Sarah Palin and Abortion

[natty threads]

Since the U.S. Constitution prohibits secession (since the perpetual union that came with the Articles of Confederation is still binding on the states and federal law is the supreme law of the land, thus secession is impossible), no party that advocates secession can be constitutional.

I'm sorry, I missed the "articles of confederation" in the Constitution.
Which article and number would that be?

What's that?
It's not in the Constitution?
Then how is violating the articles of confederation unConstitutional?

It might occur to someone that if a clause is excluded when a contract is rewritten that that clause is NOT part of the new contract.

It would make more sense to say we violate the Constitution because we disagree w/Roe v Wade.

Bless up, flaja.

Read more Matthew.

God loves you.
Let Him.

 

[rizen1]

Palin is not God, nor is Mc cain...it’s a bit to much when Christians hold people highly because they claim God without even sitting with them in person all we know about Obama and Mc cain is what they want to tell us...

Unless one of you can say, well I grew up with Biden and Palin so I've seen their fruits then its more than words.

How can a Christian be Pro life and pro war at the same time.
Is one life more sacred than the other, an america baby has more right to live than a muslim who lives daily in oppression and find some distorted hope in their faith.


Bush won with morals, abortion is still here and we need to open our eyes. When you become president it doesn’t mean you get to change the laws and write bills as you please. Bush’s proposal on abortion would have been established. But if it was,... the Republican party would have nothing to win votes on because abortion is apparently the only issue facing Americans today. Crime could be put to the back, so can guns, drugs, sex slaves, school violence, hate crimes, child abuse, kidnapping, spousal abuse, child pornography, education, healthcare,


you want abortion erased, now what programs are going to be in place for these single parents and young mothers having these babies. Free healthcare, affordable education, more schools for teen age mothers.

Why do people have abortions ?
Most of these women or young girls come from backgrounds we know nothing about, emotional abuse we have never suffered. We get them to keep the baby, what next . Yes we saved a life, but what did we put in place to help these females when they keep their babies. Are you going to send them cheques in the mail, withdraw cash from your savings to give to them. Are you willing to home school that teenage mom that have no access to special schools , so she can graduate from high school.

It's easy to tell someone how to live their life when you never walked their shoes. More babies mean more money, more food, healthcare, education, clothes.

Abortion can not be the only thing we care about, especially if there are no programs set up to help these families.

I know palin had issues with sex education in school, but if she really looked at the problem with an open mind and not just scream abstinence., she could enforce abortion studies to be part of sex ed. Let these kids see images of deformed dead babies, let them learn the risk of having an abortion. Education is important. I’m not sure if she changed her stand on this, politics flip their words easily. Palin’s teenage daughter got pregnant and this should encourage her to enforce sex ed and abstinence programs in school.

I’m pro life and I believe our leaders need to put things in place for these mothers, so they can enjoy their baby inside of them knowing they can provide.

The church needs to rise up, quit being lazy , hoping for the government to make their jobs easier.....You make the difference not the Government. They can set up all the laws they want, its not going to stop abortions, but it will force women to secretly have illegal abortions risking their lives.

When we hit the streets with the word of God, a difference will be made, lives will be changed, hope will be restored...because its only the Blood of the lamb that can set captives free. God is our refuge, he's our fortress.

The reason you and I won't have an abortion is because we have God...thats what we need to give these females, God not a law they can break when no one is watching

I say no to abortion, I say yes to universal healthcare ( its a right, not a privilege to have medical assistance, Government's job is to serve, if they can not be trusted then why elect them. )

You want to stop abortion, go stand outside a Parent planning building, give out a tract, take someone out to lunch and introduce them to Christ, invite them to church.

You want to stop abortion,
Go stand outside those abortion mills and pray, not once a year, if abortion makes you really sick, if abortion is a reason to elect a government then your anti- abortion should cause you to pray every day at those mills.

