"The Jesus the Preachers Don't Want us to Know"

[Samson2020]

Proverbs 8:22-23 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works; before his deeds of old; I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the
world came to be."
24-26 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills I was given birth, before he made the world of its fields or any of the dust of the earth.
27-29 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, when he established the clouds above and fixed securely
the fountains of the deep, when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.

30-31 Then I was constantly at his side, I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.

32- Now then, my children, listen to me; blessed are those who keep my ways.
33- Listen to my instruction and be wise; do not disregard it.
34-Blessed are those who listen to me, watching daily at my doors, waiting daily at my doorway.
35 For those WHO FIND ME FIND LIFE and RECEIVE FAVOR FROM THE LORD.
36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves; all who hate me love death.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the true and faithful witness, the beginning of the creation of God.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Dear Brother Paul,

I have to disagree with you regarding Satan being the God of this world. He wants to be and has been given a long leash to confuse and pull man away from the notion of God and a life after death. He is the father of lies and evil doing, miserable and wants man to be miserable too. However, He knows who Christ is and who his father is, being a brother to Christ and us all. He can't override them and one day he will be cast out with those who follow him. God is still in control and only He knows when Christ shall be sent again, this time in Glory with His servants to rule on Earth and continue the last part of God's plan, to have the faithful endowed and sealed in families.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (NKJV)
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (NJB)
3 If our gospel seems to be veiled at all, it is so to those who are on the way to destruction,
4 the unbelievers whose minds have been blinded by the god of this world, so that they cannot see shining the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Related scripture

John 12:31 (NKJV)
31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

Ephesians 2:1-3 (NKJV)
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

 

[Samson2020]

Proverbs 8:22-23 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works; before his deeds of old; I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the
world came to be."
24-26 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills I was given birth, before he made the world of its fields or any of the dust of the earth.
27-29 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, when he established the clouds above and fixed securely
the fountains of the deep, when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.

30-31 Then I was constantly at his side, I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.

32- Now then, my children, listen to me; blessed are those who keep my ways.
33- Listen to my instruction and be wise; do not disregard it.
34-Blessed are those who listen to me, watching daily at my doors, waiting daily at my doorway.
35 For those WHO FIND ME FIND LIFE and RECEIVE FAVOR FROM THE LORD.
36 But those who fail to find me harm themselves; all who hate me love death.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the true and faithful witness, the beginning of the creation of God.

I'm surprised no one caught or commented on this post as the verses quoted from Proverbs are about wisdom.
While the last verse are the words of Jesus in the Revelation speaking of himself.

Both claim to be the beginning of the creation of God. How can 2 different things/entities be the beginning unless they are one and the same?
We know that Jesus as a boy GREW IN WISDOM, so he cannot be the beginning of wisdom, but yet he can be the beginning of the New Creatures of God,
which by Gods definition Jesus BECAME A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT declared to be a God by his Father after he learned obedience.

Please, if you have any thoughts share them.

 

[Brother Paul]

I'm surprised no one caught or commented on this post as the verses quoted from Proverbs are about wisdom.
While the last verse are the words of Jesus in the Revelation speaking of himself.

Both claim to be the beginning of the creation of God. How can 2 different things/entities be the beginning unless they are one and the same?
We know that Jesus as a boy GREW IN WISDOM, so he cannot be the beginning of wisdom, but yet he can be the beginning of the New Creatures of God,
which by Gods definition Jesus BECAME A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT declared to be a God by his Father after he learned obedience.

Please, if you have any thoughts share them.

Hebrews 1 tells us about YHVH as the Son/word, the creator King of all the angels then Hebrews 2 speaks of the man Jesus who is a little lower than the angels . YHwH became incarnate IN Jesus.

 

[Rev Autrey]

Dear Rev.

You have, I think, taken something I said in error. I have not said that God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are one, but that Catholicism came up with that idea and many churches have followed that. God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are three separate and individual beings, one in purpose.

Some scriptures are confusing, possibly through mistranslation or by design. Never the less, Christ was the creator of the world under direction of the Father. So whilst Christ is God, a point that I have actually never denied, He is not Elohim, His Father. As Christ was created in spirit, as we all were, initially, the Father would be above the Son. So there really isn't any contradiction there. I worship Christ, I accept that He atoned for my Sins, I follow and serve Him, I preach Christ but accept that God, who begot Christ, is ultimately the author of and creator of all of us before the world was. Hence Christ always referred and gave credit to the Father who sent him. That does not detract from the fact that He is God. Remember, Elohim, the head of the Gods. All will be revealed at some point in the not too distant future.

