The Lord's 2 anointed witnesses

[Bill]

Revelation 11:15-18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world (this satanic world of the Devil with all his devilish structures and systems, mainly satanic religious systems invented by him, like your devilish religion)are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.


18 And the nations will be angry, and GOD's wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth.

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Revelation 12:7-11
7 And there will be war in heaven: Michael and his messengers fought against the Dragon-the red Dragon-Revelation 13:11-18- ; and the Dragon fought and his messengers,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great Dragon will be cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world(deceives the whole world mainly through religious systems invented by him like Catholicism, Budism, Islamism, Judaism, Esosterism, among countless others): the Dragon will be cast out into the earth, and his messengers will be cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our GOD, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the Word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
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If the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? - 1Corinthians 14:8

Wow, really going off the deep end.

You should never ever include the Jews in that dialog, as they are the apple of God's eye

 

[Oseas]

The Word of God always prevails. But you must not hate. What you are doing, is throwing the Word of God onto the ground, calling God a lier. Never ever Hate, it does not come from God

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, automatically self-executing, yeah, self-executing, understand?

What does the Word of GOD say? Isaiah 33:10-14

10 Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.

11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.

12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.

13 Hear, ye that are far off(the Gentile peoples/nations), what I have done; and, ye that are near(the Jewish people/Israel), acknowledge my might.

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire?(GOD is a devouring fire. The Word is GOD) who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? --> Yes, Who?

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[Oseas]

The Word of God always prevails. But you must not hate. What you are doing, is throwing the Word of God onto the ground, calling God a lier. Never ever Hate, it does not come from God

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, self-executing, understand?

Romans 2:5 to 12 and 16

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against this Day of GOD's Wrath and REVELATION of the righteous Judgment of GOD -> - the Word is GOD- ;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth - GOD is Truth -, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the JEW FIRST, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with GOD.

12 For as many as have sinned without law -THE GENTILE PEOPLES-shall also PERISH without law(yeah, will PERISH without Law): and as many as have sinned in the law (THE JEWS-ISRAEL'S PEOPLE) - shall be JUDGED by the law;
16 In this Day -the LORD's DAY - when GOD shall JUDGE the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
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You are weighed in the balances, and are found wanting.

 

[Oseas]

Wow, really going off the deep end.

You should never ever include the Jews in that dialog, as they are the apple of God's eye

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, self-executing, understand?

Romans 2:5 to 12 and 16

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against this Day of GOD's Wrath and REVELATION of the righteous Judgment of GOD -> - the Word is GOD- ;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth - GOD is Truth -, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the JEW FIRST, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with GOD.

12 For as many as have sinned without law -THE GENTILE PEOPLES-shall also PERISH without law(yeah, will PERISH without Law): and as many as have sinned in the law (THE JEWS-ISRAEL'S PEOPLE) - shall be JUDGED by the law;
16 In this Day -the LORD's DAY - when GOD shall JUDGE the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Get ready

You are weighed in the balances, and are found wanting.

 

[Bill]

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, self-executing, understand?

Romans 2:5 to 12 and 16

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against this Day of GOD's Wrath and REVELATION of the righteous Judgment of GOD -> - the Word is GOD- ;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the Truth - GOD is Truth -, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the JEW FIRST, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with GOD.

12 For as many as have sinned without law -THE GENTILE PEOPLES-shall also PERISH without law(yeah, will PERISH without Law): and as many as have sinned in the law (THE JEWS-ISRAEL'S PEOPLE) - shall be JUDGED by the law;
16 In this Day -the LORD's DAY - when GOD shall JUDGE the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Get ready

You are weighed in the balances, and are found wanting.

It does not matter what you think of the Jews. All of Revelations is centered on Israel. And the Jews are, let me repeat that, The Jews Are, one more time for clarity, THE JEWS ARE THE APPLE OF GODS EYES.
Now, are we clear?????????

Putting down the Jews, is not your task, no matter how favored you think you are.

Let me tell you, what ever preacher you listen to, that tells you to hate the Jews, is not worth spit.

 

[Oseas]

It does not matter what you think of the Jews.

The Scriptures I have quoted in my post you are replying are not what I think, but the thinking of GOD. The Word is GOD, self-executing, understand? Have you ever read what JESUS said in John 5:43-47 and 8:44-45? Take a look.

All of Revelations is centered on Israel.

Yes, mainly Revelation 13:11-18 about a Jewish and apocalyptic lamb-Take a look.

 

[Bill]

The Scriptures I have quoted in my post you are replying are not what I think, but the thinking of GOD. The Word is GOD, self-executing, understand? Have you ever read what JESUS said in John 5:43-47 and 8:44-45? Take a look.

Yes, mainly Revelation 13:11-18 about a Jewish and apocalyptic lamb-Take a look.

It is your eyes rhat need to see

 

[Oseas]

It is your eyes rhat need to see

I asked if you have never READ John 5:43-47 and Revelation 13:11-18 about the Jewish lamb. My point is not to see with carnal eyes as you are doing, but by revelation of the Spirit of GOD the Father. GOD is Spirit, understand?