What are you doing to fix the problem, putting a pro life Government in power is good, but it will be the Government making the change not you.

You and your church make the change, bashing obama and biden does nothing, I never heard Jesus commanding us to bash but to love.

Matthew 22:37-40, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”

Most of you think he's muslim, and would outwardly express it without holding back resentment. In any space of time did you ever offer prayer for him, he is your neighbour, muslim or not.

Flaga....Anybody who believes that the Republicans will ever end abortion is crazy. Republicans cannot end abortion without giving up one of the main campaign issues that they use to drive gullible conservatives to the polls come election day. They simply won’t do it. They value their political offices more than they value human life.

Well if I look at bush ( republican party ) over the 8yrs...babies still dying.

Flaga.. I don’t like Palin because no decent mother would abandon her children for a job that will run 24-7.

Well some might say, her job could be the reason her abstinence home was shaken with a teen pregancy. It would be ignorant of me to say if elected her family would not be affected, yes the kids can fly with her once its not tax payers money funding the cost. But being a mom is hard, and not being there for your kids is harmful for the kids development. When you put God first and put the fear of God in your kids, there is hope.

My mom is a single parent, and it was hard not having both parents. I'm ok only because I had God.

 

[Amen!]

The last time I checked it takes both a mother and a father to adequately raise children. Palin cannot be an adequate mother and an adequate VP. There simply isn’t enough time in the day to be both.

But Barack Obama CAN be an adequate father to Malia Ann (10) and Natasha (7) as well as an adequate President of the U.S. because your logic only holds true for the "mother" half of that equation, right?

Palin is not God, nor is Mc cain...it’s a bit to much when Christians hold people highly because they claim God without even sitting with them in person all we know about Obama and Mc cain is what they want to tell us...

Unless one of you can say, well I grew up with Biden and Palin so I've seen their fruits then its more than words.

I'm sorry, but this isn't reasonable. I did not grow up and witness firsthand the foundational tenets of Christianity, yet I am almost always able to discern between godly and ungodly. These candidates don't ask you to trust and not verify. We all have the God-given ability to research the man/woman behind the statement.

How can a Christian be Pro life and pro war at the same time.

I thoroughly oppose abortion. In the case of rape/incest/risk to my or the child's health, I would give birth to the baby, just as Sarah Palin did. I would not, however, condemn anyone who chose abortion under those circumstances. I do condemn those who choose to abort a child for convenience/economical purposes.

God is the giver of life, sometimes that life is an extreme, insurmountable struggle, but He gives it, regardless. Obviously, a comfortable, easy lifestyle isn't a factor in God's eyes as to who deserves life and who doesn't. Otherwise, He wouldn't permit any child to be conceived to such conditions. Who are we to make such judgements?

I support the Iraq war and any future war defending Israel. I AM NOT, however, "pro-war" as you seemingly define it. (It's late, I'll explain in a later post.)

 

[Chad]

How can a Christian be Pro life and pro war at the same time.

Pro-life is about abortion. I've never heard that term used in any discussion outside abortion. I can be wrong.

War = protect our freedom. This can easily go into a political rumble of opinions (oil, lies, money, power, weapons, etc). However, each American solider used their GOD given free will to choose whether or not they would join the Army or Marines, knowing fully that partaking in a war was a definite possibility.

So, its two different subjects here. A solider chooses his or her path knowingly, freely. An unborn baby must be spoken on behalf of by us believers to defend their GOD given life.

I don't think 'pro-war' is pro literally, obviously anyway. Its more so that the candidate supports war to defend the country's freedom. Remember 9/11, do you sit back and do nothing or do you go fight? Fight = war. That's the result, sadly but the only path left.

GOD declared war in the OT also, don't forget. Its man's screw-up, but GOD allows certain things to happen to punish these nations/peoples that disobey Him - long after they wear out His patience. And we all know our awesome GOD is extremely patient, slow to anger and merciful to those who repent. Well, some refuse to repent and war becomes a common thing throughout the generations.

