Spirit and Life

[T Man]

Whitestone,

Of all the encouraging threads here at Talk Jesus that you could have clicked on, I am sad that this is the one you picked.

I do not understand most of Tman's post and his latest one about dreams and visions is quite disturbing. It is my hope that he will utilize the audio bible links that I provided and seek God's Holy Spirit in God's word. He says he does not read well (though he can use a computer which requires reading). I am encouraged by his ability to overcome what seemed to be an unteachable spirit by spacing his paragraphs and such. It is my hope that Tman will learn to apply that same teachable spirit to Bible study to see for himself if these spiritual epiphanies are indeed from God.

As for my part in this thread, I have tried to sift what Tman has said through scripture and his "Jesus talks" don't seem to line up with the Bible on many levels. I have my concerns that he may be a troll. Especially now that Tman didn't even acknowledge the audio bible links, but my hope is that he is just a man that really wants a real personal relationship with God.

Some of the other participants in this thread are indeed mighty zealous in their assertion that Tman is a false prophet with their brutal and forceful rebuke. Some of what was said could be considered "Christians behaving badly". I too am still cautious as I am well aware of the scriptures that earnestly warn us that false prophets would be prevalent in our midst. They will take a wee bit of truth and twist it into a great big lie and make it palatable for the gullible and deceive them with the end result of hoping to trip up those on this path of life causing harm to the body of Christ. So it is quite prudent to proceed with caution.

Again, I am sorry if this thread was a discouragement to you.

I hope you were able to find some cool threads to read. :shade:

God is truly awesome and to know Him is our heart's desire. I hope you stick around and find Christian fellowship here at Talk Jesus.

Strypes I am sorry I can't put faith in someones hand like a rock or stone, really it would make it easier for me, I can tell ya. Faith is not about the seen things of God one can see and touch, thats belief. Faith is about the unseen things and that is what makes it faith. I don't know why I hear Him? I don't know how I hear Him? I just do. I did not set out to conjorup a new belief or something like that. I just had trouble reading years ago and an old lady at a church I went to said talk to Him. i believe she meant pray to Him. But I satrted to talk to Jesus and even though i heard nothing for many years, it was not about hearing Him, it was about talking to Him for me. I did not think i would hear him, I just wanted to talk to him. talking for years paid off, I guess He saw my heart for Him and he started to talk to me, at first only few words, one liners i guess. its has only been time and steadfast devotion to my talking to him that opened up a connection of some kind, I believe it is the Holy Spirit that carries our communication between us.

Am I a troll, no I have to give account to him one day. I am not about telling the world to follow this way or that way, I am just sharing what Jesus gives me as He instructs me. I don't care if a person is a Baptist, a Catholic or a JW, these things don't effect me one little bit. Jesus told me not one person is without sin, not one person is correct 100%, that all of us and the includes me is doing the best we can with what we have on the day. Its when you don't try, you fail. trying and getting it wrong is just learning, but one should never give up and one should never sign off on a belief, we always each day try again and harder to seek Jesus, its the desire we have that helps us. Or that what Jesus said to me. We only fail when we give up on the race and except 2nd best.

I am sorry you opened this posts Whitestone, but listen to Strypes there are many good things here to read and join in on.

 

[Strypes]

Just when I think we may finally get on the same page, you seem to be baiting me with that JW remark.

Maybe you are just ignorant to that cult the way I once was.

There is no common ground between The Watchtower (Jehovah's Witnesses) and those that seek to follow Jesus. The Common Ground should have been at Calvary but their jesus is not God but rather Michael the Archangel (a lie) and therefore their "Jehovah" is Not God.

They are a true example of false prophets so It should matter.


So I took the bait..

 

[T Man]

Just when I think we may finally get on the same page, you seem to be baiting me with that JW remark.

Maybe you are just ignorant to that cult the way I once was.

There is no common ground between The Watchtower (Jehovah's Witnesses) and those that seek to follow Jesus. The Common Ground should have been at Calvary but their jesus is not God but rather Michael the Archangel (a lie) and therefore their "Jehovah" is Not God.

