The brothers outside spoken of in the verses in question were the apostles not siblings, as to regarding Matthew. What you are now posting Still- this does not discredit what I am saying and /or the other scriptures. No secrets! Not denying Christ had half siblings , I am discussing Christ's mother.
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Well I have shared some views concerning doctrine as have you all. Moving on. But for sure I can not raise her where God did not first put her. I can only accept that exalting and add to it in the will of the Father. I know your doctrine, and you have proven nothing concerning the scripture which clearly is not divided . The only contradiction here is what is being touted here. Done, God Bless!
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Mary was never sinless or perfect, but Jesus was. Mary Magdalene was very first person to confess Jesus to be alive from the dead.
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Mary is sitting on the right hand of God in Christ just like all the saints are.
I never said she did not have sin. I was addressing some other stuff first. As I said the scriptures do not contradict themselves. I am simply saying I recognize truth and lies in doctrines men throughout Christian history - (which is HIS-STORY), that men have made. Paul is clear:
Righteousness through Faith Romans 3:22-24
…22And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.…
Even Mary says she rejoices in God her Saviour.
Mary's Song Luke 1:45-46
45Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord’s word to her will be fulfilled.” 46Then Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord, 47and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!…
I also reject Co-Redemptrix, because Christ is the ONLY Redeemer. He needs no help to redeem men as He first redeemed Mary and raised her up to a royal reign in Him, by Him with Him.The Woman has no authority over the head, the Son of Man but is given authority by the Husband to speak on HIS behalf .Again Mary is a type and symbolism of the church, the church is not the head of Christ , Christ is the head over the Bride. Denominations however, have tried to act as though they are the head and disregard admonishment which comes from Christ.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
Romans 5:12-21
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. 13For sin was in the world before the Law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. He is a pattern of the One to come.
15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many! 16Again, the gift is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment that followed one sin brought condemnation, but the gift that followed many trespasses brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
18Therefore, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20The Law was given so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness, to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The problem is as I stated before, SELFISH AMBITION is why denominations quarrel. St Paul spoke of the importance of considering others more important than oneself. I get exactly what is going on. God has played all hateful men against themselves in denominations. He has reserved the Best wine for the END of the Wedding feast= end of the wedding feast of denominations during the END of the age.He is giving the best wine now first to the servants. The servants= the humble, who are permitted to receive this wine first and know where it comes from. In turn will then serve it up to Israel. But first the the ADMONISHMENT is coming, which is before His time. " Woman what is do to do with Me?, it is not yet my time." Meaning, "what does this have to do with Me- EVERYTHING AND IS WHY HE DID WHAT HE DID IN THE WEDDING AT CANAAN DIALOGUE. He does nothing against His will and does not take directions from the Church but does , on behalf of her prayers and wishes IN WISDOM- INTERCEDE!. Before His second coming - before HIS TIME, He will perform an admonishment and miracle, that the TRUTH may prevail. For the gates of hell shall NOT prevail against the kingdom of hevaen. For the Church in Christ to prevail, the admonishment and miracle must come ,from it will be granted to serve this undiluted truth to Isreal. THE WORD OF THE LORD. A blow is coming to the head of the present system= governing denominations. Then the way wll be made for the servants to "DO WHATEVER HE TELLS YOU" as Mary said. Many are going to fall away, because they have not done what Christ says.
Question does Mary abide at her yes, or does she keep on sinning? It is clear that before the annunciation she is taken from the same lump of clay - mankind -which Paul says there are no distinctions ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But does she abide at her yes? Being Holy sanctified and her flesh subject to the spirit and abiding in that would she continue to sin? Can she once the Holy seed (spiritually first )the Holy Spirit in her- and then in flesh (Christ) God Incarnate- her Holy Seed =Child concieved in flesh, hers, that He may be birthed by spirit and water by the womb, (a Holy Sanctified womb) will she keep on sinning .
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…5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.…
Has she seen Him and known Him first before anyone else in Christianity?
Before all these lessons in teachings were taught, she was brought to this before all , at her YES Immaculately conceived in Chris's spirit, Born again, restored and abiding in that restoration. If she would go back to sin she would reject all of this including her restoration. we are told in Hebrews 6, it is impossible to be restored again if you go back to sinning at this point.
A Call to Maturity Hebrews 6:1-20
1Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works,a and of faith in God, 2instruction about baptisms,b the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And this we will do, if God permits.
