Sexual Orientation Regulations

[stephen]

Apologies if you have already received or are aware of.......

Dear Christian Friends

You may not have seen it, but recently two Christian hoteliers in Cornwall, England, were taken to Bristol Crown Court and had to pay two homosexuals £3600 in compensation for not letting them stay in a double room in their home.

The homosexuals were funded by the government funded gay- rights group 'Stonewall', the Christians were funded by fellow believers. Stonewall had already written to the hotel, to pressure them into allowing homosexuals to stay.

It has all the hallmarks of a setup, even though the judge didn't agree.

The case is important, because the hotel did not allow any unmarried couples to stay either, regardless of sexuality.

They felt that 'marriage' was the place for sexual expression, and ran their establishment accordingly. The 'law' has now told them they can no longer do so, and if they remain in business they will be forced by law to act against their beliefs.

That is blatently unacceptable.

The ruling by a judge in Bristol sealed the supremacy of gay rights over Christian belief under the Sexual Orientation Regulations pushed through by Tony Blair four years ago. I would suggest that if anyone needed proof that Christianity is being systematically removed from British society, this is it.

Here is the story.

Christian hotel owners Peter and Hazelmary Bull penalised for turning away gays | Mail Online

And here is the petition, being sent to Downing Street. The case will be appealed

Repeal or amend Sexual Orientation Regulations Petition

 

[David777]

Homosexuality

Over here in Australia, we have laws in place to protect these people from persecution. I know from the Bible that God does not approve of homosexuality.

Romans 1:27 "and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

In fact, the medical condition called aids can be seen as a refutation of the practise of homosexuality. But that is my personal opinion.

In Australia, years ago, the catchcry of the homosexual lobby group was "what we do in the bedroom is a private matter".

Who could argue with that, the laws governing homosexuality were repealed. But, of course, they wanted much more. The right to marry, non-discrimination in the workplace, etc.

The difficulty I have, is how do you witness to homosexuals. Obviously, condemning their lifestyle choice will just create hostility.
I chose to just preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. When asked my opinion on homosexuality, my reply was simple. I do not have an opinion on homosexuality, but God does.

 

[David777]

March against homosexuality.

Two decades ago I was involved in a march against the softening of the law regarding homosexuality. I was a very young christian, totally ignorant of what this march represented.

Three thousand christians with banners held high, marched into Kings Cross, singing christian songs. Kings Cross is the heart of sexual debauchary in Sydney. The homosexual lobby had organised themselves into a violent, hateful, pack. In their eyes, their future was at stake. Nothing prepared me for the malestrom that Kings Cross became.

Five hundred metres from the epicentre of Kings Cross I was walking with these misguided christians.

Police were everywhere, on horses, foot, in cars. Trying to hold back the crowd of thousands from ripping us to shreds. Missiles flew through the air, condoms, cans, bottles. It was unbelievable. The noise of that crowd I will never forget.

 

[David777]

What happened

In reality, we represented a military assault by religous extremists on homosexuality. That's the way we were portrayed on the news. When I saw the news that night, I was not impressed. Older Christians in my church just smiled (you know that smile), when I told them about the previous day's march.

Live and learn, the march was a mistake, Jesus has more gentle ways of dealing with people. Christianity is not a confrontationalist organisation. It is the revelation of God in Jesus Christ. It is the truth of life itself. It is majestic, timeless, it carries the power of God himself.

 

[Alice.]

I don't think they should have been denied, I'm glad they won the case.

 

[Alice.]

Apologies if you have already received or are aware of.......

Dear Christian Friends

You may not have seen it, but recently two Christian hoteliers in Cornwall, England, were taken to Bristol Crown Court and had to pay two homosexuals £3600 in compensation for not letting them stay in a double room in their home.

The homosexuals were funded by the government funded gay- rights group 'Stonewall', the Christians were funded by fellow believers. Stonewall had already written to the hotel, to pressure them into allowing homosexuals to stay.

It has all the hallmarks of a setup, even though the judge didn't agree.

The case is important, because the hotel did not allow any unmarried couples to stay either, regardless of sexuality.

They felt that 'marriage' was the place for sexual expression, and ran their establishment accordingly. The 'law' has now told them they can no longer do so, and if they remain in business they will be forced by law to act against their beliefs.

That is blatently unacceptable.

The ruling by a judge in Bristol sealed the supremacy of gay rights over Christian belief under the Sexual Orientation Regulations pushed through by Tony Blair four years ago. I would suggest that if anyone needed proof that Christianity is being systematically removed from British society, this is it.

Here is the story.

