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Seven Scientific Proofs of God - 10-29-21

Just stop.
You're last part is you making assumptions. AGAIN. Try to stay on topic.
 
Interesting and important topic. The problem with Intelligent Discussion is the truth that none of us know enough to expound without moving away from the center of this topic. And then there are so many in the "It's not my job" catagory that are honest and they stand firm there. We cannot teach them that to be Christ-like we must go to the Lost, wherever we are.

For my knowng, Combat Medic with Boots On the Ground?
 
Just to add my $.02, when I read Dembski, Behe, and others, I think many accept an Old World Creationist model. This means they are among the group of us who view Genesis 1-11 as not to be taken literally. One of the reasons for this is the age of the documents involved that the Lord motivated Moses to collect and include (the Creation/Making story, the book of the generations of Adam, the book of the generations of Noah, etc.). There are a number of distinctions that divide the YEC and OEC camps, but studying the cognate roots of the words used in Genesis 1 and 2 makes all the difference in how we see its meaning.

For example, before Elohim creates the earth with rotates before a Sun, a 24 hour day cannot be measured and likewise until there is a Human to count the time in this way, it means that up until that time a day (or Yom) is from the Lord's perspective and a day unto the Lord is as 1000 years unto man. Secondly in that regard as we read the whole Bible we see two additional facts.

Another factor is that Moses (who wrote these down in the Hebrew), i.e., the same author, uses Yom (tr4anslatewd "day") in multiple ways. Yes he uses it as a 24 hour period but also as a non-descript period of time, a season, and so on. We have some equivalents in Modern English, like if I said, "remember the day we went to the ballpark?" I am obviously NOT speaking of us being there for an entire 24 hour period!

The other being what that which is mentioned above. For the ancient Hebrews, most of whom could not even read let alone write, 1000 was the highest counting number they would perceive. The majority could not even comprehend the thought od million or billions/. That is all through the Scriptures we hear of many thousands or 10,000 x 10,000, etc.

So this understanding makes quite a difference. COULD GOD do thus and so in 6 24 hour periods? Of course! But did He? In light of the actual evidence we do have it is unlikely. Imagine if the eternal omniscient God tried to detail all the processes in bringing about the Creation in scientific terms back then? The recipients He wanted to speak to would not even have understood the slightest bit.
 
Interesting and important topic. The problem with Intelligent Discussion is the truth that none of us know enough to expound without moving away from the center of this topic. And then there are so many in the "It's not my job" catagory that are honest and they stand firm there. We cannot teach them that to be Christ-like we must go to the Lost, wherever we are.

For my knowng, Combat Medic with Boots On the Ground?
That's why I trust the professionals in their niche areas who put it all in layman's terms for us.
Imagine if Jesus tried to explain God or His thoughts to us. Queu that melting scene from "Raiders From the Lost Ark".
Per your last, can you clarify?
 
Dear Brothers, @MedicBravo @PloughBoy
Do I have to separate you two again?
As difficult as it may be to stop it from being personal, or shooting each other down, please, I say please make an honest effort to do so and leave them out of your replies to each other!
Oh, and don't tell me that you could have said worse. Unless you're actually looking for some time away from TJ to contemplate why you shouldn't have answered that way!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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Dear Brothers, @MedicBravo @PloughBoy
Do I have to separate you two again?
As difficult as it may be to stop it from being personal, or shooting each other down, please, I say please make an honest effort to do so and leave them out of your replies to each other!
Oh, and don't tell me that you could have said worse. Unless you're actually looking for some time away from TJ to contemplate why you shouldn't have answered that way!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><
I will cease, no problem i will bow, I am wrong. that flesh oh my flesh, help me Jesus! I know, i am hard headed. and that mouth of mines. Lord help me!

PloughBoy.
Forgive me all.
Asking for prayers "LORD" Shape me and MOLD ME into That CREATURE that will OCCUPY all "ETERNITY" forever and ever to what you want me too BE! Burn Me and Mold me into that creature,That I might STAND before Thee. Broken and Contrite. as your word has demanded. :pensive: "HOLINESS".

Asking for prayers that I might Bow to OUR LORD and that I might be COMPLETE! For I know I am A sinful man! And I do not want to bow or serve Him in any way!:pensive:

Break me LORD!! that I have nothing left but thee.:pensive:

My Apologies,
I bow, to all "AUTHORITIES" for it is the will of GOD. and I am nothing but a "SLAVE" bond. and I thank GOD! "HALLELUJAH"! Let us all Praise GOD! to be worthy to be called by his name.
PloughBoy
 
does that line up with Jesus' second greatest commandment to us I wonder??

