The Christian prediction of the attack on Donald Trump was two years ago

[Bill]

Oh dear....
I meant the other Bill, Bill.



Well...there is, "According to your faith so be it..."


Much of the Protestant world rejects gifts completely. So of course they won't happen. And while I am aware of the "Charismatic Movement" within the RC church, it is most definitely and rigidly controlled.

Blessings,
Rhema

Lol , sorry I thought you were talking to me.

Well your gifted to know that scripture off the top of your head. I tend to be forgetting some of it these days. My wife thinks I have the beginning stages of Alzheimer's. I think it's probably a little more selective hearing LOL

You know everyone experiences trials from God and it happens all the time and I don't mean trials in a way like job experience them but in some ways maybe the same to a degree when God wants you to reach out with your faith. Even today I saw a lady walking along with a single crutch. The Lord told me immediately what she needed to do to help her leg to give it more strength. But instead of speaking to her with believing in what the Lord had said to me, I asked her what was wrong with her leg and she was telling me and then I sort of implied the exercise that the Lord said to me and it was exactly what she already knew she needed to do. She just needed to do more of it.

Now even though she already confirmed what the Lord had said to me. I did not have the faith to say it to her Point Blank!

I know that God throws these things to me on occasion to challenge me and my faith to believe what he's telling me up front and to approach that person from the perspective that God has set before me. Not to approach the person in disbelief or not believing what God has said to me.

On a side note, the other Bill reminds me of a priest I once met.

This priest wanted to test me, to see if the gifts were really the gifts of the Lord or not. And in those days I had not really been tested by ministers or priests even though I was experiencing all sorts of things.

So the priest asked me what was wrong with him. So I looked at him with spiritual eyes, I could see that his circulation was poor and most of his body there was blood clotting going on in his legs and down in his feet, there was some varicose veins I was looking at his heart and it wasn't working properly and so I started telling them all these things.

He responds to me with, you're definitely not in the Lord. You do not have any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit you're working with the Devil. He goes on to tell me that the doctor told him that he has 1/4 of the circulation that he's supposed to have in his whole body.

I thought to myself afterwards and I thought isn't that what I just said to him, I mean it was literally identical to what he just said to me just in a different perspective. The priest was only looking for the answer that the doctor had given him. He just could not see my answer as being the same.

When I read Bill's comments, and I read the responses that people have made. I see the same thing. It's literally exactly what bill is saying that he is receiving from other people, but he's expecting everyone to say it the way he receives it not the way that the Lord shows it to others

 

[Bill]

You know, that might be problematic when he looses.

8 years ago, on a different forum, someone "had" a prophecy from the Holy Ghost that Hillary would win.

What you might you say in November (or in four years) if that prophecy doesn't come true?

Rhema

Yes it's a challenge isn't it?

I have told people here who I am, and I know this to be true. And I know what the Lord tells me is true

But I don't expect anyone here to actually believe that, I mean why would you. And even when this prophecy comes true, I still don't expect people to believe anything about me. I didn't give those prophecies for you to believe in me I gave them because the Lord gave them to me.

Kind of like the latest one I had about the Sun having an explosion. That particular one is quite different the way it came to me and the way it that I received it was much different than any other Vision I've ever had. But I know it's real.

Certainly I could sit here and think to myself, I like Donald Trump, I want him to win. And I certainly don't want to see him get killed.

Did I tell you, that Donald Trump already knows that he will be killed in office? The Lord sent a messenger to him which he received and understood during his first term in office. Don't you realize how Christian Donald Trump has become. He is the president that walked into office not being Christian but has become Christian while being in office.

The Fulfillment of a prophecy that was given not so long ago. Not by me it was by someone else.

But it is a bit of a tough road to lay out prophecies something of the near future even, and be solid with them knowing that they will happen.

 

[KingJ]

And I have indicated, often, that Yehovah is best fact-checked in hind sight. You appear to reach for a form of fame with the following that thirsts for the limelight. It is silly, Yehovah has not spoken for around 2k years.

People have misread you by not first reading the post you responded to.

Prophecies shared by @Bill and @lukaswide37 mostly mock and embarrass Christianity.

 

[KingJ]

What I have said that the Lord has shared with me, is that President Trump in his second term would be killed in office.