 

[rizen1]

GOD declared war in the OT

You are right God did declare war in the OLD testament.
Palin said the war is a task from God, so I understand where you guys are coming from.

I see I’ve struck a nerve, I will refrain from saying anything about Palin and Mc Cain.

It’s sad to know the only conclusion taking from my extensive post was ‘’ rizen thinks Christians love war.
I’m not ignorant to the meanings and circumstance of each term, pro-life and pro-war. It’s been 8yrs at war and I’m not sure if the body count of Iraqs and financial debt mean success, but we need to question stuff. After 9/11 the call to go to war made sense, but 8yrs after we have no Bin laden. I hear stories and witness soldiers who return messed up in the head.

A war is always justified when you put God and Israel in the same sentence to many. There is no need to get the details behind the war it just makes sense. Maybe the only way to tame a violent lion is to go into the den and throw stones at it. Is this war about gaining Power or freedom ?

You can’t accept everything people tell you, its always good to analyze and ask God for wisdom.
In the last days there will be wars, God knew the ignorant and wicked hearts of the men today, and he’s able to use them for his plans.

“But Barack Obama CAN be an adequate father to Malia Ann (10) and Natasha (7) as well as an adequate President of the U.S. because your logic only holds true for the "mother" half of that equation, right? “ Amen

I think you can answer that question yourself if you study the male and female roles in a marriage from the bible. Today the family holds different roles, but it was not the original idea. So if you go back to tradition and ask that question about Obama you’ll get the answer. ( obama and Palin are not single parents so they have roles to follow. ) My mother is a single parent, its not the way God intended, but it worked only because God was there. A woman can have a job but her roles outlined in the bible should not be erased because we have women’s rights and we want to be equal to men. A side note because of women’s rights abortion is seen as a choice. Independent women thinking gave birth to " my body my right to choose''.

The mean idea of my post was not to bash Palin, I didn’t mean to offend anyone by speaking about her. But it was to challenge you. You can not read six lines , reject 43 lines and come up with one conclusion. If you continued pass the 6 lines and read the remaining paragraphs your response would have been about abortion. Maybe those few lines was easier to answer but it was only the introduction.

I apologize if I hit a nerve by talking about Palin , I will refrain from such an emotional subject.
I was going to use Jesus’s teachings on how to treat our neighbors and enemies, but as stated above God did declare war in the old testament. It would be useless to even list the commandments of love because this verse ‘’’John 10:30 I and the Father are one."‘will be used to justify the war. ( I’ve seen it used )

Please read the remaining 43 lines to understand the subject “ abortion” not war.

I again I apologize for mentioning Palin truthfully.
God bless.

 

[solidsnakeslug]

good post sister. I really like the points you made and they truly are important. Good post. Keep up the good work.

 

[Amen!]

It’s sad to know the only conclusion taking from my extensive post was ‘’ rizen thinks Christians love war.

You can not read six lines , reject 43 lines and come up with one conclusion. If you continued pass the 6 lines and read the remaining paragraphs your response would have been about abortion.

Please read the remaining 43 lines to understand the subject “ abortion” not war.

I read your entire post, word-for-word, very carefully. Twice, actually. I like to be thorough. I'm a perfectionist, I can't help myself. I believe I devoted more attention to the issue of abortion in my response than you are giving me credit for.

A war is always justified when you put God and Israel in the same sentence to many. There is no need to get the details behind the war it just makes sense. Maybe the only way to tame a violent lion is to go into the den and throw stones at it. Is this war about gaining Power or freedom ?

You can’t accept everything people tell you, its always good to analyze and ask God for wisdom.
In the last days there will be wars, God knew the ignorant and wicked hearts of the men today, and he’s able to use them for his plans.

Why would you assume anyone who supports the Iraq war has simply "drank the kool-aid"? Personally, I research the things I question and ALWAYS seek God's wisdom and guidance.