American Standard Version
So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

"12
So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure."

John 6 ASV

"No one can come to Me [JESUS} unless the Father who sent Me [drags] draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me."

These are only examples:

Mark 6:11
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that place, as a testimony against them."

Luke 10:11
Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet, we wipe off as a testimony against you.
Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near.'

Acts 13:51

So they shook the dust off their feet in protest against them and went to Iconium.

It is a reason they do not listen to you they hate you, and it is disguise. And they will kill you if they can. They hate the very JESUS that is In us! So says The Whole BOOK! They are not our brother and sisters.

That is why many of Christians will not RULE in "The MILLENNIUM KINGDOM" For they will always take the "ROUTE of KING SAUL" and Not obey "GOD" I am not saying they are going to hell! NO WAY! The will be in the KINGDOM but they Will Not REIGN in The KINGDOM. But they have their place and will be happy and joyful throughout ETERNITY. as The PEOPLE of GOD.

That is another reason they are not concern about reading the whole Book, they can do with out it, reading the whole BOOK, they do not need too! All is well with them eternity and all. They are well Bless too! They will not have to "RULE with A IRON ROD" they will not have to SHARE that RULE with CHRIST. But they will be happy living in The KINGDOM of GOD. But the Burden of THE SHARED Rule will Not Be on Their SHOULDERS. It is a RULE WITH A "IRON SCEPTER" Justice will be handed out QUICK and SWIFT!:pensive: "They will not have to worry, in all His HOLY MOUNTAIN"




"but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father."



But some and not all;

We did not ask for this
Matthew 13 BSB
…"He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’…"


I did not call on GOD or JESUS He called and Chose me! I didn't want to go!!

He made it plain to me! You did not call me neither did you choose me! I bought you, you ain't got no will. My will supersedes your will. :eyes: Oh, you ain't you going, We are going to see about that!:joy: You going to Know, I am GOD!!:joy: You are going to "NINEVEH"! well what is and where is "NINEVEH"? You will see!:joy:

Many don' t understand, what a"Miraculous Conversion" is or a "Theophany" is, the only way they know, they read it in a book by somebody who wrote the definition and has No idea or ever experience one.

And now they are a the "Authoritarian" on the subject!:joy::joy::joy:

And then you who have experience it. Start thinking that was not real.:joy: And then you stray off course. Here he come, Something Brand new to assure that The 1st. one was real! AND ONLY GOD can bring you Out of it And you KNOW! This A GOD THING!:joy:

You do not care what people think about you! You are going to do what He tells you to do! And say, and how to say it! No matter why kind of Trouble you get in!!!:joy:


People say they have read the whole BOOK no they Ain't!


I hope i answered your question.



:joy::joy:
 
Greetings,

probably a simple yes or no would have sufficed?
let you yea be yea and your nay be nay?


Bless you ....><>
I know,,,, if only i could reject GOD, and do it my way, Believe me I would, i would make it as short and quick as I could. and go look at the television set! I lost that battle over 40 years ago. I curse GOD out! I called him every name in The Sailors Book! :sob: I am telling you the TRUTH! He said nothing, But when I would walk in A Church any church or around People I look around I am wide open Talking about GOD! I am in agreement with you, but i will not argue with him again! You have no idea, what GOD have and will do to me! or anybody when he wants you to do something and you refuse! I don't care what kind of Church it is, Somehow I am up front. And that FIRE start BURNING. And every time i go back, no matter what state or what color or denomination! from the out house to Jewish, JAPANESE, Methodist, SpanIards, Pentecostals, Baptist, Southern Baptist, WALMART, KROGERS,:sob: I telling the TRUTH! LOL, One Time A GUY told ME to "SHUT the F up" and take it the CHURCH! Them I "TUNE UP" with one of THOSE "Black SPIRITUAL" songs my Mama taught me, game over. I was went to a "Prison" one time. It must have been over thousands prisoners there. they were cursing loud, saying ever word in the "Sailors book", that place had a "acoustic" sound. I could not take it anymore. I broke out with one of Those "BLACK SPIRITUAL" and I TUNE it UP!

