The men who knew too much

[Bill]

then I humbly deeply apologize
I give this word Virtue

Accepted on my end . Fonger pointing never gets anywhere except broken fingers , lol

 

[Bill]

When you deign to post in English, then maybe there might be some communication going on.

Until then... it would be a fruitless effort. I don't find mystical ruminations to be edifying.

Kindly,
Rhema

When you said Canon of the East , i was thinking Eastern Orthodox, or were you meaning something else ?

Almost eastern anything is wrapped up with mysticism , so i just find your comment curious .

Im interested in your reply . Please dont take offense to my curiousity

 

[Bill]

the word is weaponized, for it is the word of the living God
In Hebrews 4:12-13 (NKJV) For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

The Word of the living God , was never ment to be weaponized .

The Lord has pointedly told me , He comes to us as a Father comes to His children .

But He wont tolerate brigands who come to rob Him . Or to cause harm to His children .

The Two Witnesses have been sent

There is nothing now that will stop them from completeing thier purpose . Just because you don't know them yet , does not mean they are not already working in this world .

In Jerusalem the world will only see the conclusion of a lifetime of service to the Lord

 

[Rhema]

Love is all I know

 

[Rhema]

When you said Canon of the East ,

But I didn't say Canon of the East. Here's what I said...

The book of Revelation is not in the canon of the Church of the East.

i was thinking Eastern Orthodox, or were you meaning something else ?

I meant exactly what I said, the Church of the East. And no, they are not Eastern Orthodox, since the Church of the East was founded by St. Thomas long before Eastern Orthodoxy was even established. The Church of the East was (and is) a Christian church started in Persia, and never under the corrupting influence of Rome.

Church of the East - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Almost eastern anything is wrapped up with mysticism , so i just find your comment curious .

Typically that would be meant as a condemnation, but coming from you, Bill, (and given your comment below), I realize it's a compliment:

Padre Pio is alive in Christ as i am . I first met him when the Lord sent me to help someone . And he and i met going to the same location . We were both walking in spirit .

If we truly believe a person is spirit ,

We don't.

Rhema

(And you're not the only one involved in miracles, Bill.)

 

[Rhema]

The Two Witnesses have been sent

(Hmmm... Who's the other one ??)
.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I meant exactly what I said, the Church of the East. And no, they are not Eastern Orthodox, since the Church of the East was founded by St. Thomas long before Eastern Orthodoxy was even established. The Church of the East was (and is) a Christian church started in Persia, and never under the corrupting influence of Rome.

you might find "The Lost History of Christianity" by Philip Jenkins interesting (if you have not already read it)


Bless you ....><>

 

[Bill]

But I didn't say Canon of the East. Here's what I said...


I meant exactly what I said, the Church of the East. And no, they are not Eastern Orthodox, since the Church of the East was founded by St. Thomas long before Eastern Orthodoxy was even established. The Church of the East was (and is) a Christian church started in Persia, and never under the corrupting influence of Rome.

Church of the East - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Typically that would be meant as a condemnation, but coming from you, Bill, (and given your comment below), I realize it's a compliment:



We don't.

Rhema

(And you're not the only one involved in miracles, Bill.)

Lol never thought i was only one involved with miracles . I would certainly be a fool ( more than i am)

We are like bookends he and I. Bookends seem to be alike yet are opposites and all of God's children, are between us.

 

[TheWordIsOne]

I am trying to follow , you are saying Ministers should not go overboard with thier zeal for scripture . Is that it ?

If so , then i would say the opposite , that Ministers need to go for it , and not put a cork on thier own minds . If the Spirit of God is leading , ' Let the fire flow '

Answer
Wisdom of the wise is that of Prudence man, but God Wisdom is greater than all.

Proverbs 3: 19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

First Chronicles 22: 12 Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God.

Ecclesiastes 7: 16 Be not righteous overmuch; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?

Job 36: 5 Behold, God is mighty, and despiseth, not any: he is mighty in strength and wisdom.

Proverbs 8:1 – 31 Doth not wisdom cry? And understanding put forth her voice?
She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
Hear; for I will speak of excellent things, and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
For my mouth shall speak the truth, and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
For wisdom is better than rubies; all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
I wisdom dwell with prudence and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
I love them that love me, and those that seek me early shall find me.
Riches and honor are with me; yea, durable riches, and righteousness.
My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills were I brought forth:
While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth, and my delights were with the sons of men

 

[Bill]

Answer
Wisdom of the wise is that of Prudence man, but God Wisdom is greater than all.

Proverbs 3: 19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

First Chronicles 22: 12 Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God.

