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The Harmful Teachings of Kenneth and Gloria Copeland

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The Harmful Teachings of Kenneth and Gloria Copeland

Introduction: So What's The Big Deal?

Kenneth and Gloria Copeland teach some wonderful things: We must have confidence in God's Word and obey it; we must resist the Devil; we should praise God, and boldly pray, and have faith; we should serve God and love others and give sacrificially. But the Copeland's also have some dangerous teachings that are not only unbiblical, but unhealthy and even harmful.

I have no desire to slander a well-meaning ministry. But I believe the Copeland's teaching is very flawed--so flawed that, if followed wholeheartedly, it can only lead to disappointment, frustration and disillusionment...or worse. That bothers me. The Bible is very clear that false teachings are harmful and should be exposed (in humility and love). But don't take my word for it; turn to the Scriptures. I will quote a lot of Scripture in this article. Please click on the links so you can test what I am saying. God's Word is more powerful than any words I can come up with.

The Copeland's are leaders in what is commonly referred to as the Word of Faith Movement or the “Prosperity Gospel”, which (falsely) teaches that God's will for believers is always prosperity, health, and victory—no matter what. When hard times hit (and they eventually do), what are we to make of them? Could it be that God has some sovereign reason for suffering, or that He uses it to teach us or to help us grow? Copeland says no! In Word Faith theology failure, sickness, and hardship are always attacks from Satan and are never God's will.

Copeland is wrong. The Bible clearly tells us that sometimes it is actually God's will that we suffer (1 Peter 3:17; 4:19; Hebrew 12:7).

Here are twelve reasons why I believe this teaching is very harmful, followed by a critique of three false promises of Copeland’s prosperity gospel:

What’s Wrong with the Prosperity Gospel?

1. Materialism keeps people out of heaven.

The Copeland’s tout the Gospel as a way to live "the good life” and claim wealth is a sign of spiritual maturity. Such a message appeals only to our sinful, selfish nature. True Christians are not to love the world or anything in the world (1 John 2:15). Jesus repeatedly warned that wealth can be dangerous to our souls (Luke 8:14; 12:15) and even keep us out of heaven (Matthew 19:21-24; Ephesians 5:5). Rather than indulging ourselves with material "blessings", the true Christian message is to deny ourselves, take up our cross, and follow Christ, for “you cannot serve both God and money” (Matthew 6:24).

2. Lack of true peace.

Word of Faith preachers teach that God is just waiting to bless us. So if the believer isn't experiencing “victory”, the problem must somehow be with the believer. This false teaching causes the believer to constantly strive harder, sacrifice harder, confess harder, and believe harder in order to achieve some mystical level of pure, unpolluted faith. The believer has no true peace until this “victory” is achieved.
In reality the Bible does NOT promise constant prosperity and victory (see below, False Promise #3: Victory and Success for Believers). Sometimes it is actually God's will that we suffer (1 Peter 3:17; 4:19; Hebrew 12:7). The apostle Paul was able to proudly rejoice in his sufferings (2 Corinthians 12:8-10)! The mark of the true Christian is not freedom from suffering but peace in the midst of suffering (2 Thess. 3:16; Phil. 4:6-7; John 14:27; 16:33; Romans 8:6; 15:13; Heb. 12:11).

Despite what the Copeland's say, pain and hardship need not shake our faith or rob us of our peace!

3. Unnecessary guilt and worry.

Copeland’s teaching makes God's blessing conditional on our ability to strive and perform. On their website Gloria Copeland writes: "So our protection depends on our walking in fellowship with God and obedience to His Word."6 and "Your security will be determined by how much time and attention you give to God and His Word in this life".7 This is not only unbiblical (our security is in Christ, not our efforts), it is the exact opposite of grace! The Copeland's also insist we must tame our tongues to secure God’s blessing,8 even though the Bible says that is impossible (James 3:8).
When suffering persists, Prosperity teaching actually creates doubt and worry (“What am I doing wrong?”; “When have I done enough?”) and destroys any real confidence in God’s sovereignty and mercy.

4. Unnecessary fear.

Anything negative, especially doubt, will supposedly cancel out your faith and short-circuit God's blessing in your life. As a result, when hardships come the believer puts pressure on himself to do the impossible: to never have a negative thought. The result is bondage to a constant, superstitious fear of anything negative.
Actually, faith grows stronger if we ask questions and wrestle honestly with our doubts. The Bereans were commended for their healthy skepticism (Acts 17:11). We are to search for wisdom as for hidden treasure (Prov. 2:3-5) and test everything (1 Thess. 5:21).
Fear of anything negative shows how weak and fragile a person's faith really is, and keeps it from growing stronger.

