The deception of the house of God

[jmh137]

Has this turned into a battle? Can a Christian not have church anywhere and everywhere?
I sometimes have church all be myself. As a matter of fact, that's the times when by His Holy Spirit that I have had the strongest visions of the Glory of my Lord. Those were the times that I have had true repentance of heart and He restored me to fellowship with the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
I have also had this at local church, but let's face it, we have to wear a mask to a certain degree when around others. Just as it seems that some may still be wearing a bit of a mask to say (hard core) and more or less condemn the ones we are suppose to be in unity with. Is this making the Lord shed tears because we will not accept what some have gone through on their journeys? Isn't this between our Creator and each of His creations?
I said that my last post would be my last, but I wanted to make it very clear that no one ever said that they didn't pay their tithes. Many people do not or cannot attend a local church every Sunday, but that doesn't mean that they don't give their tithes and offerings. Jesus said that those who just a drink in His name will be rewarded. The reward is knowing the Lord. How quickly we can turn into Pharisees if we do not guard against the yeast that spreads so quickly.
I praise my God in Heaven for all the wonderful local churches that He has ordained to guide others and make disciples of those He has chosen. But please let us never assume that church cannot be held in someone's home, or on the phone, on on t.v., or in a letter, or right here on Talk Jesus. Those who were frist called Christians started in this manner (in their homes).


Where the Sprirt of the Lord is there is liberty.
It is not for us to place chains on anyone.

It is not a matter of laziness. There are many hard working individuals whose god is anything but God. Yes, for some maybe it is a issue lf slothfulness. Maybe for me that is some of the reason. But with Christ there is now no condemnation.

There are many missions and churches to give our tithes and offerings to. As long as it is given in Jesus' name and to His cause, can it be wrong? .......jmh137

 

[jiggyfly]

Wow three to reply to,let me begin. Coconut your breakdown of my post followed by YOUR opinion is irrelevant. I will say to you.. The comment on pride you made is a play on words, you know that and what I mean to heart. Dont play. Deception may be a conspiracy? These gentlemen more so jiggyfly seems to boast of this. I will not condone not going to church, those who are not able bodied and ofcourse circumstances arise in this life so that is that. In my first post if you will read I clearly state one can except Jesus as his or her savior and not attend Church. Your point? Read through. I hold jiggyfly accountable for all his irresponsible posts. Later explained. God bless

jmh137. No battle. A Christian should have church everywhere. If you make it everywhere why not a Church to? Laziness is no excuse. You may change lives there if you would just go sister. There is no way to give enough, and Ill even say that is my opinion. God bless

jiggyfly. This shall go a different way. See I have read and hold you accountable for all you have said. Is that wrong, you may do me the same brother, consistency is key. Lets say for one minute you are right!!! you are the leader you desire to be!!! all are listening to you jiggyfly!!!!! This is some of we might learn from jiggyfly for he is right!!

1.Communion...You said sometimes I just drink a coke and a nab. Now you dont attend Church so ill assume alot of coke and nabs at the house...Wow communion.

2.Tithes. You dont, and do not have to tithe you are free of that.

3.Works. In the same sentence as tithes, works are not necessary.

4.Church. Dont have to its not necessary.

5.Woman in ministry. No, even though Jesus was ministered by women. And scripture supports this. Not good enough for jiggyfly. I asked you previously of these things,your reply is ive changed. You can do it all on your own I guess.

Church is not the issue with you, its your arrogance. You have much to learn but only teach misleading things.Pasting and posting the issues you found are nice, enjoy. But others read and may accidentally follow your lead. So have fun but you may not be law. Inconsistent at best brother. Remember the "gospel in the stars" post, you love it till someone spoke out.(bob in faith) Then it bothered you and you didnt like it? Learn brother and we will all lead eachother to Jesus. For the sake of the children and others, this will be my last post on this. Hold yourself accountable. God bless all.

Thank you Soldier.

