They read and read and study and study and yet they do not understand
Yes, we see that in your posts...
It is set before your eyes you see it every day but you don't see it you don't understand what you are reading
On the contrary, I not only read and understand, I also employ a full and complete Biblical hermeneutic in my study of Scripture, as a professional theologian, along with the aid of the Spirit. And you? What, only "read" it?
Do we not claim that the word is it divine inspiration of God? If this is true then why don't we actually follow what is written?
I do...but you are adding to the Scripture what is NOT there. Why do you not follow what you tell others to do? You know what that makes you, right?
Or do we only follow what suits us
Again, you are speaking for yourself here, obviously.
It can't get too much more plainer than what you have read from me if Jesus is the word of God and the word of God is what wrote the laws on to the stone tablets for Moses Then we know that the Law comes from the Word spoken by God, If the words come from God and we know that the Word is God and then the Word speaks the Law, love God with all your heart love God with all your strength love God with all your mind love God with all your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself, The Word spoke this, it is His word, it is the law of the Word and the Word and God are One
What is "plainer" to see is that you employ carnal reasoning into your theology, and that is a huge no-no. Try this simple reasoning...I have written books, but I and my books are NOT one. God spoke the law, but the law and God are NOT one and the same. Jesus gave us the new law of the new covenant that replaced the old law and its old covenant - yet Jesus and the Law of Christ are NOT one and the same thing. You are employing carnal reasoning here, which does NOT come from the Spirit of God.
Jesus himself said that he is not here to do away with the law but to fulfill the law. How could the One that speaks the law negate his own word.
First of all, that is not what He said...this is how practically every bastardized English translation reads (it is the ESV)
Matthew 5:17-18
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
But this is NOT how it reads when the full compliment of Greek grammar is fully employed:
Matthew 5:17-18
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 Truthfully, I tell you,
if heaven and earth perish, not one dot or the smallest stroke of the pen will pass away from the law without being fulfilled.
"if heaven and earth..." = the translation here of "if" is arrived at by taking the grammar of the Greek into consideration, where it is usually ignored in word-for-word translations. It is the Greek word
heos which basically means "until," but when it is followed by the particle "an" ( ) as it is in this text, it indicates mere probability, not certainty, of the action addressed; this is particularly true (in this case as well) when the word is immediately followed by a verb in the Subjunctive mood. Therefore, it takes on the meaning of "if" and not "until." Secondly, the word "perish" comes from the first appearance of the word
parerchomai, which has the basic meaning of "to pass away" or "to pass near," but in this first use of the word in this text (for there are two times that it appears), it takes on the meaning of "to perish," whereas in its second appearance and use, it takes on the implied meaning of "to pass away without being fulfilled." Therefore, Jesus is not saying that He did not come to do away with the law or prophets, but rather that neither heaven nor earth would pass away before all had been fulfilled in the law and prophets. This is a far cry from what Reformed Theology tells us that the passage means.
Here Christ tells us that not one thing from the law of Moses will pass away, "without being fulfilled." He was speaking in an unusual way, for He is referring to the law of Moses which He Himself had already fulfilled, and more, at His baptism. John at first refused to baptize Jesus because he knew that Jesus didn't need a baptism of repentance, because He was the Messiah - He had never sinned. In Christ the law of Moses was completely fulfilled, but Jesus said to him, "Suffer it to be so now, for this is how we are to fulfill all righteousness," and then John baptized Him. We also know that Jesus fulfilled all the Mosaic law because we have other passages that tell us that He abrogated the law of Moses, and replaced it with the Law of Christ (see Luke 16:16; Eph. 2:15; and Heb. 7:12, 8:13, and 10:9). When looking up these references, remember that the words 'law' and 'covenant' are synonymous - the law is the covenant, and the covenant is the law (see Exo. 24:38 and Deu. 4:13). Another example of Christ speaking this way about something as if it had not yet been fulfilled, when it actually had been fulfilled, is when He said that Elijah was coming, and then a few lines later explained that "Elijah had already come," and then explained that John the Baptist was Elijah. When comparing this text with passages that teach that Christ did fulfill and abrogate the law of Moses, keep in mind that God does not contradict Himself, ever...therefore, the answer will only be found when we take all the passages pertinent to this 'apparent' contradiction, and harmonize them together with each other.