I wouldn't go so far as Palin did and say this war is a task from God, but I do believe this is a HOLY WAR between Christianity and radical Islam. I have watched Al-Jazeera broadcasts (and other Iraqi TV "news") that indoctrinate the people on the concept of jihad, which means "to struggle within". These radicalists have twisted the meaning of jihad to mean "religious struggle". In their minds, this IS the war of the last days. I have seen undercover video of their children in their classrooms at school. Children as young as preschoolers are performing theatrical renditions of slaying the unbelievers, jihad. This isn't a small, insignificant movement, either. It is rampant in Iraq and in almost every nation on earth there are communities of these radicalists whose purpose is jihad. The Islamic religion has been hi-jacked by these extremists and it is growing like a cancer. Michael Moore has done a horrendous disservice to this country by saying "there is no terrorist threat". He is wrong. Dead wrong. Prophecy is being fulfilled, rizen1. This isn't Armeggedon, but the sympathy and "peace at all costs" opposition is a desensitization to the truth of Revelations.

I think you can answer that question yourself if you study the male and female roles in a marriage from the bible. Today the family holds different roles, but it was not the original idea. So if you go back to tradition and ask that question about Obama you’ll get the answer. ( obama and Palin are not single parents so they have roles to follow. ) My mother is a single parent, its not the way God intended, but it worked only because God was there. A woman can have a job but her roles outlined in the bible should not be erased because we have women’s rights and we want to be equal to men. A side note because of women’s rights abortion is seen as a choice. Independent women thinking gave birth to " my body my right to choose''.

I am familiar with the biblical roles of the genders and agree that progressive views of gender roles and rights have given rise to advanced immoral, ungodly behaviors and beliefs, but sexist statements such as the one I quoted serve no purpose other than to demoralize and undermine the person, too often for very self-serving purposes.

Be blessed!
Amen!

 

[Amen!]

I just wanted to add one VERY CRUCIAL thing. Christian values in the United States are in extreme danger. If Barack Obama is elected president and the Democrats gain a supermajority by winning enough seats in both the House and the Senate (I think they only need four more seats in the House), their liberal causes will be unobstructed for no less than two years. They will have two years to legislate abortion rights, seperation of church and state laws, liberal judges appointed to both federal and state benches, redifining marriage and same sex union laws, etc. etc.

God have mercy on us all!

 

[rizen1]

I just wanted to add one VERY CRUCIAL thing. Christian values in the United States are in extreme danger.

Why are you living in fear ?

If God is for you no circumstance, no government can shake you. Why be afraid to lost your comfort zone. There are people around the world who have to hide to pray, go under ground for church and prosecuted for holding a bible.

We know nothing about losing freedom.

Gay Marriage and abortion should not make the church run in fear, but it should force us to become militant in our outreach. The church holds the standard of Christian values , not the world. They don’t even know what the definition of purity is.

Christian values is not something you protect, its something you do. We the believers set the standard. And if we’re walking waywardly what values do you expect the world to follow.

We want gay marriage to cease but how many homosexuals have we witness to, how many mothers did we convince to keep their babies. Putting a law in place is not going to change the world. How many people run red lights, talk on their phones while driving , text while driving , run stop signs. The law is there, but it can not change the hearts of men. But if we hit the streets, share the gospel and live holy lives that’s the only way to instill Christian values.

Being a witness.
Being a light.

Laws can be broken, we want people to turn from their ways because they have Jesus in their hearts.
9/11 attacks was suppose to humble hearts to the fact that superiority does not mean security.
Tragedy will come no matter what country you live in. A spirit of humility is needed in this land.

This cancerous, lethal, and destructive quality, probably more than any other negative quality, has brought down more kingdoms, toppled more empires, caused more wars, destroyed more marriages, ruined more friendships and led more criminals into our jail systems than all of the other negative qualities combined and put together. The spirit of pride has to be the absolute king of all the negative and destructive qualities that can enter into our personalities
….Michael Bradley.

