The Diety of Jesus

[B-A-C]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Col 1:15 And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation.
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him.
Col 1:17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

God created everything. Jesus created everything. Jesus is God.

Col 2:9 For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Heb 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Even God the Father calls Jesus the Son God.

Heb 1:8 But of the Son He says, "THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Isa 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

Matt 1:23 "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD, AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Not like God, not half God... God with us.

John 5:18 For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:34 "But the witness which I receive is not from man, but I say these things that you may be saved.

This is something you absolutely must believe in order to be saved.

Mark 2:27 And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
Mark 2:28 "Consequently, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

The Sabbath was made for man. Not Jesus, Jesus healed 3 times on the Sabbath, and yet never sinned. The part of the Law made specifically for men didn't apply to Him.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

Exod 3:14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Luke 10:18 And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.
When did Jesus see this?

John 17:5 "And now, glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Jesus was around before the world was.

Php 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be held onto,
Php 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Where was Jesus before He came to Earth?

John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Rev 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

God is the Alpha and Omega (beginning and the end). Jesus is the Alpha and Omega.

 

[B-A-C]

Depending on which Bible translation you have, some of these are more accurate than others.

• Titus 2:13:
  
  • New International Version (NIV): "while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."
  • King James Version (KJV): "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."
  • New American Standard Bible (NASB): "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus."
• 2 Peter 1:1:
  
  • New International Version (NIV): "To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours."
  • King James Version (KJV): "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."
  • New American Standard Bible (NASB): "Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ."

 

[Rxlx]

If you say Jesus is GOD then you are also saying Mary is the mother of GOD as the pagan Catholics do.

Jesus is not GOD and GOD is not Jesus.

 

[Christ4Ever]

If you say Jesus is GOD then you are also saying Mary is the mother of GOD as the pagan Catholics do.

Jesus is not GOD and GOD is not Jesus.

No Sister. You have to understand that Jesus pre-existed eternally, prior to manifesting in the flesh as Baby Jesus.
That is why He is seen as fully God, and fully Human at the same time.

The following .pdf might provide you with some further guidance in this.

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/ursinus/Commentary%20on%20the%20Heidelberg%20Ca%20-%20Zacharias%20Ursinus.pdf

To help you so you don't have to read the entire 1000 pages or so you might do well to start in 2 places:
pg 326 - Divinity of Christ
pg 331


Dear Brother, @B-A-C
Another area of consideration should be "Lord of Hosts, Lord of Heavens Armies". The OT clearly identifies God as being the Lord of Hosts, Lord of Heavens Armies. While in the NT if not as clear, does show Jesus as leading the Armies of Heaven (AoH). Plus, as His role and authority over all Creation which would of course include AoH.

Just tossing it out there.

With the Love of Christ Jesus Dear Brother.
YBIC
Nick
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[B-A-C]

Mary was the mother of the "Son of Man". The human part of Jesus. She had nothing to do with the diety of Jesus.

Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

How can a virgin bear a child?

But it did happen.

Matt 1:21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."
Matt 1:22 Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet:
Matt 1:23 "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Luke 1:34 Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"
Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

The Bible makes it clear, because the Holy Spirit impregnated her... for "THAT" reason... Jesus is called the Son of God.
In fact Mary was still a virgin (for a while) after Jesus was born.

Matt 1:24 And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took Mary as his wife,
Matt 1:25 but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.

God became human.

Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
Heb 2:10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

There are about half a dozen verses that say Jesus had brothers and sisters. If Mary was the mother of them all, why aren't they all god(s)?

Luke 22:70 And they all said, "Are You the Son of God, then?" And He said to them, "Yes, I am."

John 10:36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
Saved Christian believers can be called sons of God

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

But they are not called the Son of God because the Holy Spirit impregnated their mothers.

 

[Rxlx]

Jesus is not GOD and GOD is not Jesus.
GOD said so.
Jesus said so.
Satan said so.
Angels said so.
Demons said so.
I say so.

 

[B-A-C]

GOD said so.
Jesus said so.
Satan said so.
Angels said so.
Demons said so.

