LostButTrying
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Socialism Is Immoral / What Is Socialism?
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Jesus does not say: let someone abuse you and enable him to do that. Bible is clear who is to be taken care of out of charity. To force one person to work as a slave for someone who's lazy is evil.
That you have with right and left, cause ppl are simply selfish and abuse any system.
Ppl even abused the system in Acts.
Right and left force one ex partner to have not enough money for themselves and their kids and the real poor and force them to work all their life for a lazy abuser. Only way out is stop working too in time.
Maybe pure socialism doesn't and then everybody just lets themselves be abused a bit so you dont feel it.
Oh no alimony in Cuba. Poverty. Aren't all socialist countries poor?
No taking care of the poor and sick. Not enough money when working doesn't pay.
On Cuban Alimony - Havana Times
I recently filed an official petition requesting alimony from my child’s father. I didn’t want to do it, and I thought it about a lot before making my decision – but I finally went ahead and did it. I only turned to justice when I had no other option.
havanatimes.org
Hmm this is one response from a Cuban:
Your comments do not surprise me, because you are always looking for a way to dishonour the Revolution; can the situation of this person be as heinous as the many people on the streets of America searching the trash cans for something to eat? At least, this woman’s son is going to school. At least the government is looking after the parent. At least, the mother did not have to spend what she did not have to have a court hearing. In America, who would have gone to Court for free? This woman is not homeless; she does not have to pay for his education which is free of cost.
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"LOVE of money, is the root of all evil".
As the apples burden the branches at this time of year, we can reach up and eat all we desire, leaving the higher fruit for the birds.
Although some consider it foolish, so in life, when we are wealthy enough, we no longer need to grasp every penny and some of the money that we could have made, and kept, can be made by others.
Even if we are rich, we can actually become more rich, but not in monetary terms, by giving money to others.
It is up to us to decide what we leave or give to others, not for them to expect to take.
Mr. Austin had help turning his idea into a motor car. Others paid him for his cars and he in turn paid for that help. In time he improved the lives of may of those who helped him.
Sadly, a few were ungrateful for whatever they were paid, and urged others to cease helping.
Without help, Mr. Austin was unable to make cars, and now nobody gets paid.
As the apples burden the branches at this time of year, we can reach up and eat all we desire, leaving the higher fruit for the birds.
Although some consider it foolish, so in life, when we are wealthy enough, we no longer need to grasp every penny and some of the money that we could have made, and kept, can be made by others.
Even if we are rich, we can actually become more rich, but not in monetary terms, by giving money to others.
It is up to us to decide what we leave or give to others, not for them to expect to take.
Mr. Austin had help turning his idea into a motor car. Others paid him for his cars and he in turn paid for that help. In time he improved the lives of may of those who helped him.
Sadly, a few were ungrateful for whatever they were paid, and urged others to cease helping.
Without help, Mr. Austin was unable to make cars, and now nobody gets paid.
I remember when I got my first job. I was used to live from 300 euro a month for rent, food, everything in a students' home. Then I got my first income and a guy from that home wanted to give me back the 40 cents he borrowed from me. 40 cents? Are you kidding me? I'm filthy rich now. Keep it!
Democracy is nothing more than mob rule. If enough unthinking, ungodly want drugs legalized then they vote and voila, drugs for all.
What we have in the US is called a Representative Republic. It's not based on a popular vote but upon laws that, ideally, are applied equally to all. Within this framework is the freedom to work to have the life you desire, or be lazy and starve. If you live by Christian principles this form of government works well. If you don't we have what we have today.
In what sane society does the murder of unborn babies hold the preeminent place in the philosophy of a major political party? It doesn't in a sane society.
What we have in the US is called a Representative Republic. It's not based on a popular vote but upon laws that, ideally, are applied equally to all. Within this framework is the freedom to work to have the life you desire, or be lazy and starve. If you live by Christian principles this form of government works well. If you don't we have what we have today.
In what sane society does the murder of unborn babies hold the preeminent place in the philosophy of a major political party? It doesn't in a sane society.
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Wow, do you think that all these people who are starving are lazy...
Don't you think then that laziness goes up and down with the economic cycle. A factory closes is an isolated community... suddenly all the people who used to have jobs have suddenly become lazy because they are not in work anymore?
The guy laying on the side of the road, poor, hungry, cold... he's just lazy? What would Jesus have done? Kicked him and said, "Get a job or starve you lazy bum!" That's what you consider a Christian way of life?
Of course not. My business takes me out in the community many times during the week. I see many healthy men and women panhandling. I've talked with a few as well because I have jobs for people willing to work. I've found they dont want to work. They want money for drugs. I've hired people who've been in prison. They want the paycheck without doing the work. I know people who can't take care of themselves so I help.
The point is that those truly in need of a Christian act are few. Many of the people begging by the side of the road are there by choice. Few will take advantage of an opportunity when it means they would have to be responsible. I'm a recovering addict myself so I'm familiar with the mindset.
Addiction doesn't respond to exorcism, but it's the closest thing to possession I've ever seen. Read up on demon possession and then go try and help that "poor man by the side of the road" and see how that turns out.
Another thing, for someone to "be in need" here in the US with all of the government programs not to mention private charities all a person has to do is wave down a cop and ask for help.
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How much above minimum wage do you offer. Anything below 15 / hour is exploitative.
How much do you demand? Anything above minimum wage for unskilled labor is stealing.
