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The Prosperity Gospel

Chad

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The Prosperity Gospel

Word of Faith – a non biblical teaching that uses God as a cosmic dispenser of goodies. The photo on the left is a Joy Meyer Family Compound by Rober Cohen of the St. Louis Dispatch. The prosperity gospel at its best.

One thing that is notable with the prosperity gospel is that the believer of the prosperity gospel is taught to use God whereas the truth of the bible teaches that God uses the believer. The Holy Spirit, as taught in the scriptures, teaches that He enables the person to do God’s will whereas the prosperity gospel teaches that the Holy Spirit is a power that can be put to use for whatever the person will with the requisite amount of faith. God becomes the cosmic candy dispenser. Instead of depositing a quarter into the candy machine, the prosperity believer deposits faith into the cosmic candy machine and prosperity is dispensed.

Those that believe that Christians can ‘claim’ a promise, I would like give verses that the word “claim” is used in the New Testament.

  • Rom 3:8 And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), “Let us do evil that good may come”? Their condemnation is just.

  • 1Ti 2:10 but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.
The Greek word that is used is “epaggello” which is defined by Strong’s as “to announce upon (reflexively), that is, (by implication) to engage to do something, to assert something respecting oneself: – profess, (make) promise.”

There is no instance in the bible where believers claimed promises. The word claim, as used by the prosperity believers, does not use the word as defined biblically for it would not make sense. They are using it not in the sense as in the bible which is as “a deponent verb meaning basically to announce oneself, offer oneself for a responsibility or service.”

Claim, as used by the prosperity people, use it in the modern definition which is “To call for; to ask or seek to obtain, by virtue of authority, right or supposed right; to challenge as a right; to demand as due; as, to claim a debt; to claim obedience, or respect. To have a right or title to; as, the heir claims the estate by descent; he claims a promise.”

A claim is a demand.

I would like to share a couple of stories from the prosperity movement.

A family had a child who was a type 1 diabetic. They claimed a healing for their young child and stood on the promise that their child would be healed. They tossed out the child’s life saving insulin as to keep the insulin would demonstrate that they lacked faith. They prayed over their child, folks from their church would come over and pray over the child. They performed demon removals. Yet the child remained diabetic and slowly got sicker while they continued to diligently pray and claim a healing. Eventually, the child slipped into a diabetic coma. Yet, the parents chose to believe and claim a healing for their child and refrained from giving him the life saving insulin. The child died and the parents were prosecuted and put in prison where they belong.

Another example is a story from someone that witnessed the following.

A young girl was fell off her bike and hit her head on the sidewalk. Her parents were prosperity believers. While the child was in the hospital, she was prayed over not only by her parents but by many in the parent’s church, including the pastor of that church. Meanwhile a couple of days later, in an unrelated incident, a biker sitting on his motorcycle at a stoplight, was hit by a bus and ended up in a hospital with many, many broken bones. It was a different hospital than the child. There was no link between the two, they were simply two human beings that suffered a tragedy.

Two weeks later, the child succumbs to her injuries and dies. Meanwhile, the man who was hit by a bus, a biker who had no relationship to the Lord, had no one praying for him, eventually recovers and walks out of the hospital.

The outcome of this is that the parents were told that they lacked faith and because of the lack of faith, their child died. In fact, one person stated “If her family knew their Bible, their little girl would never have gotten into that situation in the first place.”

God, the cosmic candy dispenser. If you desire a gumball and see a gumball machine, you place your quarter in the gumball machine and a gumball is dispensed. If you put in less than a quarter, you will not receive the desired gumball. God, as the cosmic candy dispenser, does not take quarters. He takes faith. If you deposit the requisite amount of faith, He dispenses the desired request. If not enough faith is deposited, like the gumball, nothing is dispensed.

I’ve often wondered what is taught about the faith, or lack of faith of Paul, David and Moses who God denied their requested petitions.

