Speaking in Tongues and Gifts of the Spirit

[Charlie24]

Satan can interject thoughts into our heads, with God's permission of course, but its to fine tune our judgement, what is of God or not. . The Holy Spirit has a male voice that internally audible. You will never forget what the Holy Spirit says. I can quote Him 30 yrs later.

I suppose not experiencing that voice doesn't mean others can't experience it.

But I'm sure you see where we have doubts. Addressing the Holy Spirit with "a male voice" is quite a statement.

 

[joestue]

male voice that internally audible.

One of the more memorable testimonies i have heard was a woman giving a warning at a pre birth experience conference, and she started by saying " when i was 5 years old i got really good at getting out of my body whenever i wanted"

"Until a male voice speaking with authority told me "get back in your body and never do that again"

 

[Butch5]

Not much difference.

The public does not accept miracles these days, so God doesnt do them.

On reddit the question was asked "when is the last time you saw a move of the Spirit in church".

None said they have ever seen one. Other said the same, but have outside the church. I was not surprised by this

This is all subjective. It's just what people think. The Scriptures aren't based on what people think.

God can do miracles without giving people gifts. He did it all through the Old Testament and most of human history. Even with those who had the gifts, they weren't performing the miracles, God was. No one could perform those miracles. Not even Jesus performed miracles. It was always the Father who did it.

If you want to ask a question, here's one to ask. Ask Christians which of them have the gift of being able to drink something poisonous and not be harmed. Or who has the gift of being able to be bitten by vipers and not be harmed. I'd love to see how many have those gifts. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably won't find many.

 

[joestue]

Or who has the gift of being able to be bitten by vipers and not be harmed.

Plenty of controversy on that verse not being legit.

As for Gifts.. the way you describe them its quite possible they never existed in that manner.

 

[Rockerduck]

This is all subjective. It's just what people think. The Scriptures aren't based on what people think.

God can do miracles without giving people gifts. He did it all through the Old Testament and most of human history. Even with those who had the gifts, they weren't performing the miracles, God was. No one could perform those miracles. Not even Jesus performed miracles. It was always the Father who did it.

If you want to ask a question, here's one to ask. Ask Christians which of them have the gift of being able to drink something poisonous and not be harmed. Or who has the gift of being able to be bitten by vipers and not be harmed. I'd love to see how many have those gifts. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably won't find many.

Don't do it on purpose. I ate lunch with some that I worked with once, and we all ate chicken salad. Everyone got sick, but I didn't.

Matthew 4:7 -Jesus said unto him (Satan), It is written again, thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God

 

[Butch5]

Plenty of controversy on that verse not being legit.

As for Gifts.. the way you describe them its quite possible they never existed in that manner.

I've done research on that whole section. The early texts came out of Alexandria which was a known hotbed of Gnosticism. The Gnostics altered the Scriptures. They removed stuff. However, there are quotes from the early church fathers that referemce the long ending in Mark that predate the Alexanfrian texts.

They existed to be signs to Israel. That's what Isaiah said.

 

[Butch5]

Don't do it on purpose. I ate lunch with some that I worked with once, and we all ate chicken salad. Everyone got sick, but I didn't.

Matthew 4:7 -Jesus said unto him (Satan), It is written again, thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God

Ok. If you have that gift you should be able to repeat that.

 

[joestue]

Ok. If you have that gift you should be able to repeat that.

It never worked that way.

Just because you cant find a christian in china who has been supernaturally let out of prison, does not mean its not happening.

No one would tell the man God let out of prison, do not to be more shrewd, dont worry about getting arrested since he has a gift of opening doors.


What did jesus say? Flee persecution.

 

[Butch5]

It never worked that way.

Just because you cant find a christian in china who has been supernaturally let out of prison, does not mean its not happening.

No one would tell the man not to be more shrewd in the future, to avoid prison again.


What did jesus say? Flee persecution.

I did work that. The gifts were under the control of the one having the gift.

When Peter healed people it wasn't random chance. And, he didn't pray and wait to see what happened. He said stand up and walk and the man stood up and walked. It was under his control. The miracle was done by God, but the command was Peter's

 

[MedicBravo]

I asked in one bible study I was in if any had heard the Holy Spirit speak to them. 3 out of 20 did. So the next question was, do any of you have prophetic dreams. 4 did. So, 7 believed each other and talked among themselves and the others were indifferent. Question: have you ever asked anyone if they have heard the Holy Spirit speak to them or have prophetic dreams? You'd be surprised.