4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age— 6and then have fallen away—to be restored again to repentance, because they themselves are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to open shame.
7Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is tended receives the blessing of God. 8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless, and its curse is imminent. In the end it will be burned.
9Even though we speak like this, beloved, we are convinced of better things in your case—things that accompany salvation. 10God is not unjust. He will not forget your work and the love you have shown for His name as you have ministered to the saints and continue to do so.
11We want each of you to show the same diligence to the very end, so that your hope may be fully assured. 12Then you will not be sluggish, but will imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.
God's Unchangeable Promise
13When God made His promise to Abraham, since He had no one greater to swear by, He swore by Himself, 14saying, “I will surely bless you and multiply your descendants.”c 15And so Abraham, after waiting patiently, obtained the promise.
16Men swear by someone greater than themselves, and their oath serves as a confirmation to end all argument. 17So when God wanted to make the unchanging nature of His purpose very clear to the heirs of the promise, He guaranteed it with an oath. 18Thus by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be strongly encouraged.
19We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and steadfast. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20where Jesus our forerunner has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.
She was brought to FULL MATURITY at her YES to God ,for the purpose of God. She did not look back. In her the promise to Abraham is fulfilled. This is the COVENANT Promise, and she became the vessel of that- an Ark.
Blessed is she among women, that means all women and Blessed is the fruit of her womb. She is highly favored and given grace in full at her Yes. We too are to be FULL OF GRACE. The process to full restoration is not instantaneous as hers was. But some do reach maturity faster than others due to the humbleness before God.
Sing to the LORD a New Song Psalm 149:3-5
…3Let them praise His name with dancing, and make music to Him with tambourine and harp. 4For the LORD takes pleasure in His people; He adorns the afflicted with salvation. 5Let the saints exult in glory; let them shout for joy upon their beds.…
Luke 1:46-55
Mary’s Song of Praise
46 And Mary said,
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has looked with favor on the lowliness of his servant.
Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.
50 His mercy is for those who fear him
from generation to generation.
51 He has shown strength with his arm;
he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts.
52 He has brought down the powerful from their thrones,
and lifted up the lowly;
53 he has filled the hungry with good things,
and sent the rich away empty.
54 He has helped his servant Israel,
in remembrance of his mercy,
55 according to the promise he made to our ancestors,
to Abraham and to his descendants forever.”
She received a royal crown of victory in Christ. she said "let it be done unto me according to your Word". She believed in the MOST INCREDIBLE thing EVER TOLD to man. She in humble obedience did the will of God the Father.
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…5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.…
Has she seen Him and known Him first before anyone else in Christianity?
Before all these lessons in teachings were taught, she was brought to this before all , at her YES Immaculately conceived in Chris's spirit, Born again, restored and abiding in that restoration. If she would go back to sin she would reject all of this including her restoration. we are told in Hebrews 6, it is impossible to be restored again if you go back to sinning at this point.
A Call to Maturity Hebrews 6:1-20
1Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works,a and of faith in God, 2instruction about baptisms,b the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And this we will do, if God permits.
4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age— 6and then have fallen away—to be restored again to repentance, because they themselves are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to open shame.
7Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is tended receives the blessing of God. 8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless, and its curse is imminent. In the end it will be burned.
9Even though we speak like this, beloved, we are convinced of better things in your case—things that accompany salvation. 10God is not unjust. He will not forget your work and the love you have shown for His name as you have ministered to the saints and continue to do so.
11We want each of you to show the same diligence to the very end, so that your hope may be fully assured. 12Then you will not be sluggish, but will imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.
God's Unchangeable Promise
13When God made His promise to Abraham, since He had no one greater to swear by, He swore by Himself, 14saying, “I will surely bless you and multiply your descendants.”c 15And so Abraham, after waiting patiently, obtained the promise.
16Men swear by someone greater than themselves, and their oath serves as a confirmation to end all argument. 17So when God wanted to make the unchanging nature of His purpose very clear to the heirs of the promise, He guaranteed it with an oath. 18Thus by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be strongly encouraged.
19We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and steadfast. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20where Jesus our forerunner has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.
She was brought to FULL MATURITY at her YES to God ,for the purpose of God. She did not look back. In her the promise to Abraham is fulfilled. This is the COVENANT Promise, and she became the vessel of that- an Ark.