5. Emotional stress.

The Copeland’s teach that sadness, grief, anger, or frustration are signs of a lack of faith. According to Gloria Copeland, "If you are sad and depressed, that means you're not believing God”9 . As a result, believers may stuff their true feelings and/or live in denial of them. This can create a host of unhealthy emotional and relational problems.
God knows our hearts better than we do (Psalm 44:21; Romans 8:27). When we mourn He does not shame us--He comforts us (Matthew. 5:4). He is "The Father of compassion and the God of all comfort." (2 Cor. 1:3). He desires that we be open and honest with Him about our negative feelings (as David did in the Psalms) so that He can help us to deal with them and overcome them with His peace.

6. Avoidance of serious problems.

Likewise, some people may avoid properly dealing with their problems. Simply accepting life’s difficulties supposedly shows a lack of faith. So when problems arise some feel they must prove their faith by patiently waiting for the "victory" they have been promised. An extreme example of this would be parents who let their children die rather than take them to the doctor, because they are claiming God's promises to heal and taking them to the doctor would show a sinful "lack of faith". How tragic!

When problems arise, we are to face them prayerfully with responsibility and wisdom, and then trust God to work all things out for His good (Romans 8:28).

7. A false view of God.

In Prosperity teaching, you must never pray "...if it be Your will". To consider the possibility of a "no" answer from God supposedly shows a lack of faith (even though both Jesus and Paul did so--Luke 22:42; Acts 18:21; also James 4:13-15). Apparently Copeland's God is a fickle being who is swayed into holding back blessing simply by praying one wrong phrase ("if it be Your will"). Copeland also allegedly believes God is not all-powerful: "God cannot do anything for you apart or separate from faith".10 Such a God is not the true God!

8. Raising man and lowering God.

Copeland says believers have the same authority as God: "You have obtained an inheritance, and in that inheritance you have been given all authority."11 He also says our future is in our own hands: "With [God's] truth we can set our course...for a life full of success";12 “You are the prophet of your own life...Your words in your life decide your future”.13 Apparently it is ultimately up to us (not God) to decide what is good for us and what blessings we should have.

Copeland's God is also weakened by humans because he cannot truly bless us without our believing prayers and confession. So the real power is in our ability to "release the power of faith". We must have "faith in our faith" 14.

The roles are reversed--in a sense we become the masters and God becomes the servant. Copeland allegedly wrote, “As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent because it is His Word”.15 This is a backward, man-centered theology and is outright blasphemy. God is the King, we are but humble servants (Luke 17:10). Copeland's emphasis is (wrongly) on our ability to drum up enough faith, when instead the emphasis should be on Christ to lead us, provide for us, and empower us to serve Him as He sees fit.

9. A distorted prayer life.

Copeland teaches that just as there are laws of physics that control the power of electricity, there are also spiritual laws that control the power of faith. The secret to the the victorious Christian life is learning how to master these supposed "faith laws" through speaking and believing God's promises. As a result prayer becomes a constant mantra of "taking authority" and "rebuking Satan" and "speaking faith" and "rebuking doubt"--none of which is a true interaction with God. Prayer sadly gets twisted into a magical, manipulative formula rather than a loving, trusting relationship with Jesus.

10. A false road to maturity.

For Copeland, spiritual maturity equals prosperity. The Bible says the opposite: spiritual maturity comes by persevering through trials (James 1:2-4). Jesus warned strongly against prosperity. Rather than strengthening our faith, wealth can actually choke it out (Luke 8:14), pull us away from God (Matt. 6:24) and even keep us out of heaven (Matt. 19:21-24; Eph. 5:5). "You cannot serve both God and money" (Matt. 6:24).

Instead of following after prosperity, we grow in maturity as we "put to death the desires of the flesh" (which includes greed--Col. 3:5) and take up our cross and follow Christ.

11. It promotes laziness and irresponsibility.

If simply claiming God's promises entitles us to a life of victory, health, and wealth, then why bother with hard work, education, discipline, exercise, etc.? To the poor and uneducated his teachings may have the same appeal as the phony get-rich-quick philosophy promoted by lotteries, casinos, and other hucksters.

12. It is a trap that leads to disillusionment.

Tragedy and suffering strike everyone sooner or later. When they do, no amount of believing or giving tithes or rebuking the devil can get us out of them. Believers either become trapped in a constant cycle of striving and sacrificing until things improve, or they become bitter and disillusioned and leave Word of Faith teaching (and perhaps Christianity) altogether. Either way, the believer is kept from resting in the true inner peace and comfort that Christ promises in the midst of life’s tragedies.