“But the LORD was angry with me on your account, and would not listen to me; and the LORD said to me, ‘Enough! Speak to Me no more of this matter. (Deu 3:26 NASB)

David therefore inquired of God for the child; and David fasted and went and lay all night on the ground. The elders of his household stood beside him in order to raise him up from the ground, but he was unwilling and would not eat food with them. Then it happened on the seventh day that the child died. And the servants of David were afraid to tell him that the child was dead, for they said, “Behold, while the child was still alive, we spoke to him and he did not listen to our voice. How then can we tell him that the child is dead, since he might do himself harm!” (2Sa 12:16-18 NASB)

Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. (2Co 12:8-9 NASB)

from: http://fruitoftheword.com/2009/02/21/the-prosperity-gospel/
 
I read someone saying yesterday:

"I shared what I have received in my church..(on the prosperity topic) If anyone doesn't have the revelation ... please don't challenge me with the bible"

and one Pastor responded "I touched on it in my sermon today... funny... I said ...Jesus has come to preach good news to the poor. God news to the poor means you don't have to be poor anymore!"


and a multitude of people (including more Pastors) responded with (paraphrased) "AMEN, anyone who argues against this "truth" is an accuser like satan, dont listen to them!"


What??????

Does anyone else see the deception underfoot here?

Let me repeat what one brave "accuser" asked...

"Are you sure your revelation is of the LORD if you do not want to be challenged by the word of God?"

But the answer was "Even Jesus Himself Never Challenged me for Biblical Proof. He is my Revelation, He is my Biblical Proof."

ahhh....


The written word of God is causing an awful lot of trouble in this new enlightened age... it seems what we really need is new revelation...the scripture is simply not that profitable anymore...


Of course that would entirely depend on what kind of profit one desires.

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The Prosperity gospel is NOT Christs gospel, and anyone preaching it is preaching another gospel, and anyone believing it, has believed another gospel, and anyone who claims to have "revelation from Jesus" that the prosperity gospel is truth, has really had a revelation from satan.

The oldest deception in the genesis of humanity is, "Did God really say?" - satan [Gen 3:1]

The oldest truth in the genesis of Christianity is, "It is written!" [Mat 4:4]



2Ti 3:13 But evil people and impostors will go from bad to worse as they deceive others and are themselves deceived.
2Ti 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and found to be true, because you know from whom you learned it.
2Ti 3:15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures that are able to give you the wisdom you need for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 so that the man of God may be complete and thoroughly equipped for every good work.


amen and amen.
 
faith in a living God.

It is evident that you are disturbed by the false teachings on prosperity out there. You would be much at rest if you knew the truth. The truth is that for 40 years, This person has not had even a aspirin nor been to the Dr.

It is of important understanding that people realise the need to understand the message of apostacy in this hour. There are true Christians and also fallen ones. When the faith in God stops working then comes the gimmicks. You may not know that there are almost 7,500 promises in the bible.

Why pray if God doesn't answer, most hope so when they pray. They believe what will be will be. That is very rude to come to God who says yes and amen to his promises. 2Cor.1:20

The most important thing to remember is we as Christians either live by the bible or by whatever we please to think. Some of those wealthy TV preachers, also hold blasphemous doctrine. But they are none of me. Matt. 6:33 says seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.

here is one of many testimonies of my experience. One day while driving home my tire blew. I walked in front of the vehicle to head for a 2 mile hike to a phone. A Christian man pulled over and gave me a ride all the way home 10 miles. We talked about Jesus. He just happened to show me some bible teaching tapes from 2 churches I knew. His tapes recorder was tore up so he gave them to me. When home after having good bible fellowship, he drove off.

He came back in 10 minutes, he said I was driving and the Lord spoke to me and said go back and meet that man's need. he put a big wad of money and I gave him a brother hug. it was $80.00 enough to buy a tire and have some grocery money.

That has happened times before, but check this one, my friends wife was on the phone when my wife and I entered. She says Bobby is getting ready to commit suicide. After praying with the wife, soon a call came, I'm not going to do it. He said as I was driving the Lord spoke to me and said don't do it go and see Brodav9. Our prayers were answered and his life saved. It was all Jesus to help him we were helpless.