Blessed is she among women, that means all women and Blessed is the fruit of her womb. She is highly favored and given grace in full at her Yes. We too are to be FULL OF GRACE. The process to full restoration is not instantaneous as hers was. But some do reach maturity faster than others due to the humbleness before God.
Sing to the LORD a New Song Psalm 149:3-5
…3Let them praise His name with dancing, and make music to Him with tambourine and harp. 4For the LORD takes pleasure in His people; He adorns the afflicted with salvation. 5Let the saints exult in glory; let them shout for joy upon their beds.…
Luke 1:46-55
Mary’s Song of Praise
46 And Mary said,
“My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has looked with favor on the lowliness of his servant.
Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.
50 His mercy is for those who fear him
from generation to generation.
51 He has shown strength with his arm;
he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts.
52 He has brought down the powerful from their thrones,
and lifted up the lowly;
53 he has filled the hungry with good things,
and sent the rich away empty.
54 He has helped his servant Israel,
in remembrance of his mercy,
55 according to the promise he made to our ancestors,
to Abraham and to his descendants forever.”
She received a royal crown of victory in Christ. she said "let it be done unto me according to your Word". She believed in the MOST INCREDIBLE thing EVER TOLD to man. She in humble obedience did the will of God the Father.
Of course!
Psalm 132:7-9
…7Let us go to His dwelling place; let us worship at His footstool. 8Arise, O LORD, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your strength. 9May Your priests be clothed with righteousness, and Your saints shout for joy.…
Do you know what this prophetic utterance by David means ? Hint it has to do with the snatching up at the End of the Tribulation but first and most importantly it has to do with someone who was taken up as those will be at the snatching up or now known as "Rapture" of the Church. Did Christ take up with Him when He arose and ascended to His resting place- God's throne, the obsolete ark of the OC or the NEW?
The New Covenant Hebrews 8:12-13
…12For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.” 13In speaking of a new covenant,” He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
if Paul says the OC is obsolete and it disappears, this would mean the Ark of the OC made by human hands is NOT the ARK OF HIS STRENGTH. mary is not who she is because of Human hands but because of the POWER OF THE MOST HIGH WHO OVERSHADOWED HER. She was instantly transformed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye and taken up with Christ were she sits in the Temple of God. this too for the ELECT of this end of the age of sin. there is always a type and precursor before the Church has and/or experiences the Divine works of God.
Rev.11:19
19Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and rolls of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm
One of the Arks is in heaven is the the obsolete made by human hands or Mary made the Ark by God's?
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I am not Catholic, even though i was raised Catholic for most of my growing up years. I got saved in a "Assemblies of God" Church 40+ years ago. I am not into Mary being anyone other than a blessed person for being picked to bring forth God's Son into the world. As for May being the "ark" of the covenant is not true to me in anyway. All born again Christian "contain" almighty God in his fullness in their body which is his temple.
Luk 11:27 As He was speaking, a woman in the crowd called out, "God bless Your mother—the womb from which You came, and the breasts that nursed You!"
Luk 11:28 Jesus replied, "But even more blessed are all who hear the word of God and put it into practice." (NLT)
Mary was blessed to be his earthly mother, but more blessed are those who hear, and do the Word of God.
Mat 11:11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
That is right . But more than that , Blessed is the one who HEARS the Word of God and obeys. Again you try to use scripture against scripture. Mary is not Blessed because her womb bore Him or her breast nursed Him but because she heard the WORD and Obey.
Gabriel Foretells Jesus' Birth Luke 1:26-38
26In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to a town in Galilee called Nazareth, 27to a virgin pledged in marriage to a man named Joseph, who was of the house of David. And the virgin’s name was Mary. 28The angel appeared to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”a
29Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30So the angel told her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, 33and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”
34“How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to be bornb will be called the Son of God. 36Look, even Elizabeth your relative has conceived a son in her old age, and she who was called barren is in her sixth month. 37For nothing will be impossible with God.”
38“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May it happen to me according to your word.” Then the angel left her.
She is Blessed because she believed. The Lord is telling the woman in the crowd that this is WHY anyone is Blessed
True Blessedness
27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” 28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” He did not mean RATHER THAN MARY but RATHER FOR- believing the Word. The Word is no contradiction. It can not say Blessed among woman and then not Blessed among woman, and Blessed among woman means all woman. Again Christ is saying that the reason for anyone being Blessed is not because of anything other than hearing the Word and obeying it. Mary heard the Word spoken to her and obeyed it. Christ is telling the woman in the crowd she too and anyone will be blessed if the HEAR the word and obey.