That prior to the great day of the Lord there would be a song on the radio that would be a real toe Tapper and would cross many genres of music. People would claim that artist is the new Mozart or the new Beethoven

More recently the Lord showed me the sun would have an explosion when the troops from the north enter Israel. It would be the beginning of the Great Day of the Lord, the Great Day of the Lord and the Six Seal are the same thing.

I have to agree 100% with @th1bill this is not prophecy. You sound like you are taking a dream as literal.

In the OT a prophet whose prophecy did not come true received the death penalty. Think on that next time your ''people claim the artist is new Mozart'' does not occur.

This kind of ridiculous prophecy is an absolute mockery of the Holy Spirit and Christianity. I can understand why the death penalty was the punishment. You are directly mocking God if you claim He is your source. Calling Him a liar.

A prophet needs to be terrified of misrepresenting God. But I can certainly understand the appeal. A lot like those who cast out demons and heal the sick Matt 7:21-22. It is mostly a carnal power trip to be a 'prophet'. You bring dishonour to those who actually do operate in the gift.

''''People would claim that artist is the new Mozart or the new Beethoven'''. If you think the Holy Spirit would ever give this line to someone, we serve different Gods for sure.

 

[KingJ]

Much of the Protestant world rejects gifts completely. So of course they won't happen. And while I am aware of the "Charismatic Movement" within the RC church, it is most definitely and rigidly controlled.

You have your facts wrong. You are assuming. The truth is that most spot the crazies and avoid them. Even the Holy Spirit is standing beside many in bewilderment.

Matt 7:21-22 was penned for these types of 'gifted people'.

 

[KingJ]

While President Trump was in his first term in office, I had a prophecy come to me that President Trump would be killed during his second term in office.

You are reading into the fact that people are trying to kill him. This is certainly not from the Holy Spirit.

Can we give you the death penalty if it does not come true? If not, then please apologize and stop thinking your hunches and dreams are prophetic.

 

[KingJ]

@lukaswide37 ''There was supposed to be an attack on the leader from the USA first, and then the death of someone else, two events, and after the second one, 3 world wars should start right away.''

What nonsense. You really need to learn to vet your sources.

 

[Bill]

You are reading into the fact that people are trying to kill him. This is certainly not from the Holy Spirit.

Can we give you the death penalty if it does not come true? If not, then please apologize and stop thinking your hunches and dreams are prophetic.

I told you these things years ago. Go ask David, as he holds me to this even to this day.

When Pres Trump was in office the first term was when i shared that phrophecy.

Jump to cunclussions now, before things happen.

Let us see the fruit of the Holy Spirit unfold.

Remember before the sun has its explosion and all goes black, the army from the north will step foot into Israel.

As it's written in the scripture " as they come on "

 

[Brad Huber]

You are reading into the fact that people are trying to kill him. This is certainly not from the Holy Spirit.

Can we give you the death penalty if it does not come true? If not, then please apologize and stop thinking your hunches and dreams are prophetic.

Can we give you the death penalty if he is right? Of course not, but this seems to be your stance.... "better to not say anything at all, when God warns us of something, and only displease God", instead of sharing it which is usually the ONLY reason God shares things with us.

 

[Dave M]

IF a prophet of God someone would know 100% sure they have heard from God and not apologize for stating something they thought they heard from God. Is my thoughts, would everyone agree on that ?

 

[B-A-C]

IF a prophet of God someone would know 100% sure they have heard from God

Deut 18:19; 'It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him.
Deut 18:20; 'But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.'
Deut 18:21; "You may say in your heart, 'How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'
Deut 18:22; "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Jer 23:16; Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you. They are leading you into futility; They speak a vision of their own imagination, Not from the mouth of the LORD.

There were a LOT of prophesies made about Trump the last election that did not come true. Two major prophets of a very large church were 0 for 5. I suspect there will be a lot more prophesies made again. Once again, we will see who the true prophets are. ( or aren't ).

 

[GracefulJourney]

This group sure has some thought provoking topic.

Why I am not saying anything about anyone that is in this topic discussing it.
So to be sure I am not accusing anyone of being such.
But I have seen false Prophets up close and personal, my own sister was one. And helped me see others.
The Bible provides clear guidance on how to identify a false prophet. False prophets are individuals who claim to speak on behalf of God but actually deceive others, either by proclaiming false teachings, leading people away from God’s truth, or promoting self-serving agendas. Both the Old and New Testaments warn believers to be cautious of false prophets and offer criteria to help discern their true nature.
A key component is does it contradict the Word of God and scripture. Are then stating that would not be approved of by God.
There are many key areas in scripture that make this pretty clear.