That sound was like you never heard before, Some guys was holler at me to shut up, Cursing! And then others start "CURSING me To KEEP SINGING! yelling and told the others to shut and let HIM SING! And they said how can you sing like, how did you get that VOICE, I said Through pain and suffering, and the guards start showing up from everywhere and start dancing and clapping their hands, while I song about JESUS!:sob:

For I rather not say ONE WORD on HIS behave!!! Believe me it is true!!:sob: I am a "JONAH"! I always have refused and lived in rebellion and want no part of Proclaiming his WORD! i do not want no part of it! But THE FIRE of The HOLY GHOST, I try to hold it. I can't, I try to stop reading his word, i read it before i know it. The word of GOD comes in my DREAMS, And I will be teaching classes in MY DREAMS and be waking up everybody in the HOUSE! teaching in My sleep! and sometimes singing in Solo in the church, LOL! And Full of The HOLY GHOST in My DREAMS!:sob: I could be in a church in the pews and they start singing the congregational, they are going stop and look in the direction! I am telling the Truth.

Every body whats do things for GOD but me! Every Body would want my position but me! Even Directing "CHOIRS" and Men Chorus" they would put me on the spot. I would hide among the Congregation, come in late, They pick me out Called my name, or as a quest and tell me to say something, And THE FIRE START Burning! And I start talking about GOD, when I get through, they would say it is time to go home, we have heard the message today! And that preacher for the day, knows it is over before he stands up, i could see it on this face. And I tell it. i cannot help it. When i was young in the Ministry I would heard a voice say: "You better say it, if you do I am going to get you!" if can't get you, i am going get your wife" :sob: you better say it!
I would say it, and Monday that devil get me! So i start compromising, to please the people, don't hurt their feelings talk good nice "Emily Post", "Charm School stuff." Here Him come, What did I tell you what I was going to do, if you do not do what i tell to do, and to say and how to say it.

Now, I going to show you! Who" I AM" when I Get through with you; "You ARE GOING TO KNOW Who "I AM" " I AM GOD!"!:sob: 'I AM" going show you who to FEAR!:sob:

My wife said She was tired, everywhere we go, no matter what state what country she tired of being a "Celebrity" We would not even know the People!

Get 1st class seats, 1st. class dinner table seats, never had to show ID, but we always had them.

It ain't my fault, \The bible says, do not desire the choice seats, in other words, do not desire 1st place or leadership in any place or Be lord over anybody! I do not have to check myself, i don.t want it! ever since i have been a kid. They made me, take positions, That is some what, why i can understand The Reformers even JOHN CALVIN he wanted no part of any kind of leadership, they made him, by Threatening him, if he did not take those positions, what GOD would do to HIm. He was so scared his knees start shaking, He took leadership because He FEARED GOD!

They SHOT his HOUSE up with Big Bore Rifles with his family in it. because he was to strict in the church, he would not let those deacons, and the politicians have the girlfriends along with their wives, They could have 2 girlfriends plus their wives! They got mad, "Calvin" said, you ain't going to have it here! "Concubine & wives" up in here, drinking and Gambling and coming to my Church, your wives and Girlfriends sitting up in Here, And you are not going to take "Communion in Here" He said it will be over my DEAD BODY, they tried to take it anyhow, He block that!

They voted him out!! they going have to have their "CONCUBINES" in the church! :sob: And a few months later they beg him to come back! The church and GENEVA was on The WILD! they beg him, please come back, He gave them rules! " JOHN CALVIN" he CLEAN "GENEVA" Up! was Pastor and "Magistrate: There will be No "FORNICATED" up in here and GENEVA!:sob:
He got those politicians in line! people wonder why we have "Sunday Schools" in Churches and Wednesday night Bible Classes, and Friday nights too!

He clean that place up!:eyes: He did not "compromise: That is why a whole lot of lies has been spread about him, Just like JESUS, They said nothing good about JESUS when He walked this earth. Even the people he fed and healed, And he said it himself in the GOSPELs. They did not care about salvation! They wanted king, and get rid of The romans! They wanted a Jewish king like other folks, They did not want a "GOD"! the wanted a human King, to feed them and deliver them from taxes!

A lot people say they read their Bibles how come they know this stuff.?

Another short story by
PloughBoy.

I know, no one will read my Book. because most likely one would need a dictionary and Patience to read it. And I don't blame, them, And i keep it to my self, And many did know I could write like that. Even my family! everybody said" "YOU WROTE THIS" How did you learn to write like this? I learn how to write Christian Legal Writings, with no editor, or a ghost writer. Christian writings come under certain laws than regular book writings.