Ecclesiastes 7: 16 Be not righteous overmuch; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?

Job 36: 5 Behold, God is mighty, and despiseth, not any: he is mighty in strength and wisdom.

Proverbs 8:1 – 31 Doth not wisdom cry? And understanding put forth her voice?
She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
Hear; for I will speak of excellent things, and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
For my mouth shall speak the truth, and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
For wisdom is better than rubies; all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
I wisdom dwell with prudence and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
I love them that love me, and those that seek me early shall find me.
Riches and honor are with me; yea, durable riches, and righteousness.
My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills were I brought forth:
While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth, and my delights were with the sons of men

Live in love, and you will be saved

 

[TheWordIsOne]

Live in love, and you will be saved

I'm already saved, it's what I can do
and love, I do not need to justify my love

 

[MrBear]

I don’t know what I just witnessed here but it was incredible
Btw what do you have against Osteen?
My brother
SHALOM

 

[Bill]

If a man or woman is at one time saved, then during thier lifetime lose that salvation by way of sin, anger, non forgiveness, pride. That person will be lost.

That was what happened to Judas.

Jesus stated, " rejoice that your names are written in heaven " . Then after Judas became proud and betreyed Jesus, Jesus says of him " it would have been better if he had never been born "

 

[MrBear]

If a man or woman is at one time saved, then during thier lifetime lose that salvation by way of sin, anger, non forgiveness, pride. That person will be lost.

That was what happened to Judas.

Jesus stated, " rejoice that your names are written in heaven " . Then after Judas became proud and betreyed Jesus, Jesus says of him " it would have been better if he had never been born "

I often wonder if Judas was predestined to be the betrayer I know the scripture says “ then satan entered his heart” but Jesus already knew “ I say to you one of you will betray me”
Was Judas predestined to be the one is something I struggled with
I think god can set things in motion but leaves it up to man to finish what he starts ( or doesn’t finish )
Someone once said “ yea what about Paul?”
Paul could have chosen to be blind the rest of his life god didn’t “ make” Paul become the great missionary he became) and thank the lord he did too)
Could Judas have changed the course he was on?
I guess that is something I have pondered myself
SHALOM

 

[Bill]

I often wonder if Judas was predestined to be the betrayer I know the scripture says “ then satan entered his heart” but Jesus already knew “ I say to you one of you will betray me”
Was Judas predestined to be the one is something I struggled with
I think god can set things in motion but leaves it up to man to finish what he starts ( or doesn’t finish )
Someone once said “ yea what about Paul?”
Paul could have chosen to be blind the rest of his life god didn’t “ make” Paul become the great missionary he became) and thank the lord he did too)
Could Judas have changed the course he was on?
I guess that is something I have pondered myself
SHALOM

No such thing as predestination . If there was there won't be any purpose for Jesus dying on the cross. What would the point be.

Having faith would have no meaning

If everything was absolutely predestined. Then it wouldn't matter whether I accepted Jesus or not or if Jesus died on the cross or any of it none of it would matter.

However everything does matter

And it's because of this that there is no predestination.

So even though Judas I was told by Jesus that his name was written in heaven .

And even though Judas saw all the miracles of Jesus. Walking on the water the multiplication of bread and fish and all of the other crazy miracles

Judas still chose to do what he wanted to do. And that his way was more important then God's way.

 

[MrBear]

Ty for your opinion Brother
SHALOM

 

[Bill]

Ty for your opinion Brother ❤
SHALOM

Its my opinion lmao ,

If there is predestination , what was the point of Jesus going to all the trouble of dying on the cross and His resurrection?

So basically , you are saying . It is ok to get the mark of the beast, because you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and savior.

You deem yourself to be saved, no matter what.

Isn't that funny the Pharisees thought that too

 

[MrBear]

Its my opinion lmao ,

If there is predestination , what was the point of Jesus going to all the trouble of dying on the cross and His resurrection?

So basically , you are saying . It is ok to get the mark of the beast, because you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and savior.

You deem yourself to be saved, no matter what.

Isn't that funny the Pharisees thought that too

Brother I’m sorry if I caught you on a bad night, I mean no disrespect you are my elder and I trust your wisdom on this matter
SHALOM

 

[Bill]

Brother I’m sorry if I caught you on a bad night, I mean no disrespect you are my elder and I trust your wisdom on this matter
SHALOM

Its ok , thank you for your respect. But we must use discernment always. Especially in this day and age.

Remember God can speek wisdom from the mouth of a donkey, so just because i am older, does not always mean i am wiser