However, after I go through the expense (takes me about 3 mos. And thousands of dollars to train you in the basics during which you generate no profits with which to pay you) and time to train you, the rate of pay goes up around $35k to $60k/yr depending on how hard you work. Keep in mind that you will be learning more skills that make you more valuable as you go along. It will be about the second or third year that you will make that kind of money.
Now if you want to tell me how unfair that is then maybe you should have learned something useful in school. No business forces you to take a job. It is a agreement freely offered and taken.
And if you want to talk about unfair then ask Yeshua, Paul, John, and Peter if it was fair that they were murdered for telling people the way to living forever.
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Whatever it costs you to train, you must make more than you pay in wages. I guess you pay less than 15 an hour. So you are the thief. You should be ashamed to call people lazy because they don't want to be your wage slave.
Actually, I am not ashamed of anything. I have no problem taking someone from minimum wage to $30/hr and more and do it all the time.
What you may be experiencing is an overinflated sense of self worth, entitlement and a clear lack of education in economics. The real world doesn't work the way you want it to.
Take the example of Bernie Sanders, the Socialist, (he describes himself as one and, BTW he's a millionaire, hmmm, how did he get all that money) who announced he was raising the minimum wage for his campaign workers to $15/hr. Here's the headline: Bernie Sanders campaign announces it will cut hours to pay staffers $15 minimum wage.
If I were forced to pay $15/hr for unskilled labor I'd have to either cut staff, which could result in losing my business or close the doors and everyone including me will have no job. Is this what you think is fair?
Small businesses like mine provide the majority of jobs in this country. We all can't afford to start someone that high. If they could at least generate $15/hr then yes, I'd be happy to pay it. Since they don't I can't. God says I should be a good steward of what he has provided me so I think I'll continue doing my best to please Him and to provide an income that grows for a person to support their family instead of pleasing you. That's reasonable isn't it?
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To live on such a low wage is a national shame, it's not enough money. A person works hard and they are still in poverty. If businesses survive by paying such low wages then those businesses don't deserve to exist.
I suspect you pay yourself more than 15/hr and then you look down your nose at unfortunate people and brand them as lazy. I think it is you who overestimate yourself, it's you who seems to think you have the right to pass judgement on the poor and make assumptions about people that you don't know and don't even begin to understand.
I suggest you read the following and keep reading it until it becomes a living truth for you:
Matt 7:1-5
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
I suspect you pay yourself more than 15/hr and then you look down your nose at unfortunate people and brand them as lazy. I think it is you who overestimate yourself, it's you who seems to think you have the right to pass judgement on the poor and make assumptions about people that you don't know and don't even begin to understand.
I suggest you read the following and keep reading it until it becomes a living truth for you:
Matt 7:1-5
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
I'll end this since we're not going to discuss anything. I hope you own a business and give your employees a good base on which to live. I hope you have accomplished more than taking as truth what you've heard in school or what you've read on the net. I hope you have far more life experience than I have and that I'm wrong in my practices. If you have done these things I will be more than happy to listen and learn.
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Well, I'm younger than you, only 47. I do have my own business as a psychotherapist... I hear from a lot of people who have had difficult lives. I've turned my life around since getting out of prison and it was a lot of hard work. I see people work so hard and they are still stuck in debt because they are working in so called unskilled work... But they must have some kind of ability or what does the boss need them for!
Nobody should do a week of work and still not be able to afford to feed, clothe and house themselves.
However much life experience you imagine you have, you are wrong. If you think offering that sort of a life to somebody is some sort of act of generosity that entitles you to criticise them then you are wrong and a fool.
Nobody should do a week of work and still not be able to afford to feed, clothe and house themselves.
However much life experience you imagine you have, you are wrong. If you think offering that sort of a life to somebody is some sort of act of generosity that entitles you to criticise them then you are wrong and a fool.
My, my! What a warm, friendly, all knowing person you are.
Do you believe in personal responsibility? Or, is it always societies fault? How much of the problems you hear are because of that individual's past choices? Do you agree that your choice in career may have colored your thinking? When all you hear is how bad things are I think I might have the same viewpoint.
Blessings to you.
Do you believe in personal responsibility? Or, is it always societies fault? How much of the problems you hear are because of that individual's past choices? Do you agree that your choice in career may have colored your thinking? When all you hear is how bad things are I think I might have the same viewpoint.
Blessings to you.
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I'm not being friendly, and neither are you, so keep your pretend blessings.... I think you know what to do with them.
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Our individual responsibility consists of putting ourselves last and others first. Christianity exemplifies sacrifice for others, suffering for others, collective responsibility for one another.
When Cain said to God, "Am I my brother's keeper?", that was the voice of individualism, the voice of the devil.
When Cain said to God, "Am I my brother's keeper?", that was the voice of individualism, the voice of the devil.
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That's going to require a lot of love.
1 John 4:8 The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud
1 Corinthians 13:5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged.
1 Corinthians 13: 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out.
1 Corinthians 13: 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.
It seems sad that a supposed pagan government cares more about the poor than the church.
It seems downright unloving.
Proverbs 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.
Deuteronomy 15:4 There will be no poor among you, however, because the LORD will surely bless you in the land that the LORD your God is giving you to possess as an inheritance,
Proverbs 28:27 Whoever gives to the poor will not be in need, but he who hides his eyes will receive many curses.