GETTING SOME BALANCE

Copeland repeatedly bends Scripture to fit his beliefs rather than bending his beliefs to fit Scripture. Let me take three of Copeland's biggest false promises and balance them with Scriptures that he usually (and conveniently) ignores:

False Promise #1: Financial Prosperity for Believers

The Copeland's insist that true faith will bring the believer loads of money, despite a long list of Scriptures that teach otherwise. On their website Gloria Copeland writes:
"God’s will concerning financial prosperity and abundance is clearly revealed in the Scriptures". 16
But what did Jesus teach about prosperity and abundance? While He never condemned money outright, He did warn us not to store up earthly treasure (Matt. 6:19) and preached that those who serve God must despise money (Matthew 6:24; Luke 16:15) because their hearts will be wherever their treasure is (Matt. 6:21). He said giving is better than receiving (Acts 20:35). He warned that wealth is deceitful and can choke out our faith (Matt. 13:5,22; Luke 8:14), and to be on guard against self-indulgence and greed in all its forms (Matthew 23:25; Mark 7:21-23; Luke 12:15). He preached woe to the wealthy (Luke 6:24) and said it is almost impossible for the rich to enter heaven (Matt. 19:21-24). Jesus commands all his followers to lay down their lives in self-denial (Matt. 16:24) and told a wealthy would-be disciple to sell all his possessions (Matt. 19:21-24). Jesus himself did not even have a bed to sleep on (Matt. 8:20).

Yet Kenneth and Gloria Copeland teach that if we shun wealth we are sinning against God:
"The man who holds to poverty rejects the establishment of the covenant. The man who holds to the covenant rejects poverty. Faith in the covenant pleases God. Without faith, it is impossible to please Him." 17
and (allegedly),
“Poverty is an evil spirit” 18 .
What about the Apostles--did they put a lot of emphasis on financial prosperity? Paul once described himself as "poor" and "having nothing" (2 Cor. 6:10). He wrote that a Christian must flee the desire to get rich (1 Tim. 6:10-11), because greed is idolatry (Eph. 5:5; Col. 3:5). We must purge every hint of greed from our lives (Eph. 5:3) and be content with whatever little we have (Heb. 13:5; 1 Tim. 6:6-8). The desire to get rich is a trap that brings ruin, destruction, and all kinds of evil (1 Tim. 6:9-11). We are to have nothing to do with greedy people (Eph. 5:5-7). A true Christian leader must not be a lover of money (1 Tim. 3:2-3), and a greedy teacher may exploit his flock (2 Peter 2:3). Those who think godliness leads to financial gain have been corrupted (1 Tim. 6:5). A Christian must not focus his mind on earthly things (Col. 3:2) or love anything in the world (1 John 2:15-16). He must not pray for money to spend on pleasure (James 4:3), but rather be content with whatever little he has (Heb. 13:5; 1 Tim. 6:6-8). Being poor is a high position while being rich is a low position (James 1:9-10).

Nevertheless, the Copeland's insist:
"Prosperity is a major requirement in the establishment of God’s will," and "God’s will for His people today is abundance" 19.
This is easy for them to say, because the Copeland's themselves don't really live by faith at all. Instead they live lavishly off the donations of poor, struggling Christians who are "sowing" what little they have for the promise of "reaping a hundredfold blessing"20 . If the Copeland’s really believe giving reaps such an increase, shouldn’t they be giving away their own wealth? By asking for donations don’t they show a lack of faith?

False Promise #2: Health and Healing for Believers

On their website Gloria Copeland writes:

"[God's Word is] so powerful it can cure every sickness and disease known to man. It has no dangerous side effects. It is safe even in massive doses. And when taken daily according to directions, it can prevent illness altogether and keep you in vibrant health."21

Is this incredible claim really true? If so, are things like wearing glasses, using a wheelchair, and having surgery unnecessary or even sinful?

While God can and does heal, the Bible is clear that it is not His will in every situation. Paul suffered a "thorn in his flesh" which God refused to remove in order to keep Paul humble....and rather than chide himself for lack of faith, Paul rejoiced! (2 Cor. 12:7-10). God used an illness of Paul’s to bring the gospel to the Galatians (Gal. 4:13), and Paul probably suffered from poor eyesight (Gal. 6:11). Timothy was sick frequently (1 Tim. 5:23), but rather than telling Timothy to "claim a healing" or "rebuke the devil", Paul simply instructs him to add wine to his diet (wine was used as a form of medicine). Paul also left a man named Trophimus sick in Miletus, without healing him (2 Tim. 4:20).

