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[Christ4Ever]

you playing the chameleon is part of your demonic, earthly nature. the antichrist.

Dear Member Alley Oop,
You're being warned. You can have doctrinal differences, but when you start taking it outside of the scope of the subject at hand to an area that in truth is better left unsaid.
There is a problem. This is not the first time, but I truly hope it will be the last that because of some disagreement, that you become disrespectful to others.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[GodB4Us]

Rapture forum members should come & feel free to share your beliefs without any condemnation. There will be those that may disagree with your beliefs, but at least you have shared the talents the Lord wanted you to share.

It will be like putting the talent in a bank to generate interests. So feel free to share your believe about the rapture and why you do or don't believe in the partial rapture since you are not allowed to talk about it in Rapture forums.

Don't be the unprofitable servant that gets left behind for not sharing the talents the Lord has given you. You never know when God may cause the increase of those talents the Lord has given you to become two fold.

Matthew 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. 15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. 16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. 17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. 18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. 20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. 21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. 22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. 23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. 26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Once again, feel free to share your believe about the rapture and why you do or don't believe in the partial rapture since you are not allowed to talk about it in Rapture forums.

 

[Samson2020]

Many yrs ago, over 20 now. I was studying this subject without much increase, then one night I was stirred awake at 2 something in the morning and it was as if a switch had
been flipped and I knew exactly where to look and that was Matthew 24:29-31 It speaks to the subject of the gathering of the elect and just when that will take place.
The opening to the verses is "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS" thus, the gathering of the elect occurs AFTER the tribulation of those days.
Now when compared to the opening of the 5th and 6th seals, along with Daniel 11:33 it is evident that the elect will go through the tribulation period for a reason.
That reason to try them, to purge, and to make them white Dan 11:35. If you do bother to compare Dan 11:33-35 with what happens at the 5th seal opening Rev 6:9-11 then
you should have no trouble understanding when the gathering takes place. Pay special attention to Rev 6:11 vs Dan 11:35

When the sixth seal is opened Rev 6:12 matches exactly with what happens in Matt 24:29 And that occurs IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS.


Ask and ye shall receive.

 

[Alley Oop]

Many yrs ago, over 20 now. I was studying this subject without much increase, then one night I was stirred awake at 2 something in the morning and it was as if a switch had
been flipped and I knew exactly where to look and that was Matthew 24:29-31 It speaks to the subject of the gathering of the elect and just when that will take place.
The opening to the verses is "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS" thus, the gathering of the elect occurs AFTER the tribulation of those days.
Now when compared to the opening of the 5th and 6th seals, along with Daniel 11:33 it is evident that the elect will go through the tribulation period for a reason.
That reason to try them, to purge, and to make them white Dan 11:35. If you do bother to compare Dan 11:33-35 with what happens at the 5th seal opening Rev 6:9-11 then
you should have no trouble understanding when the gathering takes place. Pay special attention to Rev 6:11 vs Dan 11:35

When the sixth seal is opened Rev 6:12 matches exactly with what happens in Matt 24:29 And that occurs IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS.


Ask and ye shall receive.

no pearls of spiritual realities offered

 

[Samson2020]

no pearls of spiritual realities offered

What do you say to Rev 6:11 ? is the killing of disciples just a spiritual thing?

 

[Alley Oop]

What do you say to Rev 6:11 ? is the killing of disciples just a spiritual thing?

rev 1:3 and 22:10 states, These things ARE AT HAND.
It's a picture book of spiritual realities.
the secret is in the spiritual meaning of "souls being slain" in verse 9.

 

[Samson2020]

rev 1:3 and 22:10 states, These things ARE AT HAND.
It's a picture book of spiritual realities.
the secret is in the spiritual meaning of "souls being slain" in verse 9.

Disciples being killed with the sword, flame, etc is not a spiritual thing. It is a real physical thing that purifies the elect that experience it. Ask the Christians that were burned
as human torches during the days of Nero just how much of a spiritual thing being burned alive was.

Even Jesus Himself says in Rev 2:10 to fear none of those things that YOU WILL SUFFER and that the devil will throw some of you into prison, THAT YE MAY BE TRIED,....... be thou FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH...........

Suffering and death are not spiritual in the above verse.

 

[Alley Oop]

Disciples being killed with the sword, flame, etc is not a spiritual thing. It is a real physical thing that purifies the elect that experience it. Ask the Christians that were burned
as human torches during the days of Nero just how much of a spiritual thing being burned alive was.

Even Jesus Himself says in Rev 2:10 to fear none of those things that YOU WILL SUFFER and that the devil will throw some of you into prison, THAT YE MAY BE TRIED,....... be thou FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH...........

Suffering and death are not spiritual in the above verse.

then rev 2:11 says the overcomers will not be hurt of the second DEATH.
because you've dismissed rev 1:3 and 22:10, you don't have spiritual ears to hear.
if you are a universalist, then you should understand the true nature of the second death.
but you don't.