Ps. 84:11 delight thyself in the Lord and he shall give you the desires of your heart. Jn.14:14 if you shall ask anything in my name I will do it. Covetous is idolatry. faith pleases God. Heb. 11:6 without faith it is imposible to please God. Hoping that there is now a clear balance out of this that God is alive and faithful to faithful people.
 
It is evident that you are disturbed by the false teachings on prosperity out there. You would be much at rest if you knew the truth. The truth is that for 40 years, This person has not had even a aspirin nor been to the Dr.

Who are you referring to?
 
While God does indeed bless His children there is a lot of confusion on this subject especially on the immature (fleshly) Christians who have not yet figured out we do His will and not vice-verse.
The average person in America today lives better than a king did 20 centuries ago.


Heh Coconut- here is another good one- I heard a "preacher say that because the words "commonwealth of Israel" were in his bible that wealth was common!!! Someone needs to buy that guy a dictionary, LOL!
Then there was the name it and claim it lady- she named it but GMAC financing claimed it-:shock:.
I would comment some more but I have to get out of the way- it is training gold coins and Cadillac's over here!
:shade::shade:
 
"Are you sure your revelation is of the LORD if you do not want to be challenged by the word of God?"

This reminds me of a quip I heard years ago, "My mind's made up. Don't confuse me with facts!" I suspect that many prosperity gospel adherents are now finding themselves bankrupt, their homes in foreclosure (or facing foreclosure) and they are doubting God.

SLE
 
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Getting into the habit of not pointing to myself but only Jesus in the writings. Here though it is I who has experienced many wonderful things. It is because of the promises of God being claimed that I am alive to even write these messages.
One time I was cut in half and God put me back together. Without a Dr. or medicine.
 
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a edifying word about 5 deaths

Thanks for your post about the gentleman who was so blessed. It would be marvelous to have touched so many lives before our departure to glory.

Here's a reply thought you would like.
1 Cor. 15:31 I die daily Gal. 2:20 I am crucified with Christ never the less I live yet not I but Christ liveth in me. Notice this The life that I now live I live by --------faith------of ----the ---son-----of---God.

It is marvelous to live by faith--his faith.

years ago laying in bed with a bible. Dad called and said this will probably be the last time talking with you. He said I called different states to get people to call you and have you change your mind.

The bible had my promise in it. Isa. 53:5 by the wounds of Jesus I am healed. The power of God hit me one of those nights. it all came out of the mouth and next day was wonderful.

My disapointment was a preacher talked with my parents and said just ignor him, don't give him attention. Their living healed son stood many times with them and nothing was ever mentioned. They both died in the future of illnesses. Was blessed though that before they left, we had good prayers.

Oh that we would have people come to know that Jesus is alive and the same yesterday, today and forever. So many today are looking for a sign or miracle, and the wrong man will come and they will believe him. How greater a testimony as people see a righteous living person and also their ability to bring heaven down on earth.

the Spirit and the bride started at the cross. He purchased her with his own blood, then in the end of the book of Revelations the Spirit and the bride say come. There was no change she is the same bride, from the cross to the throne. The only change is man made. there may be a huge bible selection--changes-- but it is still the same Jesus. man can change the bible or his beliefs in it, but God remains the same and will never change or cease to be a miracle working God.

God love ya.
 
Faith is indeed Very Powerful! The world and all that was ever CREATED was Created by Faith!

But it Must be coupled with LOVE!
Love gives us the Correct Reason !

For His glory and Honor! Not for our selfish desires!

We are Building up eternal rewards in Heaven [New Jerusalem]

Luk 6:24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.



He said , He will fill our needs , nothing about making us rich here!

Our rewards are in heaven!

The Question i would ask ? Are we looking for rewards here or here ?


money brings new hard problems upon us and our families!

We DO not have enough problems?

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich)

I know many might fool them selves and say? if i were rich then i could bless many?

