Some Talking Points on Christianity and Homosexuality--article

[ForeverinHim]

It would depend entirely on the attitude / behavior of the same-sex couple when they are in the congregation. If they are listening like everyone else, fine. If they appear to be attending just to cause turmoil -- I would probably have a deacon with me and invite them over for lunch -- see what their reaction is.

If you are speaking as a pastor of a church -- then you Do have the responsibility of protecting your flock from obvious sinful behavior.

And, yes, their relationship to God through Jesus Christ would be the most important. Sit down with the same-sex couple and approach their salvation -- share Your testimony with them and invite them to do the same.

There's a fine line here. Attitude / appearance makes the difference.

I don’t think anyone should be making out in the church pews, regardless if your homosexual or heterosexual. There is a time and place for everything, and that sort of behavior is meant for the bedroom, and I would make sure that the couple is made aware of that.

And I agree, the attitude/appearance of the Christian church could either push these people closer to God by showing them a taste of Gods love, or away from God by showing them their intolerance.

 

[ForeverinHim]

Are they coming to your church to repent? Or are they coming to make a statement and practice what they do in the church, in front of people in the church.

1Cor 5:9; I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;
1Cor 5:10; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.
1Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

If you tolerate their behavior in the church, you are making a statement whether you think you are or not.

Rom 1:26; For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27; and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Rom 1:28; And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

Rom 1:32; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only those who practice these things but also those who give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Merely approving of others doing these things makes you "worthy of death".

This hurts my heart. To hear that because my refusal to turn someone away from my hypothetical church makes me worthy of death, it’s sickening, and I can only pray that you never speak to someone like that in the real world.
And to clarify, Paul encouraged the church to isolate themselves from immorality because they were still new and establishing themselves. Like a mother forbidding their child to associate themselves with the troublesome neighborhood kid, the child is unable to distinguish themselves, and are more likely to be influenced and corrupted.
And I do more than tolerate their behavior. I think nothing of it. I don’t lose sleep at night knowing that people out their are gay. I don’t bat an eye when I see two men holding hands, because it doesn’t matter to me what they do behind closed doors. They’re living their lives, and I’m living mine. I only pray, wishing them the best, and that they don’t run into Christians who tell them that they’re lifestyle makes them “worthy of death”
And as I said to Sue, no one should be making out or being too lovey dovey during service, regardless if your gay or not. Church was made for God, and the bedroom was made for your spouse.

 

[Sue D.]

I suspect that B-A-C was speaking more in a hypothetical way of you being worthy of death because of your willingness to 'think nothing of' their behavior. In the Old Testament those and other actions --people Were put to death for / stoning, etc. And in New Testament -- even to Look at a woman with a lustful thought was equal to committing adultery with her. Obviously Most men would not go that far. But it's to emphasize how powerful our minds and actions are connected.

When I see - on TV programs -- men who are showing affection with their man-friend -- it Is sickening. Once in a while a man will actually be shown kissing / hugging his 'friend' and it is GROSS. Men are Men -- they should Act like Men. Men are meant to be with Women. Women with other women -- well-- women Are natural-born huggers. Women naturally have closer relationships with other women. That's why women need to be watchful with proper boundaries.

Why it Does matter -- is because Isn't just another kind of relationship. It totally goes Against God's plan for family. God's plan is for only men and women to join together in holy matrimony. There is to be No sexual intimacy with Anyone until Marriage. Every single person is to be celebate until marriage. And being attracted To - does Not mean acting Upon it.

Same-sex unions tear down the family unit. There is no legitimate family unit with two mom's / two dad's. And it's disgraceful for adults to try to reprogram little kids with it being 'just another kind of family' when the kid down the block has two dads or two moms.

And I do Not wish the best for any same-sex couples. But I won't act hatefully towards them, either. I also won't purposely choose to be around them, either.

I have no problem with a guy holding hands with his girlfriend or wife in church. Or with a guy having his arm around the back of the chair where his girlfriend / wife is sitting. It's a Natural response. Anything More would be for outside of church.

 

[NYQueens977]

I suspect that B-A-C was speaking more in a hypothetical way of you being worthy of death because of your willingness to 'think nothing of' their behavior. In the Old Testament those and other actions --people Were put to death for / stoning, etc. And in New Testament -- even to Look at a woman with a lustful thought was equal to committing adultery with her. Obviously Most men would not go that far. But it's to emphasize how powerful our minds and actions are connected.

When I see - on TV programs -- men who are showing affection with their man-friend -- it Is sickening. Once in a while a man will actually be shown kissing / hugging his 'friend' and it is GROSS. Men are Men -- they should Act like Men. Men are meant to be with Women. Women with other women -- well-- women Are natural-born huggers. Women naturally have closer relationships with other women. That's why women need to be watchful with proper boundaries.