So the question asking about who prophesized what, more important to ask, is what they state bound in scripture?
Or does it rewrite and defy it? A person making a claim of having been spoken to by God. Is not for me to judge in as much as it should be
Judged by scripture. Its the easiest way to come up with the right answer.

Just and opinion of a new guy here.

 

[Rhema]

... when God wants you to reach out with your faith

When Martin Luther twisted the Faith into one of Belief-in-a-set-of-Propositions-and-Doctrines, thereby creating the Solid Mental Grace, he put the Bible in-between you and God. Then all sorts of weird interpretations followed like, "the gifts are all dead. See? Paul said so !!"

So then who seeks? No one does, since they all think they know what it all means. I distinctly recall when I first heard the word "Dispensation." It was within the context that God dispensed with the gifts. I was only 12, but following behind two elders to go up the stairs in church as they were talking. When I heard that word, the hair on the back of my neck stood up and a chill went down my spine - these two "elders" deciding for God what God wants.

That always seemed suspect to me, but still, even though my mind was not closed to it, the first time the Voice of God spoke to me (at the age of 14) I froze. It was not an easy directive, and it concerned my grandfather lying across the room dying from cancer. I was sitting on the large window sill in his hospital room at night, and said to myself, "If this Christian stuff is true, I ought to be able to go over and heal him," and the Voice (Rhema) said, "GO DO IT !!" I froze, because who's sane and hears a voice? I froze because while I now know about the Rhema, my grandfather was a pastor, and I had heard over and over during those 14 some odd years that the gifts were dead and that God doesn't talk to people directly. There's more, but there are so many on this website who SHOUT SCORN and heap ridicule, (especially one loud opinionated voice), so yes, the phrase "according to your faith" is always present in my mind as is:

(Luke 17:5 KJV) And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.​

Now even though she already confirmed what the Lord had said to me. I did not have the faith to say it to her Point Blank!

Were you told to do so? Just the act of speaking with this lady who then spoke truth to her own condition may have been enough encouragement for her to move in that direction. We're speaking of existential decisions where the outcome is not known, but rather a work in progress.

I know that God throws these things to me on occasion to challenge me and my faith to believe what he's telling me up front and to approach that person from the perspective that God has set before me. Not to approach the person in disbelief or not believing what God has said to me.

Recently, I was walking through the city on a fine summer day when one with a critter approached at me. But my friend (who is clueless) and my wife (who knows) were with me when this happened. Now I would have dealt with the matter forthwith, but the two with me were standing too close and with my attention focused on listening to what I ought to do next, my companions just didn't get the clue to step back far enough. This is why Jesus sent them out two by two, after being trained. One to deal with the problem, one to deal with situational awareness.

So when you say "God throws these things to me on occasion to challenge, ..." go read the answer that Jesus gave to the apostles who asked "increase our faith." It's a pretty challenging lesson.

He responds to me with, you're definitely not in the Lord. You do not have any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit you're working with the Devil. He goes on to tell me that the doctor told him that he has 1/4 of the circulation that he's supposed to have in his whole body.

It's always problematic when others demand a sign.

I have told people here who I am, and I know this to be true. And I know what the Lord tells me is true

But I don't expect anyone here to actually believe that, I mean why would you. And even when this prophecy comes true, I still don't expect people to believe anything about me. I didn't give those prophecies for you to believe in me I gave them because the Lord gave them to me.

I post my testimonies not for others to believe me or even to believe in me, but rather that they may come to know that such things can be true in their life if they murder their disbelief.

(Romans 8:13 KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify (MURDER) the deeds of the body, ye shall live.​

Now it's hard for many to hear, (since they actually think they do know it all), but quite often when Paul writes about the "flesh" he means "foreskin" as a scandalous reference to Judaism. One is not to live after Judaism and its deeds ... but ... MURDER their own conclusions about faith and belief. If not, one just cannot live in what the Spirit teaches. They conflate their mind and reason with the Holy Spirit.

So will anyone listen in order to have their faith increased? Or will they listen to condemn and retreat into their belief bubble? (According to their faith so be it.)

Regardless, we still need to witness.