Pastor and author John MacArthur lists the three primary reasons why Christians get sick:

Some sicknesses are from God. "Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (Exodus 4:11). God made the disabled and infirm. Babies are born every day with defects. Many children grow up with congenital deformities. Some people have illnesses that last for years. While it is unexplainable according to our human logic, it is all part of God's sovereign, loving plan.

Some sicknesses are from Satan. (Luke 13:11-13). God may allow Satan to inflict illness for His own sovereign reasons. The classic example is Job (Job chapter 1).

Some sickness is God's chastisement for sin. (Numbers 12; Deut. 28:20-22; 2 Kings 5). "Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I keep Thy word" (Ps. 119:67)22

Other examples include God tormenting the Egyptians with skin boils (Ex. 9:8-12), inflicting King Jeroboam with leprosy (2 Kings 15:5), and striking Saul with blindness (Acts 9:1-19).

The Bible also tells us plainly that God disciplines the Church through sickness, hardship, and even death (1 Cor. 11:28-30; Heb. 12:7; Acts 5:1-11) and that we should joyfully accept trials "of many kinds" because God uses them to make us mature (James 1:2-4; Psalm 119:71,75). Clearly God allows and even causes sickness for His own sovereign purposes.

Yet Kenneth Copeland allegedly writes:
"Tradition has taught that God uses sickness, trials and tribulation to teach us. This idea, however, is not based on the Word of God. God HAS NEVER used sickness to discipline His children and keep them in line. Sickness is of the devil, and God doesn't need the devil to straighten us out!" 23
and on his website:
"God never inflicted anyone with disease or anything listed under the curse. SATAN WAS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE ONE WHO KILLS,
STEALS, AND DESTROYS (see John 10:10)." 24
Copeland is wrong, and he is on dangerous ground because He is taking the work of God and attributing it to Satan. That is blasphemy!

False Promise #3: Victory and Success for Believers

On their website Gloria Copeland writes,
"God's prosperity isn't just financial blessings. It also includes healing, protection, favor, wisdom, success, well-being and every good thing you could possibly need—all the good things Jesus paid for you to have." 25
and
"It just boils down to this: We have to live by faith and trust in God. In Him we have already been delivered from the whole curse. We're protected from danger, sickness, lack or any other bad thing that's under the curse. God promised us in Psalm 91, 'I will rescue those who love me. I will protect those who trust in my name' (verse 14, New Living Translation)." 26
Despite what Copeland says, the Bible is very clear that following Christ does not lead to an easier life, but rather to an increase in hardship.

Jesus said that we are actually blessed not through victory and success but through mourning, persecution, insults, poverty, hunger, weeping, hatred and rejection (Matt. 5:3-12; Luke 6:20-23; John 15:18-20). He said that those who follow Him may see their family members become their enemies (Matt. 10:34-36; Luke 14:25-26), and that the world would hate them (Matthew 10:22; John 15:18). All who follow Jesus must give up everything (Luke 14:33) and deny themselves and take up a cross (Matt. 16:24-25; Mark 8:34-35; Luke 9:23), which means embracing an instrument of torture and death.

Throughout the book of Acts the disciples were persecuted, hauled into courts, threatened, imprisoned, beaten, flogged, stoned to death and put to the sword. They faced riots and mobs. False witnesses were brought against them. They were scattered from their homes (Acts 8:1) and some believers even had their property confiscated (Heb. 10:34).

At one point Paul was imprisoned for two years (Acts 24:27). According to 1 Cor. 4:9-13, he and his companions suffered hunger and thirst, their clothing was reduced to rags, they were brutally treated, they were homeless, cursed, persecuted, slandered, and they compared themselves to scum and refuse. They was "hard-pressed", "perplexed", "persecuted", "struck down", and "always given over to death" (2 Cor. 4:8-11). They faced troubles, hardships, distresses, beatings, imprisonments, riots, hard work, sleepless nights, hunger, dishonor, bad report, beatings, sorrow, and poverty. (2 Cor. 6:4-10). Paul himself was chained and imprisoned frequently, flogged five times, beaten with rods three times, stoned once, shipwrecked three times, and was constantly on the move from danger. Cold and naked, he sometimes went without food, water or sleep. (2 Cor. 11:23-27) At one point in his ministry everyone deserted him (2 Tim. 4:16), and at another time the pressure and despair was so great that he no longer wanted to live (2 Cor. 1:8-9).