Where?

I say so.

well then, that makes it true.

 

[Rxlx]

Where?



well then, that makes it true.

Regaradless of your childish sneer the BIble is quite clear - Jesus is not GOD.

GOD said so.
Jesus said so.
Satan said so.
Angels said so.
Demons said so.
GOD said so.
Jesus said so.
Satan said so.
Angels said so.
Demons said so.

 

[Curtis]

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.


if you believe not that I am he; the everlasting and unchangeable I am, the true God, God over all, blessed forever; the eternal Son of God, God manifest in the flesh, really made flesh, and become incarnate; the true Messiah, the only Saviour of sinners; the one and only Mediator between God and man; the Head of the church, prophet, priest, and King, and the Judge of quick and dead; as also the light of the world he had declared himself to be

 

[Rxlx]

Jesus - son of GOD, not GOD.
Rxlx - light of talkjesus's darkness.

 

[Dave M]

Jesus is not GOD and GOD is not Jesus.
GOD said so.
Jesus said so.
Satan said so.
Angels said so.
Demons said so.
I say

1 John 4:3​

And every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

1 John 2:22​

Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:7​

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

thanks my God Jesus for your word

 

[Christ4Ever]

Jesus - son of GOD, not GOD.
Rxlx - light of talkjesus's darkness.

Dear Rxlx,
So, everyone who comes to Talk Jesus is darkness, except for you of course???
So, everyone who disagrees with you is darkness, because all you state is light???
Even the most learned individuals, whether they have been here before or are present now, never claim to have nothing to learn, as they acknowledge that they do not know everything.
Take care, Sister, that the righteousness you profess is not a misplaced sense of self. To God be Glory! \o/

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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[Rxlx]

Dear Rxlx,
So, everyone who comes to Talk Jesus is darkness, except for you of course???
So, everyone who disagrees with you is darkness, because all you state is light???
Even the most learned individuals, whether they have been here before or are present now, never claim to have nothing to learn, as they acknowledge that they do not know everything.
Take care, Sister, that the righteousness you profess is not a misplaced sense of self. To God be Glory! \o/

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
\o/
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You would be a better moderator if you corrected more of the false thinking all other on here display.
Plus my 'light' comment was more or less hyperbole.

 

[Christ4Ever]

You would be a better moderator if you corrected more of the false thinking all other on here display.
Plus my 'light' comment was more or less hyperbole.

I do what I can, but sometimes it is better to let "Iron sharpen Iron" that they may grow as a Brother here likes to state, "Milk Drinkers to Meat Eaters".
Just think of how many would no longer be members if I actually held everyone strictly to adherence to the sites Statement of Faith. We won't be having this exchange, Sister!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[Rhema]

Isa 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Thread 'Isaiah 9:6'

Friday at 11:54 PM

In the thread “Trinity: Is Jesus really God?” by @Yollie, at Post # 94, @DaveM posted 6 English translations of Isaiah 9:6 as a proof text to show that Jesus was God. This was then followed by @Dylan569 posting the same verse from the NRSV (a version not included by Dave) as further support.

FIRST, my thread here is NOT on the Trinity. For the most part it’s a simple essay on the historical context of scriptural manuscripts.

@Dave M, one should not be surprised that the six translations you quoted basically say the same thing since ALL of them are based on the exact...

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[Rhema]

John 5:34 "But the witness which I receive is not from man, but I say these things that you may be saved.

This is something you absolutely must believe in order to be saved.

@Christ4Ever

Well Nick, there you have it ... right there. You heard it. One cannot be saved without believing in the Trinity.

The thing to ask, though, is how many versions of the Trinity are there?

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Rhema

 

[Christ4Ever]

John 5:34 "But the witness which I receive is not from man, but I say these things that you may be saved.

This is something you absolutely must believe in order to be saved.

@Christ4Ever

Well Nick, there you have it ... right there. You heard it. One cannot be saved without believing in the Trinity.

That is not my interpretation, but it is your perspective, which does not surprise me.