I know that Jesus loves me. I have felt His presence on several occasions. I know that He loves you too.

Dear Mark:

Again, I want you to know that Jesus loves you very much, and that he truly wants you to know who he is so you can have fellowship with him, especially in these difficult times that we are in.

See, if you know anything at all about the essence of God, you know that in his spirit essence he is said to be present everywhere and in all places at the same time, or omnipresent. Said otherwise, there is no outside of God; his presence is continuous and goes on to infinity and beyond. But in the New Testament Jesus Claims this attribute for himself:

Ephesians 1:23 NLT: "And the church is his body; it is made full and complete by Christ, who fills all things everywhere with himself."

Ephesians 4:10 NLT: "And the same one who descended is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens, so that he might fill the entire universe with himself."

He also claims this attribute for himself in the Psalms and the Prophets. (Luke 24:44):

Jeremiah 23:23-24: "'Am I a God near at hand,' says the Lord, ‘and not a God afar off? Can anyone hide himself in secret places, so I shall not see him?' . . . ‘do I not fill heaven and earth?' says the Lord?"

Psalm 139:7-12: "Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
If I take the wings of the dawn,
If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea. …"

This means that if Jesus is everywhere present and fill everything there is and beyond, there is no room for the other being you call God to exist. If he did exist, he would have to exist within Jesus' everywhere presence, and would be just a created entity like us. As it says Acts 17:27-28: "God (Jesus) did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and have our being."

Let's say it like this: If there were another being in the universe called God, of necessity, the spirit essence of Jesus would encompass him, and all others like him; making him of no consequence. Then to still say that he is God nonsense.

Here is a good saying to live by: Any God other than Jesus is a false God!

And too: Jesus says that he has all power (Matthew 28:18). "And when they saw him, they worshipped him (as God): but some doubted. And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." This has to be so because Jesus cannot lie. So again, what power is left for the other two Gods. None. …

As you can see then, these verses proving that Jesus is the One True God have been in the Bible all along. But for the past 1700 years our preachers have not taught us their true meaning. And that's because they themselves did not know their true meaning. So instead, they taught us just the opposite of what I am saying to you.

See, as I said B/4. God is a single person like us. (Deut. 6:4) (Mark 12:32) (Exodus 24:10) He has to be because this is the way he appeared on earth that Christmas day in his incarnation. And this is the way he ascended to heaven 40 days later. Let's say it like this. If a child saw 2-3 men all claiming to be his dad, no wonder he would be confused, and so would you. This means that the Trinity is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 parts. The Trinity is in the way he speaks about himself when he speaks to us.

So when Jesus says the "Father sent me", or "I go to the Father," he is speaking of himself by his other name. And when he says "In my Fathers house", he is speaking of himself, too. Only in the third person.

In fact, every time he mentions the Father, he is speaking of himself by his other name.

The same is true when he speaks of the Holy Spirit.

See, what God is doing is revealing (John 17:6) his other 2 names to us so we can get to know him better. This proves that he loves us and he wants us to love him back. And that's why he made us in the first place. Jesus said it this way in John 15:13-14: "Greater love has no man than this, than to lay down his life for his friends. (And) you are my friends if you do what I say " And too, remember what Jesus said to Thomas in John 14: "If you had really known me, you would know who my Father is. From now on, you do know him and have seen him!” Otherwise said, the Father is my other name!

See, through me, Jesus is revealing to you some not so well known facts about himself that have been hidden from most Christians for 1700 years! And some facts that you probable won't hear again.

So always remember that Jesus loves you very much. He proved this when he came from heaven to earth and died in your place on the cross that Friday afternoon. And he also proves this by giving you life and breath, and rain in due season, and by giving you sunshine to keep you warm and fresh air to breath. And by letting you live in a glorious land so you can have a good life. And by giving you food to eat so you don't have to go hungry. And now he wants to have a personal relationship with you just the way he did in the Garden of Eden before the fall, when we pulled away from him. This is the ultimate of his goal for us.

So Take Care and Stay safe.


Rev. Autrey

 

[Samson2020]

Here is a good saying to live by: Any God other than Jesus is a false God!

