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Proving Joseph Father "According to Flesh" with Isaiah's Commission & Wisdom of Solomon Chapter 7 "Apocrypha"

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2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Ecc 11:5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
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Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

1Co 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

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Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Matthew 1:2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
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John 1:43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.

John 1:44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.

John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
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Luke 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears

Luke 4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
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John 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

John 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
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Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
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Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
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Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

2 Samuel 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
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Luk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
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Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
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Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Genesis 1:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
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1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

Isa 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Isa 6:11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,

Isa 6:12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.

Isa 6:13 But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.
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Wisdom of Solomon Chapter 7 "Apocrypha"
1 I myself also am a mortal man, like to all, and the offspring of him that was first made of the earth,

2 And in my mother's womb was fashioned to be flesh in the time of ten months, being compacted in blood, of the seed of man, and the pleasure that came with sleep.

3 And when I was born, I drew in the common air, and fell upon the earth, which is of like nature, and the first voice which I uttered was crying, as all others do.

4 I was nursed in swaddling clothes, and that with cares.

5 For there is no king that had any other beginning of birth.

6 For all men have one entrance into life, and the like going out.
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H5959 comparison with H5958 comparison

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin H5959 shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

1Sa 20:22 But if I say thus unto the young man,H5958 Behold, the arrows are beyond thee; go thy way: for the LORD hath sent thee away.

(KJV) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h5959
al-maw'; feminine of H5958; a lass (as veiled or private): —damsel, maid, virgin.

(KJV) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h5958
eh'-lem; (compare H5959) properly, something kept out of sight, i.e. a lad —young man, stripling.

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H5959 comparison with H1331 comparison

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin H5959 shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Deu 22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid H1331; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity H1331. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.

(KJV) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h5959
al-maw'; feminine of H5958; a lass (as veiled or private):—damsel, maid, virgin.


(KJV) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h1331
(collectively and abstractly) virginity; by implication and concretely, the tokens of it:—× maid, virginity.

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Almah - Wikipedia
 
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Forgot / Overlooked Isa 48:16 " should look like this above"
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Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

1Co 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
 
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Curse of Jeconiah not mentioned
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Jeremiah 22:30 Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

Matthew 1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

Jeremiah 22:28 Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?
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2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

The Problem of the Curse on Jeconiah in Relation to the Genealogy of Jesus • Jews for Jesus https://jewsforjesus.org/answers/the-problem-of-the-curse-on-jeconiah-in-relation-to-the-genealogy-of-jesus-issues-prophecy/

What is the curse of Jeconiah? https://www.gotquestions.org/curse-of-Jeconiah.html
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Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
 
All that was said of Jeconiah came to pass! NONE of his!

True. But you know how the naysayers like to interpret any and all verses to try and justify Christ not coming in the flesh. Not trying give them an iota. If you or anyone else think of any scripture that they may use that I haven't included let me know.
 
Scriptue validates scripture with truth. And you've posted a good amount of them.
They'll either learn from this or just continue in their false doctrine ways!
 
What if WE use the word "loineage" instead "lineage" maybe they would get it! Lol!

Because they're not listening to CHRIST!
He said: I am of the seed of.
I am the offspring of.
 
True. But you know how the naysayers like to interpret any and all verses to try and justify Christ not coming in the flesh. Not trying give them an iota. If you or anyone else think of any scripture that they may use that I haven't included let me know.

1 John 4:1-4 is about testing the spirits; therefore the errant Biblical scholars attributing 1 John 4:3 as inferring the denial of Jesus had come in the flesh are missing the point of how we are to test the actual spirits.

1 John 4:2 is using the phrase "is come in the flesh" in regards to Jesus Christ is to be applied presently as in regards to the examination of our faith in Jesus Christ that He dwells in us ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 )

That is why in 1 John 4:3 those who do not confess that in according to our faith are saying that the Spirit of Christ is in the worship place or outside of us BUT that is the spirit of the antichrist that is in the world.

Confirmation that I am reading and applying His words correctly is 1 John 4:4 as in greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world. That is how you test the spirits.

And the Apocrypha is not accepted scripture.

As for denying the virgin birth....

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

So having married her, it is for that reason, Jesus is affiliated with Joseph's side of the family, but in no way was Mary actually seeded by Joseph until after Jesus was born thus Jesus was NOT of his seed.
 