Christian hotel owners Peter and Hazelmary Bull penalised for turning away gays | Mail Online

And here is the petition, being sent to Downing Street. The case will be appealed

Repeal or amend Sexual Orientation Regulations Petition

I'm also pretty sure they had a civil union, which is as close to married as they can be right now. So it was a married gay couple trying to get a room together.

 

[David777]

The cruel part

When the commotion died down, I was left with my friend in the middle of the main square of Kings cross. Rubbish and projectiles littered the landscape. I could not estimate how many arrests were made that day, it was out of control.

Then a young man walked up to me and in a gentle voice said "do you really hate us". I looked him in the eyes and said "no", Jesus loves you very much. How cruel was our march in the eyes of these people.

The problem was Christianity encroaching on the state and its laws. Seperation of church and state. What a complex issue for a young Christian to deal with.

 

[sunshineaaks]

In reality, we represented a military assault by religous extremists on homosexuality. That's the way we were portrayed on the news. When I saw the news that night, I was not impressed. Older Christians in my church just smiled (you know that smile), when I told them about the previous day's march.

Live and learn, the march was a mistake, Jesus has more gentle ways of dealing with people. Christianity is not a confrontationalist organisation. It is the revelation of God in Jesus Christ. It is the truth of life itself. It is majestic, timeless, it carries the power of God himself.

Sounds to me like you were in the wrong crowd with the religious nuts who anointed themselves judge, jury AND executioners. And yes I do know ‘that’ smile from the ‘older’ (though not mature yet) Christian. I don’t care how ‘old’ they are or how long they have been in their religion, these kinds are far from mature in Christ.

Had it been a march of the true believer against homosexuality (they would also add in corrupt government in their march) they would calmly (in constant prayer) march the streets with their banners stating God’s displeasure in sin, homosexuality, corrupt governments, hypocrisy, etc. along with God’s promise for forgiveness should they repent and turn from sin. Chances are, the government would do nothing to the crowds throwing bottles, sticks, stones and fire toward this marching crowd. Who knows, it may very well come to this one day once the true believers get off the backside and decide to stand for Christ instead of their own agenda.

As far as Christianity ‘not’ being a ‘confrontationalist’ organization, I have to disagree with you there. Countless times Jesus rebuked, got angry at, and most definitely corrected the scribes and Pharisees for their religious stupidity and ignorance. I don’t think we should be too much different than that, do you?

The followers of false teachers I tend to be more gentle with than those who teach such rubbish to gain followers but these ‘followers’ generally get it that they have to either read the Bible more and study rather than believe some preacher or they just make the choice to follow what they have been taught through the years without study.

Unfortunately there are gullible people out there who ‘need’ to believe something and they, just as unfortunately, will believe the false teacher before reading the Bible with prayer for understanding so that they might find a true church. For example, I watched a ‘healer’ who was ‘lengthening short legs” on people. Just spending time watching the videos it was quite obvious a shoe was loosened and then pushed on as the foot of the ‘ailing person’ was flexed. Healing or fraud. This one was more noticeable than others.

In talking with the homosexual or those following fallacies, gentleness is a must since most of the ‘christians’ they have had the misfortune of dealing with were either condemning or pat them on the head as if they are ok and going to heaven ‘anyway’.

Yes, they will get angry and make all kinds of accusatory statements about you, but that will subside as they get to know you and a heart that is after God rather than man. Wasn’t Jesus also accused of being a blasphemer?

I’ve experienced this, surely others have as well? Prayer at all times is a must when talking to any of the unsaved; He opens many doors and many hearts when HE is at the helm.

You may have only one chance to talk with an unsaved person and never see them again. Our character must be above reproach so that there is nothing about us that they can use for their excuse to reject Christ. (some will anyway if they can’t find another ‘good’ excuse) A good chapter to read would be 1Timothy 3 for a Christian leader”s character for starters. There are many verses that go along with this study.

 

[sunshineaaks]

When the commotion died down, I was left with my friend in the middle of the main square of Kings cross. Rubbish and projectiles littered the landscape. I could not estimate how many arrests were made that day, it was out of control.

Then a young man walked up to me and in a gentle voice said "do you really hate us". I looked him in the eyes and said "no", Jesus loves you very much. How cruel was our march in the eyes of these people.

The problem was Christianity encroaching on the state and its laws. Seperation of church and state. What a complex issue for a young Christian to deal with.

I'm sure this crowd did appear (and if like so many I've seen, were) cruel in the eyes of these people.

They, however, are not off the hook either when it comes to cruelty and hatred. I've also seen this with vicious attacks to gentle people who show nothing but deep concern for their eternity.

When one is faced with their sin, a sin they refuse to give up to follow Christ, they will many times become angry at whom ever would voice opposition to their choices.

 

[sunshineaaks]

Apologies if you have already received or are aware of.......