But none of the men or women of God in the churches beginning, Appears to never have made such a prayer, and they were walking closer and in more might than we appear to walk in!

The reason is greed seems to set in changing us greatly!

look at judas?

1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain

I would say, Be happy where your at and just try to bless others and reveal the truth!

money would only make it harder in the days ahead , Not to take the mark! The more we have? The harder it is to give it up!

Of course if we have given all we have now to Our LORD, then He does not need more from us!

And What is our purpose? to be HIS ! It all for Him , He decides such matters we do not !
 
Colossians 3:1-4
Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits at God's right hand in the place of honor and power. Let heaven fill your thoughts. Do not think only about things down here on earth. For you died when Christ died, and your real life is hidden with Christ in God. And when Christ, who is your [fn] real life, is revealed to the whole world, you will share in all his glory.:shade:
 
"My dear friends, if your faith is only a sunshiny faith, get rid of it, for you may not have many bright days between this and heaven. If your godliness can only walk with Christ when he wears silver slippers you had better give it up, for Christ very often walks barefoot.

It is a poor faith which can only trust God when friends are true, the body full of health, and the business profitable; but that is true faith which holds by the Lord’s faithfulness, when friends are gone, when the body is sick, when our spirits are depressed, when we are driven from the enjoyment of assurances into the desert land, and cannot see the light of our Father’s countenance.

A faith that can say in the midst of the direst trouble, “though he slay me, yet will I trust in him,” this is heaven-born faith indeed. I believe in my Lord, because he is a God that cannot lie, faithful and true to his every word, and, therefore, let the whole creation go to rack and ruin, my faith shall not waver or give up its confidence."

C.H. Spurgeon

From a sermon entitled "The Believer Sinking In The Mire."
 
The Apostle Paul described spiritual prosperity thus: "I have learned the secret of being content in any and every circumstance, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do everything through Him who gives me strength." (Php 4:12b-13 NIV)

SLE
 
Jesus did indeed promise storms in our lives but He also promised that He would be there with us during those trying times.
Our faith should be as solid on our worst day as on our best.
True Prosperity is when we prosper in walking with, doing the will of and deepening our fellowship with the Father.

(bold emphasis mine)
Gen 15:1 After these things the word of Jehovah came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
 
It is true that there is a greediness in some. The balance must be that God will supply richly his servants and actually all believers. In the N.T. we cannot use that as a example. We live in a better time. They didn't have cars, or a/c. God expects us to use the things in our time for his glory. One church believed God for a 150,000 a/c. It manifested miraculously. It wasn't greed it was hot weather. It isn't humble to go boasting how poor you can be, it is pride to say I have need of nothing. God is glorified when our faith claims what we need and gives him glory for it. In all things give thanks unto the glory of God and keep eyes focused on Jesus. Praise God that instead of using a hole in the ground, you can have a toilet. Let it be according to your faith. serve God not mammon.
 
brodav9, I think, that you think, that we have confused the true message of Father supplying all our need, with the lie that Father will supply all our want.

Father does`nt cater to His childrens "name it and claim it" nonsense, as some earthly fathers would, and have his children`s characters greatly hindered for such over-indulgences.

Prosperity proponents, like little children, refuse to carry their cross, and claim a crown...an 'I want my inheritance and I want it now!' mentality.

That is not Faith. It does`nt even slightly resemble Faith.

Thats a child demanding "the substance of things hoped for and, and things not yet seen" NOW.

Wow. The Prodigal eventually found himself in the pigpen for such smart stamping of his feet.

Jas 4:3 You make your request but you do not get it, because your request has been wrongly made, desiring the thing only so that you may make use of it for your pleasure.

Do you know what that tells me? That if I get all my selfish "wants" I better get worried, cause somethings not right... who`s child am I again?


Needless to say (tho Prosperity Preachers will twist Gods word like satan) Father never intended for us to hold to such foolish notions.