God bless,
Rhema

 

[Bill]

When Martin Luther twisted the Faith into one of Belief-in-a-set-of-Propositions-and-Doctrines, thereby creating the Solid Mental Grace, he put the Bible in-between you and God. Then all sorts of weird interpretations followed like, "the gifts are all dead. See? Paul said so !!"

So then who seeks? No one does, since they all think they know what it all means. I distinctly recall when I first heard the word "Dispensation." It was within the context that God dispensed with the gifts. I was only 12, but following behind two elders to go up the stairs in church as they were talking. When I heard that word, the hair on the back of my neck stood up and a chill went down my spine - these two "elders" deciding for God what God wants.

That always seemed suspect to me, but still, even though my mind was not closed to it, the first time the Voice of God spoke to me (at the age of 14) I froze. It was not an easy directive, and it concerned my grandfather lying across the room dying from cancer. I was sitting on the large window sill in his hospital room at night, and said to myself, "If this Christian stuff is true, I ought to be able to go over and heal him," and the Voice (Rhema) said, "GO DO IT !!" I froze, because who's sane and hears a voice? I froze because while I now know about the Rhema, my grandfather was a pastor, and I had heard over and over during those 14 some odd years that the gifts were dead and that God doesn't talk to people directly. There's more, but there are so many on this website who SHOUT SCORN and heap ridicule, (especially one loud opinionated voice), so yes, the phrase "according to your faith" is always present in my mind as is:

(Luke 17:5 KJV) And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.​

Were you told to do so? Just the act of speaking with this lady who then spoke truth to her own condition may have been enough encouragement for her to move in that direction. We're speaking of existential decisions where the outcome is not known, but rather a work in progress.


Recently, I was walking through the city on a fine summer day when one with a critter approached at me. But my friend (who is clueless) and my wife (who knows) were with me when this happened. Now I would have dealt with the matter forthwith, but the two with me were standing too close and with my attention focused on listening to what I ought to do next, my companions just didn't get the clue to step back far enough. This is why Jesus sent them out two by two, after being trained. One to deal with the problem, one to deal with situational awareness.

So when you say "God throws these things to me on occasion to challenge, ..." go read the answer that Jesus gave to the apostles who asked "increase our faith." It's a pretty challenging lesson.


It's always problematic when others demand a sign.


I post my testimonies not for others to believe me or even to believe in me, but rather that they may come to know that such things can be true in their life if they murder their disbelief.

(Romans 8:13 KJV) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify (MURDER) the deeds of the body, ye shall live.​

Now it's hard for many to hear, (since they actually think they do know it all), but quite often when Paul writes about the "flesh" he means "foreskin" as a scandalous reference to Judaism. One is not to live after Judaism and its deeds ... but ... MURDER their own conclusions about faith and belief. If not, one just cannot live in what the Spirit teaches. They conflate their mind and reason with the Holy Spirit.

So will anyone listen in order to have their faith increased? Or will they listen to condemn and retreat into their belief bubble? (According to their faith so be it.)

Regardless, we still need to witness.

God bless,
Rhema

Thank you , i think . LOL

 

[Rhema]

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[Bill]

IF a prophet of God someone would know 100% sure they have heard from God and not apologize for stating something they thought they heard from God. Is my thoughts, would everyone agree on that ?

I would not even argee with that. I have seen many who are delusional, yet believe wholeheartedly that they've heard God speak to them. But when you listen to what they have to say you know that that's not true.

What you need to look for is the Fruit of the Spirit, not only in what the person is saying as far as the prophecy goes and looking for the Fulfillment of that if you can live long enough in many cases. But you also have to look at how that person talks or how they act or how they are able to forgive. Or even how they are able to get angry and then ask for forgiveness.

Because the only person that's perfect is God. So yeah I get angry sometimes, even here at Talk Jesus with some of the members. But I also know that I have asked forgiveness from those that I have gotten angry with.

Christians are not an easy crowd there's no doubt about that. People will argue till they're blue in the face that they know the right way. They will go up and down and say look I read the scripture I know what I'm talking about. And then come back 5 months later saying you know something you were right.

So no I would not say that a person who is dead certain on believing that they know what they hear is God's voice, I would definitely test the spirit of that person.

If you have a good gift of discernment, you can always go with the Holy Spirit and see how the holy Spirit moves you.