By the way, even now in this end times, the apocalyptic Jewish lamb will offer his throne in Jerusalem for the Pope to sit on for 42 months, you see?-Revelation 13:2- , and in return the entire structure of the Roman Catholic Church will be taken by the false lamb, with the objective of developing an Universal religious Kingdom - Catholicism and Judaism -iron and clay- Daniel 2:43-44.

In fact the false lamb is a false messiah, AN IMPOSTER, John 5:43-47- , and THIS esoteric and Kabbalistic and false spiritist Messiah will do great signs before the Pope and all the people-Revelation 13:12-14, and all the followers of the RCC, like you, will believe in the false messiah of the Jews, who will be the head of the Universal and Satanic Kingdom of Antichrist .

By the way, it will be the marriage of the false messiah with his Church, the Great *****, the idolatrous and diabolical Roman Catholic Church, which will be celebrated soon or very soon, when the next Pope be elected to replace Francis, the current Pope.

Get ready, I think that you will believe in the satanic signs that will be made by the diabolical and ruthless false messiah, when your spiritual leader - the Pope - be sitting on the Devil's throne in Jerusalem.

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[lentz]

I would advise all to stick with the KJV because the wording is very important to understanding.

The book of Revelation is very symbolic, and one needs to pay close attention to the wording because that is where you will find the clues you need in other parts of scripture to help you unlock the many mysteries found in God's words. But it is only by the Holy Spirit one can receive this understanding into the mystery. God's 2 witnesses (Word and Spirit) are "in" all his saints, it is the bodies of the saints that are lying in the streets of this "spiritual" city. Just as God's saints are also referred to in scripture as the "holy city" and as Jerusalem and Zion.

Notice the wording....

Revelation 11:7-9 "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. (war against the saints who have the testimony of Jesus Christ in them)8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which "spiritually" is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves."

Now compare the above to the wording below here.....


Isaiah 51:16-23
16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
17 Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.
18 There is none to guide her among all the sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all the sons that she hath brought up.
19 These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword: by whom shall I comfort thee?
20 Thy sons have fainted, they lie at the head of all the streets, as a wild bull in a net: they are full of the fury of the Lord, the rebuke of thy God.
21 Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine:
22 Thus saith thy Lord the Lord, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:
23 But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over."

The above verses show the first tribulation of the Jews and the days of vengeance upon God’s people, but notice this cup of fury is taken from them and then given to the Nations. Also notice above God calls his people Zion, and Jerusalem (the holy city), and they lie in the streets of this "spiritual" place, and then God tells them to awake as in the resurrection; like the bodies of the 2 witnesses in the streets.

Now notice the wording again....

Revelation 11:11
And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Compare to....

Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Revelation 11:9 "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Again compare spiritual things with spiritual……

Psalm 79:2-3 "The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.3 Their blood have they shed like water round about Jerusalem; and there was none to bury them."

Also notice what Paul says here concerning the killing of the prophets of God…

Romans 11 “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed "thy prophets", and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself "seven thousand" men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is "a remnant" according to the election of grace.”

Again compare the wording used in Revelation concerning "the prophets" killed, the "seven thousand" men, and "the remnant"….

Revelation 11:10-13 “And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men "seven thousand": and "the remnant" were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.”

Jerusalem is also compared spiritually as Sodom…..

Revelation 11:8 “And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”

Here the Lord is speaking to the people of Jerusalem and Judah…

Isaiah 1:9-10 “Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.10 Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.”

Paul confirms the same here concerning Israel…

Romans 9:27-29 “Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Again comparing people as Sodom…

Jeremiah 23:14 “I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.”

The two witnesses come on the scene during the tribulation. So i wouldnt worry too much about it.
Thats how i read it anyways

 

[Bill]

The two witnesses come on the scene during the tribulation. So i wouldnt worry too much about it.
Thats how i read it anyways

You could say, both Jesus and John the Baptist came on thier scene at thier appointed time. But in truth they were with us for 30 yrs, and few knew.

So it is with the Two Annointed Ones of God, they are alive now. Waiting!

 

[lentz]

You could say, both Jesus and John the Baptist came on thier scene at thier appointed time. But in truth they were with us for 30 yrs, and few knew.

So it is with the Two Annointed Ones of God, they are alive now. Waiting!

I understand what you're saying. If they are old testament men who will be brought back as most believe. Elijah,Moses,or who ever. I dont think so.

But yes if they are normal men waiting for the call,then yes,as close to the end as we are,they could have been born already. Maybe only 2 week old babies now,but yes they could be here. Again,my thoughts

 

[Bill]

I understand what you're saying. If they are old testament men who will be brought back as most believe. Elijah,Moses,or who ever. I dont think so.

But yes if they are normal men waiting for the call,then yes,as close to the end as we are,they could have been born already. Maybe only 2 week old babies now,but yes they could be here. Again,my thoughts

There is no such thing as reincarnation, so you won't see Elijah or Moses returning. I never really did understand where people get that thinking from with the exception of one thing. And that is that it was Elijah and Moses who spoke to Jesus. However, Jesus himself stated that John the Baptist Was Elijah. And that Elijah would also come again.

So as we know that John the Baptist was born of a woman and yet Jesus referred to him as Elijah. I think what we're seeing is that people will come with the spirit of Elijah or the spirit of Moses but those two people themselves will not return