 

[Coconut]

Brother, I was not attempting to make a 'play on words' as you call it. You seem to take a lot of pride in your 'institutional' stance, and it is conveyed in every word you carelessly toss around.... "deception, conspiracy, laziness, irresponsible, arrogance" Perhaps you cannot accept there may be theologically sound reasons why many very sincere Christians (no different than yourself) have rejected 'organized religion' to follow Christ. Do you think your opinion is any more relevent than anothers? Actually it`s neither, only what the Word says is truly relevent to the Christian life.

If we examine the Word, we find the Church repeatedly described as the body of Christ. Since man was created to glorify God, our task is to direct others into a relationship with God (not into a building) Right?
Mat 18:20 tells us: For where -or- (whithersoever) two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
So does a man have to attend a temple made with hands to enter the presence of God? Surely God Himself is saying otherwise.
If I am fellowshipping in Jesus name, breaking bread, sharing His Word, singing songs of praise, around my kitchen table with other believers, is`nt God saying He`s in our midst? How about the back yard?
Or around a campfire? On a boat? Withersoever covers the whole wide world does`nt it?
The trouble is you have to erase this scripture altogether to be able to say a Christian is neglecting to "gather together" because he is`nt gathering in a building. You also have to have very little knowledge of Bible history, because it tells us many of the early Christians gathered in homes.
Another problem seems to be that religious teaching has created a view that God is looking down upon His creation and seeing buildings, not to mention signposts. No my friend, God is looking at
people, you and I, His church. No one has to go into a building to find God, and no one has to visit that building on a regular man-made schedule to know God. We know Him, and He knows us, because He lives within our hearts.
If you enjoy the large gatherings in a building, the formality, the programs, etc, then by all means find a group and a setting that`s too your liking, but don`t condemn the man who seeks to follow God outside your institutional walls.

 

[jiggyfly]

Brother, I was not attempting to make a 'play on words' as you call it. You seem to take a lot of pride in your 'institutional' stance, and it is conveyed in every word you carelessly toss around.... "deception, conspiracy, laziness, irresponsible, arrogance" Perhaps you cannot accept there may be theologically sound reasons why many very sincere Christians (no different than yourself) have rejected 'organized religion' to follow Christ. Do you think your opinion is any more relevent than anothers? Actually it`s neither, only what the Word says is truly relevent to the Christian life.

If we examine the Word, we find the Church repeatedly described as the body of Christ. Since man was created to glorify God, our task is to direct others into a relationship with God (not into a building) Right?
Mat 18:20 tells us: For where -or- (whithersoever) two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
So does a man have to attend a temple made with hands to enter the presence of God? Surely God Himself is saying otherwise.
If I am fellowshipping in Jesus name, breaking bread, sharing His Word, singing songs of praise, around my kitchen table with other believers, is`nt God saying He`s in our midst? How about the back yard?
Or around a campfire? On a boat? Withersoever covers the whole wide world does`nt it?
The trouble is you have to erase this scripture altogether to be able to say a Christian is neglecting to "gather together" because he is`nt gathering in a building. You also have to have very little knowledge of Bible history, because it tells us many of the early Christians gathered in homes.
Another problem seems to be that religious teaching has created a view that God is looking down upon His creation and seeing buildings, not to mention signposts. No my friend, God is looking at
people, you and I, His church. No one has to go into a building to find God, and no one has to visit that building on a regular man-made schedule to know God. We know Him, and He knows us, because He lives within our hearts.
If you enjoy the large gatherings in a building, the formality, the programs, etc, then by all means find a group and a setting that`s too your liking, but don`t condemn the man who seeks to follow God outside your institutional walls.

Well said coconut

 

[jiggyfly]

Wow three to reply to,let me begin. Coconut your breakdown of my post followed by YOUR opinion is irrelevant. I will say to you.. The comment on pride you made is a play on words, you know that and what I mean to heart. Dont play. Deception may be a conspiracy? These gentlemen more so jiggyfly seems to boast of this. I will not condone not going to church, those who are not able bodied and ofcourse circumstances arise in this life so that is that. In my first post if you will read I clearly state one can except Jesus as his or her savior and not attend Church. Your point? Read through. I hold jiggyfly accountable for all his irresponsible posts. Later explained. God bless

jmh137. No battle. A Christian should have church everywhere. If you make it everywhere why not a Church to? Laziness is no excuse. You may change lives there if you would just go sister. There is no way to give enough, and Ill even say that is my opinion. God bless

jiggyfly. This shall go a different way. See I have read and hold you accountable for all you have said. Is that wrong, you may do me the same brother, consistency is key. Lets say for one minute you are right!!! you are the leader you desire to be!!! all are listening to you jiggyfly!!!!! This is some of we might learn from jiggyfly for he is right!!