Dear Christian Friends

You may not have seen it, but recently two Christian hoteliers in Cornwall, England, were taken to Bristol Crown Court and had to pay two homosexuals £3600 in compensation for not letting them stay in a double room in their home.

The homosexuals were funded by the government funded gay- rights group 'Stonewall', the Christians were funded by fellow believers. Stonewall had already written to the hotel, to pressure them into allowing homosexuals to stay.

It has all the hallmarks of a setup, even though the judge didn't agree.

The case is important, because the hotel did not allow any unmarried couples to stay either, regardless of sexuality.

They felt that 'marriage' was the place for sexual expression, and ran their establishment accordingly. The 'law' has now told them they can no longer do so, and if they remain in business they will be forced by law to act against their beliefs.

That is blatently unacceptable.

The ruling by a judge in Bristol sealed the supremacy of gay rights over Christian belief under the Sexual Orientation Regulations pushed through by Tony Blair four years ago. I would suggest that if anyone needed proof that Christianity is being systematically removed from British society, this is it.

Here is the story.

Christian hotel owners Peter and Hazelmary Bull penalised for turning away gays | Mail Online

And here is the petition, being sent to Downing Street. The case will be appealed

Repeal or amend Sexual Orientation Regulations Petition

This kind of makes one wonder if the Girl Scout troops will be forced to allow the Hell's Angels into their troop meetings too, one day.

 

[LifeinJesus]

I don't think they should have been denied, I'm glad they won the case.

You're obviously not a Christian then. Sodom was destroyed for a reason. Homosexuality is an abomination. Those that do not repent from this DISGUSTING sin, will get a fitting punishment in Hell.


My apologies but homosexuals DISGUST me.

 

[Ruck4Jesus]

You're obviously not a Christian then. Sodom was destroyed for a reason. Homosexuality is an abomination. Those that do not repent from this DISGUSTING sin, will get a fitting punishment in Hell.


My apologies but homosexuals DISGUST me.

This is the problem I have with the more conservative Christians. You sit in judgment of others (in this case both of the LGBT community and of other Christians) rather than carrying on the message of love. I find it hard to imagine Jesus being "DISGUSTED" by anyone.

I'm glad this couple is fighting against homophobia.

 

[LifeinJesus]

This is the problem I have with the more conservative Christians. You sit in judgment of others (in this case both of the LGBT community and of other Christians) rather than carrying on the message of love. I find it hard to imagine Jesus being "DISGUSTED" by anyone.

I'm glad this couple is fighting against homophobia.

I'm not a Conservative Christian. I'm a true Christian. One who knows The Bible is 100% correct. So you proclaim God and Jesus are liars? The New Testament itself states homosexuality is wrong. So if you don't believe in The Old Testament, you've still got to believe homosexuality is wrong for the New Testament states so.

If homosexuals were born homosexual, why do bisexuals exist? The fact is, you've been brain washed by those who say "it's the modern day and we should accept this stuff" no we shouldn't accept this stuff. Accept it and die.

Many homosexuals have been cured and have seen the light that is Christ. Homosexuality and the act of doing it is very dangerous and this is why it must be avoided regardless of what silly sex teachers proclaim. If instruments are needed - it's unnatural.

Even before I became Christian - I knew homosexuality was wrong and that says it all really. We instinctively know what is right and what is wrong. Don't lie to yourself. It's no victory either for these abominations are doing Satan's work and we know what happens to Satan and his followers don't we? Rather of encouraging this sickening behavior, you should be fighting against it. Many have repented and all are forgiven. Homosexuality is not the way.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Praying for the success of the appeal and the successful operation of Mr. Peter Bull.

 

[Christ4Ever]

This is the problem I have with the more conservative Christians. You sit in judgment of others (in this case both of the LGBT community and of other Christians) rather than carrying on the message of love. I find it hard to imagine Jesus being "DISGUSTED" by anyone.

I'm glad this couple is fighting against homophobia.

First if you read the article you can see that they gave valid scriptural foundation for their belief. Seeing the post by ChristinJesus which addresses both OT and NT acknowledgement that homosexuality is wrong should as a Christian at the very least give you pause.
As a side note: in reading a little of your “About Me”, that you don’t like the implications of phrase “born again but I believe in Jesus” please keep in mind. A lot of folks believe in Jesus, and not all of them are Christians. Praying that you will look at the Bible as something more than “written by men.”
John 3:3

 

[stephen]

Meeting Jesus is vital today.

Any who have not had such 'vital' meeting with the One who made the worlds are in danger of being caught up, and washed away in the expression of modern life today, and who can tell what else.

There's a line that is drawn by rejecting the Lord
Where the call of His Spirit is lost.
For the glitter of sin and the things it will win
Have you counted, have you counted.....the cost.

