Seven Scientific Proofs of God - 10-29-21

[MedicBravo]

Seven Scientific Proofs of God

Is it possible to know whether God is real? Can we know for sure? Yes we can! We only need to examine the evidence and accept what it clearly reveals.

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1. Science has discovered ample evidence that the universe had a beginning.​

2. Science has found the universe to be fine-tuned for life.​

3. Scientists can’t explain the origin of life and its genetic code apart from an Originator.​

4. Science has proven that biological life runs by millions of exquisitely programmed “robotic machines.”​

5. Science has found the earliest evidence of life to be of great variety, fully formed and without transitions.​

6. Science has shown the earth to be a unique planet with so many “just right” conditions to sustain life.​

7. Science reveals the universe is precisely mathematically designed while allowing for free will.​

 

[Brother Paul]

Seven Scientific Proofs of God

Is it possible to know whether God is real? Can we know for sure? Yes we can! We only need to examine the evidence and accept what it clearly reveals.

www.ucg.org

1. Science has discovered ample evidence that the universe had a beginning.​

2. Science has found the universe to be fine-tuned for life.​

3. Scientists can’t explain the origin of life and its genetic code apart from an Originator.​

4. Science has proven that biological life runs by millions of exquisitely programmed “robotic machines.”​

5. Science has found the earliest evidence of life to be of great variety, fully formed and without transitions.​

6. Science has shown the earth to be a unique planet with so many “just right” conditions to sustain life.​

7. Science reveals the universe is precisely mathematically designed while allowing for free will.​

Amen.

 

[MedicBravo]

Amen.

The biggest problem in this is that so many, some Christians included NEED:
Physical evidence. They want the original scrolls. Testimony by Jesus himself recorded (somehow) on every issue ever. The biggest one is they want Him to show up just to "prove" Himself.
Faith and Science/evidence go hand-in-hand. Science attempts to explain what we cannot without limited brains.
The evidence that is all around us including these examples are "not good enough" but they've no authority to decide what is proof. The fact is the proof is there and denial of it is an opinion not fact.

 

[Brother Paul]

The biggest problem in this is that so many, some Christians included NEED:
Physical evidence. They want the original scrolls. Testimony by Jesus himself recorded (somehow) on every issue ever. The biggest one is they want Him to show up just to "prove" Himself.
Faith and Science/evidence go hand-in-hand. Science attempts to explain what we cannot without limited brains.
The evidence that is all around us including these examples are "not good enough" but they've no authority to decide what is proof. The fact is the proof is there and denial of it is an opinion not fact.

True. In fact, the presence of the physical realm is a second Holy Book.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Brother Paul -- what so mean by a second Holy Book -- how about just the Bible

 

[Sue D.]

@ MedicBravo -- your #4 is the only one I disagree with.

 

[PloughBoy]

The biggest problem in this is that so many, some Christians included NEED:
Physical evidence. They want the original scrolls. Testimony by Jesus himself recorded (somehow) on every issue ever. The biggest one is they want Him to show up just to "prove" Himself.
Faith and Science/evidence go hand-in-hand. Science attempts to explain what we cannot without limited brains.
The evidence that is all around us including these examples are "not good enough" but they've no authority to decide what is proof. The fact is the proof is there and denial of it is an opinion not fact.

a portion of your quote:
"The biggest one is they want Him to show up just to "prove" Himself."
Answer: he will Show up.

…"For this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘Because you clapped your hands and stomped your feet and rejoiced over the land of Israel with a heart full of contempt, 7therefore I will indeed stretch out My hand against you and give you as plunder to the nations. I will cut you off from the peoples and exterminate you from the countries. I will destroy you, and you will know that I am the LORD.’


Ezekiel 6:14
I will stretch out My hand against them, and wherever they live I will make the land a desolate waste, from the wilderness to Diblah. Then they will know that I am the LORD.'"
Ezekiel 21:31
I will pour out My anger upon you; I will breathe the fire of My fury against you; I will hand you over to brutal men, skilled in destruction.
Ezekiel 21:32
You will be fuel for the fire. Your blood will stain your own land. You will not be remembered, for I, the LORD, have spoken.'"

Oh, they are going to Know, Because when he shows up "The Dead is going to wake up Too! And Sit Straight UP!

He is going to Prove it! Whether you are dead or alive! Be careful what you wish for.

Many think that death is safety, But i got news for you, WHEN GOD Speaks, The DEAD IS going to wake up! You cannot hide in the grave.

