- I will do better than that, I will quote your own verse: Romans 6:11....When Paul wrote Romans 6:11 under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, he did not say sin is weakened in us. Nor did he say we’re distanced from it or that we’ve grown cold toward it. He didn't say we were sinless, He said we’re dead to it!
- His spiritually driven statement in Romans 8:1, was a result of his discussion of sin in Romans 7. Go back and see where he said, (paraphrasing): " I do what I do not want" and "I don't do what I want"....whats to become of me.....
- With Christ in us, God does not count our sins against us and it is Christ righteousness that God contributes to us, not our own!
- Bendito, are you really saying that you can lead your life , 24/7, with no form of sin at all? Only Jesus was sinless!
I would suggest, my friend, that you read the entire chapter.
Romans 6 (CJB)
6 So then, are we to say, “Let’s keep on sinning, so that there can be more grace”?2 Heaven forbid! How can we, who have died to sin, still live in it?3 Don’t you know that those of us who have been immersed into the Messiah Yeshua have been immersed into his death?4 Through immersion into his death we were buried with him; so that just as, through the glory of the Father, the Messiah was raised from the dead, likewise we too might live a new life.5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will also be united with him in a resurrection like his.6 We know that our old self was put to death on the execution-stake with him, so that the entire body of our sinful propensities might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin.7 For someone who has died has been cleared from sin.8 Now since we died with the Messiah, we trust that we will also live with him.9 We know that the Messiah has been raised from the dead, never to die again; death has no authority over him.10 For his death was a unique event that need not be repeated; but his life, he keeps on living for God.11 In the same way, consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God, by your union with the Messiah Yeshua.
12 Therefore, do not let sin rule in your mortal bodies, so that it makes you obey its desires;13 and do not offer any part of yourselves to sin as an instrument for wickedness. On the contrary, offer yourselves to God as people alive from the dead, and your various parts to God as instruments for righteousness.14 For sin will not have authority over you; because you are not under legalism but under grace.
15 Therefore, what conclusion should we reach? “Let’s go on sinning, because we’re not under legalism but under grace”? Heaven forbid!16 Don’t you know that if you present yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, then, of the one whom you are obeying, you are slaves — whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to being made righteous?17 By God’s grace, you, who were once slaves to sin, obeyed from your heart the pattern of teaching to which you were exposed;18 and after you had been set free from sin, you became enslaved to righteousness.19 (I am using popular language because your human nature is so weak.) For just as you used to offer your various parts as slaves to impurity and lawlessness, which led to more lawlessness; so now offer your various parts as slaves to righteousness, which leads to being made holy, set apart for God.20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in relationship to righteousness;21 but what benefit did you derive from the things of which you are now ashamed? The end result of those things was death.22 However, now, freed from sin and enslaved to God, you do get the benefit — it consists in being made holy, set apart for God, and its end result is eternal life.23 For what one earns from sin is death; but eternal life is what one receives as a free gift from God, in union with the Messiah Yeshua, our Lord.
If we are dead to sin, then sin has not power over us to make us sin. That's easy. If sin does not have power over us we can choose to sin or not. That's easy too. Right? So being a son of God, and being the righteousness of God in Christ I am righteous and not a sinner.
You paraphrased " I do what I do not want" and "I don't do what I want"....whats to become of me.....totally out of context..Who was Paul talking to? He was not talking to born again Christians. He was talking to law practicing Jews. Read the entire chapter.
Again One cannot form a doctrine from a partial verse, nor can he from a partial thought or a partial "sermon"
Romans 7 (CJB)
7
Surely you know, brothers — for I am speaking to those who understand Torah — that the Torah has authority over a person only so long as he lives? 2 For example, a married woman is bound by
Torah to her husband while he is alive; but if the husband dies, she is released from the part of the
Torah that deals with husbands. 3 Therefore, while the husband is alive, she will be called an adulteress if she marries another man; but if the husband dies, she is free from that part of the
Torah; so that if she marries another man, she is not an adulteress.
4 Thus, my brothers, you have been made dead with regard to the
Torah through the Messiah’s body, so that you may belong to someone else, namely, the one who has been raised from the dead, in order for us to bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were living according to our old nature, the passions connected with sins worked through the
Torah in our various parts, with the result that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now we have been released from this aspect of the
Torah, because we have died to that which had us in its clutches, so that we are serving in the new way provided by the Spirit and not in the old way of outwardly following the letter of the law.
7 Therefore, what are we to say? That the
Torah is sinful? Heaven forbid! Rather, the function of the
Torah was that without it, I would not have known what sin is. For example, I would not have become conscious of what greed is if the
Torah had not said,
“Thou shalt not covet.”a]">[
a] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, worked in me all kinds of evil desires — for apart from
Torah, sin is dead. 9 I was once alive outside the framework of
Torah. But when the commandment really encountered me, sin sprang to life, 10 and I died. The commandment that was intended to bring me life was found to be bringing me death! 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me; and through the commandment, sin killed me. 12 So the
Torah is holy; that is, the commandment is holy, just and good.
13 Then did something good become for me the source of death? Heaven forbid! Rather, it was sin working death in me through something good, so that sin might be clearly exposed as sin, so that sin through the commandment might come to be experienced as sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the
Torah is of the Spirit; but as for me, I am bound to the old nature, sold to sin as a slave. 15 I don’t understand my own behavior — I don’t do what I want to do; instead, I do the very thing I hate! 16 Now if I am doing what I don’t want to do, I am agreeing that the
Torah is good. 17 But now it is no longer “the real me” doing it, but the sin housed inside me. 18 For I know that there is nothing good housed inside me — that is, inside my old nature. I can want what is good, but I can’t do it! 19 For I don’t do the good I want; instead, the evil that I don’t want is what I do! 20 But if I am doing what “the real me” doesn’t want, it is no longer “the real me” doing it but the sin housed inside me. 21 So I find it to be the rule, a kind of perverse “
torah,” that although I want to do what is good, evil is right there with me! 22 For in my inner self I completely agree with God’s
Torah; 23 but in my various parts, I see a different “
torah,” one that battles with the
Torah in my mind and makes me a prisoner of sin’s “
torah,” which is operating in my various parts. 24 What a miserable creature I am! Who will rescue me from this body bound for death? 25 Thanks be to God [, he will]! — through Yeshua the Messiah, our Lord!
To sum up: with my mind, I am a slave of God’s
Torah; but with my old nature, I am a slave of sin’s “
Torah.”
