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[califlower]

Sabbathkeeping in addition to Sunday Lord's Day: 1st Century Christians

My brothers and sisters in Christ, you could not have given me a better present today at the turn of 2006. Ever since I started observing the sabbath (I am a "Sabbathkeeper", tradition of First Century Christians and it is one of my focal points, of my obedience to Him - because as He is embodied in His Law, obedience is a "love language" to my Almighty Father - to keep this very important commandment) I mean it, my life turned around in ways I cannot describe. I truly believe on the Seventh Day when "God rested", that He still rests - to be with His Children - that's you and me. For us it is a matter of obedience, because it is a commandment, and a way we show our love to the Lord is to keep this time with Him. In our family we keep both days - Saturday as a day of rest, and Sunday as "The Lord's Day" with traditional worship in churches where Sabbath isn't kept, it seems, by most.


It warms my heart beyond words that there are so many of you here that seem to understand this concept, that God repeatedly asks in OT Scripture, BEGS His people to "KEEP MY SABBATHS!". Not just once, or twice... but many times. That should tell us something. And yet, most of the mainstream Christian world seems to ignore this. In the NT, Jesus Himself kept the Sabbath, and isn't that a clue? In Luke, Jesus stated that "The Sabbath was made for Man - not man for the Sabbath", meaning, the Sabbath was "made for Man..." not the other way round, that meaning... hello... it's a "gift" from your Heavenly father! Jesus was even more specific when He said, if you had a sheep or donkey in a ditch, you'd take *care of it*. But otherwise, there's no reason not to spend this time worshipping, loving, communicating through the Holy Sprit - it's "your day" with the Lord - who would want to waste that? The Bible is explicit, in black and white: not even thy handmaiden is to work, and the tradition is sundown to sundown. I have found myself preparing for the Sabbath, it's on my mind all week - getting everything done in the house and preparing food beforehand, is so great to relax about on that whole day, which is a wonderful time to read scripture, and the *rest itself* makes me so wonderfully peaceful, and the time itself is spent so very connected to God... I'll tell you, you can feel the joy as the sun sets, and many Christians who begin this practice can feel this effect profoundly. :star:


It's really amazing to me that so many "cherry-picking" and "devout" and "legalitstic" churches have let a whole COMMANDMENT go into a state of disrespect, and sometimes try to justify this by using highly questionable interpretations of scripture... well... Jesus kept the Sabbath. What ELSE do we need? What about "Thou shalt..." don't they understand?


God bless you all in His presence in 2006, and I pray you are closer to Him each day, and forever in His Grace.


In Christ Jesus,


CaliFlower :rose:

 

[jiggyfly]

My brothers and sisters in Christ, you could not have given me a better present today at the turn of 2006. Ever since I started observing the sabbath (I am a "Sabbathkeeper", tradition of First Century Christians) and it is one of my focal points, to keep this very important commandment -- my life turned around in ways I cannot describe. I truly believe on the Seventh Day when "God rested", that He still rests - to be with His Children - that's you and me. In our family we keep both days - Sunday as "The Lord's Day" with traditional worship.

Califlower could you please list the reference material that supports this.

 

[califlower]

Look in Luke for starters... search on a bible search engine under "Sabbath" and see how many times Your Father asks for you to spend this time with Him. God bless you mightily!! Love in Christ, CaliFlower :rose:

 

[jiggyfly]

It's really amazing to me that so many "cherry-picking" and "devout" and "legalitstic" churches have let a whole COMMANDMENT go into a state of disrespect, and sometimes try to justify this by using highly questionable interpretations of scripture... well... Jesus kept the Sabbath. What ELSE do we need? What about "Thou shalt...don't they understand?
God bless you all in His presence in 2006, and I pray you are closer to Him each day, and forever in His Grace.
In Christ Jesus,
CaliFlower :rose:[/B]

John 9:1-16
1*And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2*And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3*Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. 4*I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 5*As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
6*When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, 7*and said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
8*The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged? 9*Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him.
But he said, I am he.
10*Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened?
11*He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.
12*Then said they unto him, Where is he?
He said, I know not.
Religious leaders question the blind man
13*They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind. 14*And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes. 15*Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.
16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

 

[jiggyfly]

Look in Luke for starters... search on a bible search engine under "Sabbath" and see how many times Your Father asks for you to spend this time with Him. God bless you mightily!! Love in Christ, CaliFlower :rose:

I am referring to your statement of the first century christians

 

[califlower]

Jiggyfly - Jesus was a carpenter. He wasn't building houses on the Sabbath. He was doing what he loved. Being with God, and preaching, and healing. That wasn't "work" for Him.

Love in Christ,
CaliFlower :rose:

 

[califlower]

That's a matter of recorded History in the centuries prior to the change of Sabbath Law by Constantine, around 313 AD I believe - before that, Christians were in the Synagogue with the Jews, and then also celebrated Sunday - I do not know the exact scripture where Peter held the first Sunday "meeting" of Christians, which could be a celebration of the third day in which He rose from the dead.