 

[Brother Paul]

@ Brother Paul -- what so mean by a second Holy Book -- how about just the Bible

The creation shows His handiwork. Most of the early fathers if Modern Science KNEW they would find lawful orderliness and did, God reveals Himself in what He made,

 

[MedicBravo]

a portion of your quote:
"The biggest one is they want Him to show up just to "prove" Himself."
Answer: he will Show up.

…"For this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘Because you clapped your hands and stomped your feet and rejoiced over the land of Israel with a heart full of contempt, 7therefore I will indeed stretch out My hand against you and give you as plunder to the nations. I will cut you off from the peoples and exterminate you from the countries. I will destroy you, and you will know that I am the LORD.’


Ezekiel 6:14
I will stretch out My hand against them, and wherever they live I will make the land a desolate waste, from the wilderness to Diblah. Then they will know that I am the LORD.'"
Ezekiel 21:31
I will pour out My anger upon you; I will breathe the fire of My fury against you; I will hand you over to brutal men, skilled in destruction.
Ezekiel 21:32
You will be fuel for the fire. Your blood will stain your own land. You will not be remembered, for I, the LORD, have spoken.'"

Oh, they are going to Know, Because when he shows up "The Dead is going to wake up Too! And Sit Straight UP!

He is going to Prove it! Whether you are dead or alive! Be careful what you wish for.

Many think that death is safety, But i got news for you, WHEN GOD Speaks, The DEAD IS going to wake up! You cannot hide in the grave.

That time is not here. No one knows the hour and day.
If we truly care for another, we want them to learn the truth and be with us and our Lord strangers included.

 

[Brother Paul]

@ Brother Paul -- what so mean by a second Holy Book -- how about just the Bible

Augustine of Hippo wrote

Some people, in order to discover God, read a book. But there is a great book: the very appearance of created things. Look above and below, note, read. God whom you want to discover, did not make the letters with ink; he put in front of your eyes the very things that he made. Can you ask for a louder voice than that?	Alius, ut inveniat Deum, librum legit. Est quidam magnum liber ipse ipsa species creaturae: superiorem et inferiorem contuere, attende, lege. Non Deus, unde eum cognosceres, de atramento litteras fecit: ante oculois tuos posuit haec ipsa quae fecit. Quid quaeris maiorem vocem?
Sermones, 68, 6 [= MAI 126, in PLS 2,501-512]

 

[PloughBoy]

Augustine of Hippo wrote

Some people, in order to discover God, read a book. But there is a great book: the very appearance of created things. Look above and below, note, read. God whom you want to discover, did not make the letters with ink; he put in front of your eyes the very things that he made. Can you ask for a louder voice than that?	Alius, ut inveniat Deum, librum legit. Est quidam magnum liber ipse ipsa species creaturae: superiorem et inferiorem contuere, attende, lege. Non Deus, unde eum cognosceres, de atramento litteras fecit: ante oculois tuos posuit haec ipsa quae fecit. Quid quaeris maiorem vocem?
Sermones, 68, 6 [= MAI 126, in PLS 2,501-512]

But in Augustine time there was no "Bible". But He did pickup a copy of a letter to "Romans" when the children in The Play yard, start singing "TOLLEL LEGE" "TOLLEL LEGE", He heard them singing, and he "Look down" and saw a copy of the Letter to Christians in "Rome" and He read it. And got saved.

"Tollel Lege" "Tollel Lege" = "pick up Read" "Pick up Read". for John Calvin was "A AUGUSTINIAN" And for me, "PloughBoy", I once was know as "The AUGUSTINIAN Monk" "My Avatar" I study "Augustine" for years. [ I ate and slept "Augustine", many years ago.]

Tolle lege

Featured snippet from the web​

Tolle Lege is Latin for the command “take up and read” that St. Augustine heard from a mysterious voice during his conversion to Christianity, which he took to mean read the first passage he came across in [a copy of the Letter to The Christians in "ROME"].Feb 5, 2015

When did the word bible start being used?

The biblical scholar F. F. Bruce notes that John Chrysostom appears to be the first writer (in his Homilies on Matthew, delivered between 386 and 388) to use the Greek phrase ta biblia ("the books") to describe both the Old and New Testaments together.
Augustine, also called Saint Augustine of Hippo, original Latin name Aurelius Augustinus, (born November 13, 354, Tagaste, Numidia [now Souk Ahras, Algeria]—died August 28, 430, Hippo Regius [now Annaba, Algeria]; feast day August 28), bishop of Hippo from 396 to 430, one of the Latin Fathers of the Church and perhaps …When was the first complete Bible made?