So all of those christians book we are reading are not wrote by the name on the cover! TD JAKES, JOEL OSTEEN ,JOYCE MEYER and ..etc
They do not know how to write christian materials! You would not believe what it takes to write a book "pertaining" to Christian thought materials.
They cannot write a christian base book on their best day! or begin to,

Christian writings have different laws, and you get sued quick, You can get sued for quoting "Scripture", translations and every time you quoting, you must show document it and what bible and the publisher of that bible with permission every time you Quoted it. You cannot even use the word "HOLY SCRIPTURE" Holy scripture is define as any kind of religious writings no matter what religion it is, And The Christian faith has 100's of "scripture" writings. and you have to careful how you use every term.

If any think I am lying pick up a "Christian Writers Style Manuel" after you study it for about six mouths, you might be able to write. And if you decide to pay a "editor", believe me, you are going to need about 4 editors. four different kinds. And pay top dollar just for "editors"!

I did my own. "GRAMMAR, SPELLING, TEXUAL STYLE, Research to check for errors, Research for Plagiarism, document every quote of The Bible and every publisher of that "VERSE" You cannot quote anyone unless you have permission, Then you must get a Publisher, and they will check to see if you have done the ground work. and you going to pay, Unless they think it is a good "MANUSCRIPT" I had "THOMAS NELSON". and they set me up in their writers program and all kinds of classes to write and in their writers clubs.


Another short story, now you know why i can write a lot. so know nobody can mustard the time to read My "Manuscript".
it would torture you, and i am too kind to do anyone like that.

I use to read about five different books a week as much as from 300- 700 pages long books. "Biographies" and Church histories from ROME, SPAIN, ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, GERMANY, all of the POPES, the church fathers, and their QUEENS, and KINGS. I enjoyed it. Some people like sports, I liked readings about those old Puritans, Huss, Knox, Bunyan, Whitefield, EDWARS.

ok, bye

Everybody run from me I talk to much about GOD! that is why i miss my mother, me and her could talk, about "GOD" all day long! she say come on lets sing a song. bring out all those hymn books and sing and sing me and her. sometimes she would start crying. And we talk about GOD and not people.

Bye i cannot check my bad writing and mistakes now, i got to rest! :sob:

I know you are not going to read all this!!!:sob: I am just old.

PS. Out here where i live at, all these million dollar homes with rich old people, They pay people to come and just listen to old rich people talk! Their kids do not even come to see them, there own grown kids, if they come, it is just to see if they are still alive. They want the money!

I telling you the truth! hey mines too! :sob: they want the house the cars my pants and shoes! LOL! The real Gold Plated plates and cups, the SILVER spoons, :sob: the money in the bank, the investment policies, if they have not spent it all already!
 
Greetings,

so in other words,

a simple yes or no is not an option?


Bless you ....><>
maybe. it is getting late in the day, My time is getting close. They will not have to worry about me! And when i get where The Lord is I can talk to him!

Yep i cannot wait, it has been a long time for since a kid, my saying has been "I want to meet my maker" and when I see him we are going talk,

LORD have MERCy, DID you HEAR ME! LORD!
 
I will cease, no problem i will bow, I am wrong. that flesh oh my flesh, help me Jesus! I know, i am hard headed. and that mouth of mines. Lord help me!

PloughBoy.
Forgive me all.
Asking for prayers "LORD" Shape me and MOLD ME into That CREATURE that will OCCUPY all "ETERNITY" forever and ever to what you want me too BE! Burn Me and Mold me into that creature,That I might STAND before Thee. Broken and Contrite. as your word has demanded. :pensive: "HOLINESS".

Asking for prayers that I might Bow to OUR LORD and that I might be COMPLETE! For I know I am A sinful man! And I do not want to bow or serve Him in any way!:pensive:

Break me LORD!! that I have nothing left but thee.:pensive:

My Apologies,
I bow, to all "AUTHORITIES" for it is the will of GOD. and I am nothing but a "SLAVE" bond. and I thank GOD! "HALLELUJAH"! Let us all Praise GOD! to be worthy to be called by his name.
PloughBoy

Prayers for you! Keep letting the Spirit lead you and guide you.
 