1.Communion...You said sometimes I just drink a coke and a nab. Now you dont attend Church so ill assume alot of coke and nabs at the house...Wow communion.

2.Tithes. You dont, and do not have to tithe you are free of that.

3.Works. In the same sentence as tithes, works are not necessary.

4.Church. Dont have to its not necessary.

5.Woman in ministry. No, even though Jesus was ministered by women. And scripture supports this. Not good enough for jiggyfly. I asked you previously of these things,your reply is ive changed. You can do it all on your own I guess.

Church is not the issue with you, its your arrogance. You have much to learn but only teach misleading things.Pasting and posting the issues you found are nice, enjoy. But others read and may accidentally follow your lead. So have fun but you may not be law. Inconsistent at best brother. Remember the "gospel in the stars" post, you love it till someone spoke out.(bob in faith) Then it bothered you and you didnt like it? Learn brother and we will all lead eachother to Jesus. For the sake of the children and others, this will be my last post on this. Hold yourself accountable. God bless all.

I would still like to hear your definition of ekklesia and I think you are mistaken about me liking the gospel of the stars thread, not once did I ever say I liked it. I suggest you go back and re-read before you make anymore foolish remarks, you are only going to end up embarrassing yourself if you continue with this and I hold you accountable also

 

[Chad]

My my my. Its amazing. I leave for a few hours and come back to a new thread of fuss and verbal nonsense tossing back and forth. I will do it *my* way WITH the Word of GOD as my ***VIEW***, NOT opinion.

Definitions (note, I take from valid sources who fully dwell on nothing but the true Word of GOD)

#1
Church = definition taken from Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

Church
Derived probably from the Greek kuriakon (i.e., "the Lord's house"), which was used by ancient authors for the place of worship.

In the New Testament it is the translation of the Greek word ecclesia, which is synonymous with the Hebrew _kahal_ of the Old Testament, both words meaning simply an assembly, the character of which can only be known from the connection in which the word is found. There is no clear instance of its being used for a place of meeting or of worship, although in post-apostolic times it early received this meaning. Nor is this word ever used to denote the inhabitants of a country united in the same profession, as when we say the "Church of England," the "Church of Scotland," etc.

We find the word ecclesia used in the following senses in the New Testament: (1.) It is translated "assembly" in the ordinary classical sense (Acts 19:32, 39, 41).

(2.) It denotes the whole body of the redeemed, all those whom the Father has given to Christ, the invisible catholic church (Eph. 5:23, 25, 27, 29; Heb. 12:23).

(3.) A few Christians associated together in observing the ordinances of the gospel are an ecclesia (Rom. 16:5; Col. 4:15).

(4.) All the Christians in a particular city, whether they assembled together in one place or in several places for religious worship, were an ecclesia. Thus all the disciples in Antioch, forming several congregations, were one church (Acts 13:1); so also we read of the "church of God at Corinth" (1 Cor. 1:2), "the church at Jerusalem" (Acts 8:1), "the church of Ephesus" (Rev. 2:1), etc.

(5.) The whole body of professing Christians throughout the world (1 Cor. 15:9; Gal. 1:13; Matt. 16:18) are the church of Christ.

The church visible "consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion, together with their children." It is called "visible" because its members are known and its assemblies are public. Here there is a mixture of "wheat and chaff," of saints and sinners. "God has commanded his people to organize themselves into distinct visible ecclesiastical communities, with constitutions, laws, and officers, badges, ordinances, and discipline, for the great purpose of giving visibility to his kingdom, of making known the gospel of that kingdom, and of gathering in all its elect subjects. Each one of these distinct organized communities which is faithful to the great King is an integral part of the visible church, and all together constitute the catholic or universal visible church." A credible profession of the true religion constitutes a person a member of this church. This is "the kingdom of heaven," whose character and progress are set forth in the parables recorded in Matt. 13.