1. How can they prove it? In fact, one can think thoughts and hear them in one's own voice as well as someone else's if they are familiar with them.
2. The Bible is closed. There is no new information. God is not the author of secrets and discord.
3. Retroactive thinking is not prophesy. "Oh yeah. I had this dream and this happened later but didn't put two and two...." No.
4. No two people have ever had the same dream down to every minute detail. In fact, two people winessing the same event(s) will give different accounts of it. Ex: The 4 Gospels.
5. No. Everybody lies.

 

[First and the Last]

1 Corinthians 14:1, "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy,"

Underscores the paramount importance of love (charity) as the guiding principle for all spiritual pursuits. This verse is an encouragement for believers to prioritize love in their interactions and ministry, ensuring that their desire for spiritual gifts is motivated by a genuine concern for others' edification and well-being. The emphasis on prophecy is seen as an endorsement of its role in building up the church, offering guidance, encouragement, and correction under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Prophecy, in this context, is not merely foretelling future events but speaking forth God’s word to provide insight and edification to the congregation. Thus, this verse is a call to balance the pursuit of spiritual gifts with a foundational commitment to love, using these gifts, especially prophecy, to strengthen and nurture the church community.

1 Corinthians 14:2, "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries,"

Highlights the profound and personal nature of speaking in tongues as a form of communication with God. Speaking in tongues is a vital manifestation of the Holy Spirit, signifying a direct and intimate dialogue between the believer and God. This practice is seen as a deeply spiritual experience where the individual utters divine mysteries that transcend human understanding. It underscores the idea that speaking in tongues is not primarily for public edification unless interpreted, but rather for personal edification and spiritual connection with God. This aligns with the emphasis on the baptism of the Holy Spirit, where speaking in tongues serves as the initial evidence of this experience,(Acts 2:1-4) reinforcing a personal and spiritual communion with the divine.

1 Corinthians 14:3, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort,"

Highlights the vital role of prophecy in the life of the church. In this context, prophecy is understood as a divine utterance inspired by the Holy Spirit, which serves three key functions: edification, exhortation, and comfort. Edification refers to building up the faith and spiritual maturity of the congregation, helping believers grow in their understanding and relationship with God. Exhortation involves encouraging and urging individuals to pursue righteous living and remain steadfast in their faith, providing motivation and guidance. Comfort denotes offering solace and reassurance, particularly in times of trial and distress, reminding believers of God's presence and promises. Prophecy is a powerful tool for ministering to the spiritual needs of the church, promoting unity, spiritual growth, and emotional support. This perspective underscores the belief that spiritual gifts, especially prophecy, are meant to be exercised in love for the benefit and strengthening of the entire church body.

1 Corinthians 14:4, "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church,"

Highlights the different roles and impacts of speaking in tongues and prophesying within the Christian community. Speaking in tongues, a significant practice in worship, is seen as a personal edification experience, where the individual is spiritually uplifted and strengthened by direct communion with God. This private benefit, however, contrasts with the broader, communal benefit of prophecy. Prophesying is considered a higher gift in the context of public worship because it communicates God's message in an understandable language, thereby edifying, exhorting, and comforting the entire congregation. This verse is emphasizing the need for balance between personal spiritual growth and the edification of the church body. While speaking in tongues is highly valued for personal spiritual development, prophecy is especially esteemed for its capacity to build up the church, reinforcing the communal and interdependent nature of Christian life and worship.

1 Corinthians 14:5, "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying,"

Highlights the primacy of edification within the church community. While speaking in tongues is valued as a significant spiritual gift and a personal means of communication with God, prophecy holds a higher place in communal worship because it directly edifies the congregation. Prophecy, which involves conveying messages from God that offer encouragement, instruction, and correction, serves to build up the church more effectively than speaking in tongues, unless the tongues are interpreted. The interpretation of tongues bridges the gap, making the message accessible and beneficial to the entire church. Thus, this scripture is seen as guiding believers to seek spiritual gifts that not only enhance their personal spirituality but also contribute to the collective strength and edification of the church body.