How do you protect Christian values or heal this land..

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (KJV)

Very simple.


When I hear those words out of the mouths of Palin or Mc Cain then I'll know change is coming. That they are willing to be prosecuted for Christ. When you stand for Christ the world is suppose to hate you. Saying I love God is nice but I want the foundation of hell to shake with their plans for this country.

Palin is Christian, and Obama attends church they both have their views on how to fix this country but they are both wrong. Mc Cain is wrong so is Biden.

The solution is in 2 Chronicles 7:14.
And not one of them spoke those words, they may know it in their hearts but the bible said the truth shall set you free. If I was running as VP I’d get kicked out the race for using God as my answer for each question. I wouldn’t mind because people heard the message.


I do believe this is a HOLY WAR between Christianity and radical Islam.
At the beginning our leaders never mentioned it being a Christian war, but a search for weapons of mass destruction, also to find those responsible for 9/11. A new slogan is being waved and its about Israel. It’s pretty harsh to say you believe it’s a Christian jihad.

But we know biblically in the last days there will be wars. So its no surprise.
Our hope and trust must always be in the Lord, not man. The church can make a difference when we hit the streets.

Do you have any comments on the remaining 43 lines of my previous post on abortion.

p.s..go look up Northwoods aka operation northwoods and let me know if we can put your trust in man ( Government )

To keep this thread only about abortion, send me a pm if you have questions or comments on the war. I think we've played enough tennis on that subject.

God bless
Remember you walk by faith and not by sight.

 

[Amen!]

rizen1, I am not here to offend and/or cause strife. I have views I would like to express and appreciate the Spirit in which we both are able to discuss our views. Please do not be offended by anything I have to say. They are just my views and I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, an authority on the topic. I speak as a Sister.

On the topic of abortion, you insist that I have not addressed your concerns:

Do you have any comments on the remaining 43 lines of my previous post on abortion.

I have, however, completely addressed you concerns in post #23:

I thoroughly oppose abortion. In the case of rape/incest/risk to my or the child's health, I would give birth to the baby, just as Sarah Palin did. I would not, however, condemn anyone who chose abortion under those circumstances. I do condemn those who choose to abort a child for convenience/economical purposes.

God is the giver of life, sometimes that life is an extreme, insurmountable struggle, but He gives it, regardless. Obviously, a comfortable, easy lifestyle isn't a factor in God's eyes as to who deserves life and who doesn't. Otherwise, He wouldn't permit any child to be conceived to such conditions. Who are we to make such judgements?

You plan on voting in this election, right rizen1? From your posts, I feel safe in assuming that you will be. I also feel fairly secure in assuming you will be voting for Barack Obama because you feel a Democrat presidency and Congress will address the unwanted pregnancy issue as you view it. The thing is, though, rizen1, while you're telling me not to put so much faith in earthly institutions, our government, you are. While you are telling me that government is ineffective and undependable, you are looking to them for efficiency and dependability in solving the issues of poverty, struggle, healthcare, education, etc.

Abortion can not be the only thing we care about, especially if there are no programs set up to help these families....I’m pro life and I believe our leaders need to put things in place for these mothers, so they can enjoy their baby inside of them knowing they can provide.

You are right that all of us should be reaching out to them with compassion, love and assistance, but we cannot limit ourselves to reactive solutions. We must be proactive as well. Abortion is murder and we cannot allow our government to sink into darkness. Abortion "rights" will be cemented. The rate of abortions will increase under a Democrat presidency/Congress. When access to abortions are made more legal and easy, the rate of unwanted pregnancies will rise, as well. Under Republican administrations, there has been progress in beating back the damage done by Roe vs. Wade. It's an unfinished work that'll never be finished under a Democrat administration, that's a gaurantee.