WOW. Thats a direct denial of the Father who is the only TRUE GOD. WOW

John 5:23 "That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father which hath sent him."
Luke 10:22 " All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son and those
to whom the Son wills to reveal him."

 

[Samson2020]

And now he wants to have a personal relationship with you just the way he did in the Garden of Eden before the fall, when we pulled away from him. This is the ultimate of his goal for us.

Do you have any scripture that states "WE" who are alive in the flesh today were in the garden of Eden and pulled away from God?

 

[Rev Autrey]

WOW. Thats a direct denial of the Father who is the only TRUE GOD. WOW

John 5:23 "That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father which hath sent him."
Luke 10:22 " All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son and those
to whom the Son wills to reveal him."

Dear Samson2020:

I have given you many proofs that Jesus is the God we have been looking for. "... and the Word was God." And is abundantly clear that you do not intend to accept any of them. Therefore, I will not answer any more of your responses.


Rev. Autrey

 

[PloughBoy]

Dear Samson2020:

I have given you many proofs that Jesus is the God we have been looking for. "... and the Word was God." And is abundantly clear that you do not intend to accept any of them. Therefore, I will not answer any more of your responses.


Rev. Autrey

What part of the English syntax you do not understand here?

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God.

"1Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. 3“This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4“I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."
This is written in plan english syntax relating to the 'Original copy Text", of "holy Scripture" without error. Base on the "inerrancy' of the text. Men does not determine the "inerrancy of the Bible", "The Holy Scripture " determines the "inerrancy"! [of it's self].

 

[Demily]

Jesus is our One Lord. Jesus is pur God, Creator of ALL.
MATTHEW 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: And no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; save the Son,
And he ti whomever the Son will REVEAL him.
ST. JOHN 8:24-27
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus said; Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
They UNDERSTOOD NOT that he spake to them of the FATHER.
COLOSSIANS 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
Fir BY HIM were ALL things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powera: ALL things were created by him and for him: And he is BEFORE ALL THINGS and by him ALL THINGS CONSIST.
1TIMOTHY 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the ONLY wise God, be honour and glory forever and ever, Amen.
ST.JOHN 3:12-13
If i have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if i tell you heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, EVEN THE SON OF MAN WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
There is many more scriptures that add up to show who Jesus is. The trinity is a lie. Jesus is ONE. As Ephesians 4:4-6 says:
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

I will not be replying to anyone wanting to debate. I posted these scriptures for people who truly want to understand who Jesus is and i wanna say to whoever is going to look into these and study these verses and more to please seek Jesus and ask him to lead you into all truth and nothing but the truth. Please.

 

[PloughBoy]

Jesus is our One Lord. Jesus is pur God, Creator of ALL.
MATTHEW 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: And no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; save the Son,
And he ti whomever the Son will REVEAL him.
ST. JOHN 8:24-27
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus said; Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
They UNDERSTOOD NOT that he spake to them of the FATHER.
COLOSSIANS 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
Fir BY HIM were ALL things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powera: ALL things were created by him and for him: And he is BEFORE ALL THINGS and by him ALL THINGS CONSIST.
1TIMOTHY 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the ONLY wise God, be honour and glory forever and ever, Amen.
ST.JOHN 3:12-13
If i have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if i tell you heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, EVEN THE SON OF MAN WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
There is many more scriptures that add up to show who Jesus is. The trinity is a lie. Jesus is ONE. As Ephesians 4:4-6 says:
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

I will not be replying to anyone wanting to debate. I posted these scriptures for people who truly want to understand who Jesus is and i wanna say to whoever is going to look into these and study these verses and more to please seek Jesus and ask him to lead you into all truth and nothing but the truth. Please.

You must have not paid attention to where this "thread" is listed under> "Discussion" it is a room for "Discussions". one of the definition of the word discussion, is Debate; resolution; agitation of a point or subject with view to elicit truth, treating of a subject by argument, to clear it of difficulties, and separated truth from falsehood! 'American Dictionary of the English Language"

And at the end of your statement, you say this: "I will not be replying to anyone wanting to debate." I think you better 1st get to understand words and their meanings. "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye". I didn't say that, Jesus did. So do not get mad with me. He said it, but i am guilty of quoting it. Something tells me, i am going to the Stakes. "The Jesus preachers do not want us to know"

 

[B-A-C]

Just love this word proverbs 8 havent read that for a time so will read again before bed Lovely word
God bles

In Proverbs 8:22-23; is it a human speaking.. or is it "wisdom" (God's wisdom) that is speaking here?