Yet Copeland writes:
"The only suffering we encounter in sharing His victory is spiritual. That's what the Word is talking about when it says we are to be partakers of Christ's suffering. In other words, the only suffering for a believer is the spiritual discomfort brought by resisting the pressures of the flesh, not a physical or mental suffering. Jesus has already borne for us all the suffering in the natural and mental realms. . .That's why it's to God's glory when we are healed or delivered physically and mentally, for we only have to fight in the spirit realm."27
Apparently Paul just never learned how speak to victory into his life. Are we to assume Copeland is a stronger man of faith than Paul was?

Hardly. Paul understood the essential Christian doctrine of self-denial. He was willing to take up his cross, put to death his sinful nature, and face persecution and death daily as a bondslave of Christ and for the benefit of others. Yet this crucial Christian concept is strangely absent in Copeland's prosperity teaching.

Hebrews 11:35-39 describes men of God who were tortured, jeered at, flogged, chained, imprisoned, stoned, sawed in two, and put to death by the sword. They wore sheepskins and goatskins and wandered the deserts and mountains, living in caves and holes in the ground. The were destitute, persecuted, and mistreated. The Copelands would say these were people of weak faith, but verse 39 says they were commended for their faith!

The Blessings of Suffering, Sickness, and Hardship

Suffering can be a blessing (Matt. 5:3-12; Luke 6:20-23; 1 Pet. 3:14; 4:14). Christians should not be surprised at suffering (1 Peter 4:12; 1 John 3:13; 1 Thess. 3:3-4; Acts 14:22; 2 Tim. 3:12; 1 Thess. 3:4) but embrace it joyfully (James 1:2-4; 1 Peter 4:13). Godliness and suffering go hand in hand (2 Tim. 3:12). Sometimes suffering is actually God's will (1 Peter 3:17; 4:19; Hebrew 12:7) and He uses it to bring about many positive results, such as:

A greater dependance on God (2 Cor. 1:9; 12:7-10)
Joy (Matt. 5:10-12; Luke 6:22-23; Acts 5:41; Rom. 5:3-4; 2 Cor. 12:9-10; Col. 1:24; 1 Thess. 1:6; 1 Peter 4:13; Heb. 10:34; James 1:2-4)
Patience (2 Cor. 1:6; James 5:10; Rev. 1:9)
Courage (Matt. 10:28; Phil. 1:28; 1 Thess. 2:2; Rev. 2:10)
Freedom from Shame (2 Tim. 1:8,12; 1 Peter 4:16)
Perseverance/Endurance (Rom. 5:3; 1 Cor. 4:12; 1 Thess. 1:3; 2 Tim. 2:3; 2 Tim. 4:5; Heb. 10:32,36; 12:7; James 1:2-4,12; 1 Peter 4:19; Rev. 1:9, 2:3,10,13)
Character (Rom. 5:3-4)
Hope(Rom. 5:3-4)
A harvest of righteousness and peace (Heb. 12:11)
Closeness to Jesus and a longing for heaven (Rom. 8:17; Phil. 3:10; Heb. 11:26,35; 12:2-3; 13:13; 1 Peter 4:1; Rev. 21:4)
Thankfulness (1 Thess. 5:18)
Blessing and Kindness (1 Cor. 4:12-13)
Gentleness and Respect (1 Peter 3:14-17)
Opportunities to show forgiveness to others (Matt. 5:39-45; 2 Tim. 4:16)
Blessings and Comfort for others (1 Cor. 12:25-26; 2 Cor. 1:3-7; 8:2-4; Eph. 3:13; Phil. 1:14; Col. 1:24; 1 Thess. 3:2-4; 2 Tim. 2:8-10; Heb. 13:3)

Rather than being a sign of "lack of faith", suffering can be one of the greatest tools God uses for strengthening our faith, and a sign that we are indeed living according to His will!

Yet on his website Kenneth Copeland writes:
"Over the years, this unscriptural doctrine of suffering for God by submitting to such works of the devil as sickness, lack and oppression has become a veritable sacred cow. But it's time we knocked that cow in the head." 28
One has to wonder if Copeland is even reading the same Bible as the rest of us.

Blessed by God?

Does God desire to bless us? Absolutely!!! But the greatest blessings of God are not the things this world admires, for “what is highly esteemed among men is detestable in God’s sight” (Luke 16:15).