@Christ4Ever
PloughBoy thinks he's right all the time. I started this thread and I and many others, including who know more than him and I are right yet he/she persists.
If there's a block function maybe he should use it on me. I'm not here to start any problems. I will not change God for anyone.
 
@Christ4Ever
PloughBoy thinks he's right all the time. I started this thread and I and many others, including who know more than him and I are right yet he/she persists.
If there's a block function maybe he should use it on me. I'm not here to start any problems. I will not change God for anyone.

I thought it was a good topic. There are a few different views held by Bible believing Christians and I thought there would be more discussion. So good try. It is possible to somewhat ignore one another and focus on the topic issues. Prayers for you as well Medico! Be blessed
 
I hope i answered your question.

actually no you did not, nor did I expect you to, your conduct speaks volumes. But here is the word of God that should be on our hearts and minds at all times. It is deeply reflected in all of our posts,, those who obey it and those who do not.
If we all thought about this including me before we posted we would bring glory to God, sadly I rarely see it on hear, but I rejoice when I do see it, seems pretty clear by our posting who and who does not want to give true glory to God by obeying his word. Father God forgive me for posting on here sometimes out of pride and selfishness.

Hope that helps you with any confusion you seemed to have on what the second greatest commandment our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ gave us . Do you know what the first commandment is?

Mark 12:31

The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
 
actually no you did not, nor did I expect you to, your conduct speaks volumes. But here is the word of God that should be on our hearts and minds at all times. It is deeply reflected in all of our posts,, those who obey it and those who do not.
If we all thought about this including me before we posted we would bring glory to God, sadly I rarely see it on hear, but I rejoice when I do see it, seems pretty clear by our posting who and who does not want to give true glory to God by obeying his word. Father God forgive me for posting on here sometimes out of pride and selfishness.

Hope that helps you with any confusion you seemed to have on what the second greatest commandment our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ gave us . Do you know what the first commandment is?

Mark 12:31

The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
Amen
 
actually no you did not, nor did I expect you to, your conduct speaks volumes. But here is the word of God that should be on our hearts and minds at all times. It is deeply reflected in all of our posts,, those who obey it and those who do not.
If we all thought about this including me before we posted we would bring glory to God, sadly I rarely see it on hear, but I rejoice when I do see it, seems pretty clear by our posting who and who does not want to give true glory to God by obeying his word. Father God forgive me for posting on here sometimes out of pride and selfishness.

Hope that helps you with any confusion you seemed to have on what the second greatest commandment our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ gave us . Do you know what the first commandment is?

Mark 12:31

The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
After so, serious of thoughts, you night be right I might be a child of the DEVIL. full blown. Because The GOD whom I serve for over 44 years, has command me, To not have fellowship with a certain Group of people, He had taught me, To NOT GRIEVE The PARAKLETOS of GOD" and I am not taught by a Man or man's church or a man thoughts. but Only The BOOK that I have read.

And just maybe it is The DEVIl that is instructing me in the ways of a god and not The GOD of all ETERNITY that i thought I have read in the BOOK and refused to be taught by a man.

And I took this BOOK serious the BOOk and refuse isolated translated word verses and not the Original COPIED WORDS that GOD Actually SPOKE.
And perceive you are telling me, The TRANSLATIONS ARE TRUE, AND " The ORIGINAL COPIED Manuscripts" what GOD had Actually said is false.

You are saying this clearly. i know english language when i read it. I might be ignorant but not that ignorant.

your quote:
Mark 12: 31
"The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”"
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

A Old Testatment Quote for Old Testatment people.

'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

Now behold i will give you a "NEW COVENANT"


New American Standard Bible
“AND THEY WILL NOT TEACH, EACH ONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN, AND EACH ONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’ FOR THEY WILL ALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.

NASB 1995
“AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN, AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’ FOR ALL WILL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.

NASB 1977
“AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN, AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’ FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.

The New Covenant
…10For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. 11 No longerwill each one teach his neighbor or his brother,saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest.12For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”…

Jeremiah 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


I am different i must be of THE DEVIL,, FOR my god, have taught me everyman is not my brother and every man is not my neighbor.

So my advice consider me a child of the devil and since i am, "evangelize" me to another god who i do not know,

Ploughboy
has submitted that i could be in error
and tell god he will not bow to us. but remain strong within The VOLUME of The BOOK"

excuse my errors and writing grammar.

sorry to upset Your GOD! If I am wrong may he condemn me to hell for he is Justified in doing so. And I bow him too!
 