 

[Samson2020]

because you've dismissed rev 1:3 and 22:10, you don't have spiritual ears to hear.
if you are a universalist, then you should understand the true nature of the second death.
but you don't.

Ok then explain your understanding of it if you think you know more than the rest of us.

 

[Samson2020]

Throwing a verse out here and there does not establish a doctrine.

The letters to the various churches are indeed letters to each of the elect in this present day according to where they are in their walk, so that part is indeed AT HAND, but some is still
futuristic prophecy and not just spiritual

 

[Alley Oop]

What do you say to Rev 6:11 ? is the killing of disciples just a spiritual thing?

if you want to unspiritualize rev 6:11, then also naturally literalize
the next three verses too . .
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

 

[Alley Oop]

Throwing a verse out here and there does not establish a doctrine.

The letters to the various churches are indeed letters to each of the elect in this present day according to where they are in their walk, so that part is indeed AT HAND, but some is still
futuristic prophecy and not just spiritual

Ok then explain your understanding of it if you think you know more than the rest of us.

before I do, tell me your interpretation of the Second Death.
If you get it right, then I'll explain it to you in pm.

 

[Samson2020]

before I do, tell me your interpretation of the Second Death.
If you get it right, then I'll explain it to you in pm.

The second death is a redo of what is happening now, so that another group of elect will become sons, it is unclear that they will have the same portion dispensed to them as the first
born always gets a double portion, but none the less coming into life everlasting.

 

[Alley Oop]

The second death is a redo of what is happening now, so that another group of elect will become sons, it is unclear that they will have the same portion dispensed to them as the first
born always gets a double portion, but none the less coming into life everlasting.

"a redo of what is happening now" - what does that mean?

 

[Samson2020]

"a redo of what is happening now" - what does that mean?

Death, the grave, satan, the beast-government, false prophet-false religion are all thrown into the second death. All these things we have now in the first death period of time.
A redo is a restart for those that were not part of the first fruits, that is why they are judged ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS, as ALL of them did not have the spirit which
disqualified them from being in the first group, and that by the Fathers choice.
Only ALL of them will have seen Jesus at the general resurrection of the dead (2ND)

 

[Alley Oop]

Death, the grave, satan, the beast-government, false prophet-false religion are all thrown into the second death. All these things we have now in the first death period of time.
A redo is a restart for those that were not part of the first fruits, that is why they are judged ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS, as ALL of them did not have the spirit which
disqualified them from being in the first group, and that by the Fathers choice.
Only ALL of them will have seen Jesus at the general resurrection of the dead (2ND)

in your version of universalism, will there be an end to the second death?

 

[Samson2020]

in your version of universalism, will there be an end to the second death?

yes as there are at least 3 harvests that I can see.

 

[Alley Oop]

yes as there are at least 3 harvests that I can see.

correct, which is why "there shall be no more death" Rev 21:4. No more first death, no more second death. the first death is the death (being killed) of the first man, Adam - The Old Man must be killed. In that is the Revelation of Jesus Christ - the New Man.
There is your answer.

 

[Samson2020]

Rev 7:9 puts a nail in the coffin of death, as a great multitude that no man can number of all nations, kindreds, people, and tongues is not a small remnant.

the first death is the death (being killed) of the first man, Adam - The Old Man must be killed. In that is the Revelation of Jesus Christ - the New Man.

I have no problem with that as death is the last enemy to be destroyed and that can only happen if ALL have come into the life that was paid for by Christ's shed blood on the cross.
When the Bible speaks of the second death it is a dispensation of time wherein each group is brought into that life according to the election of the Father. It uses the term second
death but will be the death of the Adamic nature for each called out one that participates in that dispensation, thus the death of Adam in them.
Now if there is a 3rd death period of time in which another and possibly last group is brought to perfection, it will still be the death of the Adamic nature for them as well.
Were not that far off from our understanding I think. We just maybe say it in a different way?

 

[Alley Oop]

Rev 7:9 puts a nail in the coffin of death, as a great multitude that no man can number of all nations, kindreds, people, and tongues is not a small remnant.





I have no problem with that as death is the last enemy to be destroyed and that can only happen if ALL have come into the life that was paid for by Christ's shed blood on the cross.
When the Bible speaks of the second death it is a dispensation of time wherein each group is brought into that life according to the election of the Father. It uses the term second
death but will be the death of the Adamic nature for each called out one that participates in that dispensation, thus the death of Adam in them.
Now if there is a 3rd death period of time in which another and possibly last group is brought to perfection, it will still be the death of the Adamic nature for them as well.
Were not that far off from our understanding I think. We just maybe say it in a different way?

The Second Death is the death of death. The nature of death is Adam, who must die.
The carnal mind is death - Rom 8:6