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Reference Post # 60
On your opening statement on this post: LOL I’m only following your lead Ivar Post #36.
Understanding the root word coming from H5958 shows exactly as you say, still doesn’t explain or maybe it does but is yet undefined why H5959 mentions Virgin. Meaning, you still have not addressed, or can even bring yourself to repeat that Strong’s H5959 includes it in its definition.
Note: Looking at Genesis 24:16 you don’t wonder how the writer knew that this girl was a virgin, when she was yada? Just curious.
By the way did you ever look up my suggestion to see how “tense” might affect the word usage of Almah vs Betulah? In particular the two verses you have quoted back at me Gen 24:16 & v43, which I brought up in post #53? The first person, third person and you can toss in there the second person as well. It’s quite possible that the perspective is what has changed and so the writer determined the usage of the word Almah in one place while in another Betulah was valid to use since both signify virgin.
We can look at Genesis 24:16 and we see this is written in the third person, while Genesis 24:43 is in the first person. This must also be taken into consideration contextually of what we are reading and how words were used within the writings we now handle. This is used in English, so I don’t know how it might have looked in the original language or even if they used this as part of their grammar in ancient days. All I can do is work within the English language I do know, and the definitions provided in the knowledgeable source books from writers who do.
At times we can take this for granted in our reading, because unless you happen to be an English major, you would not necessarily look at the sentence structure in this fashion unless you were the writer or editor. I know I don’t, at least not until the Spirit moved me to do so the other day (post #53).
You may believe that I’m grasping at straws here, but I do not. This is just another consideration that hasn’t as yet been looked at, which is similar to Virgin being found in H5959.
So, dear Ivar. Do we, humanity, know the full extent of the Natural Law that God works within, and if so are we able to determine what He can be exempted from? I don’t think so, and I’m sure neither do you. Why? Because to acknowledge otherwise is to place God in a box of our own creation which causes us to ignore the full extent of God’s Power to effectually work within the Natural Law. I can show this by using only one word and this is “Miracles”. It is only the presumptuousness of man that disregards them and fails to see the possibilities of the Natural Law in the hands of its Creator. I won’t quote scripture to you, because you know them and have quoted them to others.
Just remember that Iron sharpens Iron goes on all sides or only one side gets sharpened.
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Love of Christ Immanuel
Ivar[/QUOTE]
Love you too Ivar.
In the name of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Reference Post #59
Your Response:
I started on the article but unsurprisingly I could tell immediately it was pushing a point a point of view by selectively leaving out a possible alternative. The Strong's H5959 is what I'm talking about. In my previous post, I showed you an excerpt from Strong's on H5959, and received no reply from you but now this link.
My Response:
Fair enough though i don't think i have called you out much of your own selectivness. Here is my reply;
The root word or counterpart of Almah is Elem H5958 which means young man. Not a virgin but a young man.
Alma is feminine and Elem is it's masculine counterpart. Once again Elem means young man.
ELEM H5958
ALMAH H5959
If you selectively believe it is leaving out a possible alternative then what is the understanding?
Why is it narrated in Gen 24:16 that Rachel was a Betulah when Eliezer met her?
Then 27 verses later why does Eliezer refer to Rachel as an Almah when speaking to Rachel's father?
What is the context of all of this since the site is biased?
Gen 24:16 And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin Betulah H1330, neither had any man known her: and she went down to the well, and filled her pitcher, and came up.
compared to
Gen 24:43 Behold, I stand by the well of water; and it shall come to pass, that when the virgin Almah H5959 cometh forth to draw water, and I say to her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water of thy pitcher to drink;
On your opening statement on this post: LOL I’m only following your lead Ivar Post #36.
Understanding the root word coming from H5958 shows exactly as you say, still doesn’t explain or maybe it does but is yet undefined why H5959 mentions Virgin. Meaning, you still have not addressed, or can even bring yourself to repeat that Strong’s H5959 includes it in its definition.
Note: Looking at Genesis 24:16 you don’t wonder how the writer knew that this girl was a virgin, when she was yada? Just curious.
By the way did you ever look up my suggestion to see how “tense” might affect the word usage of Almah vs Betulah? In particular the two verses you have quoted back at me Gen 24:16 & v43, which I brought up in post #53? The first person, third person and you can toss in there the second person as well. It’s quite possible that the perspective is what has changed and so the writer determined the usage of the word Almah in one place while in another Betulah was valid to use since both signify virgin.
We can look at Genesis 24:16 and we see this is written in the third person, while Genesis 24:43 is in the first person. This must also be taken into consideration contextually of what we are reading and how words were used within the writings we now handle. This is used in English, so I don’t know how it might have looked in the original language or even if they used this as part of their grammar in ancient days. All I can do is work within the English language I do know, and the definitions provided in the knowledgeable source books from writers who do.
At times we can take this for granted in our reading, because unless you happen to be an English major, you would not necessarily look at the sentence structure in this fashion unless you were the writer or editor. I know I don’t, at least not until the Spirit moved me to do so the other day (post #53).
You may believe that I’m grasping at straws here, but I do not. This is just another consideration that hasn’t as yet been looked at, which is similar to Virgin being found in H5959.
Question #1 ;
How did the Holy Spirit get around this law?
Proverbs 6:29 So he that goeth in to his neighbour's wife; whosoever toucheth her shall not be innocent.
Is this for Men only?
Are the sons of God and Holy Spirit be exempt from this?
So, dear Ivar. Do we, humanity, know the full extent of the Natural Law that God works within, and if so are we able to determine what He can be exempted from? I don’t think so, and I’m sure neither do you. Why? Because to acknowledge otherwise is to place God in a box of our own creation which causes us to ignore the full extent of God’s Power to effectually work within the Natural Law. I can show this by using only one word and this is “Miracles”. It is only the presumptuousness of man that disregards them and fails to see the possibilities of the Natural Law in the hands of its Creator. I won’t quote scripture to you, because you know them and have quoted them to others.
Just remember that Iron sharpens Iron goes on all sides or only one side gets sharpened.
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Love of Christ Immanuel
Ivar[/QUOTE]
Love you too Ivar.
In the name of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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