5th century

The Muratorian Canon, which is believed to date to 200 A.D., is the earliest compilation of canonical texts resembling the New Testament. It was not until the 5th century that all the different Christian churches came to a basic agreement on Biblical canon.Apr 23, 2019


Gutenberg Bible, also called 42-line Bible or Mazarin Bible, the first complete book extant in the West and one of the earliest printed from movable type, so called after its printer, Johannes Gutenberg, who completed it about 1455 working at Mainz, Germany.

Like I have said,, I did not trust the church and i did not trust the BIBLE, I did a "intense" research how it came to be and I researched of the collective "committees' the people who "complied" and who put them together, even the "committees" who compile The "1611" AV. and why they were chosen.

We did not have a "public" internet service, When I learn all of this stuff. The internet comes up short and been "polluted" when referring to "Biblical elements" all our internet "lexicons" "encyclopedias" and about many past "Reliable Biblical SCHOLARS, of elements have been left out or curve with "The Quill".

But does it really matters? The answer is=== Not really. Why? "Because "GOD is GOD". All By HIMSELF" and "The GATES of HELL Cannot Prevail Against THE CONGREGATION of GOD, The one that "Christ" is Building.

But, "Fear Not, Little Flock"

"For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: but your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. Yet seek ye his kingdom, and these things shall be added unto you. Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Sell that which ye have, and give alms; make for yourselves purses which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief draweth near, neither moth destroyeth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Go TELL JOHN:

New King James Version
Jesus answered and said to them, “Go and tell John the things you have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, THE POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

I am not Subtracting But adding, That the Poor may hear.
It is the FATHER Good Pleasure to "GIVE You THE KINGDOM That IS TO COME" and Not This "DIME STORE" Perishing world.

So fret not Little FLOCK, OUR GOD HAS SOMETHING BETTER, than what the god of this world has to offer that fades away. IT May be Called "FOOLS GOLD" A gold, the things that fade away.

"THEY KINGDOM WILL COME THY WILL, WILL BE DONE"

 

[Brother Paul]

But in Augustine time there was no "Bible". But He did pickup a copy of a letter to "Romans" when the children in The Play yard, start singing "TOLLEL LEGE" "TOLLEL LEGE", He heard them singing, and he "Look down" and saw a copy of the Letter to Christians in "Rome" and He read it. And got saved.

"Tollel Lege" "Tollel Lege" = "pick up Read" "Pick up Read". for John Calvin was "A AUGUSTINIAN" And for me, "PloughBoy", I once was know as "The AUGUSTINIAN Monk" "My Avatar" I study "Augustine" for years. [ I ate and slept "Augustine", many years ago.]

Tolle lege

Featured snippet from the web​

Tolle Lege is Latin for the command “take up and read” that St. Augustine heard from a mysterious voice during his conversion to Christianity, which he took to mean read the first passage he came across in [a copy of the Letter to The Christians in "ROME"].Feb 5, 2015

When did the word bible start being used?

The biblical scholar F. F. Bruce notes that John Chrysostom appears to be the first writer (in his Homilies on Matthew, delivered between 386 and 388) to use the Greek phrase ta biblia ("the books") to describe both the Old and New Testaments together.
Augustine, also called Saint Augustine of Hippo, original Latin name Aurelius Augustinus, (born November 13, 354, Tagaste, Numidia [now Souk Ahras, Algeria]—died August 28, 430, Hippo Regius [now Annaba, Algeria]; feast day August 28), bishop of Hippo from 396 to 430, one of the Latin Fathers of the Church and perhaps …When was the first complete Bible made?

5th century

The Muratorian Canon, which is believed to date to 200 A.D., is the earliest compilation of canonical texts resembling the New Testament. It was not until the 5th century that all the different Christian churches came to a basic agreement on Biblical canon.Apr 23, 2019


Gutenberg Bible, also called 42-line Bible or Mazarin Bible, the first complete book extant in the West and one of the earliest printed from movable type, so called after its printer, Johannes Gutenberg, who completed it about 1455 working at Mainz, Germany.

Like I have said,, I did not trust the church and i did not trust the BIBLE, I did a "intense" research how it came to be and I researched of the collective "committees' the people who "complied" and who put them together, even the "committees" who compile The "1611" AV. and why they were chosen.

