PloughBoy
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Sheep on the Right (Republicans), Goats on the Left (Democrats)
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My position is that neither party is 100% Christian.
The reality is that I believe that I can't talk to a boss from either party. My mother in law use to send money to politicians and they wanted to help but asked her for more and never did anything. If I emailed, wrote or called, I'm sure I couldn't get in touch with anyone of importance because I'm not that important to them.
I remember calling my representatives over different things and what I heard was, "we don't work for free" so they couldn't help me with my concerns.
I remember Dr. Walter Martin make a statement that Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carton, Ronald Regan, never ran for Jesus Christ.
What I've witnessed in the last four years were lies, controversies, name calling, etc. The new policies of the Republican party were not all Republican ideas because they did not originate from Republicans.
The Christian right basically handed the election to a man who never ran for office or had to work for my vote or your vote. He ran before and his speeches had the "f" word in every other word of his sentence and I said to myself, "surely Moms across America are not going to vote for someone who says something like that."
The reason we can't assume anyone is Christian is because anyone can lie or profess falsely and I've never heard the top man say he was a Christian. We can't tell who is saved and who is not saved.
I have a list of questions for you:
(1) What does it matter if a candidate is pro life or what does it matter if abortion is still legal?
(2) How do you think God feels if children are separated from their parents at the border, put in cages and women are given hysterectomies against their will? The reality is that Isaiah is a prophet and he multiple times calls out against oppression and tells others to speak against oppression. The foundation of the church is based on the apostles and prophets with Jesus being the chief cornerstone and Isaiah is a prophet. Jesus says if you offend one of these little ones, it is better if a millstone is put around your neck and cast into the sea. How is the treatment of infants under this administration pro life?
(3) If God does not allow liars into the New Jerusalem then how does a liar fit into Christianity? Please consult Revelation 21:8 in your reply.
(4) Did Jesus tell us to love our neighbors (and our enemies) and is the civil war between Democrats and Republicans something that we should get involved in?
(5) Do you think that Dr. Fauci should be allowed to do his job or not? Do you think that the Republicans care if you live or die when I see Christians not wearing masks, not socially distancing, etc? I want to be around for Jesus and I care more about family members around me. I believe that basic virology is science and we should respect Covid 19 by wearing a mask.
(6) What discernment is there when about 20 Republican leaders and other leaders across the world are espousing conspiracy ideas from Qanon instead of the gospel of Jesus Christ? If someone is going to make a claim, I have a right to face my accusers. Don't you have a right to evidence and shouldn't conspiracy theories be judged by the laws of evidence? In a sense, the government has become God, the representatives have become pseudo prophets and making false claims and have people drawing disciples to themselves instead of Jesus. That is idolatry.
In a sense, the country still has a race issue and now we have video from cell phones that expose the violence between police officers and those arrested. Not everyone could see it before but now it is on the news.
And what is wrong with the affordable care act? If you got Covid, how would you pay for hospitalization or treatment? Isn't the fuss just protecting the rich? And are republicans just the party of the rich? Whose ideas are these and do they just favor the rich?
Under this administration, my mother in law pays more in taxes so this government has raised money on the poor and given tax breaks to the rich. There are two ways to handle finances and one is to spend money so others have or to save money so that I have.
There are also homeless people in this country who lost their jobs and can't find affordable housing. Some of them were on the news speaking eloquently. Exactly what is your "Christian government" doing for them?
Should the homeless be on your radar map?
The reality is that I believe that I can't talk to a boss from either party. My mother in law use to send money to politicians and they wanted to help but asked her for more and never did anything. If I emailed, wrote or called, I'm sure I couldn't get in touch with anyone of importance because I'm not that important to them.
I remember calling my representatives over different things and what I heard was, "we don't work for free" so they couldn't help me with my concerns.
I remember Dr. Walter Martin make a statement that Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carton, Ronald Regan, never ran for Jesus Christ.
What I've witnessed in the last four years were lies, controversies, name calling, etc. The new policies of the Republican party were not all Republican ideas because they did not originate from Republicans.
The Christian right basically handed the election to a man who never ran for office or had to work for my vote or your vote. He ran before and his speeches had the "f" word in every other word of his sentence and I said to myself, "surely Moms across America are not going to vote for someone who says something like that."