Why it Does matter -- is because Isn't just another kind of relationship. It totally goes Against God's plan for family. God's plan is for only men and women to join together in holy matrimony. There is to be No sexual intimacy with Anyone until Marriage. Every single person is to be celebate until marriage. And being attracted To - does Not mean acting Upon it.

Same-sex unions tear down the family unit. There is no legitimate family unit with two mom's / two dad's. And it's disgraceful for adults to try to reprogram little kids with it being 'just another kind of family' when the kid down the block has two dads or two moms.

And I do Not wish the best for any same-sex couples. But I won't act hatefully towards them, either. I also won't purposely choose to be around them, either.

I have no problem with a guy holding hands with his girlfriend or wife in church. Or with a guy having his arm around the back of the chair where his girlfriend / wife is sitting. It's a Natural response. Anything More would be for outside of church.

Regardless of the context, you have to admit that telling someone that they are "worthy of death" is pretty rude. The rest of what you just said is literally just your opinion and worldview. You're entitled to your opinion, and you're entitled to your beliefs, but not everyone has to agree with it.

I feel like ForeverInHim and I share similar beliefs. I don't attend lgbt parades and wear rainbows, but I'm not remotely "sickened" by them, either. As long as the two parties are two consenting adults, I don't see the harm here and would rather mind my own business.

 

[Brother-Paul]

That article doesn't mention or address 1 Corinthians 6:9. But people that are having homosexual thoughts can repent and be forgiven.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (MEV) "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."

I think you will find it is because they do not see it as a sin.

The clue to their beliefs is in the web name gaychurch.org

It is also reflected in their use of capitals G and C in the web address.

Only sinners need to repent, they do not see themselves as sinners by being gay.

They are spiritually decerned, they are veiled from The Truth through their sins.

Shalom

 

[Brother-Paul]

The guy in this article is trying to denigrate and then find loopholes in God's law. I can't say that I'm impressed with any of the attempts but in any case, he misses the point. We Christians are not bound by God's law, so there's no point in attempting to find a loophole is there?

I agree brother but when we look at the web address it is clear which way his views face...
gaychurch.org Using a capital G and C, it appears he believes gay is acceptable in God's eyes, he is spiritually discerned, homosexuality is not acceptable in God's eyes.

We are to love them, we are not to accept their ways and where possible show them scripture to try them see The Truth.

From experience, these people have it in mind from the start Christians are going to quote Leviticus, they say but we are free from the law. Another argument they use is Jesus never condemned homosexuality or the like, as we know He didn't because He didn't come across it, but scripture is clear in the NT it is wrong.

Paul puts it like this - All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify. I Corinthians 10:23 NKJV.

Greeting brother

Paul was referring to the Jewish law regarding food, there was some confusion over what was lawful to eat,

1 Corinthians 10:23 (NKJV)
23 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify.

Some food was to be offered in a sacrifice to idols, burned in the sacrifice in the temple, some was eaten in the temple of the idol and the remainder was sold openly in the market. The concerns were that believers did not know the origin of the food sold in the market, so should they feel free to eat it without worrying about whether it had been offered to idols. This is confirmed in more detail in the next verses.

1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (NKJV)
25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience' sake;
26 for "the earth is the LORD'S, and all its fullness."

It is also referring to believers to look after one another's well being.

1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (NKJV)
23 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify.
24 Let no one seek his own, but each one the other's well-being.

Shalom

 

[Brother-Paul]

Are they coming to your church to repent? Or are they coming to make a statement and practice what they do in the church, in front of people in the church.

1Cor 5:9; I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;
1Cor 5:10; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.
1Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

If you tolerate their behavior in the church, you are making a statement whether you think you are or not.

Rom 1:26; For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27; and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Rom 1:28; And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

Rom 1:32; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only those who practice these things but also those who give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Merely approving of others doing these things makes you "worthy of death".

Greeting brother,

Many thanks for adding these scriptures, I just posted a few replies from the start of the thread and felt the need to include them, you have done so, Bless you.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 (NKJV)
18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.

Romans 1:18-32 (NKJV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. [The wages of sin is death]
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

This last verse does not say 'kill', it says in God's eyes, in God's eyes, what they are doing is deserving of death,

The OP appears to approves of Homesexuality and being Gay, these people not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 1:18 (NKJV)
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

Romans 6:23 (NKJV)
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 1:22 (NKJV)
Professing to be wise, they became fools

Anyone who says scripture does not say homosexuality and being gay, is not a sin is spiritually blind, they are accepting the parts that suit them, the parts they want to hear.

One day we will all stand before Christ and answer for everything we have done, said and thought, every knee shall bow, but not all as our Lord would have liked. Only a fool doesn't follow God's Word, only a fool doesn't read and understand the...
Basis
Instructions
Before
Leaving
Earth.