@JesusIs4Me

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
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I have nothing else to say
 
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For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
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I have nothing else to say

Except that what you have argued for unwittingly is that God made Jesus an idol that can answers prayers like a god and save like a god and so forth and so on, thus in according to His words, God has sinned, but He has not because you are NOT taking all the truths stated in scripture, and what is worse, you have even gone outside the accepted scripture to what is not considered scripture "the Apocrypha " to argue for your errant belief in denying the deity of Christ Jesus.

So I agree that I have nothing more to share with you for God to prune you so that you may bear more fruit in the knowledge of Him, and so, with His help, I leave you to God the Father to reveal His Son to you that the Son is also God.
 
Except that what you have argued for unwittingly is that God made Jesus an idol that can answers prayers like a god and save like a god and so forth and so on, thus in according to His words, God has sinned, but He has not because you are NOT taking all the truths stated in scripture, and what is worse, you have even gone outside the accepted scripture to what is not considered scripture "the Apocrypha " to argue for your errant belief in denying the deity of Christ Jesus.

So I agree that I have nothing more to share with you for God to prune you so that you may bear more fruit in the knowledge of Him, and so, with His help, I leave you to God the Father to reveal His Son to you that the Son is also God.

He made him Chief Assistant,Example & A Leader

Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
 
Let's see OUR FATHER AHAYAH interacting with HIS people!

Prophets in the Apocrypha:

2 Esdras 1:1,3-4
[1]The second book of the prophet Esdras, the son of Saraias, the son of Azarias, the son of Helchias, the son of Sadamias, the son of Sadoc, the son of Achitob,
[3]The son of Aaron, of the tribe of Levi; which was captive in the land of the Medes, in the reign of Artexerxes king of the Persians.
[4]And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
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Tobit 13:3-4
Tobit 13:7
[7]I will extol my God, and my soul shall praise the King of heaven, and shall rejoice in his greatness.
[3]Confess him before the Gentiles, ye children of Israel: for he hath scattered us among them.
[4]There declare his greatness, and extol him before all the living: for he is our Lord, and he is the God our Father for ever.
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Judith 4:2,13
[2]Therefore they were exceedingly afraid of him, and were troubled for Jerusalem, and for the temple of the Lord their God:
[13]So God heard their prayers, and looked upon their afflictions: for the people fasted many days in all Judea and Jerusalem before the sanctuary of the Lord Almighty.
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Additions to Esther 10:9,12
[9]And my nation is this Israel, which cried to God, and were saved: for the Lord hath saved his people, and the Lord hath delivered us from all those evils, and God hath wrought signs and great wonders, which have not been done among the Gentiles.
[12]So God remembered his people, and justified his inheritance.
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Wisdom of Solomon 1:8
[8]Therefore he that speaketh unrighteous things cannot be hid: neither shall vengeance, when it punisheth, pass by him.