The reason we can't assume anyone is Christian is because anyone can lie or profess falsely and I've never heard the top man say he was a Christian. We can't tell who is saved and who is not saved.
I have a list of questions for you:
(1) What does it matter if a candidate is pro life or what does it matter if abortion is still legal?
(2) How do you think God feels if children are separated from their parents at the border, put in cages and women are given hysterectomies against their will? The reality is that Isaiah is a prophet and he multiple times calls out against oppression and tells others to speak against oppression. The foundation of the church is based on the apostles and prophets with Jesus being the chief cornerstone and Isaiah is a prophet. Jesus says if you offend one of these little ones, it is better if a millstone is put around your neck and cast into the sea. How is the treatment of infants under this administration pro life?
(3) If God does not allow liars into the New Jerusalem then how does a liar fit into Christianity? Please consult Revelation 21:8 in your reply.
(4) Did Jesus tell us to love our neighbors (and our enemies) and is the civil war between Democrats and Republicans something that we should get involved in?
(5) Do you think that Dr. Fauci should be allowed to do his job or not? Do you think that the Republicans care if you live or die when I see Christians not wearing masks, not socially distancing, etc? I want to be around for Jesus and I care more about family members around me. I believe that basic virology is science and we should respect Covid 19 by wearing a mask.
(6) What discernment is there when about 20 Republican leaders and other leaders across the world are espousing conspiracy ideas from Qanon instead of the gospel of Jesus Christ? If someone is going to make a claim, I have a right to face my accusers. Don't you have a right to evidence and shouldn't conspiracy theories be judged by the laws of evidence? In a sense, the government has become God, the representatives have become pseudo prophets and making false claims and have people drawing disciples to themselves instead of Jesus. That is idolatry.
In a sense, the country still has a race issue and now we have video from cell phones that expose the violence between police officers and those arrested. Not everyone could see it before but now it is on the news.
And what is wrong with the affordable care act? If you got Covid, how would you pay for hospitalization or treatment? Isn't the fuss just protecting the rich? And are republicans just the party of the rich? Whose ideas are these and do they just favor the rich?
Under this administration, my mother in law pays more in taxes so this government has raised money on the poor and given tax breaks to the rich. There are two ways to handle finances and one is to spend money so others have or to save money so that I have.
There are also homeless people in this country who lost their jobs and can't find affordable housing. Some of them were on the news speaking eloquently. Exactly what is your "Christian government" doing for them?
Should the homeless be on your radar map?
The Republican party has always been the more conservative.
The question with This election is the stand on important issues that the Democratic party take. Such as abortion. Many others that people find it hard to believe that a born again believer Could be a Democrat. A number of top Demo's want to take this country into Socialism. They want to take away our freedoms -- make us totally dependent on the government. We can see what That has done to Other countries.
There have Always been homeless people for a variety of reasons. There have always been the wealthy and the middle-class. People will Always get sick and either recover or die. The government can't stop that.
We need to have freedom of choice -- to learn and grow.
No political party will ever be 100% anything.
The question with This election is the stand on important issues that the Democratic party take. Such as abortion. Many others that people find it hard to believe that a born again believer Could be a Democrat. A number of top Demo's want to take this country into Socialism. They want to take away our freedoms -- make us totally dependent on the government. We can see what That has done to Other countries.
There have Always been homeless people for a variety of reasons. There have always been the wealthy and the middle-class. People will Always get sick and either recover or die. The government can't stop that.
We need to have freedom of choice -- to learn and grow.
No political party will ever be 100% anything.
Within minutes after U.S. President Donald Trump told the Proud Boys, a far-right group with members who espouse white supremacism, to “stand back and stand by,” on national television on Sept. 29, 2020, members of the men-only group took to fringe social media sites to celebrate what they considered a “historic” moment for their ideological push against leftists.
Who Are the Proud Boys Trump Told To 'Stand Back and Stand By'?
Members of the fringe club turned volunteer "security" force have openly advocated violence and white supremacy.
www.snopes.com
It is unsettling that a president's comments could become a white supremacist group's motto and that Christianity wouldn't have a problem with it.
Protesters Dispersed With Tear Gas So Trump Could Pose at Church
Is this what Born Again Believers wish to support and be known for?