1 Corinthians 14:6, "Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?"

Highlights the importance of intelligible communication within the church for edification. While speaking in tongues is highly valued as an evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and a personal prayer language, this verse emphasizes that public ministry should primarily focus on understandable messages that build up the church. Speaking in tongues, unless interpreted, does not benefit the congregation because it lacks clear communication. Therefore, Paul urges believers to prioritize delivering revelations, knowledge, prophecies, and doctrines in a language the congregation understands. This approach ensures that the church is instructed, encouraged, and edified. This passage is advocating for a balanced practice of spiritual gifts, where the edification of the church body through comprehensible teachings and prophetic insights takes precedence in corporate worship settings.

1 Corinthians 14:7, "And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?"

This is understood as an illustration emphasizing the need for clarity and intelligibility in the use of spiritual gifts within the church. Just as musical instruments must produce distinct and recognizable notes to convey a melody or harmony, so too must spiritual gifts, particularly speaking in tongues and prophecy, be used in a manner that edifies and instructs the congregation. This verse underscores the importance of making spiritual expressions understandable and meaningful to the listeners. In the context of worship and ministry, it calls for orderly and clear communication so that the congregation can be edified and encouraged. The Church advocates for the proper interpretation and application of spiritual gifts, ensuring that they contribute to the spiritual growth and unity of the church body, much like distinct musical notes contribute to a cohesive and beautiful piece of music.

1 Corinthians 14:8, "For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"

Highlights the critical importance of clarity and distinctiveness in spiritual communication and leadership within the church. This verse as a metaphor emphasizing the need for clear, understandable, and authoritative preaching and teaching of God's Word. Just as a clear trumpet sound is essential for soldiers to recognize and respond to a call to battle, so must the messages delivered within the church be clear and unambiguous to effectively guide, edify, and prepare believers for spiritual challenges. This clarity is especially vital in the exercise of spiritual gifts, such as prophecy and tongues, ensuring that their use edifies the congregation and aligns with scriptural truths. The verse underscores the responsibility of church leaders and believers to communicate God's message with precision and authority, fostering a spiritually prepared and vigilant community.

I dont, as they were in the first century.

1 Corinthians 13:8, "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away"

Highlights the enduring nature of godly love. This verse contrasts the eternal and unwavering quality of love with the temporary nature of spiritual gifts like prophecies, tongues, and knowledge. These gifts are essential for edifying the church and spreading the gospel, but they are finite and serve their intended roles within the church age.

Scripture also recognize that these gifts will continue until the end of the age when "that which is perfect is come" (1 Corinthians 13:10). This phrase is interpreted as referring to the culmination of God's plan and the return of Christ, (not the finished canon of Scripture) when believers will experience complete understanding and fulfillment in His presence. At that time, prophecies, tongues, and partial knowledge will no longer be needed as they will be surpassed by the perfect knowledge and revelation found in Christ.

In contrast, charity—selfless, sacrificial love modeled after Christ's love—is eternal and foundational to the Christian faith. It persists beyond the temporal expressions of spiritual gifts because it reflects the very nature of God Himself (1 John 4:8). Scripture emphasizes the importance of cultivating this love in all aspects of life, as it transcends the transient nature of gifts and endures throughout eternity. This perspective encourages believers to prioritize love above all else, knowing that it is the enduring mark of a life lived in communion with God and in service to others.

1 Corinthians 13:9, "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part"

Acknowledges the limitations of human understanding and spiritual revelation in relation to the vastness of God's wisdom and knowledge. This verse underscores the belief that while believers receive divine insights and messages through prophetic utterances and spiritual gifts, these revelations are partial and incomplete compared to the fullness of God's truth. This as a reminder of the need for humility and dependency on God's Spirit in interpreting and applying spiritual revelations.

The phrase "we know in part" acknowledges that human knowledge and understanding are finite and subject to our current perspectives and experiences. It emphasizes the ongoing journey of growth and learning in faith, recognizing that our understanding of spiritual truths is progressive and evolving. Similarly, "we prophesy in part" highlights that the prophetic messages received are not exhaustive or complete revelations but are delivered according to God's timing and purpose. Prophecy is a gift of the Holy Spirit intended for edification, exhortation, and comfort within the church community (1 Corinthians 14:3).

1 Corinthians 12:29-30, "Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

Addresses the diversity of spiritual gifts within the body of Christ, emphasizing that not every believer will have the same role or gift. The church is likened to a body, with each member having a distinct function, and all are necessary for the health and growth of the church. This diversity ensures that the church operates effectively, with apostles, prophets, teachers, miracle workers, those with gifts of healing, and others each contributing uniquely to the mission of the church.