We, the believers, in Christ, are the ones responsible for these families and through Christ that work should be done. The fact that it's not being sufficiently done is OUR SIN, not our government's sin.

When I hear those words out of the mouths of Palin or Mc Cain then I'll know change is coming. That they are willing to be prosecuted for Christ. When you stand for Christ the world is suppose to hate you. Saying I love God is nice but I want the foundation of hell to shake with their plans for this country.

Palin is Christian, and Obama attends church they both have their views on how to fix this country but they are both wrong. Mc Cain is wrong so is Biden.

The solution is in 2 Chronicles 7:14.
And not one of them spoke those words, they may know it in their hearts but the bible said the truth shall set you free. If I was running as VP I’d get kicked out the race for using God as my answer for each question. I wouldn’t mind because people heard the message.

If God had wanted men that fit your description of an ideal leader in positions of power, He would have raised them up and given the voters the heart to elect them. Romans 13:1 There is a specified time for these conditions. Revelations. Also see my favorite passage in my signature. The way we believe things should be doesn't always align with God's will.

To keep this thread only about abortion, send me a pm if you have questions or comments on the war. I think we've played enough tennis on that subject.

You have effectively shut me up on this subject because I respect authority.

Be blessed, rizen1
Amen!

 

[rizen1]

I'm sorry I'm lost, no where did I say I'm voting Obama or that the democratic party is the right one.( please quote me to clear that up ). I have not promoted any party. Just because I state some facts about Palin doesn't mean the other guy can do a better job.

Repeatedly I've stated the Church needs to make the difference, so I'm not sure how you got the idea that I'm promoting Obama.

While you are telling me that government is ineffective and undependable, you are looking to them for efficiency and dependability in solving the issues of poverty, struggle, healthcare, education, etc

Please quote me on this, like I said I've been pleading that we the body of Christ makes the difference so I'm not sure where you're getting this from. Nothing is wrong with outlining the needs that need to be addressed. Abortion is only one issue.
It's unfair to assume because I don't praise Palin I'm for Obama. On every thread that talks about elections I've repeatedly said only God, and God alone I put my trust.

Yes the Government can put their laws but what is the church going to do about the problem.

When I asked for you to go back to my 43..it was to address this, I already know your pro-life.

The church needs to rise up, quit being lazy , hoping for the government to make their jobs easier.....You make the difference not the Government. They can set up all the laws they want, its not going to stop abortions, but it will force women to secretly have illegal abortions risking their lives.
When we hit the streets with the word of God, a difference will be made, lives will be changed, hope will be restored...because its only the Blood of the lamb that can set captives free. God is our refuge, he's our fortress.

The reason you and I won't have an abortion is because we have God...thats what we need to give these females, God not a law they can break when no one is watching
I say no to abortion, I say yes to universal healthcare ( its a right, not a privilege to have medical assistance, Government's job is to serve, if they can not be trusted then why elect them. )
You want to stop abortion, go stand outside a Parent planning building, give out a tract, take someone out to lunch and introduce them to Christ, invite them to church.

You want to stop abortion,
Go stand outside those abortion mills and pray, not once a year, if abortion makes you really sick, if abortion is a reason to elect a government then your anti- abortion should cause you to pray every day at those mills.

What are you doing to fix the problem, putting a pro life Government in power is good, but it will be the Government making the change not you.



The church should not run from their responsibilities.
The church should not live in fear, but remain faithful in prayer.
The church have to become militant with outreach.
The church should not depend on the Government to do their Job.

That's all I was trying to say, maybe I wasn't verbal enough. The body of my post never once glorified Obama. But God, because he alone knows his plans.

If God had wanted men that fit your description of an ideal leader in positions of power, He would have raised them up and given the voters the heart to elect them. Romans 13:1 There is a specified time for these conditions. Revelations. Also see my favorite passage in my signature. The way we believe things should be doesn't always align with God's will.