Could any of you honestly gas the protestors yourselves so that Trump could have a photo op?
New International Version
If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
Romans 12:18
Is this what Born Again Believers wish to support and be known for?
Could any of you honestly gas the protestors yourselves so that Trump could have a photo op?
New International Version
If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
Romans 12:18
Politics has always been one of the messiest conversations to get into.
I don't know that Trump is a born again believer. But if he Did take a stand , he'd be lambasted for That. There's a saying "ya can't win for loosing".
He's a businessman, Not a politician. This country is used To politicians. There's been a stinky swamp to drain, and he's Trying To drain it.
Trump does not represent Christianity. We should be. How Christ-like are 'we' acting. Are 'we' only 'acting' or are 'we' seriously trying to be Christ-like.
I don't know that Trump is a born again believer. But if he Did take a stand , he'd be lambasted for That. There's a saying "ya can't win for loosing".
He's a businessman, Not a politician. This country is used To politicians. There's been a stinky swamp to drain, and he's Trying To drain it.
Trump does not represent Christianity. We should be. How Christ-like are 'we' acting. Are 'we' only 'acting' or are 'we' seriously trying to be Christ-like.
There is an actual news article that black leaders wanted racial reconciliation and then Trump happened.
How many times has this country called out the national guard? 12 or 17 times?
He is considered a factor in race relations.
There are already enough brown people that politicians will have to deal with them but in ten years, you will have to deal with them.
Some of it is because of racism. Some of it is because of affordable housing.
Our mostly white church has a stained glass window of a white Jesus and had some of my friend's kids had to line up by color to do a Sunday school skit on the tower of babble and some of the kids were old enough to understand and be deeply offended
I tried to address these issues with kid gloves on to my church and I never blamed them or called them names but they never get it and attack me.
Pubkuc planners have used public policy and laws to keep the wealth and jobs from non white people for generations.
I work in an economic zone or what people call "the hood". There is a disparity on what people own, what they can make and the list goes on.
Do people realize that Jesus was a Jew?
These days people are being 'deeply offended' very easily. And kids pick up on it from their parents. We All need to grow up and stop being so 'deeply offended' by Everything.
Maybe we need to get back to God's Word and obeying HIs Word -- that's what caused the Tower of Babel in the 1st place. They wanted to 'do it themselves' back then, too. God told them to 'go explore the rest of the world' -- they just Had to do things Their way. They decided to ignore God and stay together as a people. So God chose to create languages. They ended up 'spreading out' just like God told them to in the 1st place in an effort to find others with the same language.
We see all the time what a non-perfect world this is. We Can do our part to make it a Better world. Starting with our own attitudes. Am "I" being part of the problem or part of the cure.
These days people are being 'deeply offended' very easily. And kids pick up on it from their parents. We All need to grow up and stop being so 'deeply offended' by Everything.
Maybe we need to get back to God's Word and obeying HIs Word -- that's what caused the Tower of Babel in the 1st place. They wanted to 'do it themselves' back then, too. God told them to 'go explore the rest of the world' -- they just Had to do things Their way. They decided to ignore God and stay together as a people. So God chose to create languages. They ended up 'spreading out' just like God told them to in the 1st place in an effort to find others with the same language.
We see all the time what a non-perfect world this is. We Can do our part to make it a Better world. Starting with our own attitudes. Am "I" being part of the problem or part of the cure.
This is why people are so easily offended.
Watch "Holy Post - Race in America" on YouTube
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I did agree with you, on everything you said, then at the end you put a little leaven in the pot when you said this:
"We Can do our part to make it a Better world. Starting with our own attitudes. Am "I" being part of the problem or part of the cure."
And you know better, Sue
"The Gospel According to Jesus Christ" is "Repent for the Kingdom of God is at Hand" For Jesus, is The Kingdom of GOD. For He came to save us from The Wrath of GOD and rescue us Out of This World. "For He Promise that He was coming back to get us"! And We Look to the skies in anticipation of HIS coming. For this world is a wicked World and Has become more wicked, since the time, that Jesus has walk upon The Earth. And Has Become so dark, that the people has called it somewhat of a era of enlightedment. [motif] And they have called "DARKNESS LIGHT" and have called "The Way" of LIGHT DARK"!