It is important to distinguish between the different types of speaking in tongues mentioned in the New Testament. The Bible teaches that speaking in tongues serves different purposes and contexts. First, there is speaking in tongues as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, which is a private and personal experience for every believer baptized in the Holy Ghost. This experience is a sign of the New Birth and is distinct from the spiritual gifts described in 1 Corinthians 12.

The passage in 1 Corinthians 12 refers to the specific gift of tongues used in a public worship setting. This gift, meant for the edification of the church, typically occurs during quiet spiritual moments and requires interpretation. Not all believers will possess this particular gift, just as not all are apostles, prophets, or teachers. This public exercise of the gift of tongues, accompanied by interpretation, is different from the personal prayer language experienced by individuals when they receive the Holy Spirit.

In summary, while every believer is encouraged to seek and receive the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues as a personal experience, the specific gift of tongues used in church settings for communal edification and requiring interpretation is given according to God’s sovereign will and purpose. This distinction clarifies the different roles of speaking in tongues within the body of Christ, both for individual spiritual growth and for the edification of the church.

 

[First and the Last]

The Bible tells us that the gift of tongues was for a specific purpose. It was to speak judgment against Israel. That judgment passed a long time ago. All of the gifts back then were given to confirm the apostles message.

Do we not want to continue to confirm the Apostle's message today?

 

[First and the Last]

On the topic of speaking in tongue’s I would recommend reading through 1Corinthians chapter 12 through chapter 14…..

From my best interpretation of scripture ,In 1 Corinthians 12:30, it says, "Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?" This verse acknowledges that not all believers will speak in tongues or have the same spiritual gifts.

This is not talking about the speaking in tongues you receive when Baptized in The Holy Ghost. This is talking about the corporate Tongues spoken in spiritual silence out loud requiring Interpretation, which not every believer possesses.

 

[Butch5]

Do we not want to continue to confirm the Apostle's message today?

It was God confirming the gifts. It was God doing the miracles. No human can give the gifts therefore no human can confirm the word if the apostles. Additionally, what Christian denomination is without error? Whose beliefs are correct? Surely God isn't going to confirm the word of people teaching false doctrine. The apostles had their message from God and He confirmed it.

 

[Butch5]

1 Corinthians 14:1, "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy,"

Underscores the paramount importance of love (charity) as the guiding principle for all spiritual pursuits. This verse is an encouragement for believers to prioritize love in their interactions and ministry, ensuring that their desire for spiritual gifts is motivated by a genuine concern for others' edification and well-being. The emphasis on prophecy is seen as an endorsement of its role in building up the church, offering guidance, encouragement, and correction under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Prophecy, in this context, is not merely foretelling future events but speaking forth God’s word to provide insight and edification to the congregation. Thus, this verse is a call to balance the pursuit of spiritual gifts with a foundational commitment to love, using these gifts, especially prophecy, to strengthen and nurture the church community.

1 Corinthians 14:2, "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries,"

Highlights the profound and personal nature of speaking in tongues as a form of communication with God. Speaking in tongues is a vital manifestation of the Holy Spirit, signifying a direct and intimate dialogue between the believer and God. This practice is seen as a deeply spiritual experience where the individual utters divine mysteries that transcend human understanding. It underscores the idea that speaking in tongues is not primarily for public edification unless interpreted, but rather for personal edification and spiritual connection with God. This aligns with the emphasis on the baptism of the Holy Spirit, where speaking in tongues serves as the initial evidence of this experience,(Acts 2:1-4) reinforcing a personal and spiritual communion with the divine.

1 Corinthians 14:3, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort,"

Highlights the vital role of prophecy in the life of the church. In this context, prophecy is understood as a divine utterance inspired by the Holy Spirit, which serves three key functions: edification, exhortation, and comfort. Edification refers to building up the faith and spiritual maturity of the congregation, helping believers grow in their understanding and relationship with God. Exhortation involves encouraging and urging individuals to pursue righteous living and remain steadfast in their faith, providing motivation and guidance. Comfort denotes offering solace and reassurance, particularly in times of trial and distress, reminding believers of God's presence and promises. Prophecy is a powerful tool for ministering to the spiritual needs of the church, promoting unity, spiritual growth, and emotional support. This perspective underscores the belief that spiritual gifts, especially prophecy, are meant to be exercised in love for the benefit and strengthening of the entire church body.