I am not seeking your agreement with my viewpoint, and based on your statement, I do not expect to receive it anytime soon if I were. lol

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If you would like to discuss this further, please feel free to send me a private message.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Rhema]

That is not my interpretation, but it is your perspective, which does not surprise me.

My perspective? No, Nick. That's a standard doctrine taught amongst most all Trinitarian churches. Yours might be the exception, but have you ever asked your pastor? You had said you never heard of this until recently. Well I have about 5 decades on you (for having heard this, and repeatedly).

If you would like to discuss this further, please feel free to send me a private message.

No need. You heard me. And you know what I mean. A PM would get nowhere. It's for you to look deep within yourself to understand why you attack certain people and not others. Why you feel the need to DELETE academic and rigorous exegesis of what is actually written.

So I gather, then, that you can't or won't contact Chad with regards to modifying the Terms & Rules and the Community Guidelines to be in accord with how you "rule the roost"?

To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress.​

- Proverbs 28:21 KJV

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:​

- Acts 10:34 KJV

The term means to differentiate unequally based upon individual persons, rather than applying rules across all equally.

For there is no respect of persons with God.​

- Romans 2:11 KJV

And I think that specific character of God is rather important for all believers to pursue.

But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.​

- James 2:9 KJV

 

[Christ4Ever]

John 5:34 "But the witness which I receive is not from man, but I say these things that you may be saved.

This is something you absolutely must believe in order to be saved.

@Christ4Ever

Well Nick, there you have it ... right there. You heard it. One cannot be saved without believing in the Trinity.

That is not my interpretation, but it is your perspective, which does not surprise me.

I am not seeking your agreement with my viewpoint, and based on your statement, I do not expect to receive it anytime soon if I were. lol

That is not my interpretation, but it is your perspective, which does not surprise me.

My perspective? No, Nick. That's a standard doctrine taught amongst most all Trinitarian churches. Yours might be the exception, but have you ever asked your pastor? You had said you never heard of this until recently. Well I have about 5 decades on you (for having heard this, and repeatedly).

Stop trying to make it about your belief vs what I have stated as mine. It's as simple as reading what you quoted to me, and me responding to it, without any underlying motive. Step by step...where in what you quoted from Brother BAC to me, was Trinity even mentioned? The only appropriate response is "it was not." Anything more will be perceived as an attempt to provoke a conflict, leading only to increased frustration.

If you would like to discuss this further, please feel free to send me a private message.

No need. You heard me. And you know what I mean. A PM would get nowhere. It's for you to look deep within yourself to understand why you attack certain people and not others. Why you feel the need to DELETE academic and rigorous exegesis of what is actually written.

So I gather, then, that you can't or won't contact Chad with regards to modifying the Terms & Rules and the Community Guidelines to be in accord with how you "rule the roost"?

To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress.- Proverbs 28:21 KJV

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:- Acts 10:34 KJV

The term means to differentiate unequally based upon individual persons, rather than applying rules across all equally.

For there is no respect of persons with God.- Romans 2:11 KJV

And I think that specific character of God is rather important for all believers to pursue.

But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.- James 2:9 KJV

This was not the appropriate venue for this discussion, which we have previously addressed. Out of respect for you, I extended the opportunity to further elaborate on what you perceive as an injustice. Naturally, you have a tendency to take offense at something that was not even intended for you in the first place. Therefore, as a gesture of goodwill, I offered to let you know that I have considered your words and would be willing to discuss it in an appropriate setting (PM).

Understand that responding to this portion of my message will result in its deletion without further consideration. You know the method by which I will respond.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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[KingJ]

The Diety of Jesus​

What interests me is the A-Z belief of one who does not believe in the trinity.

Surely they believe God is twisted, evil and unjust .....and are ok with that.

As stated here in post #114 - Trinity: Is Jesus really God?

I would love to hear a non-trinitarian post a rational and logical argument for God being just and good when He chose to send an unlucky Being who clearly must have drawn the shortest straw to die a cruel and torturous death for sins He did not commit.

Christianity only works if the trinity is real. God created us. God died for us. God loves us. God wants us with Him for all eternity.