We are blessed through suffering and persecution (Matt. 5:10-12; 1 Pet. 3:14; 4:14). We are blessed through being meek and pure in heart, through showing mercy and making peace (Matt. 5:1-10). We are blessed through faithful devotion to Christ (Matt. 11:6) and in understanding who Christ really is (Matt. 16:17). We are blessed by giving to others (Acts 20:35) and by helping the hungry, lonely, naked, sick, imprisoned, poor, crippled, lame and blind (Matt. 25:34-36; Luke 14:13-14). We are blessed by obeying the word of God (Luke 11:28; John 13:17; James 1:25) and by persevering through trials (James 1:12; 5:11). We are blessed by believing in Christ (John 20:29) and through repentance (Acts 3:26). We are blessed through the forgiveness Christ purchased for us on the cross (Rom. 4:6-8) and the hope of eternal life (Titus 2:13; Rev. 20:6)

Conclusion

There are good reasons why the Bible commands us to "test everything" and "preserve sound doctrine", and warns us repeatedly about false teachers. While the Copeland’s have some good things to say, we must remember that Satan does not feed us poison outright— he hides it in the meat.

Whether they mean to or not, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland mislead people with false promises. Their supposed "life of victory" ultimately breeds guilt, fear, confusion, worry, disillusionment, and lack of true peace.

They keep people from dealing properly with the struggles of life. They present a false view of God, give man control of his own destiny, and attribute some of God's work to Satan. They turn prayer into manipulation. They lead people to put their faith in the wrong thing and then prevent that faith from truly growing stronger.

They preach a gospel of materialism instead of self-denial, and make it harder for people to learn what God wants to teach them through suffering. Their theology is sloppy and they are misleading many for their own financial gain.

For all of this the Copeland's must be held accountable. God holds teachers and prophets to very high standards (James 3:1; Deut. 18:20), and so should we.

Written by Cedric Hohnstadt, August 2004
 
Chad, thank you. We don't want to slander anyone, but, we want to look at what they teach. We have to exam what they are teaching. We have to look at the fruit in their lives. I think your article is exhaustive and informative. It's wonderful to have a Father Who is so Awesome, He knows our needs and meets them. Our lives here are to grow and become like Jesus; like Him! It's not something that I ever wanted to be a part of my Christian experience and rebelled when I read it. That was not the God that I wanted!!! And I decided to handle life without Him, cause if that is what He wanted for me, no way!!! I was quiet angry with Him for what had transpired in my life, and I held Him accountable for satan's work. And, the prosperity gospel did not help. Who is the God of the Bible? What are His plans for us? Well, after a long time of crashing into walls, falling off cliffs, drowning in my own mistakes, He welcomed me back. We need to know Him! He says that if we don't know Him, and we show up at His house, He is going to tell us that we can't come in, He don't know us. I want to know Him. Keep sharing the Truth!!!
 
I used to watch 'God TV' I thought for many months it was good, that is were I also watched Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, there was always something I couldnt take to their ministry, couldnt quite put my finger on it at the first, but then realized it is all you say, its another 'Prosperity' teaching gospel, I soon turned of the God Channel, I wouldnt watch any of it now.

The way they can hook you to give money and you will prosper, and how your letter will go and be prayed over, its just sucking people in, and millions are.

1 John 4 v1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
 
Kenneth Copeland, and Gloria what oh my goodness!
Praise God for his Spirit for steering me clear of them!
 
Good analysis Chad as there are many in the prosperity ministry that place an emphasis on material blessings and not on God's soverenity.
 
I, too, bought into the prosperity gospel when I first came to Christ. I was lured by the folksy preaching styles of Kennedth Hagin and his pupil, Kenneth Copeland. But, as I grew spiritually, the Lord led me to a church that set me straight. They taught me that God MAY will me to have lots of money, but it would be so that I could bless others with it, not hoard it and use it for my pleasure. I pray that we not forget Jim & Tammy Bakker and what happened to their family and to their HeritageUSA scheme. The whole thing began to collapse when word got out that he was having an affair with a female staff member. He went to prison and Tammy dumped him quickly.

"For the love of money is the root of many evils.........................." (1 Tim 6:10 NIV)

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Well Done Chad!

And the truth shall set us free!! AMEN!! good research!! I met both of them long ago,at the start I to fell prey to Money through Faith.lol what is true, is what ever you NEED in Christ give that!! and you shall recieve back. some 50 and 100 fold. His idea of making people feel guilty because they have not given enough to his ministry,and the fact that the Lord will pay us back with interst, sounds great,but in reality our treasure is not made from the world! rather this is our treasure! Matt 6:19-21.Again thanks Chad!! 2 Peter chapter 2 gives us a peak at what is to come. Sad to say it is already here.Peace be with you all in Christ!
 