1 Corinthians 14:4, "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church,"

Highlights the different roles and impacts of speaking in tongues and prophesying within the Christian community. Speaking in tongues, a significant practice in worship, is seen as a personal edification experience, where the individual is spiritually uplifted and strengthened by direct communion with God. This private benefit, however, contrasts with the broader, communal benefit of prophecy. Prophesying is considered a higher gift in the context of public worship because it communicates God's message in an understandable language, thereby edifying, exhorting, and comforting the entire congregation. This verse is emphasizing the need for balance between personal spiritual growth and the edification of the church body. While speaking in tongues is highly valued for personal spiritual development, prophecy is especially esteemed for its capacity to build up the church, reinforcing the communal and interdependent nature of Christian life and worship.

1 Corinthians 14:5, "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying,"

Highlights the primacy of edification within the church community. While speaking in tongues is valued as a significant spiritual gift and a personal means of communication with God, prophecy holds a higher place in communal worship because it directly edifies the congregation. Prophecy, which involves conveying messages from God that offer encouragement, instruction, and correction, serves to build up the church more effectively than speaking in tongues, unless the tongues are interpreted. The interpretation of tongues bridges the gap, making the message accessible and beneficial to the entire church. Thus, this scripture is seen as guiding believers to seek spiritual gifts that not only enhance their personal spirituality but also contribute to the collective strength and edification of the church body.

1 Corinthians 14:6, "Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?"

Highlights the importance of intelligible communication within the church for edification. While speaking in tongues is highly valued as an evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and a personal prayer language, this verse emphasizes that public ministry should primarily focus on understandable messages that build up the church. Speaking in tongues, unless interpreted, does not benefit the congregation because it lacks clear communication. Therefore, Paul urges believers to prioritize delivering revelations, knowledge, prophecies, and doctrines in a language the congregation understands. This approach ensures that the church is instructed, encouraged, and edified. This passage is advocating for a balanced practice of spiritual gifts, where the edification of the church body through comprehensible teachings and prophetic insights takes precedence in corporate worship settings.

1 Corinthians 14:7, "And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?"

This is understood as an illustration emphasizing the need for clarity and intelligibility in the use of spiritual gifts within the church. Just as musical instruments must produce distinct and recognizable notes to convey a melody or harmony, so too must spiritual gifts, particularly speaking in tongues and prophecy, be used in a manner that edifies and instructs the congregation. This verse underscores the importance of making spiritual expressions understandable and meaningful to the listeners. In the context of worship and ministry, it calls for orderly and clear communication so that the congregation can be edified and encouraged. The Church advocates for the proper interpretation and application of spiritual gifts, ensuring that they contribute to the spiritual growth and unity of the church body, much like distinct musical notes contribute to a cohesive and beautiful piece of music.

1 Corinthians 14:8, "For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"

Highlights the critical importance of clarity and distinctiveness in spiritual communication and leadership within the church. This verse as a metaphor emphasizing the need for clear, understandable, and authoritative preaching and teaching of God's Word. Just as a clear trumpet sound is essential for soldiers to recognize and respond to a call to battle, so must the messages delivered within the church be clear and unambiguous to effectively guide, edify, and prepare believers for spiritual challenges. This clarity is especially vital in the exercise of spiritual gifts, such as prophecy and tongues, ensuring that their use edifies the congregation and aligns with scriptural truths. The verse underscores the responsibility of church leaders and believers to communicate God's message with precision and authority, fostering a spiritually prepared and vigilant community.

1 Corinthians 13:8, "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away"

Highlights the enduring nature of godly love. This verse contrasts the eternal and unwavering quality of love with the temporary nature of spiritual gifts like prophecies, tongues, and knowledge. These gifts are essential for edifying the church and spreading the gospel, but they are finite and serve their intended roles within the church age.

Scripture also recognize that these gifts will continue until the end of the age when "that which is perfect is come" (1 Corinthians 13:10). This phrase is interpreted as referring to the culmination of God's plan and the return of Christ, (not the finished canon of Scripture) when believers will experience complete understanding and fulfillment in His presence. At that time, prophecies, tongues, and partial knowledge will no longer be needed as they will be surpassed by the perfect knowledge and revelation found in Christ.

In contrast, charity—selfless, sacrificial love modeled after Christ's love—is eternal and foundational to the Christian faith. It persists beyond the temporal expressions of spiritual gifts because it reflects the very nature of God Himself (1 John 4:8). Scripture emphasizes the importance of cultivating this love in all aspects of life, as it transcends the transient nature of gifts and endures throughout eternity. This perspective encourages believers to prioritize love above all else, knowing that it is the enduring mark of a life lived in communion with God and in service to others.

