke 1:39 onward is after conception
11. Luk 1:37 is specifically talking about Luk 1:36
Luk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old nage: andthis is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
#12 All sons of man are born of the Holy Spirit “Theory that won't explain (apologies)"
Disclaimer - if you share or talk about this with others I am not responsible for any type of negative feedback, rebuke, chastisement, scorn, stoning and ostracization that you could possibly receive.
1. Mary referred to Joseph as Jesus father; and when Jesus said he was about his Fathers business they did not know what he was talking about
Luk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
2. Christ suffered and was tempted like Man.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
3. Christ Had to be made like his people
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
4. To make Christ according to the flesh and offspring of “Adam" Man you need male and female
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
5. The flesh of Man is Male and Female
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
6. The seed or sperma "greek" of David can only be passed thru his male offspring
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
7. Joseph lineage is of the throne of David ; not Mary
2Sa 7:13 He "Solomon" shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
8. Joseph did not want to make Mary a publick example and had mind to divorce her secretly; Angel appeared in Joseph dream encouraging him not to divorce her.
Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
9. Perhaps Mary and Joseph before they came together in accordance with Hebrew tradition; Joseph penetrated Hymen and no Tokens of Virginity blanket could be given to Her Father . In any case context of before they came together not clearly given.
Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
10. Luke 1:31 to Luke 1:38 is before the conception. Conception mentioned / starts to be mentioned from Mat 1:18 to Mat 1:24; Conception does not seem to be mentioned in Luke account only pre conception. From Luke 1:39 onward is after conception
11. Luk 1:37 is specifically talking about Luk 1:36
Luk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old nage: andthis is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
#12 All sons of man are born of the Holy Spirit “Theory that won't explain (apologies)"