I agree with Chad's research here,

They are wonderful sincere children of God too, but as far as the money racket goes, sincerely wrong.

Why would we even want to bother spending SO MUCH energy believing just for Money, its like money would just Constantly be filling our thoughts all the time, 24/7.....Jesus and love and mercy and forgiveness and not taking offence so easily......these are what should be filling our thoughts 24/7.....

I have copied your paragraph about the different places our TRUE Blessings come from along with each scripture in full and will be meditating on that ALOT more often.

Thanks and God bless us with HIS TRUTH and HIS WISDOM in Jesus name.....still love you though Gloria and Kenneth.
 
I found this forum a couple days ago, thought I would play with it a bit, read and learn.

I think the main thing with any Television ministry or even most churches is there will be a element of bad and good in all. I think as in heaven as is on earth there is a constant battle of good and not so good.

So
I think you simply have to ask God for wisdom and common sense and use it.

Does this mean to condemn all T.V. ministry or fully accept it, no just keep both eyes wide open.

Personally I am not wealthy nor have any desire to be or have a whole lot, does not take much to keep me happy, so I am very mistrustful of giving money to any large organization to be in some ways misused.
To me misuse is as simple as a church printing out little flyers to be handed out to each member as they enter the door on Sunday, when this same amount of money for materials and office supplies could be used to buy food, or a blanket or two for some family that had recently lost their home to a house fire.

So I do not give money to T.V. ministry or any large church, but I will from time to time just help someone, and not just hand them money, but hand them food, or home goods, or maybe personally pay the rent for a month. This way I know some good is done, and the money will not go for a fancy gold ring or some other nonsense.

So there is a use and a good for the T.V. ministry as those who do become aware of god and are saved, will over time learn many things and how to sort it all out.

After all Christ saved us by his blood, that is his simple message and sin is forgiven, so I for one just accept this and daily try to do right, never harm anyone intentionally and not worry about if they are right or wrong, some of these things are way beyond my understanding, so I just let God guide me and mostly just ignore silly things. God will sort that all out all by himself. I learned to not get caught up in it, not worry about it and not try to understand it, just to say Hi to god each day and leave it at that.

Kit
 
I think as in heaven as is on earth there is a constant battle of good and not so good.

Welcome to TalkJesus, Kit. Question: In Luke 10:18, Jesus says, "I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning." You seem to be saying that there is a battle between good and evil in heaven today. How can that be? Also, why do you water down evil by substituting the term "not so good"? Why not call it what is is?

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
 
Welcome to TalkJesus, Kit. Question: In Luke 10:18, Jesus says, "I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning." You seem to be saying that there is a battle between good and evil in heaven today. How can that be? Also, why do you water down evil by substituting the term "not so good"? Why not call it what is is?

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
Hi Chad:

Can we discuss these things? I do not want to get kicked off the first day.

I like all men will use a wrong choice of words and convey the wrong thing try as I might not to. I agree EVIL is EVIL, I was feeling my way around a bit, watering it down being nice. Did not want my sometimes onery nature to show up.

I suppose the real thing I was trying to say and what God seems to have planted in my mind this morning is yes there is a lot of evil in T.V. ministry and on the earth, but a lot of good too. It is up to me to not get pulled in by the evil, to accept the good and stay away from the rest.

In other words if the Copelands were to come to breakfast I would greet them, hand them a cup of coffee and be nice. I would appreciate the good they have done, but not be swayed by the things of Satan that do exist on this world. There has always been a struggle in heaven and now on earth . Seems there has to be evil for good to overcome it or something like that, never fully understood that, so I just accept it.
So I would accept the Copelands into my home, be nice to them, and let God sort out the rest. Satan makes mistakes too, as can be in evidence with some of the T.V. ministries that have went too far and fallen. They(the ministry) gets to following evil more and more and finally right does win over wrong.

So to dwell on it, hash it, dice it and shake it up, for me it seems will sometimes make me mad at them, and cause me to do something improper or wrong myself, so I have learned to just accept the good, no matter what the intent was , just the result and leave the Evil to God and his way, and stay away from it myself.

Make any sense??

Kit
 
News Flash Kenneth and Gloria are not the only ones.
read this next sentence, you can google it to verify.