1 Corinthians 13:9, "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part"

Acknowledges the limitations of human understanding and spiritual revelation in relation to the vastness of God's wisdom and knowledge. This verse underscores the belief that while believers receive divine insights and messages through prophetic utterances and spiritual gifts, these revelations are partial and incomplete compared to the fullness of God's truth. This as a reminder of the need for humility and dependency on God's Spirit in interpreting and applying spiritual revelations.

The phrase "we know in part" acknowledges that human knowledge and understanding are finite and subject to our current perspectives and experiences. It emphasizes the ongoing journey of growth and learning in faith, recognizing that our understanding of spiritual truths is progressive and evolving. Similarly, "we prophesy in part" highlights that the prophetic messages received are not exhaustive or complete revelations but are delivered according to God's timing and purpose. Prophecy is a gift of the Holy Spirit intended for edification, exhortation, and comfort within the church community (1 Corinthians 14:3).

1 Corinthians 12:29-30, "Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

Addresses the diversity of spiritual gifts within the body of Christ, emphasizing that not every believer will have the same role or gift. The church is likened to a body, with each member having a distinct function, and all are necessary for the health and growth of the church. This diversity ensures that the church operates effectively, with apostles, prophets, teachers, miracle workers, those with gifts of healing, and others each contributing uniquely to the mission of the church.

It is important to distinguish between the different types of speaking in tongues mentioned in the New Testament. The Bible teaches that speaking in tongues serves different purposes and contexts. First, there is speaking in tongues as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, which is a private and personal experience for every believer baptized in the Holy Ghost. This experience is a sign of the New Birth and is distinct from the spiritual gifts described in 1 Corinthians 12.

The passage in 1 Corinthians 12 refers to the specific gift of tongues used in a public worship setting. This gift, meant for the edification of the church, typically occurs during quiet spiritual moments and requires interpretation. Not all believers will possess this particular gift, just as not all are apostles, prophets, or teachers. This public exercise of the gift of tongues, accompanied by interpretation, is different from the personal prayer language experienced by individuals when they receive the Holy Spirit.

In summary, while every believer is encouraged to seek and receive the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues as a personal experience, the specific gift of tongues used in church settings for communal edification and requiring interpretation is given according to God’s sovereign will and purpose. This distinction clarifies the different roles of speaking in tongues within the body of Christ, both for individual spiritual growth and for the edification of the church.

Thanks for the commentary. However, this doesn't address whether or not the gifts are still active. Paul's words there are a rebuke not an owners manual on the gifts. The Corinthians were abusing the gifts and Paul rebuked them for it.

Why would anyone need to speak to God in tongues. Is there a language He doesn't speak? Actually, how would one speak to God in tongues? It was
God who was giving the message. To speak to God in tongues would essentially be God speaking to Himself through the Christian. How does that even make sense?

Also, if the Christian is speakimg mysteries to God what's the point? There are no mysteries to God.

Read chapter 14 where Paul says, it is written in the Law, tongues are for a sign, not to the believer but to the unbeliever. The purpose of Tongues was a sign to unbelievers, particularly Israel.


In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: ( 1Cor. 14:21-22 KJV)



For with stammering lips and another tongue Will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; And this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them Precept upon precept, precept upon precept; Line upon line, line upon line; Here a little, and there a little; That they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, And snared, and taken. Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, That rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

Paul is quoting from Isaiah and Isaiah is speaking of Israelm

Yes Paul did tell them how to use the gifts. It was for a church that had the gifts. That doesn't mean it's for the Church today.

 

[First and the Last]

It was God confirming the gifts. It was God doing the miracles. No human can give the gifts therefore no human can confirm the word if the apostles. Additionally, what Christian denomination is without error? Whose beliefs are correct? Surely God isn't going to confirm the word of people teaching false doctrine. The apostles had their message from God and He confirmed it.

Since you are reading into it that way. I guess I should have said for your clarification "Doesn't God want the Apostolic message to be confirmed throughout all generations?