As for you having been Catholic and not into anything concerning Mary, Oh Well. I am not Catholic and I am into the TRUTH about Mary as pertaining to what the scriptures say. I care not what denominations think. You have something in common with the RCC more than you know, they too reject the TRUE doctrine about Mary, as do the Orthodox. They fashion their own doctrine just as the Protestants do. I do not think you get anything I am saying, because you would have to believe the Word and understand it according to what the Holy Spirit reveals. Either you are right and if so then Word contradicts Himself and the IS wrong. Since scripture is God breathed , there can be no lie, for God is not a liar. I have supported all claims in my argument with scripture . You think you have chosen scripture to support your claims against. We both can not be right. But in this debate I have proven the TRUE language of the Word you have not. So, it is your seeing and hearing that must be wrong. Because it is clear that Christ is saying the reason anyone is Blessed is because of HEARING THE WORD and obeying it. And it is CLEAR that MARY heard the WORD and MARY OBEYED. And this is why she is BLESSED and she heard it before all else did who were to be in and of the NEW COVENANT. THE WORD OF THE LORD ,TRUE, PURE GOOD UNALTERED, NO LIE OR SHADOW OF CONTRADICTION.
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Eph 1:20; which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21; far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
Eph 1:22; And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church,
Php 2:9; For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
Php 2:10; so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Eph 1:21; far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
Eph 1:22; And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church,
Php 2:9; For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
Php 2:10; so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
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Mary was not the first to hear the Gospel. Abraham heard the Gospel from God way before Mary ever did.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
If it was not for Abraham's faith, and his prophecy Jesus could not have been born.
Did I say she was above His Rule and authority? Nor does the Word. But you seem to think you are above His rule and authority by discrediting His mother. When or where did I say she is above His rule and authority? NO WHERE at NO TIME!
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Anyone can make scripture say anything they want. Truth only comes from God the Father, confirmed by his Word, and the Holy Spirit bearing witness to that truth. If you are missing any of those then you do not have truth, but some man made argument that sounds good to the logical analytical mind which is the enemy of God.
WOW! JUST WOW! Mary is a descendant of Abraham in her the promise to Abraham is fulfilled is what I said. As for God needing anyone to do anything, WOW! He chooses to make Himself known to us,not out of need but want.
he does not need us we need Him, JUST WOW!
Well then I guess we know the answer. You and I differ and I am unaffected by your views. I will convince you of nothing nor you me. We both agree, we disagree with each other. But for sure one of us is in disagreement with the Word!
It is funny, the Word has become the Baby in the story of Solomon concerning the two women who sought claim on the Baby. Each wanted the child and each try to convince the king that she was the baby's true mother. One was willing to let the king divide the baby and the true mother would never divide the baby, and in this the king new who the true mother was. Why? BECAUSE TRUTH can not be divide. If the Male Child the Son of Man, who is the Word ,be divided then the child would die. The Child the Son of Man who is the Word is the symbolism in this Solomon story. I accept all of scripture and my interpretation does NOT DIVIDE the SCRIPTURES who speaks the truth?
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The test to all truth is as Jesus said...
Luk 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
Luk 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
If you truly had the Wisdom that comes down from above then you should have all of Wisdom's children that testify that it is from God.
James 3:17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.
James 3:18 And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
Are you saying that all here in this forum who agree with YOU are wisdom's children?
As for peace, is this peace only if one agrees with all of you? And I am the one who is partial???????. Seems I can not possibly be partial since I am the only one here with the views I have.
The partiality ball therefore, is in your court. It is your court I am playing on Right! Winebibbers and gluttons, publicans and sinners or Christ eating and drinking with them, what does that have to do with this conversation.
Speaking of wisdom who is Wisdom? And as for her children, well that is determined by who Wisdom is. I let you tell me who wisdom is.
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Read these scripture again.....
Jas 3:17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.
Jas 3:18 And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
These are Wisdom's children, not people!!!
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You have forgotten, God gave authority over all the works of his hand to Adam. The Lord has always needed a man to have faith in him so he could work on planet earth. Without Abraham's faith in God, God could not have sent Jesus.
Gen 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Guess who that lamb was? It just so happens to be the exact spot where Abraham proposed to offer up his son, is where Jesus was crucified!!
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