 

[Nicola Jane]

What part of the English syntax you do not understand here?

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God.

"1Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. 3“This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4“I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."
This is written in plan english syntax relating to the 'Original copy Text", of "holy Scripture" without error. Base on the "inerrancy' of the text. Men does not determine the "inerrancy of the Bible", "The Holy Scripture " determines the "inerrancy"! [of it's self].

a little point Ploughboy
(as not to disrupt thread off track) as ive have just done a little syntax meaning research now i see aha
syntax
word meaning drift as you mention the word often and wasn't familiar with the word or meaning of
i know i had a joke about it with you in a previous convo on a different thread
learning a lot a lot all very good x

 

[Nicola Jane]

In Proverbs 8:22-23; is it a human speaking.. or is it "wisdom" (God's wisdom) that is speaking here?

i believe wisdom

 

[Tanya]

In Proverbs 8:22-23; is it a human speaking.. or is it "wisdom" (God's wisdom) that is speaking here?

Proverbs 8:22 Commentaries: "The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.

I found Bible Hub to be quite helpful in explaining what the words mean in the greek and helps me to understand thank you so much for sharing

 

[Samson2020]

1 Ti 2:5-6 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all to be testified in due time."

Heb 5:8-10 "Though he were a Son yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being MADE PERFECT HE BECAME THE AUTHOR OF ETERNAL
SALVATION unto all them that obey him; CALLED OF GOD AN HIGH PRIEST after the order of Melchisedec."

James 1:13 "..........................., for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts he any man."

Mark 1:13 " And he(Jesus) was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts, and the angels ministered unto him."

So lets see here there is one True God who is LORD of ALL, and there is Jesus Christ the one Lord of us all who is the mediator between men and God.
He LEARNED obedience through sufferings in order to be perfected and became the author of eternal salvation, called OF GOD an High priest.
He was in the wilderness tempted of Satan, but God cannot be tempted by evil. So how is it again that Jesus is the only True God. He says otherwise in
John 17:3 "Life eternal is to know thee the Only True God AND Jesus Christ whom thou (God) hast sent."

Heb 2:9 "But we see Jesus who was MADE a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that HE (Jesus) by the grace of God
should taste death for every man."

I'm pretty sure that the last verse says that Jesus by Gods grace tasted death for every man. It does NOT say that God tasted death for every man. Indeed Jesus was the
sacrifice unto God for the sin of the world. God did not sacrifice himself, he sacrificed his only begotten Son.

I really worry about some of you here that just don't seem to get that there are two where there was only one to begin with. The basis of the book is that you too can
come to the same outcome that Jesus attained unto by overcoming the world. If you had to start out as God to begin with you would never get there. But thanks be
to God that he left a plan to follow, his name is Jesus Christ. and gave the comforter to those whom are the elect to be sanctified through the word of truth.
John 17:17 "Sanctify them through thy truth, thy word is truth."
Matt 16:24 "If any MAN will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and FOLLOW ME."

John 17:21 "That they ALL MAY BE ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one." Sound familiar?

 

[Tanya]

I have read the scriptures again and I am convinced that Jesus is God, we will, I fear, never agree, so bless you Samson we will have agree to disagree on this one.

I agree Jesus is God God is in three persons. God incomprehensible people don't understand that. You can't get much clearer than and the Word was God They want everything to make sense and it never will we will never understated it all because God is all knowing and we are not. No one can quite wrap their minds around the trinity. People want to try and put God in a box where they can understand everything about Him...that will never happen this side of heaven He is too magnificant. Trinity is like time it has a past, present, and future all different, yet all the same "time."

 

[Trevor]

You can't "with" someone, unless it is someone else.

