The Doctrine of Predestination & the state im in.

[gdemoss]

Can we pretend for a moment that on page 1 of the Counseling section Someone called Seeker of Jesus Posted and asked for help sorting some issues he was concerned with?

As I reread the original post, I have a difficult time understanding why you cannot see God answering Seeker in the subsequent discussion. I pray that God will bring clarity to you. Even your very first post was attacking doctrine that you consider false yet you stand here accusing others?

In Jesus Name,

Gary

 

[brakelite]

As I reread the original post, I have a difficult time understanding why you cannot see God answering Seeker in the subsequent discussion. I pray that God will bring clarity to you. Even your very first post was attacking doctrine that you consider false yet you stand here accusing others?

In Jesus Name,

Gary

I do believe this might be appropriate to insert at this juncture....

1 Cor. 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

Gary, regardless of Mike's history, why do you argue with him before a seeker rather than humbly accept his rebuke right or wrong?

 

[gdemoss]

Gary, regardless of Mike's history, why do you argue with him before a seeker rather than humbly accept his rebuke right or wrong?

Excellent question. You base it off of scripture that speaks about going to law against one who has wronged you instead of taking wrong. Why not choose scripture that deals with reproving others?

When I replied back to Mike I was thinking of the scriptures that tells or shows me that I should address him directly. I don't do it for me as if I need to seek to be justified but of love not let my brother be openly hypocritical in his words to others as Peter was in his actions when Paul withstood him for his benefit. No where have I found that it says that in front of a 'seeker' I should act differently and if there is such a verse then I shall repent. Did Jesus do this which you speak of? Please help me see if I am blind to it as I don't want to be acting out of line in error to the truth through blindness. I have no problem repenting if I have wronged someone or am in error. As just a few minutes ago in chat I stood corrected and accepted it with all humility of mind from one who lashes out at me consistently, but when he was right, he was right.

If one sue me at law I will allow him to take whatever he sues me for. I shall not sue anyone else at law but take wrong instead. But does this really apply to this situation? I just can't make the leap.

Thank you for bringing up your concern.

Gary

 

[Brother Mike]

fellows.

As I reread the original post, I have a difficult time understanding why you cannot see God answering Seeker in the subsequent discussion

Gary, I have no issue with your message. It's you and Jari. You have how many threads going back and forth.

In the help section, address the OP issue, help them. Ignore what everyone else is doing. You have some threads already between you and Jari.

If you see some crazy advice, then please report it!!! It will be addressed by a Mod. Someone that needs help, should have the illusion that we all get along.

Some Christian forums only allow mods to post in certain help sections, so the get the "Right Doctrine" so to speak.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[gdemoss]

Gary, I have no issue with your message. It's you and Jari. You have how many threads going back and forth.

In the help section, address the OP issue, help them. Ignore what everyone else is doing. You have some threads already between you and Jari.

If you see some crazy advice, then please report it!!! It will be addressed by a Mod. Someone that needs help, should have the illusion that we all get along.

Some Christian forums only allow mods to post in certain help sections, so the get the "Right Doctrine" so to speak.

Jesus Is Lord.

Point well established. Lets work to keep the doctrine wars out of the counselling section. In the future, I will work to redirect any questions or accusations posed to me in the help section to a more appropriate place to be discussed. The major problem with doing this will be that counsel given is always going to be based upon doctrine believed as human behavior is major doctrine openly discussed within the scriptures as well as our ability to effect change within our lives that will aid us in having better outcomes. As for giving someone some kind of illusion that we are anything but exactly what we are, you might want to rethink this in light of the idea that our message is about truth and illusions are not truth.

In Jesus Name,

Gary

 

[Brother Mike]

right.

Thank you.................. I would not like to see all the counseling and help sections limited to just answers from certain people.

The major problem with doing this will be that counsel given is always going to be based upon doctrine believed.................

Fully understood, so since we don't judge some other persons servant the Lord able to make the stand, no need to be concerned with what others may post. Post what you know to be the truth, if it is truth, it will always seem more right to the person looking for advice, having the same WITNESS in them.

If it's crazy advice, just report it... all quite, we will fix it if it needs fixed.

Because of my Word of faith Doctrine, I have been blasted in the past with some advice, only to Receive a P.M about what I said changed everything. This has happened twice this week with P.M's (Not that I got blasted much this week.)

So, God is more than able to show the person the right thing, we don't need to get involved with the advice of others, nor are we in position to correct an equal member.

In the other sections of the forum, question away. This brings truth to obscure subject getting people to look at many different things.

My Illusion Humor has failed..............Sorry about that.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[Seeker Of Jesus]

Thanks to everyone for replying. I have alot of issues that I obviously need to work out. All I ask is that you please pray for me. Thanks and God Bless.

 

[Brighthouse]

SO MANY!!! Wonderful points made by so many!!Perhaps seeker this may also help you. I sure do understand the frame of mind you are in,just do not stay in!! Why you ask? Jesus does not look at any of us in the present state we are in.

Not in Body,nor in mind! We KNOW!! What we deserve!! What so many forget to do in Christ,is many just really do not know how to be thankful! Eph 1:15-17!! One of so many I could give you!Verse 17!! The Spirit of wisdom has many parts to this! One big part is always giving thanks unto our Lord,for choosing us, when we would never even choose ourselves!!( John 15:16)

The law of nature, is the body,sin,and lack! The law of the Spirit is what is unseen by man,even by our self. UNLESS!!! WE SEEK! Which I know you have done,you have asked as well,now all you are looking for is to find!( matt 7:7)

What you have been doing is part of how we grow. Is growing up not painful? What we took as a child, we learn to give as a man. And what we give as a man,is grace! Grace needed for all,as well as for ourselves! What this grace given, and received allows is to continue in any sin? May it never be! BUT!!!

GRACE!!!!! is like the east is from the west in Christ Jesus!( psalm 41:10-13 and!Psalm 103:8!!!!-17!! How is this so when we ourselves have such little for ourselves? Because Jesus does not deal what what is seen,but rather what is to become seen in every single one of us my brother!

The teaching is for us ourselves to do the very same to others! But this cannot be done until we learn how to first have grace for ourselves! THAT!!! is the Key that opens the door to LOVE! For how can one think of loving,when one has so little grace for oneself,or for others?

In Christ,this is what we learn,and we never stop learning this,until we cross into Glory where all things become fully known! Many look at the devil as one who only steals what can be seen! But he lives in the eternal as well! He robs us of what is unseen if we let him!

He does this by causing us to be so hard on ourselves,we cannot come unto Jesus having any grace! Only condemnation! This is Not the Lord brother! Have I ever been where you are at?? Oh dear!! My hand does not have enough fingers to count the number of times!

But when the Word says to seek,it says to seek until you find! Knock until the door opens!! ASK, and keep on asking until you are heard! But ask in faith! KNOWING!!!! You shall be heard,knowing the door will open!! KNOWING!!!! you will find!! That is the very realm Jesus lives in,and wants us all to as well.

If our mind is in a fog,how can we? We cannot until we step out of that fog into that which IS!!part of us!! GRACE!!! HOPE!!!! LOVE!!! For with these 3 ,faith enters with confidence!! And with confidence in Jesus,what can we not do in him??( luke 1:37)

Behold the key,now you open the door!!! What you will find dear brother,is that which we all should of remembered!! To be thankful,we must first learn how to be thankful,for in this, we can always stay thankful!! amen!! My prayers are sure with you,and so many have done such a wonderful job here!! I am thankful for you all!!