It is indeed true that it is God who confirms the gifts and performs the miracles, not any human being. The gifts of the Spirit and the miraculous works are divine confirmations of His truth and presence. No human can bestow these gifts, as they are given by God alone according to His will and purpose. While we may debate which denomination is without error and whose beliefs are perfectly aligned with Scripture, we must remember that God’s truth transcends human understanding and doctrinal differences. The apostles received their message directly from God, and He validated it with signs and wonders. In seeking to follow the apostles' teachings, it is vital to rely on the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the clear revelation of Scripture. As we strive to live out our faith, we must humbly acknowledge our dependence on God’s grace and seek unity in the essentials of the Gospel, trusting that He will confirm His Word and guide us into all truth.

Acts 2:39 says, "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

This verse highlights the inclusivity and perpetuity (a bond or other security with no fixed maturity date) of God's promise. The promise of the Holy Spirit, as experienced on the Day of Pentecost, is not limited to the apostles or the early church but is available to all generations and to everyone whom God calls. It emphasizes that the gifts and the power of the Holy Spirit are for all believers, affirming that God’s confirming work through the Spirit continues throughout all ages and across all boundaries. This reinforces the belief that God’s truth and the outpouring of His Spirit are meant for all who seek Him, ensuring that His work and confirmation of the Word persist through time.

 

[Butch5]

Since you are reading into it that way. I guess I should have said for your clarification "Doesn't God want the Apostolic message to be confirmed throughout all generations?

It is indeed true that it is God who confirms the gifts and performs the miracles, not any human being. The gifts of the Spirit and the miraculous works are divine confirmations of His truth and presence. No human can bestow these gifts, as they are given by God alone according to His will and purpose. While we may debate which denomination is without error and whose beliefs are perfectly aligned with Scripture, we must remember that God’s truth transcends human understanding and doctrinal differences. The apostles received their message directly from God, and He validated it with signs and wonders. In seeking to follow the apostles' teachings, it is vital to rely on the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the clear revelation of Scripture. As we strive to live out our faith, we must humbly acknowledge our dependence on God’s grace and seek unity in the essentials of the Gospel, trusting that He will confirm His Word and guide us into all truth.

Acts 2:39 says, "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

This verse highlights the inclusivity and perpetuity (a bond or other security with no fixed maturity date) of God's promise. The promise of the Holy Spirit, as experienced on the Day of Pentecost, is not limited to the apostles or the early church but is available to all generations and to everyone whom God calls. It emphasizes that the gifts and the power of the Holy Spirit are for all believers, affirming that God’s confirming work through the Spirit continues throughout all ages and across all boundaries. This reinforces the belief that God’s truth and the outpouring of His Spirit are meant for all who seek Him, ensuring that His work and confirmation of the Word persist through time.

In context Peter was addressing the Jews. At that point the Gentiles had not yet been included. Thus, we can't claim that this passage includes Gentiles. Is it possible? Yes. But it could also be a reference to the Jews of the Diaspora that were scattered afar. At this point Peter had no idea of the Gentile's inclusion.

Having said that, we know that all believers receive the Holy Spirit. However, that does not necessitate supernatural gifts.

The gifts were to confirm the apostles message. As such, they were the only ones who could bestow supernatural gifts onto others. That begs the question, since the Apostles are no longer here, and they were the only source through which the gifts were given, how does one receive these gifts today?

As I noted, Paul said tongues was a sign for unbelievers. He referenced Isaiah who clearly states that Tongues was a sign to the leadership of Israel in Christ's day. Paul also said that Tomgues would cease of its own accord. Since Tomgues was a sign of coming judgment it stands to reason that once that judgment came there would no longer be need for the sign and as such it would cease. This fits perfectly with what Paul said. Tongues wasn't given for thr purpose of edifying the Church. That may have been a side effect, but that was not its purpose. Its purpose was as a sign to Israel.

 

[First and the Last]

Why would anyone need to speak to God in tongues. Is there a language He doesn't speak? Actually, how would one speak to God in tongues? It was
God who was giving the message. To speak to God in tongues would essentially be God speaking to Himself through the Christian. How does that even make sense?

Why would anyone need to speak to God in tongues? Is there a language He doesn't speak?​

Speaking to God in tongues is a unique spiritual experience described in the New Testament, particularly in 1 Corinthians 14. It is not about God needing to understand a specific language but about the believer entering a deeper, more intimate form of communication with God. Speaking in tongues is seen as a gift from the Holy Spirit that allows a believer's spirit to pray directly to God, transcending the limitations of human language. This practice is believed to edify the believer, building them up spiritually, and allows them to express their innermost feelings and prayers that may be beyond the capacity of their native language. It's a way of communicating mysteries in the spirit, aligning with God on a profound level.