 

[Brother-Paul]

What do you think about churches that encourage homosexuals to visit their churches with the intention of teaching the truth of Gods Word to them?

The word Church is so often misunderstood.

People say I go to 'this church', I go to 'that church', 'MY church' is, come to 'MY church' we do not have a church!

The word used for church, the place of worship is kuriakon, meaning church building. You will not find this word in scripture, it is a word that was introduced by the RCC, but it is not in scripture.

There is only ONE Church, that is the ekklesia, which is the word used in scripture, it is used to confirm the Church is the saved souls, they are the ekklesia, the Bride of Christ of which Jesus is the head of, He is the Head of His Church. That is the only church there is and it is what we become part of when we are saved. We become spiritual stones in His Church, regardless of age, sex, ability, disability, colour or tongue. Don't mistake the church building for a church, it is a place of worship not a church.

Only the saved souls in a place of worship are the Church, the lost souls still belong to sin the world and the devil. They are weeds amongst the wheat, though best not to call them such, but they should understand they must be born again.

Shalom

 

[Brother-Paul]

I feel like ForeverInHim and I share similar beliefs. I don't attend lgbt parades and wear rainbows, but I'm not remotely "sickened" by them, either. As long as the two parties are two consenting adults, I don't see the harm here and would rather mind my own business.

Greeting sister,

If you feel two parties committing sin is right then I would suggest you study God's Word.

Read the scripture in Post 27

As for minding your own business, I totally agree, there is a time and a place and a way, that way is in His love and according to The Word not in a parade.

If someone comes out with banners against homosexuality, lesbianism, and everything from gay to queer (their words not mine LGBTQ), then they are no better than those who are parading to make what they believe noticed and accepted.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

God's Word is Truth, but all of God's Word is to be accepted, not what people may choose to accept or reject to suit their ways.

Shalom

 

[B-A-C]

Regardless of the context, you have to admit that telling someone that they are "worthy of death" is pretty rude. The rest of what you just said is literally just your opinion and worldview. You're entitled to your opinion, and you're entitled to your beliefs, but not everyone has to agree with it.

You are welcome to tell God how rude He is when you are standing before Him. Scripture is not my opinion, it is scripture.
You are correct, not everyone has to agree with it.

 

[B-A-C]

Talking about how "good" God is seems to be all the rage these days.

God is good all the time.
He's a good good Father.
I will sing of the goodness of God.
The reckless love of God (really? How un-scriptural can you get?)

Now I do agree God is good. But good isn't always nice.
A nice parent will let their infant play in the middle of the street and 'hope' that they don't hit by a car.
A good parent will swat their fanny and tell them to stay out of the street.

A nice parent will put money in their kids banking account over and over to cover their bad checks.
A good parent might cover it once or twice, but then tell them they can't do it anymore, they are responsible.

If we tell "gay Christians" ( or fornicating Christians, or adulturous Christians ) that God is good, and God loves them... are we doing them any favors?
God is good. God does love them. But if they don't repent they are still going to burn in hell... forever.... for eternity.
This life is short. The Bible says our life is like a vapor. Even if you live to be 120, that is nothing compared to eternity. A trillion, million, billion years is nothing compared to eternity.

Jas 4:14; Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

If I let my infant get run over by a car because I wanted to be 'nice' to them.. did I really love them?
If we let people burn in hell for eternity because we don't want to offend them... are we really loving them?

 

[B-A-C]

I found out today (I looked it up) what a googolplexian is. Googolplexian
It's a really, really, really big number. But even a googolplexian years is nothing compared to eternity.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I found out today (I looked it up) what a googolplexian is. Googolplexian
It's a really, really, really big number. But even a googolplexian years is nothing compared to eternity.

Therefore it is fair to say it is 'pointless' brother. ;-) Especially when compared to eternity.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Additional verses confirm life is short, there are many more.

Each one should make us stop and think, what is life, what is sin? In such a short earthly life, we could end up paying for what we do, think and say, for all eternity.

Psalm 115:15 (NKJV)
As for man, his days are like grass; As a flower of the field, so he flourishes

1 Peter 1:24 (NKJV)
All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. The grass withers, And its flower falls away

 

[Andyindauk]

I agree brother but when we look at the web address it is clear which way his views face...
gaychurch.org Using a capital G and C, it appears he believes gay is acceptable in God's eyes, he is spiritually discerned, homosexuality is not acceptable in God's eyes.

We are to love them, we are not to accept their ways and where possible show them scripture to try them see The Truth.

From experience, these people have it in mind from the start Christians are going to quote Leviticus, they say but we are free from the law. Another argument they use is Jesus never condemned homosexuality or the like, as we know He didn't because He didn't come across it, but scripture is clear in the NT it is wrong.