Therefore, with the full facts on the subject, Jesus did NOT say that He did not come to do away with the old law and covenant, and He did fulfill them and when He did, He DID do away with them, just as Scripture teaches...
Matthew 11:12-13
From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force.
For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John,
Luke 16:16
The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.
Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you,
since you are not under the law [of Moses] but under grace.
Romans 7:6
But now we are released from the law [of Moses], having died to that which held us captive, so
that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
2 Corinthians 3:11
For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
Ephesians 2:15
by
abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
Hebrews 7:18
Because on the one hand,
the former law is abrogated because it was weak and useless,
Hebrews 8:13
In that He said a new covenant,
He abrogates the first one, and it is abrogated and has become old, and vanishing away as we speak.
Hebrews 10:9
then He added, "Behold, I have come to do your will."
He does away with the first in order to establish the second.
You're not making any sense.
Wrong...in light of all of the previous evidence, you are the one who is not making any sense, mostly due to your uneducation in Scripture.
If you are trying to say that we're going to do away with the old laws and why should we not kill each other why do we follow that law still.
The old law, "You shall not commit murder..." is still fulfilled in the law of Christ, because you cannot murder someone and be loving on them at the same time, right. You cannot commit sexual immorality with a person and be loving on them at the same time, right? Think, man...use your brain.
The difference between the old Covenant in the New Covenant is not the law. The laws that were set down in stone were made eternal. Because it was the Word that spoke the Law into existence. They are the laws of God and are still valid today. Those laws will never change. Just like the two greatest Commandments that Jesus spoke of loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself these things are eternal.
Nope, the 10 commandments were NEVER given to be eternal. It was from God's very plan that they were only "until John." You are believing lies from others, bill. The Scriptures I gave you above tell you to your face that Christ abrogated the law of Moses, the law of God, the Mosaic Law, and whatever other name you want to call them. On the other note, you demonstrate that you know nothing about covenants. ALL covenant have law, it is what's called "covenant law." That law is the law of the covenant, meaning that it contains the stipulations, the conditions that YOU must meet in order to continue abiding in that particular covenant.
The law of the new covenant is what we are under today IF you are a bonafide Christian...if you are not walking in obedience to that law, then you are no longer abiding in Christ and that means that you are not a Christian any longer...until you fix yourself and get with God's program.
You seem to be mixing apples with oranges you're confusing yourself on certain aspects.
No, bill...I am a theologian, I know how to study Scripture. The problem here is that you have never been taught how to read and study Scripture...THAT is the problem. I will be glad to help you in that area, if you consider yourself a truth seeker. If you are nothing more than a bias defender, then there's no reason to go there...
One of those has to do with the difference between the physical Jesus the spiritual Jesus and God.
No, there's that carnal reasoning again, because you felt backed into a corner. None of the passages I gave you have to do with any such thing, it has to do with the differentiation between the law of Moses and the Law of Christ, which did away and replaced the law of Moses. Remember Jesus' words here...
Matthew 9:17
Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved."
In context here, Jesus is saying that you CANNOT mix the old covenant with the New Covenant. We see people trying this in Acts, and they were denounced for it. When you try to keep the old, when it no longer exists in operation, then you are mixing the old with the New and sabotaging all of your efforts...because the New supersedes and replaced the old.
To be honest there is no real difference between any of those accept the way we perceive everything. It is in this very thing that I believe you are missing me on. Because for me everything is very clear but for you it's very confusing.
Sorry, bill, but you have that exactly backwards. I see it clearly, I have been taught how to, and you have not. What you *think* is clear is not, it is confusing you. I gave you Scripture, and you are actually arguing against what it clearly states, for some teaching that you have received from men who didn't know what they were talking about. Unlike them (and you), I can DEMONSTRATE what I say with Scripture. When you argue against Scripture, you
will lose every time.