 

[KingJ]

Can we give you the death penalty if he is right? Of course not, but this seems to be your stance..

I am not the one making a claim that needs to be defended. False prophets were stoned to death in the OT for a reason. Granted, most stoning's were as a result of prophets causing a rebellion against God, this is not the case with @Bill.

.. "better to not say anything at all, when God warns us of something, and only displease God",

No, we must speak up. But properly consider the impact of it. We should all be warning people of end times.

instead of sharing it which is usually the ONLY reason God shares things with us.

This is true. But who is to say it is God? I do not believe God would share something like that.

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I have been a Christian, close to God, hearing His voice and seen many miracles, for 30 years now. This stuff @Bill has typed I do not witness with. It irks me.

 

[KingJ]

I told you these things years ago. Go ask David, as he holds me to this even to this day.

When Pres Trump was in office the first term was when i shared that phrophecy.

Jump to cunclussions now, before things happen.

Let us see the fruit of the Holy Spirit unfold.

You prophesied Trump assassination attempt years ago? Can you link it please?

Remember before the sun has its explosion and all goes black, the army from the north will step foot into Israel.

In the nicest way possible, this sounds crazy my friend.

 

[Bill]

You prophesied Trump assassination attempt years ago? Can you link it please?



In the nicest way possible, this sounds crazy my friend.

May God's humor fill you

it always does sound crazy.

Just ask David, he holds me to this prophecy.
When Pres Trump did not win the second term, David reminded me of what i said about him winning a second term. My responce to David was, " not yet ".

Just because things don't happen the way that you think that they should happen. Or because things are not worded the way that you think that things should be worded, does not mean that they're not going to happen or that that person is not from the Lord. To be quite honest who are you to make that judgment? God brings things about the way he wants, not the way that you want.

Now you can understand the peril of Judas, he also wanted to have things happen the way he wanted them to. About the Messiah triumphantly walking into Jerusalem and claiming Israel as his own. But that's not what he got. No one can manipulate God into doing what they feel it's the best way to do it. Or the best way to receive a prophecy. For the best way that a prophecy should be given.

Look at the Prophecies of Daniel, even to today you really have to have an understanding heart and great discernment to understand these prophecies. Too many times people get them wrong because they are limiting God with their own understanding.

My friend, I am not coming down on you. How can anyone expect anything to be any different. Understanding God is a difficult thing, He is definitely a Mystery.

In God's love

 

[Bill]

This group sure has some thought provoking topic.

Why I am not saying anything about anyone that is in this topic discussing it.
So to be sure I am not accusing anyone of being such.
But I have seen false Prophets up close and personal, my own sister was one. And helped me see others.
The Bible provides clear guidance on how to identify a false prophet. False prophets are individuals who claim to speak on behalf of God but actually deceive others, either by proclaiming false teachings, leading people away from God’s truth, or promoting self-serving agendas. Both the Old and New Testaments warn believers to be cautious of false prophets and offer criteria to help discern their true nature.
A key component is does it contradict the Word of God and scripture. Are then stating that would not be approved of by God.
There are many key areas in scripture that make this pretty clear.

So the question asking about who prophesized what, more important to ask, is what they state bound in scripture?
Or does it rewrite and defy it? A person making a claim of having been spoken to by God. Is not for me to judge in as much as it should be
Judged by scripture. Its the easiest way to come up with the right answer.

Just and opinion of a new guy here.

When it comes to mind is in the Old Testament you had one profit saying one thing and 300 prophets saying something else. If you remember correctly the leader of the 300 Prophets went up to the one saying "when did the spirit leave us and go to you?"

I remember a time years ago when I went to one of the charismatic groups near where I lived. I'd heard about these groups and thought well I could go there and feel alive in the spirit with other people.

A person was telling of a vision that they had seen and another person stood up and gave an interpretation of it. The thing that caught my attention was the person interpreting it, it was nothing like the interpretation that I got from the Lord in fact it was the opposite.

I've had similar experiences too, where a whole group of people in an auditorium or sitting listening to a guy preaching. And I listen to his preaching and I thought to myself it's not right. And about the same moment another person stands up and says "this guy is filled with the Spirit." I told a friend that was sitting next to me, he's not filled with the spirit.

If I was the way I am now, in that same situation. I would have stood up and yelled out that he is not filled with the Holy Spirit. LOL