They are a true example of false prophets so It should matter.


So I took the bait..

Not baiting at all, stop looking into it as I am out to get you. I just mean I will not judge anyone or what they follow, what one follows today if wrong can change tomorrow in Jesus. Like Paul did, he went after Christians but Jesus put him right and Paul did mighty works after that. Jesus can change anyone, we on the other hand have to be open to see that change coming.

I know i will get in troulbe for this, but here goes anyhow. I believe there is no level of sin, sin is just sin and sin keeps us from the Father. Knowing my luck of late, their maybe a scripture that states otherwise. But I have no read that yet if there is. I am only going by what Jesus told me. Sin is isn and all sin is bad.

 

[jari]

t man, you are a prophet, denying this would be trying to escape responsability for prophet is person who tells lord's word like you do and tells of future events.... if your denying this it's just another attemp of trying to cover your self.
and it was God who gave us His word.. that if what you say doesn't come true, then He has not sent you. since you dont have anything of that sort to verify that you are God's prophet I can only assume that you are not since true prophet would only speak true and things that do come to pass.

i think you have no proof like that because you cannot have real visions that tell of future events.

claiming to know something and having no evidence is the easiest thing to do. claiming something after long time will happen is another easy thing to do as no can know for sure if its true. But i think God's prophets are not like that. they would tell things that do come to pass and people would see. Why would God even give you vision of 911 and you wouldnt tell that to anyone? (except for some officials who aren't interested before or after it happened) I think your just trying to fool the blue eyed.

t man what evidence you have that your God's prophet?
because only that would make me to listen to you because God him self gave us safeguard against false prophet who falsely prophetise in His name. So according to God's word only if what you say becomes true then only do i need to listen to you.
according to God's word I dont need or should do that before.

Deu 18:21-22

 

[DutchChristian]

Not baiting at all, stop looking into it as I am out to get you.

hear this vicious wolf speak:

'Not baiting at all, stop looking into it as I am out to get you.'

this spirit wants you to stop looking into it, why is that?

because when you look into it more you will be able to notice the wolf hidden underneath the sheep clothing hidden!

What happens in nature when there is a vicious wolf gone loose? an attemting threathening one that bites?

What happens with it....? What does a shepherd do to a wolf when it comes near to his sheep fold to come and devour them? Shall he not come with the rod?


TAKE HEED do not talk with this spirit any longer lest it turn and bite you it is a sick wolf out to bite, uncorrectable and unteachable spirit gone loose wild animal that will not conform to the sheep fold gone out to destroy, to harm and eat of the sheepfold covertly.

DANGER! the devil comes in with wolves attacking looking like sheep!

Matthew 7
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Not baiting at all, stop looking into it as I am out to get you.

Enough is enough i now pray the Shepherd to come with the rod!

Father please Help us Defend us and please Send your Holy Son quickly to defend your Sheep in Jesus HOLY Name AMEN.

 

[Whitestone]

Hi T man. Pleased to meet you.
It seems some are a bit put out with you eh? Yet you appear to be a trooper. You also appear to have a heart for Jesus. I give the benefit of the doubt. I was the chief of sinners so I can't throw rocks at you or anybody. But I do have that past, and I believe I can draw on it a litte in respect to maybe giving you a hand, if I may offer...

The Lord had bigger plans for me than I ever imagined as a good standard church going person when young. I have a big mouth for Jesus now and wouldn't trade it for the world, in fact, I'd like a bigger mouth to speak His Name more and more if at all possible! The Lord Loves putting His Word in my mouth so that I can speak knowledge wisdom understanding admonition love rebuke doctrine instruction in righteousness etc.... with this big mouth I have.

I praise Jesus for this and pray continually He would use me before the nations to whom I'm sent to deliver His Gospel.

But when I was younger and not so understanding of scriptures, I spoke a lot of things with my big mouth that should not have been spoke. I hurt others and I hurt myself because of my youth and ignorance, but MOSTLY because I didn't know the Word of God.

There is the key.

I learned that I should never open my mouth and say something that wasn't written in the Word. Just like Jesus. Just like Jesus!