In Christ,
CaliFlower :rose: PS - If you want to debate this point you might want to take it to private message, this as I understand it, talkjesus.com isn't a debate forum, but meant to be a place of fellowship and worship. Unless of course you feel I should be rebuked for my interpretation of scripture. God bless you, my good brother! :girl_hug:

 

[jiggyfly]

Jiggyfly - Jesus was a carpenter. He wasn't building houses on the Sabbath. He was doing what he loved. Being with God, and preaching, and healing. That wasn't "work" for Him.
Love in Christ,
CaliFlower :rose:

I don't want to argue, but I just can't ignore scripture. The new covenent did not start until Jesus died on the cross, from then on through canonized scripture the only people performing this traditon were judiazers and Paul warned against it. Jesus satisfied ALL the Law. My rest is in Him.
I have learned that if you want to know the Lord's thought concerning sin, healing, tithing,sabbaths, redemption, speaking in tongues and all other topics, read the whole book. I appreciate everyone's patience and grace towards me . I don't think there is anymore that needs to be said by me on this thread so this is my last post, God Bless .

 

[To Christ]

I don't want to argue, but I just can't ignore scripture. The new covenent did not start until Jesus died on the cross, from then on through canonized scripture the only people performing this traditon were judiazers and Paul warned against it. Jesus satisfied ALL the Law. My rest is in Him.
I have learned that if you want to know the Lord's thought concerning sin, healing, tithing,sabbaths, redemption, speaking in tongues and all other topics, read the whole book. I appreciate everyone's patience and grace towards me . I don't think there is anymore that needs to be said by me on this thread so this is my last post, God Bless .

None of us can ignore scripture, Jiggyfly. I am saddened that you have taken a beautiful contemplative thread and made it a travail against anyone who loves the Commandments of GOD. There is nothing any of us posted that demands slavery to the Law and rejects the Truth of Christ. Quite the contrary. I have learned that if I want to know the LORD's thoughts that I need be quiet for long durations. Why do you ask questions designed only as a platform to prove others wrong? Plenty of us have read the whole Book, even in sequence from Genesis to Revelation. This note to you may not be grace, but you are my brother, and I've prayed much for you and on how to answer you.

The riches of Jesus be with you always, Jiggyfly. God bless you with newness of peace, health, and joy.

To Christ

 

[califlower]

Well, here's my last post. There are modern pharisees, and there are people who just want to ignore one of the ten commandments because it isn't convenient. And will even use irrelevant scripture to do so.

16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day.

The pharisees were obviously wrong, as is anyone who believes Jesus came to destroy the Law, not FULFILL THE LAW, and if you're agreeing and saying that Jesus didn't keep the Sabbath as the Phraisees said, then you think Luke is a liar? In Luke, Jesus is described as keeping the Sabbath - he explains, again, my brother - that the Sabbath Commandment was MADE FOR YOU - you were not made for it. It's something you can observe to show your obedience and love of the Lord. People can't do that 100% of the time, because of events but... your Almighty Father wants to spend that time with you, and you are rejecting this. I just wonder why.

There's just tons of scripture about this, some can be found at Amazing Facts. But you know what? None are so blind as those who WILL NOT see, not "cannot" see. I may not be a Seventh Day Adventist, but I sure as shootin' know that the Roman Catholic church - as a matter of history - tortured and killed people in their attempt to change the Sabbath day to Sunday. And I'm on the side here with the rest that this is the Law, this is a beautiful way to worship God - and you can say all day long that we haven't "read the whole book" when it's clear by our understanding and posting of relevant scripture that we most certainly have. Jiggyfly, I love you, but I have no idea why you'd insult me that way and frankly I'm rather hurt, but I'm remembering you're my brother in Christ, and hoping that my rebuking of you just shows you that I love you all the more.

In Christ,
CaliFlower :rose:

 

[Coconut]

CaliFlower, our brother was as kind as possible in his disagreement with you, as I will be. If, as you said, you have been "insulted" by a brother trying to respectfully disagree with you on the basis of scripture, then please show
me where. No this is not a debate forum, but neither is any good student of the word going to pronounce "Gods blessing" on erroneous teaching of it.

As clearly stated in Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

Jesus is our rest. There is no new covenant command to keep the Sabbath, as you are trying to teach here. Read the "whole book" was the best admonishment, as basing a doctrine on a few scriptures, and neglecting the rest, only leads to half truths and the teaching of false doctrines

To Christ, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" and the person being careful to do this in the Spirit, does not need to be shamed or told how sad you are he has done so.

 

[Yeshua]

I don't see any real disagreements here.

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I have read and reread the posters here in this thread and I see very little that is disagreeable from most everyone here in this thread.

I'm fairly sure that everyone here in this thread knows that we are saved by grace and that it is a gift from the LORD and can not be earned but we can be exceedingly blessed and rewarded by being obedient to our LORD.

Everyone of you is blessed by our LORD and has something to share and I thank you all for sharing the thoughts and inspirations that each and everyone of you have received through the sharing of the scriptures and the leading of the Holy Spirit.

It may SEEM at times we are at odds with one another when we aren't but none of us seeing the whole picture all at once can really know this is true.

Let's all take a break so we all can take our time and not be rushed into jumping to conclussions about one another. Please don't post anymore to it for now and let's all consider these words.