The children of all who thus profess the true religion are members of the visible church along with their parents. Children are included in every covenant God ever made with man. They go along with their parents (Gen. 9:9-17; 12:1-3; 17:7; Ex. 20:5; Deut. 29:10-13). Peter, on the day of Pentecost, at the beginning of the New Testament dispensation, announces the same great principle. "The promise [just as to Abraham and his seed the promises were made] is unto you, and to your children" (Acts 2:38, 39). The children of believing parents are "holy", i.e., are "saints", a title which designates the members of the Christian church (1 Cor. 7:14). (See BAPTISM ?T0000435.)

The church invisible "consists of the whole number of the elect that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one under Christ, the head thereof." This is a pure society, the church in which Christ dwells. It is the body of Christ. it is called "invisible" because the greater part of those who constitute it are already in heaven or are yet unborn, and also because its members still on earth cannot certainly be distinguished. The qualifications of membership in it are internal and are hidden. It is unseen except by Him who "searches the heart." "The Lord knoweth them that are his" (2 Tim. 2:19).

The church to which the attributes, prerogatives, and promises appertaining to Christ's kingdom belong, is a spiritual body consisting of all true believers, i.e., the church invisible.

(1.) Its unity. God has ever had only one church on earth. We sometimes speak of the Old Testament Church and of the New Testament church, but they are one and the same. The Old Testament church was not to be changed but enlarged (Isa. 49:13-23; 60:1-14). When the Jews are at length restored, they will not enter a new church, but will be grafted again into "their own olive tree" (Rom. 11:18-24; comp. Eph. 2:11-22). The apostles did not set up a new organization. Under their ministry disciples were "added" to the "church" already existing (Acts 2:47).

(2.) Its universality. It is the "catholic" church; not confined to any particular country or outward organization, but comprehending all believers throughout the whole world.

(3.) Its perpetuity. It will continue through all ages to the end of the world. It can never be destroyed. It is an "everlasting kindgdom."

Note:
I don't want any more naive comments from anyone towards another. I will not name them publicly because YOU know who you are. Understand me and above all things, understand CHRIST JESUS when He said

John 13:34
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

Sure, no one is perfect neither is the "Church". That's a given. However, its also a given what Jesus is about so dont' "mock GOD" by playing a hypocritical fool yourself and turning around saying "Lord Lord...". If you love GOD, love one another.

How many times do I have to emphasize that TALK JESUS is a family friendly site and that TALK JESUS is purely about the Word of GOD and NOT opinions? Does it not seep into your heads by now or do you want to lose your *privelige* by being banned from this community for not being humble and Christlike, avoiding hasty comments towards each other? Banning is boring when you love those who act this way, which I cannot tolerate on this site.

TALK JESUS ***IS*** an online church (see definition above). Don't think its just an online "forum" or such. Its a congregation of believers. It is a church. Respect the body of Christ or else GOD will probably (I say probably as I'm not GOD's mind reader) discipline you the hard way.

 

[Chad]

The Lord gave me an excellent idea to teach everyone a lesson (those who at least read this thread) what I mean in the site's rules to respond in a humble manner, provide Scripture in responses and remain humble, loving, Christlike even if you disagree with one another (clearly by inviting opinions mixed with GOD's Truth).

Here we go, don't expect this to be easy if your not fully humble.

Each one of you will apologize and ask for forgiveness from *anyone* who you may have offended. The others will, if you wish to be Christlike, do the same.

Consider this a test for yourself to see where your heart is between humbleness, humility and forgiveness.

I pray that you will always seek guidance by the Holy Spirit always

 

[jiggyfly]

I would say that you did hear from God, Chad and your last post confirms what God told me to do.
I give no excuse, I got over into the fleshy side of things and for that I offer apologies to ALL and ask everyone to please forgive me. I have already asked forgiveness from Father and spent some time alone with Him concerning my next steps. PLease accept my apology, I do not want to be a stumbling block but a stepping stone in relation to Christ Jesus.