Everything Jesus said came right out of scriptures. In fact, due to this very fact, He is referred to as "The Word Made Flesh".

Likewise, now, We take in the Word of God from Holy Writ, just as Jesus did when He grew up and learned the Written Word until He was the total complete Word made flesh! THEN He manifested Himself to Israel when He was about thirty years of age. Also the age contained in the O.T. by which the priest was ordained for the ministry.

Why am I saying all this?

Because I think you have a right heart. But you aren't plugged into the Word of God yet. And there is nothing you can speak that is of the Lord unless you are speaking the Word of God. And NO ONE, not even Jesus Christ our Lord, spoke anything but that which was written prior. How many times did He say, "It is written"? Lots and lots.

What He NEVER did was explain things from visions or dreams. He never told people He did. Even if He had them, which He did of course, you don't find Him "speaking" them or referncing them. If anything, He would have gone to His Bible and found where it was substantiated, and that is what He would have presented to the people who spoke to of Heavenly things.

What ever it was that presented itself to Jesus in the world, especially temptations, or conquering sin and death on our behalf, came specifically and directly from O.T. Holy Writ.

And it ALL has to do with winning souls by preaching the gospel and offering His body and blood and His very Life sacrificed so that He and we could all Live forever!

As I grew older, I recognized that what I had thought was my religious 'truth' when younger, was simply a fuzzy picture. The biggest problem was that most of the churches I attended all put the Kingdom of God off into the future, that would be marked by world events! I didn't understand a thing in other words lol! I call it the religion of "futurism". Men's hearts failing them for fear etc etc...

True Christians Live NOW. The Kingdom of God is within you. No "event" on the planet has any meaning concerning the Kingdom of God because nothing in this world can touch it. It is Eternal and Forever since it's foundation two thousand years ago. We have only to rejoice in His Kingdom of Righteousness joy and peace in His Holy Spirit.

All these things I've been speaking of don't come from my mind. They are all from the voice of God recorded in Holy Writ that are in my mind. So I type them right out. I could provide all the scriptures, and I do when time permits and that is the only way to go to know what manner of spirit I am, or to know what manner spirit you are.

I tend to ramble, that big mouth thing I mentioned earlier... please forgive me.
But there is an important thing to know...
"PROPHECY" seldom means "CLAIRVOYANCE".

The first and foremost definition of the word is to "Bubble forth" with the Word of God. Sometimes it meant clairvoyance in the N.T ... such as that guy Agabus I think his name was, who warned Paul. Jesus gave the Olivet prophecy foretelling the events of the spreading of the gospel and destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. But that is about it. Yet I am a prophet in that I speak the Word of God to people. I don't foretell the future accept for that if they repent and are baptized they will live forever, or that they will die if they don't. But I would never imagine to open my mouth and tell someone something other than that NO MATTER WHAT I DREAMED. Because if it isn't in Holy Writ, it isn't from God. You can take that to the bank.

That is how we can tell a true prophet from a false one. A true one speaks the Word of God. A false one speaks clairvoyance as though they can see the future, and those are the ones who prove to all that they are false because what they speak doesn't happen.

I've read everything you've written T man. You have quite the vivid dream life. But I haven't seen anything from the Lord in any of it.

If it was of the Lord, you would be speaking the Gospel. You would be speaking to people to repent of their sins and be baptized into the Name of our Lord God even Jesus the Christ. Not speaking about imaginary events in the world. What do those things have to do with anything? Nothing in this world has to do with the Kingdom of God and the Coming of the Lord. For the Kindom of God is within you and comes not with observation in the world exactly as Jesus said, (Luk 17:20)
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
(Luk 17:21)
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

I think you have a powerful Life in Christ in store for you Praise Jesus! But make sure that what you say only comes out of Holy Scriptures, by which you can only show yourself approved before God and man. You will never show yourself approved before God and man without speaking the Word of God out of the Bible. And you will never show yourself approved before God and man by proclaiming dreams and visions as a source of futuristic events for people to "take thought about". You aren't doing them or yourself a favor doing that.