They have become anti to the Words of GOD, Anti to the Ways of Jesus and do not understand what was PLAINLY spoken by God, But has "Chosen" by their freedom of their will. To proclaim that Jesus did not mean what He has said, and have chosen by freedom of their Will to explain it away.
(Matthew 10)ESV.
34“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. 37Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
"strong meat is not for babes"
Revelation 6:4
Then another horse went forth. It was bright red, and its rider was granted permission to take peace from the earth and to make men slay one another. And he was given a great sword. [and I would assume that Sword is The Word of GOD].
Luke 12:51
Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but division.
Darby Bible Translation
"So thou, son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; and thou shalt hear the word from my mouth, and warn them from me."
King James Bible
Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
(1 Thessalonians 1).
8For the word of the Lord has sounded forth from you, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith toward God has gone forth, so that we have no need to say anything. 9For they themselves report about us what kind of a reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God, 10and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.
Are We warning them from the WRATH of The Almighty GOD that is yet at the DOOR, For that is the LOVE of GOD, to the world, FOR He Has WARN them and given them time to REPENT! And He has Sent out "The ALARM BELLs" through out the WORLD by "Messengers" and PROCLAIMING, FIRE, FIRE, FIRE!
How could a person say they love someone, and they will not sound the Alarm, a great "Consuming FIRE" is approaching the door and will not be put out and we will not warn them, Because we are afraid of being "Persecuted" and called Mentally ILL and Lose our nice reputation as a nice and sound reputable person."
Yes, we sound crazy, yes, our message sounds foolish to this world. But the power of the "HOLY SPIRIT" "Explodes that message out" and we cannot hold it in!
No matter how hard we try! It "Explodes" When the "Dynamite" of The Holy Spirit come upon you, YOu shall be a Witness through out the WORLD!
In the Bible; The people of GOD knew when the Prophet of GOD showed up, that the "done is about to hit the Fan" ! The Kings, would say: do not call him, He never has nothing good to say! Find us somebody who "Prophesies good things" and lies! Don't call Jeremiah, don't call Elijah, and don't call Amos, and please do not call 'Nahum" or "Nathan"! Please don't call those boys out! The People of God never wanted to hear from those Prophets. and "Ezekiel" pastors did not want to see him coming for sure. When the Man of GOD walked out of the house and begin to speak, you are going to know that there is a "GOD in Heaven" and He is not going to be handing out candy! He will make a grown man cry!
For when I leave your company, and I do not want you to think about how nice of a christian "PloughBoy" is But i want you to have "Nightmares" at night and in the middle of the DAY, like something that goes bump in the night. and you scream out even in the daylight hours "What must i do to be SAVED from The Wrath that is to come" and in total FEAR, AND before you know it, "You will cry out in a crowded place" "LORD SAVE ME"!. in Such a way, that HE hears your voice! and turns around and STOP in His tracks and LOOKS at you, in such a way, He cannot refuse! "They that call upon The Name of The LORD shall be saved"! For they will be given a "New Name"!
And that new name will not be of a "New Political party" GOD is into making us into a image Like them, or Him, " Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost" for that image has hot been completed yet. The bible said:
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
Then The Bible said:
God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them [Now The Father did his part} of the us.
Then The ""WORD" the Son had to do His part in the Creation and Jesus said it is Finish on the cross. [ Now The Word has done His Part] of the us.
Now the "Holy Ghost" who Jesus Had to, I said HAD to send back, to do His part in the Finishing creation of a "Being" called "HUMAN" in Their likeness, in their Image combine together! A Brand New Creature" being completed by "Molding and shape by a "HOLY and Divine FIRE" in The Hands of A Almighty GOD!. and it still yet not appear what we will be, But we will Look like "The SON of THe Living GOD" And whosoever has seen the SON has seen The FATHER! ouch! and the Religious Leaders said: "Crucify him"! Notice i said Look like HIm, i did not say that we will be GOD, But in the Image of The "combine "Triune"!
New American Standard 1977
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go to the Father."