I should have broken down my words to prevent confusion. I never said this is the true description of a leader. That statement you quoted came after this .

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (KJV)
Very simple.
When I hear those words out of the mouths of Palin or Mc Cain then I'll know change is coming. That they are willing to be prosecuted for Christ. When you stand for Christ the world is suppose to hate you. Saying I love God is nice but I want the foundation of hell to shake with their plans for this country.


Then I will know change is coming....what did I mean ?. 2 Chronicles 7:14 made it clear what we have to do to heal a nation. This is the last days and change is not coming and it goes back to my message that the church need to wake up. Let the Government do their job, but we have our jobs to do. Man laws don't take sinners to heaven.

My message is the church can make a difference . I’m not sure how many others ways I can say it.

My message sounds scary because I'm not praising Palin or Mc Cain. It leaves you wondering who I support and you assumed Obama. I lift my eyes up unto the heavens that’s where my help comes from. The blood of Jesus set me free and I know it has more power than anything else. That gives me an open mind of thinking because I hold no tides to any political party. If someone made an error I can say it because it won’t affect me personally, they’re just people. The winner only God knows.

At the end of the day, no matter who is elected we need to ask ourselves.
What can we do to help ?'

Maybe is wrong to say the church is above the government, but that's how I see it spiritually. Our hands and feet making the difference. People shouldn’t get offended or take things personal when their favorite politician is called out. I seem to get heat because I don’t praise Palin. If elected I still have my job to do, my world shouldn’t stop because of elections. I’m not a citizen of this world, I’m here on business to do my Father’s work. People walking around like dead zombies and I’m more concern about the affairs of this world. No way.

Originally Posted by Amen!
I just wanted to add one VERY CRUCIAL thing. Christian values in the United States are in extreme danger.

But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well. Matthew 6:33

Stop worrying about those things. And let it bring you to your knees seeking God. Asking him how you and your church can help.

"Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day Matthew 6: 24

There’s no need to sound the alarm, just worship God and let tomorrow take care of itself. We need to stop imposing fear on voters. Fear is not from God. If Obama is the so called anti-christ, that's not going to affect me. My life is in God's hands. I'm not Joe the Plumber , I'm a Soldier in the army of the Lord. Their policies and plans might change my situation but my spirit will not and can not be shaken. Its by the grace of God, I survive each day.

In other words don’t let this elections get you hyped up, what will be would be. And from your own words.

The way we believe things should be doesn't always align with God's will.

Be blessed and know God is in control, equip yourself remaining in his word. And find ways to make a difference in your community.

If you need me to break down any of my statements to help you understand , I have no problem. I don't get offended, people who think its about them get offended. It's about God and not me, so don't worry. God killed that spirit of Pride and blessed me with a humble spirit.

What matters is Jesus.
Gesu ha preso la vita mia, E non voule lasciami
Amen.

 

[nologoboy]

I just want to give a bit of an outsider's overview on the elecion if I may. I follow US politics very closey because the decisions made in your nation deeply affects the rest of the world.

I think Christians that voted for Bush could fee justifiably hoodwinked. The Republicans know their support base and would never win an election without catering to it so that's what they do. I think that Palin was introduced as the VP candidate because McCain refused to talk at length about his faith and it was backfiring for him in the lead-up. So, along comes Palin and all of a sudden christian values were thrust into the lmelight. That was an intelligent calculation by the GOP, even if the candidate herself lacked any robust sense of intellectual credibility. Unfortunately for her and the Republican's cause, there was a bit of dirt thrown around that discredited her further...a pregnant teenage daughter , allegations (and then charges) of abuse of power etc. I am sure it didn't help their cause.

On the flipside, Obama had a fulltime team of evangelic Christian strategists that courted the Christian community all over the country. It worked a treat. I am also convinced that he showed his own true colours in addressing Christian rallies and prfessing his very strong Christian beliefs. I can't imagine how anybody could doubt his heart on that on.