Here is how you can know a true dream or vision.... It will graphically demonstrate death to self, and receiving Christ in your flesh in resurrection Life, which should drive a man to baptism into Christ Jesus. No other dream or vision will be of God. For God has no other agenda than our salvation through belief in Christ crucified, resurrected, ascended, glorified and Come by His Holy Spirit into our Temple Bodies.

If you have dreams like this, then you can know those are of the Lord. Then people will be more apt to receive what you have to say if you wanted to talk about them. It is all about salvation remember. Not men's hearts failing them for fear. That isn't our lot.

May you be filled with Peace and righteousness in the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus our Lord,
Whitestone

 

[Strypes]

Not baiting at all, stop looking into it as I am out to get you.

Jehovah's witnesses are false prophets and teach/deceive others using half truths and loaded language.

It is prudent to be on guard being clothed in Jesus' righteousness and in full armor.

 

[Brad Huber]

Yeah, same here Strypes, most of my spiritual dreams are warning to me about other people and my future interaction with them. And yes, its not always easy correctly interpreting them, sometimes the true spiritual meaning doesnt become clear till the moment is nearly upon me.

 

[T Man]

Hi Whitestone
I read your post, thank you for at least having a Christian spirit in your post. In some parts I agree with what you have said, yet in other parts I disagree. Not because I am being stubbon, but because I know the Spirit that talks to me.
As a man follows a religion of over 20 years, he becomes wise in that religion and knows his work. The same is for those that are in Spirit, he knows. I don't judge those that don't know the Spirit of God, I don't judge those that follow a religion. Christ never came to judge or condemn but to save. I follow His role in this, as I am just a man.

But what you ask of me is to turn my back on the only voice that has saved me, to turn my back on the only one who cared to help me because one does not understand the Spirit of God.
Who am I to judge God, who am I that I can instruct the Lord?
I know many have a hard time with the fact I do not know all the scriptures, but I know many here were I live that learnt them and still do not understand them in Spirit. Its one thing to quote a scripture, its another to speak it in Spiritual ways. If God is Spirit, and we know He is because Jesus said it in John. Then the Wisdom of God is Spiritual and not of the flesh, I believe it says "the flesh is no help at all". Why do Christians read this and not believe it? Does God our Father or Jesus Christ say things that are worthless? No, everthing that has come from theirs mouths is good food and has deep meaning to it. No one word is a lie, not one words is without power.
I have heard Christians say to me, they believe but fail to follow what He said, why? Because they have been told, its not for us, it was for them years ago. What a lie that is, the Bible is not an old dusty book sitting on a shelf, its a living works, a living word that has more meaning now than it ever did. If Jesus said you can do mighty works, you bet your bottom dollor you can. So I ask this questions, why do men fall away from Christ? Why do they backslide? Why do they fail? Why do they sin and sin and sin again and say I am just a man?
In Jesus a man goes from flesh to Spirit as it says He makes all things new. What is new about failing? What is new about falling away, what is new about being out of power asking other to pray for me because I feel flat? Is it they read the Bible yet fail to believe or is it they just read it with flesh and fail to see the power in the words? The world is like an deep ocean and we are living under it. the Bible and the Spiritual word of God is the air we need to breath in order to stay alive.

Sorry, but I am not ever going to turn my back on Him because others don't understand, others don't see or others like saving themselves. I will always speak what He tells me to speak, because He is Lord.
I could attemp to try and save myself, but i am not my saviour, Jesus is my saviour. I will learn the scripture, but wil learn them in Him alone, If I have to learn them in His time, then so be it, after all He is Lord.

But I will never call upon evil to curse another like some here have done thinking more of themselves than they should, I will never look upon myself as something greater than another, I am just a man and only God is Good.

Blessings

 

[Strypes]

But what you ask of me is to turn my back on the only voice that has saved me, to turn my back on the only one who cared to help me because one does not understand the Spirit of God.


I have heard Christians say to me, they believe but fail to follow what He said, why? Because they have been told, its not for us, it was for them years ago. What a lie that is, the Bible is not an old dusty book sitting on a shelf, its a living works, a living word that has more meaning now than it ever did.