If your mind has been place with in a box. The Holy Spirt is also given to teach the Word of Truth and to understand that Truth that is written. Now Child of GOD read that above verse again! "NOW What WORKS has the SON of God done? If you are so slow in reading and believing, go read Genesis 1 again and The 1st chapter of The Gospel According to St. John the Apostle.
And here is a " Spirit Nugget" for my True "Brothers and Sisters' in Christ Jesus our LORD" If The Word of GOD is The Son of GOD that came down here to walk among us. And this same SON, created the Heavens and The COSMOS, For GOD The Father Created ALL things Through HIM! For every thing that has been created was created by Jesus The Word of GOD!
If you think laying hands on someone is great, or raising the dead, or turning water to wine, you do not yet understand and have "Missed The Mark" The Power of GOD and The Power of HIS Christ. and the Power HE has given unto us through HIs SON, that we will Inherit when we receive our full "InHeritance" at our "Coronation"! This is no strange doctrine it is for "The True SONS of GOD" The Mystery is unfolded in the "Revealing of Jesus Christ" in His written Word! This world was created subject to vanity by GOD. [and greater works will he do].
Roman 8
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.
This whole creation The stars, the cosmos, the galaxies, solar systems, all will be destroyed! all of it all "CREATION" even HEAVEN itself. Even The land of the Angelic Host! All creation! It was Created to be destroyed! GOD is NOT like US, It is about HIM and NOT US! In that we rejoice. Why and why us! He has chosen us, We will know why on that "Coronation day" And God will do something Brand new, and we are in those plans and we will Reign with The Son of GOD, what ever GOD the Father wants us to do, And those works The Son of GOD did in creating the Cosmos we will do greater works than those, works HE done in creating the Cosmos is nothing but a drop in the bucket. There is no end to our FATHER" nor The Son of The Living GOD! What HE commands us to do we do, If God givens a Command to the SON to create a "Billion Universes" in 6 days, It is done, in 6 days, If God commands the Son to create Light just by speaking it, it is done! Just like when God command "Moses to speak to the rock" " I did not tell you to strike the rock" "I told you to speak to the rock" But man is something else always has to put his 2 cents into the equation. when dealing ith GOD.
PS Sue, not only do people not realize that Jesus was a Jew, They do not Realize that "GOD is GOD"!
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I have been noticing that too, it seems, But way out of proportion, who's proportion. For Jeremiah, notice that to. I have thought about complainig to Him, about that, "But fearing GOd is the beginning of wisdom" and "Murmuring" is sure out the question. I can read and know all of the stories in the Bible and if I happen to forget, there is a "reminder" living in me, to remind me what has happen to them, can happen to me. I do know they are an example for us, to take notice. I have had experience of complaining. And I do know the difference between obeying God and carring out His express will and doing something that He has not commanded me to do and went out in my own power! And we know "The veil has been torn into!" And on the Day of Pentecost, they did not speak on their own accorded but as The Spirit of GOD empowered them to speak, even in other Languages that they didn't even understand the foreign language that came forth from their own mouths!
and Jesus said, empowered by the same Spirit:
49“For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me command, what to say, and what to speak. [ and how to say it] 50“And I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me.”
And I cannot help to remember that;
New American Standard 1977
"for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."
HE Reminded me of this "in conversation" You cannot run away, so give it up, for your gift is "Irrevocable"! Now what? "HE said" Oh yea, If you are called and chosen by GOD, it is coming out of you! But there are a lot of others , they can do as they please and say it, as they please! It does not mattter. There is a difference "Big Time". And The Word of GOD, said: they went out and spoke for me and I did not send me. Tell them "Jeremiah"! And then there is "Moses" when God place the same Spirit that was in Moses into the 70. Many do not understand, it is a "Burden" trigger by the words of others "That Burst" into "Biblical Light" traveling faster that "warp speed"! I use to, years ago, could not grasp the "revelation of that fleeting Light" But now I have been taught, by God how to "Hop on that Train" and ride and Don't fall off. and Jesus said: "For Burden is LIGHT" "for whosoever has ears let them hear"!
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(Matthew 11).
28Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
[ For Jesus is the Light of the world] The Light of Life! " I once was blind but now i see" and Light Has come into the world! and men loves darkness rather than Light.
and people do not understand the yoke of this world is heavy they know nothing what this world is all about,
24Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? (Matthew 16).