Greeting brother

Paul was referring to the Jewish law regarding food, there was some confusion over what was lawful to eat,

1 Corinthians 10:23 (NKJV)
23 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify.

Some food was to be offered in a sacrifice to idols, burned in the sacrifice in the temple, some was eaten in the temple of the idol and the remainder was sold openly in the market. The concerns were that believers did not know the origin of the food sold in the market, so should they feel free to eat it without worrying about whether it had been offered to idols. This is confirmed in more detail in the next verses.

1 Corinthians 10:25-26 (NKJV)
25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience' sake;
26 for "the earth is the LORD'S, and all its fullness."

It is also referring to believers to look after one another's well being.

1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (NKJV)
23 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify.
24 Let no one seek his own, but each one the other's well-being.

Shalom

Hi Paul,

My background is the church in which I grew up in was the Brethren denomination. They were very strict as to what was becoming of a true believer, you should never ever go to a pub, never go to a cafe on Sunday, don't buy a Sunday or Monday newspaper, don't go to the cinema, ladies wear hats in church....... the rule book was endless. Then I happened across passages in the New Testament such as -
Romans 8:1‭-‬2
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
and
Romans 6:13-14
Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. These verses told me that it's all carrot and no stick!

OK so yes I accept that the Apostle Paul did write the two passages I quoted in the context of food. Leviticus is very clear as to what food the Jews could and could not eat, and Paul broke the good news to the Jewish believers that Christ's death and resurrection removed the punishment for breaking the law which was certain death. However I'm pretty certain he wasn't restricting what he was saying to food but rather to all of the law.

In the Old Testament you followed the law out of fear of the consequences whereas in the New Testament you follow the law because you want to curry favour with the God you love. This was predicted -

I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 11:19‭-‬20 NIV

Paul expands in -

Galatians 2:21 NIV I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

So Jesus's death and resurrection released us not just from the laws as to which food we can / cannot eat but from the consequences of breaking any law. Remember, it used to be if you broke one law, you broke them all -

So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 5:16‭-‬18 NIV.

It's about what we want to do to please the God we love rather than what we have to do to avoid the consequence of sin.

Food for thought, pardon the pun.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Hi Paul,

My background is the church in which I grew up in was the Brethren denomination. They were very strict as to what was becoming of a true believer, you should never ever go to a pub, never go to a cafe on Sunday, don't buy a Sunday or Monday newspaper, don't go to the cinema, ladies wear hats in church....... the rule book was endless.

I can recall some of these rules, I never heard of not buying a newspaper on a Monday though. It would be fair to say after getting to page 3 and see a close to totally naked woman in front of us, should we be buying it on any day.

Then I happened across passages in the New Testament such as -
Romans 8:1‭-‬2
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
and
Romans 6:13-14
Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. These verses told me that it's all carrot and no stick!

Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the soul of His servants,
And none of those who take refuge in Him will be condemned.

1 Cor 11:32
But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

OK so yes I accept that the Apostle Paul did write the two passages I quoted in the context of food. Leviticus is very clear as to what food the Jews could and could not eat, and Paul broke the good news to the Jewish believers that Christ's death and resurrection removed the punishment for breaking the law which was certain death. However I'm pretty certain he wasn't restricting what he was saying to food but rather to all of the law.

No problem Andy I was just adding the correct context for the passage mentioned. Nothing else.

Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
In the Old Testament you followed the law out of fear of the consequences whereas in the New Testament you follow the law because you want to curry favour with the God you love. This was predicted -

I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh. Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 11:19‭-‬20 NIV

Paul expands in -

Galatians 2:21 NIV I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

So Jesus's death and resurrection released us not just from the laws as to which food we can / cannot eat but from the consequences of breaking any law. Remember, it used to be if you broke one law, you broke them all -

So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 5:16‭-‬18 NIV.

It's about what we want to do to please the God we love rather than what we have to do to avoid the consequence of sin.

Food for thought, pardon the pun.

So often things would not become issues if we ask ourselves, 'What would Jesus do?' 'What would Jesus say?'

...never ever go to a pub, never go to a cafe on Sunday, don't buy a Sunday or Monday newspaper, don't go to the cinema, ladies wear hats in church

Jesus looks at the heart, not the ladies hat, not the café on Sunday, etc.

Bless you my friend

 

[PloughBoy]

Well, I can't see the hearts, and i don't think the Pubs are a problem, it is what is roaming around in the Pubs and in the churches under the hats! and my name ain't Jesus!

 

[Brother-Paul]

Well, I can't see the hearts, and i don't think the Pubs are a problem, it is what is roaming around in the Pubs and in the churches under the hats! and my name ain't Jesus!

It is the heart brother, if it is not for the Lord it is for the world, they are spiritually discerned, veiled from the Truth by their sins.