I will learn the scripture, but wil learn them in Him alone,

What if this "him and him alone" spirit that "teaches you" is not God? How would you know if you do not consider what was said in light of the Bible?

It is obvious that you can read and type. So why not read the Bible and compare this "spirit guide"' to what God says in scripture?

 

[Whitestone]

Hi Whitestone
I read your post, thank you for at least having a Christian spirit in your post. In some parts I agree with what you have said, yet in other parts I disagree. Not because I am being stubbon, but because I know the Spirit that talks to me.
As a man follows a religion of over 20 years, he becomes wise in that religion and knows his work. The same is for those that are in Spirit, he knows. I don't judge those that don't know the Spirit of God, I don't judge those that follow a religion. Christ never came to judge or condemn but to save. I follow His role in this, as I am just a man.

But what you ask of me is to turn my back on the only voice that has saved me, to turn my back on the only one who cared to help me because one does not understand the Spirit of God.
Who am I to judge God, who am I that I can instruct the Lord?
I know many have a hard time with the fact I do not know all the scriptures, but I know many here were I live that learnt them and still do not understand them in Spirit. Its one thing to quote a scripture, its another to speak it in Spiritual ways. If God is Spirit, and we know He is because Jesus said it in John. Then the Wisdom of God is Spiritual and not of the flesh, I believe it says "the flesh is no help at all". Why do Christians read this and not believe it? Does God our Father or Jesus Christ say things that are worthless? No, everthing that has come from theirs mouths is good food and has deep meaning to it. No one word is a lie, not one words is without power.
I have heard Christians say to me, they believe but fail to follow what He said, why? Because they have been told, its not for us, it was for them years ago. What a lie that is, the Bible is not an old dusty book sitting on a shelf, its a living works, a living word that has more meaning now than it ever did. If Jesus said you can do mighty works, you bet your bottom dollor you can. So I ask this questions, why do men fall away from Christ? Why do they backslide? Why do they fail? Why do they sin and sin and sin again and say I am just a man?
In Jesus a man goes from flesh to Spirit as it says He makes all things new. What is new about failing? What is new about falling away, what is new about being out of power asking other to pray for me because I feel flat? Is it they read the Bible yet fail to believe or is it they just read it with flesh and fail to see the power in the words? The world is like an deep ocean and we are living under it. the Bible and the Spiritual word of God is the air we need to breath in order to stay alive.

Sorry, but I am not ever going to turn my back on Him because others don't understand, others don't see or others like saving themselves. I will always speak what He tells me to speak, because He is Lord.
I could attemp to try and save myself, but i am not my saviour, Jesus is my saviour. I will learn the scripture, but wil learn them in Him alone, If I have to learn them in His time, then so be it, after all He is Lord.

But I will never call upon evil to curse another like some here have done thinking more of themselves than they should, I will never look upon myself as something greater than another, I am just a man and only God is Good.

Blessings

Dear T man, your response is baffling.

You ramble about nothing relating to what I posted.

Here is the point, and I'll be direct;

When you speak claiming a voice said something to you, and you claim that voice is Jesus, yet your message is contrary to the REAL Word of God, that is how everyone can tell what manner of spirit you are!

And YES, you should be VERY concerned about that.

Your witness is compromised by the babbling of strange ideas and dreams that have nothing to do with the Gospel of Salvation in Christ Jesus. You drone on and on about nonsense that has nothing to do with Jesus. So I've seen so far. Perhaps some of the others here have reason to be put out with your posts maybe?
Don't you care whether your witness is of God or not? You HAVE to compare you "experiences" against the Word of God. You are commanded to in fact by God Himself. If I were you I wouldn't be so hasty to put off good council by sons of God, you think?
Being illiterate is no excuse. Listen to the Bible on tape if you have to. Definetly listen or read the New Testament. If you can type, you can read. So that is a cop out. Nothing of what you say matches the Bible! So it isn't of God. I hope for your soul brother!

A word to the wise.

Peace,
Whitestone