Wisdom of Solomon 2:23
[23]For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity.
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Ecclesiasticus 19:19-20
Ecclesiasticus 21:26
[26]The heart of fools is in their mouth: but the mouth of the wise is in their heart.
[19]The knowledge of the commandments of the Lord is the doctrine of life: and they that do things that please him shall receive the fruit of the tree of immortality.
Also
Teaches the HOLY SPIRIT
WA RAACH:
Ecclesiasticus 24:1,8-9
[1]Wisdom shall praise herself, and shall glory in the midst of her people.
[8]So the Creator of all things gave me a commandment, and he that made me caused my tabernacle to rest, and said, Let thy dwelling be in Jacob, and thine inheritance in Israel.
[9]He created me from the beginning before the world, and I shall never fail.
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Baruch 1:17-19
[17]For we have sinned before the Lord,
[18]And disobeyed him, and have not hearkened unto the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in the commandments that he gave us openly:
[19]Since the day that the Lord brought our forefathers out of the land of Egypt, unto this present day, we have been disobedient unto the Lord our God, and we have been negligent in not hearing his voice.
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Susanna 1:44-45,60,62
[44]And the Lord heard her voice.
[45]Therefore when she was led to be put to death, the Lord raised up the holy spirit of a young youth whose name was Daniel:
[60]With that all the assembly cried out with a loud voice, and praised God, who saveth them that trust in him.
[62]And according to the law of Moses they did unto them in such sort as they maliciously intended to do to their neighbour: and they put them to death. Thus the innocent blood was saved the same day.
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Bel and the Dragon 1:25,33,36
[25]Then said Daniel unto the king, I will worship the Lord my God: for he is the living God.
[33]Now there was in Jewry (Not jewish)a prophet, called Habbacuc, who had made pottage, and had broken bread in a bowl, and was going into the field, for to bring it to the reapers.
[36]Then the angel of the Lord took him by the crown, and bare him by the hair of his head, and through the vehemency of his spirit set him in Babylon over the den.
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1 Maccabees 5:2-3
[2]Wherefore they thought to destroy the generation of Jacob that was among them, and thereupon they began to slay and destroy the people.
[3]Then Judas fought against the children of Esau in Idumea at Arabattine, because they besieged Gael: and he gave them a great overthrow, and abated their courage, and took their spoils.
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2 Maccabees 3:4,29-30
[4]But one Simon of the tribe of Benjamin, who was made governor of the temple, fell out with the high priest about disorder in the city.
[29]For he by the hand of God was cast down, and lay speechless without all hope of life.
[30]But they praised the Lord, that had miraculously honoured his own place: for the temple; which a little afore was full of fear and trouble, when the Almighty Lord appeared, was filled with joy and gladness.
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Showing the MOST HIGH interacting with HIS people! These are all prophets and priests men of the MOST HIGH.

Now what was that you said about the Apocrypha?
Truth in The Apocrypha brings FEAR!
Did you learn that man was made to be immortal? In the Apocrypha!

We learn something new every day don't we?
 
JesusIs4me,
The Last post is for you since you were speaking against the Apocrypha!
 
He made him Chief Assistant,Example & A Leader

Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

There is a difference between the Son & the Father being of the One God and we being adopted by the Triune God. Jesus is God; we are not.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Ask God the father for wisdom because what Jesus says next is Him not defending Himself against their accusation.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. 39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Proclaiming His deity was why He was crucified;

Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. 65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy. 66 What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.

You better pray to the Father right now and ask Him for help to see His Son as God also.
 
There is a difference between the Son & the Father being of the One God and we being adopted by the Triune God. Jesus is God; we are not.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Ask God the father for wisdom because what Jesus says next is Him not defending Himself against their accusation.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. 39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Proclaiming His deity was why He was crucified;

Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. 65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy. 66 What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.

You better pray to the Father right now and ask Him for help to see His Son as God also.

@JesusIs4Me
Whoever want to believe that The Lord is one in three lords/person can go right ahead.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Deu 6:4 Hear H8085, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
(KJV) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h8085
H8085 - shama` = Hear/Understand/Obey

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

The Lord is one Lord
The Beginning of Creation is one Lord
Man is one Lord
Woman is on Lord
Firstborn is Chief Assistant
Offspring is Assistant

All should agree in one.
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This following is power and Godhead on Earth

Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
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Joh 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
 
@JesusIs4Me
Whoever want to believe that The Lord is one in three lords/person can go right ahead.

I wish I can say the same to you, but I cannot because of what Jesus has said as a warning for not believing He is God.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
 
I wish I can say the same to you, but I cannot because of what Jesus has said as a warning for not believing He is God.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

@JesusIs4Me
That is in reference to not believing he is The Christ or Anointed of God

Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joh 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.


Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
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Also just because someone is above or not of this world does not make them God. Michael & Gabriel for example
 
@JesusIs4Me
That is in reference to not believing he is The Christ or Anointed of God

Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joh 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.


Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
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Also just because someone is above or not of this world does not make them God. Michael & Gabriel for example

You believing he is a mere man would have Him be a liar then, because that is the distinction He was making that He is God as He came from above as conceived by the Holy Ghost, and not seeded by a man as being of the world.

You are not discerning the full ramifications of His words for why He was saying this to men in the way He was saying it for.

John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. 20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come...........23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

He was crucified for blasphemy in claiming His deity with God the Father. He wasn't crucified for anything else. These words He has spoken as verse 20 above indicates were blasphemous for why He was not taken or stoned yet.
 
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