Having met Jesus as a youth, I wandered here and there in my teens but always had to return to Him, never forgetting that first meeting.

It has all the hallmarks of a setup, even though the judge didn't agree..

These chappies were looking for 'sport'. A vulgar game they chose. Disgusting!

An elderly couple offering a service and a means to supplement their small pension; Christians, yes indeed of that faith which differs so far from the debauched expressions of 'faith' and 'life' today.

An easy target for two profilgates, strong in their sinful flesh, and vulgar expression of life!


The case is important, because the hotel did not allow any unmarried couples to stay either, regardless of sexuality..

We are pressed upon by a very minute, but vociferous and debauched section of society. I would run a mile rather than seek lodging in an establishment run by these people. But they want to impose upon me!!

Dear Lord Jesus we look unto you.


They felt that 'marriage' was the place for sexual expression, and ran their establishment accordingly. The 'law' has now told them they can no longer do so, and if they remain in business they will be forced by law to act against their beliefs.

God bless the Bull family. Mr Bull is having surgery at this time. They are an elderly couple.

We read that they broke the law! A law passed in the last ten years.

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That is blatently unacceptable.

 

[sunshineaaks]

This is the problem I have with the more conservative Christians. You sit in judgment of others (in this case both of the LGBT community and of other Christians) rather than carrying on the message of love. I find it hard to imagine Jesus being "DISGUSTED" by anyone.

I'm glad this couple is fighting against homophobia.

Actually it’s easy to understand why some who call themselves Christians can’t imaging Jesus being “DISGUSTED” with anyone when the Bible isn’t even cracked opened in a year or a life time to see His total disgust with the religious hypocrites who sat on their proverbial lukewarm politically correct fence.

Jesus said He would rather a person be totally cold rejecting Him than to be lukewarm. Those who are halfhearted and indifferent He will spit them out as though they are nothing. (Rev 3:15-16) Speaks of His disgust I would say.

I have to smile though, when someone claims that the homosexual is ‘fighting against homophobia’. They are fighting to remain in sin.

This is these people’s home. You, in your own home, are allowed to state whether or not you want to allow a strong conservative Christian into your home for a week to constantly bring up their beliefs, but this hotel couple isn’t allowed to voice indifference to a homosexual lifestyle, in THEIR own home? Double standards, don't you think?

God does deeply love the homosexual, the murderer, the pedophile, the religious hypocrite but He expects them to repent of their sin, turn from it and accept the guidelines throughout the Bible in order to enter heaven through Christ.

 

[sunshineaaks]

Praying for the success of the appeal and the successful operation of Mr. Peter Bull.

Amen! They are in my prayers as well.

Also the two guys that God (and only He can) will open their eyes, before it is too late.

 

[Ruck4Jesus]

This is these people’s home. You, in your own home, are allowed to state whether or not you want to allow a strong conservative Christian into your home for a week to constantly bring up their beliefs, but this hotel couple isn’t allowed to voice indifference to a homosexual lifestyle, in THEIR own home? Double standards, don't you think?

I willingly converse with conservative Christians now. If I ran a B&B and a conservative Christian had the money to stay for a week, he or she would be welcome. I highly doubt it was the couple's intention to "constantly bring up their beliefs" and have lengthy conversations about intimate details of their relationship over breakfast. On the contrary, many Christians feel comfortable, nay, encouraged to force their own personal beliefs onto unsuspecting Mardi Gras goers, gay pride parade attendants and college students. While I accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, I also accept that others have the right not to. My son-to-be fiancee was raised by two gay men and they are both extremely pleasant people despite not being Christian (and, may I add, disinclined to discuss intimate details of their relationship over breakfast.)

 

[LifeinJesus]

Those who don't accept Jesus can never enter Heaven. You think about earthly things, you think about how they may not like you teaching them the gospel. How do you think they will feel when they are separated from God and knew that you could have saved them? How do you know that you won't be separated from God for not preaching His good news? We are His royal priests. We have a duty to preach regardless of if no one likes it or not. Christians died preaching and they became the saints we respect today. Christ died for us so should we be scared to lose our lives for Him? By dying for Christ we gain our life.

I don't have a soul, I am a soul. 100 years on Earth is nothing to eternity with God.

Christ preached to sinners, early Christians preached to sinners. I preach to sinners. If Christ thought the same way as St. John The Baptist (You here) who only preached to his own kind which is why his followers soon died out, then Christianity would never have grown.

Yes, I will shove my religion down your throat because I know it's true. It would be more bad of me to sit down and never speak and let people live a lie. Christ knew what was true and He preached it to those who didn't know.

None of us are calling for the death of homosexuals - we are calling for them to repent and live normal happy lives and have children the natural way.