Hi B.A.C, We are made in the image of God. Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness," In this statement God is revealing that he is plural He is more than one. We are more than one; we are flesh, soul and spirit. our flesh (senses) taste touch smell hearing and sight. Our soul; intellect, emotion and will. Our spirit; conscience, intuition and communion. Our senses experience creation and the world around us and like Eve we see that things are good and wish to try them. however we need the soul to agree for without the will nothing can be done. So the flesh desires things it sees the soul reasons and agrees because the soul, without the spirit is amoral. The conscience that should be the authority of the three disagrees with the soul because it sees the moral implications, but because of the disobedience of Adam, the Life that should be there to strengthen the conscience, (The Holy Spirit)is no longer there as we have through Adam, lost access to the tree of Life and so the soul gets its way after a dialog with the conscience, that it wins because the conscience is dead; "Let the dead bury their own dead" I am of course, referring to an unsaved soul, a saved soul is no-longer dead. I am trying to convey the fact that our flesh, soul and spirit converses within us, as does the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Trevor]

I agree Jesus is God God is in three persons. God incomprehensible people don't understand that. You can't get much clearer than and the Word was God They want everything to make sense and it never will we will never understated it all because God is all knowing and we are not. No one can quite wrap their minds around the trinity. People want to try and put God in a box where they can understand everything about Him...that will never happen this side of heaven He is too magnificant. Trinity is like time it has a past, present, and future all different, yet all the same "time."

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness," I don't think it could be made plainer than that Tanya, what do you think?

 

[Tanya]

Dear Mack, I am writing this response to tell you that Jesus loves you.

As you eluded to in your response, we as Christian's have not preached Jesus as God in our Christian Churches for about 1700 years. So I am not surprised that you don't believe in him as God. In fact, the very thought of it is condemned by most Christian Seminaries and Christian teachers. So no wonder the people are confused. But Jesus is God, the One true God, the creator of heaven and earth, and, and the one who came and died for the ins of the world.

Jesus said it this way in Isaiah 45:21-22: "... For there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me. Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other."

He said it this way through Paul in Romans 9:5: "... And Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. He is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise."

These verses were fulfilled by Jesus for us when it is said of Jesus in Matthew 1:21-23: "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, behold, a virgin shall be with child, and she shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

And this is the same God who expresses his love for you by giving you rain in due season, and by being your friend in times of need.

See, these Scriptures are as plain as Jesus intends to make them. But because we are who we are, we are inclined not to listen. As the people said in Luke 19:14, "We will not have this man to reign over us.”
Said otherwise, those who do not want to believe will not believe, no matter what they see in the Scriptures.

And again, as you said above, this has been going on for so long that we do not remember what the truth is anymore!

Actually, this belief system was started by Dr. Arius of Alexandria, Egypt who lived from 250 AD to 336 AD. To summarize this belief, Dr. Arius taught that Christ is a separate entity from the Father, and, therefore, Jesus is subordinate to the Father. That is to say, Jesus was created by the Father at some point in time. And that we do not pray to Jesus, but only to the Father. Of course he asserted, this is done with the blessings of the Son. This doctrine became known as Arianism, and has become a dominate thought in English and American religion.

Now you can believe it if you want to. It is your right in a free society. And it is your right as free Christian. But as you can see from the Scriptures above, it is directly opposite of what Jesus himself taught!

So I will close with what I said in my post:

God is a single person like us. (Deut. 6:4) (Mark 12:32) He has to be because we are made in his image, and we are single persons. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in his image. Let's say it like this. If a child saw 2-3 men all claiming to be his dad, no wonder he would be confused. And too, we saw him as a single person walking on the earth. This means that the Trinity is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 parts. The Trinity is in the way he speaks about himself when he speaks to us. That is to say, God has two other names besides Jesus, and he speaks of himself this way.

So when Jesus says the "Father sent me", or "I go to the Father," he is speaking of himself by his other name. The same is true when he speaks of the Holy Spirit. And when he says "In my Fathers house" he is speaking of himself, too. Only in the third person.

See, what God is doing is revealing (John 17:6) his other 2 names to us so we can get to know him better. This proves that he loves us and he wants us to love him back. Remember what Jesus said to Thomas in John 14: "If you had really known me, you would know who my Father is. From now on, you do know him and have seen him!” Otherwise said, the Father is my other name!

See, Jesus through me is revealing to you some not so well known facts about himself that you have not heard before!

So Take Care and Stay safe.


Rev. Autrey

Dear Rev. Autrey: I believe in the Trinity as God in three people but one essence or substance. He made us in His image meaning He loves, He can care for people, He gets angry, etc. God is spirit. You are correct God cannot be divided up into 3rds they all co-exist simutaneously eternally and never divided. This is my belief. Much respect and blessings. Tanya