We did not have a "public" internet service, When I learn all of this stuff. The internet comes up short and been "polluted" when referring to "Biblical elements" all our internet "lexicons" "encyclopedias" and about many past "Reliable Biblical SCHOLARS, of elements have been left out or curve with "The Quill".

But does it really matters? The answer is=== Not really. Why? "Because "GOD is GOD". All By HIMSELF" and "The GATES of HELL Cannot Prevail Against THE CONGREGATION of GOD, The one that "Christ" is Building.

But, "Fear Not, Little Flock"

"For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: but your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. Yet seek ye his kingdom, and these things shall be added unto you. Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Sell that which ye have, and give alms; make for yourselves purses which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief draweth near, neither moth destroyeth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Go TELL JOHN:

New King James Version
Jesus answered and said to them, “Go and tell John the things you have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, THE POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

I am not Subtracting But adding, That the Poor may hear.
It is the FATHER Good Pleasure to "GIVE You THE KINGDOM That IS TO COME" and Not This "DIME STORE" Perishing world.

So fret not Little FLOCK, OUR GOD HAS SOMETHING BETTER, than what the god of this world has to offer that fades away. IT May be Called "FOOLS GOLD" A gold, the things that fade away.

"THEY KINGDOM WILL COME THY WILL, WILL BE DONE"

Excellent addition, thanks. However Calvin only took half of Augustine's view and ran with it. He should also have read On grace and free will which actually starts by destroying his slant and misapplication though 1000 years earlier

 

[PloughBoy]

Excellent addition, thanks. However Calvin only took half of Augustine's view and ran with it. He should also have read On grace and free will which actually starts by destroying his slant and misapplication though 1000 years earlier

But are we not all, a Part of The body of Christ, created in "Christ Jesus"? One Lord, One faith, One God? Many members but one. Don't we all see darkly as through a window. then when we are face to face. that which is in part will be done away. And we all, shall see HIM as HE is.

 

[PloughBoy]

1 Corinthians 12 (NASB) 1977
"18But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19And if they were all one member, where would the body be? 20But now there are many members, but one body. 21And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23and those members of the body, which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our unseemly members come to have more abundant seemliness, 24whereas our seemly members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked,25that there should be no division in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it. 27Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it."

 

[MedicBravo]

@PloughBoy
Your "job"? What is that? Enlighten us.
Your first paragraph is nothing but rambling and making assumptions you know what's going to happen after death.
You've no proof God told you to do anything. The Scriptures are done. There is no new information and you certainly don't have "special access".
Every post is some rant like you're some sort of preacher. You continue to make baseless and false statements.

 

[MedicBravo]

@ MedicBravo -- your #4 is the only one I disagree with.

What is the problem? Quotes means those "robots" are not actually robots.
In fact, in grade school Health you should've learned about DNA and mitochondria at a minimum. Those are "robots". In fact every cell of our body is a robot working to make one BIG robot.

 

[Brother Paul]

But are we not all, a Part of The body of Christ, created in "Christ Jesus"? One Lord, One faith, One God? Many members but one. Don't we all see darkly as through a window. then when we are face to face. that which is in part will be done away. And we all, shall see HIM as HE is.

And we shall be like Him and we shall know even as we are known. Amen, come quickly Lord messiah

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy
Your "job"? What is that? Enlighten us.
Your first paragraph is nothing but rambling and making assumptions you know what's going to happen after death.
You've no proof God told you to do anything. The Scriptures are done. There is no new information and you certainly don't have "special access".
Every post is some rant like you're some sort of preacher. You continue to make baseless and false statements.

Really, If God Spoke to me, tell me , How would you know. Kemosabe?

 

[MedicBravo]

I agree!

Really, If God Spoke to me, tell me , How would you know. Kemosabe?

You can't prove it. You can shout and type in all caps you want but there's nothing scriptural or evidence to back it. One can tell. People can learn but no one learns at the same rate. Have patience.

 

[PloughBoy]

I agree!

You can't prove it. You can shout and type in all caps you want but there's nothing scriptural or evidence to back it. One can tell. People can learn but no one learns at the same rate. Have patience.

Why would I want to prove it to you? My concern is my own "Hiney"! Because I am catching that First Boat Out, And going to get me a "Front Row, Seat, A Windows View! Yes sir, I am not worried about you, I am covering my own a__! You keep messing around and you will know why!

You better get yours in gear!!!