After so, serious of thoughts, you night be right I might be a child of the DEVIL. full blown. Because The GOD whom I serve for over 44 years, has command me, To not have fellowship with a certain Group of people, He had taught me, To NOT GRIEVE The PARAKLETOS of GOD" and I am not taught by a Man or man's church or a man thoughts. but Only The BOOK that I have read.

And just maybe it is The DEVIl that is instructing me in the ways of a god and not The GOD of all ETERNITY that i thought I have read in the BOOK and refused to be taught by a man.

And I took this BOOK serious the BOOk and refuse isolated translated word verses and not the Original COPIED WORDS that GOD Actually SPOKE.
And perceive you are telling me, The TRANSLATIONS ARE TRUE, AND " The ORIGINAL COPIED Manuscripts" what GOD had Actually said is false.

You are saying this clearly. i know english language when i read it. I might be ignorant but not that ignorant.

your quote:
Mark 12: 31
"The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”"
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

A Old Testatment Quote for Old Testatment people.

'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

Now behold i will give you a "NEW COVENANT"


New American Standard Bible
“AND THEY WILL NOT TEACH, EACH ONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN, AND EACH ONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’ FOR THEY WILL ALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.

NASB 1995
“AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN, AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’ FOR ALL WILL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.

NASB 1977
“AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN, AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’ FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.

The New Covenant
…10For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. 11 No longerwill each one teach his neighbor or his brother,saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest.12For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”…

Jeremiah 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


I am different i must be of THE DEVIL,, FOR my god, have taught me everyman is not my brother and every man is not my neighbor.

So my advice consider me a child of the devil and since i am, "evangelize" me to another god who i do not know,

Ploughboy
has submitted that i could be in error
and tell god he will not bow to us. but remain strong within The VOLUME of The BOOK"

excuse my errors and writing grammar.

sorry to upset Your GOD! If I am wrong may he condemn me to hell for he is Justified in doing so. And I bow him too!

Why do you feel this way? Each of God's actual children (and yes some are deceived) are at a different place on the Journey and at a different level of understanding. You and I may not agree on every matter but perhaps the areas we differ on have to do with our level or how we have been taught. But most who simply read the Book and allow the Spirit to lead them and guide them into all truth eventually see the essential purpose and truth it contains. Some hold Genesis 1 as speaking of 6 24 hour days while others not. Some take "this IS my body" in a wooden literal sense and others not. But we both believe in the one and only God and in Jesus the Messiah whom He has sent and the eternal value of His redemptive work on the cross. So are threse other matter essential? Does any human this side of Glory fully know Him as of yet? I think not. But the two greatest of commandments are not just for Jewish people or those of the Old Covenant but for us all (especially those of the New). Hang in there and trust Him and hold to and defend your view until such time as you cannot deny another perspective and then change to line up with the truth. This is all we can do personally and in the mean time be as kind and compassionate to others as you are able. God sees and He knows them that are His (and not all who claim to be are).
 
Dear Brother @PloughBoy
Even for one that is fully His, requires temperance or in other words self-restraint when it comes to the how one deals with presenting the Word that has been laid upon our Spirit to share at any given time with others.

It can appear to be a paradox at times, without feeling that one has acquiesced to the dark by doing so. We still temper our learnings so that they become uplifting and not overwhelming to others. Are any two of us alike? We don't always eat meat or drink milk, and some require a combination until some as yet undetermined time. So, we must keep in mind that we are the Body of Christ, not the entirety of it, just a part. Seeking that which is beneficial to the other parts, that in unity, though differing in many other aspects, are still able to function by our contributions to the whole in a way that Glorifies God!

Allow for the Spirit of God to move another to where He wants them to be, with the understanding that is God given. Sharing it with a compassion that is needed by some, while still being able to be uncompromising in the truth. For we know that many will accept a lie because it is more palatable to them and reject a truth because it disagrees with them. As with Salvation, we can but allow ourselves to be the vessel by which another may receive of which God desires for them to receive and not what we believe it should be. You could so easily be presenting to one specific audience, when another unintended by us to receive, does receive it in passing and is blessed by what is rejected by the many.

Yet, in all of it that we may present and comport ourselves in such a fashion that is reflective of the Love our God has for us. Above even the message we believe is needed by those we communicate with. For even as the words "we" have spoken fade away, the love we have shared them with, will still remain as a reminder of something greater than all of us. Which is God Himself! Alleluia!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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