Actually, how would one speak to God in tongues?​

Speaking to God in tongues involves yielding to the Holy Spirit, allowing Him to guide and form the words spoken. According to Acts 2:4, the disciples were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. This suggests that the initiative and inspiration come from the Holy Spirit, while the believer cooperates by vocalizing the words. It is an act of faith and surrender, where the believer trusts the Holy Spirit to intercede through them with groanings that cannot be uttered, as described in Romans 8:26. In this process, the believer's mind may not comprehend the words, but their spirit communicates directly with God.

It was God who was giving the message. To speak to God in tongues would essentially be God speaking to Himself through the Christian. How does that even make sense?​

While it may seem paradoxical, speaking in tongues is a profound expression of the Holy Spirit's work within a believer. In essence, it is indeed the Spirit of God interceding through the believer, as highlighted in Romans 8:26-27, where the Spirit helps our weaknesses and intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. This intercession aligns the believer's prayers with God's will. It is not merely God speaking to Himself but a dynamic interaction where the believer becomes a vessel for divine communication. This process emphasizes the believer's dependence on the Holy Spirit for effective prayer, highlighting the unity between the believer's spirit and God's Spirit, and ensuring that the prayers align perfectly with God's will and purpose.

Also, if the Christian is speakimg mysteries to God what's the point? There are no mysteries to God.


Yes Paul did tell them how to use the gifts. It was for a church that had the gifts. That doesn't mean it's for the Church today.

The practice of speaking mysteries through tongues is primarily for the edification of the believer and the church. In 1 Corinthians 14:2, Paul says, "For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries." This practice allows the believer to transcend human limitations and connect deeply with the divine. It is an act of faith and surrender, where the believer's spirit communicates directly with God, often expressing prayers and praises beyond their understanding.

1 Timothy 3:16 says, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

This scripture highlights that the essence of our faith itself is a profound mystery. By speaking in tongues, believers participate in the divine mystery of godliness, allowing the Holy Spirit to intercede and align their prayers with God's perfect will. This spiritual practice enriches their faith, provides personal edification, and can bring forth divine revelations and insights that deepen their relationship with God.

1 Corinthians 13:8, "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away"

Highlights the enduring nature of godly love. This verse contrasts the eternal and unwavering quality of love with the temporary nature of spiritual gifts like prophecies, tongues, and knowledge. These gifts are essential for edifying the church and spreading the gospel, but they are finite and serve their intended roles within the church age.

Scripture also recognize that these gifts will continue until the end of the age when "that which is perfect is come" (1 Corinthians 13:10). This phrase is interpreted as referring to the culmination of God's plan and the return of Christ, (not the finished canon of Scripture) when believers will experience complete understanding and fulfillment in His presence. At that time, prophecies, tongues, and partial knowledge will no longer be needed as they will be surpassed by the perfect knowledge and revelation found in Christ.

In contrast, charity—selfless, sacrificial love modeled after Christ's love—is eternal and foundational to the Christian faith. It persists beyond the temporal expressions of spiritual gifts because it reflects the very nature of God Himself (1 John 4:8). Scripture emphasizes the importance of cultivating this love in all aspects of life, as it transcends the transient nature of gifts and endures throughout eternity. This perspective encourages believers to prioritize love above all else, knowing that it is the enduring mark of a life lived in communion with God and in service to others.

 

[MedicBravo]

Per the "First" I can assure you my first true receiving of the Holy Spirit was private and I did NOT speak in any language other than English.
Corinthians was a letter TO that church in Corinth. NOT evidence of continual use of Tongue speaking.
Even in the earliest days of audio recording and since has there been no evidence of it. There isn't.
Copeland is one con man where there is video and it's nothing but gibberish. Only the weak-minded, easily fooled, and lower intelligent believe he is "Christian" and "Pastor/Preacher".

Given the countless technological advancements and the fact that cellphones are everywhere then someone would have undeniable proof yet....Nothing.
"Prayer language"?
If there was true "healing" then more Christian leaders would be going to hospitals not to randos on the street.

 

[B-A-C]

Corinthians was a letter TO that church in Corinth. NOT evidence of continual use of Tongue speaking.

Using that logic, none of Paul's letters apply to any of us.

We aren't in Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Colossae, Phillipi, Thessalonica, or Galatia.

Why even read the Bible if none of it applies anymore?