"Some members of Harlem's Riverside Church are upset that their new pastor, the Rev. Brad Braxton, is being paid more than $600000 in annual .."
Should we pray for Him?
Next fact up,
I know one
pastor who gets $300,000, whole package
the 2nd $200,000 +
3 and 4 $150,00+
(Being in the same church)
Etc etc(I am being very conservative on these figures)
Should we pray for them?
I know of a missionary, 40 years, who came back and spoke with those pastors in a meeting in which he, and a wife, was so grateful to receive from the government $700 dollars a month for the rest of his life. I myself left the room knowing full well how much those pastors were receiving in disgust. My heart went out to the missionary.
Should we pray for them?

Is gluttony in the church? You bet. Does God see everything? YES, His eyes roam to and from!
Are we to trust God? Yes.
 
Such figures....such shame....
but as you say God sees all, nothing evades Him.

Greed more than need for sure.
 
true prosperity is in the heart. being rich tward God. Luke 12:15 says and He said unto them take heed and beware of covetousness, for a mans life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

it was Gods will to put a thorn in the side.

also they believe something along the line of by faith you bring down from heaven power and speak stuff into exsistance. which is basicly witchcraft. drawing "energy" from a spirit and making stuff happen thru "magic"
there is also a scripture in the Old testament where God ASKS commandest me, thou?
for some reason the faith people say the question mark isnt there and it is God commanding us to command him. again witchcraft. deception.

i know this because i used to go to a faith doctorine church.
beware of such teaching. the bible says if a man preach another gospel let them be accursed.

and im so glad to see this post you made Chad. its such a dark world and its nice to see this kinda thing on the internet. thank you.

edit part: i said they above. idk if the copelands believe what i put about commanding God and by faith speaking it into exsistance, but i know some do and teach such.
 
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I liked your article Chad, and don't agree with the copelands proserity gospel, but what about the verses that do speak about prosperity like
Psalm25:12-14,Malachi 3:10-11, Matthew6:31-34.
Also soloman was very rich. Your article made it seem like having money is a sin and that the rich will never enter into heaven, the bible doensn't say that, the bible says it's hard for the rich to enter into heaven, not impossible, the bible also says that it is loving money that is sinful, not having it.
I have a nice life we're not poor, but were not wealthy either, we're not even comfortably off, but we manage and our kids don't go without, i'm healthy, i'm content, and as i live in England i don't get persecuted for my faith either, unlike a lot of christians in the so called persecuted church, but after reading your article i feel guilty for the little we do have. I feel guilty about the fact that we can afford a mortgage and to run 2 cars, ok the house is a 3 bedroom ex council house and my car is 13 years old and my husbands about 10 years old. I have always felt that Gods through his grace and mercy have given us what we have, now i feel guilty.
As God has blessed me and given me so much, i do try and give back as much as i can.
 
False teachers more wide spread than most believe

I am new to the forum also and this is my first post. I agree with what Chad posted concerning the Copelands and with most of the comments that others have posted. However, I would go further and state that false teaching is rampant throughout mainstream Christianity - some it is taught with sincere hearts and some of it is self serving. But regardless of the motive, it is still false teaching and is doing harm to many people who have been drawn to Christ. I have attended many denominational churches for over 30 years and have found that none of them can even scripturally explain the Gospel of Christ. This is also true of the Copelands. Thanks Chad, for having the courage to point out these false teachers as we are commanded by scripture to do.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Joe in Arkansas
 
I am new to the forum also and this is my first post. I agree with what Chad posted concerning the Copelands and with most of the comments that others have posted. However, I would go further and state that false teaching is rampant throughout mainstream Christianity - some it is taught with sincere hearts and some of it is self serving. But regardless of the motive, it is still false teaching and is doing harm to many people who have been drawn to Christ. I have attended many denominational churches for over 30 years and have found that none of them can even scripturally explain the Gospel of Christ. This is also true of the Copelands. Thanks Chad, for having the courage to point out these false teachers as we are commanded by scripture to do.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Joe in Arkansas

I agree Joe, tis good to talk and reason about such things, good post.
 
just a thought

my pastor tells us to eat the meat and spit out the bones. That means some people may say things that we disagree with, we still take in the good things
 
my pastor tells us to eat the meat and spit out the bones. That means some people may say things that we disagree with, we still take in the good things

Did your pastor also tell you Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.?

What does beware mean?
eat the meat and spit out the chicken bones?
I wish somebody would tell me!
 
my pastor tells us to eat the meat and spit out the bones. That means some people may say things that we disagree with, we still take in the good things

That is so right, PM!

I love the Copelands, but just like any preacher that I see on TV, I trust God to show me what I need to spit out. When there is predominant error, I don't even give that preacher a second look. However, when it comes to the Copelands, there is so much deep truth in what the Lord has shown them. They walk with God and their fruit shows!
 
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