Jas 1:11 For when the sun comes up with its burning heat, the grass gets dry and the grace of its form is gone with the falling flower; so the man of wealth comes to nothing in his ways.
Jas 1:12 There is a blessing on the man who undergoes testing; because, if he has God's approval, he will be given the crown of life, which the Lord has said he will give to those who have love for him.
 
There is a serious problem here !
Our Flesh the body we are in is NOT GODS child!

Our new born -again is!

Our Spirit , Gods child has no use for money ,or sex or new cars or anything on earth. It has one Great desire to serve the LORD 100%

Its true we live in these bodies a short time! But they are not the most important thing to God! Our Spirit and our eternal walk with Him as Father and our Spirit as His child!

I know we tend to think our bodies are so important ! They are not ,They are the very last part of our being , that is important too our FATHER GOD! They are only for a moment in time , then gone forever along with , the name we call them !

The name we are called goes to the grave with , the body! We are New heavenly being !
A brand New Creation ! Everything eternal is what is important !

He said , He would take care of our daily needs and that was talking our our flesh type needs !

God knows what we need to pay our bills and feed our loved ones and help others !


Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

At Salvation, WE give ourselves to Him 100% and agree to let Him rule our lives forever More! Agreeing His will above ours!
Our Spirit is willing and Will always 100% !
The problem is our flesh mind , It must be renewed , trained to believe
Gods Words are Truth and more important than the thoughts from our Old Man [old spirit]
All our problems in life is in our body and flesh mind!

The carnal thinking want to be number one .
The spirit mans thinking , which is our Spirit man , Want to care about others first as its the same thinking as our Creator!

1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
This scripture means our flesh mind has the spirits mind in some subjection!
But if we walk and live more in our spirit thinking, then we will serve Him Perfectly and Hear Him well!

That is why , He said just before He went to the Cross ! We would fast after He died on the Cross!


Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily:

Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am


WE that are born of God , Only fast for one reason to hear Him more perfectly so we can obey Him more perfect!

That is not to say we do not gain in others ways , We will !

everything must be for Him and His glory ! Then we reap good from Him !
Please do not fast if you have anything serious wrong with you .
Do as the bible says first in James . Then after your healed . Then you could fast!

If any think it should not be in this place! Please remove it!
 
There is no such thing as a "prosperity" gospel, but only the Gospel of Christ. Everything that the Lord Jesus Christ teaches, and consists of is unselfishness only, with no slightest spot of selfishness in any thing that He teaches, or consists of. But these that are carnally minded have invented this phrase to justify before men that gain is godliness, and attempt to connect worldly gain with Christ; again, there is no such thing.
 
brodav9 said:
One church believed God for a 150,000 a/c. It manifested miraculously.

That airconditioning system undoubtedly came about when God moved in the hearts of some generous people who stepped in and provided the necessary resources. You make it sound as if the thing dropped out of heaven like Artemis' head (see Ac 19:35).

SLE
 
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Yes your partly right. We are getting closer to our understanding. We agree that the prosperity gospel that is being taught is false. We also agree that God supplies our needs. I believe that God does give extra blessing to his beloved children. Ps. 84:11 no good thing will he with hold from them that walk uprightly. One who walks upright will not ask to consume on own lusts. Lust must be divided from desire. Ps. 37:4 last part-and he shall give you the desires of your heart.

I already had a bass quitar. it was the one which was used to play rock music in the world. Did play it in church for several years. note though I didn't need a bass quitar. I desired a brand new one. It was to be a precision model, and be of a quality equal to rockers who have their worldly music.

Was out of work at that time. 3 mos. later a job opening at a pool sales center. After working there for a week, a fellow said did anyone tell you that you also do dusting in Banjo man's music store. It was a part of the ownership. The devil kept me from going there until that time. It was a music store. The clerk said at a later day " did you know that because you work for us , you get a discount on anything you want? I can even order it for you.

My eyes bugged out. I thought can even get discounts for brethren at church. The discount on absolutely anything will be 40%--that's almost half price. I ordered a Ario pro precision bass, a hardshell case and a small 200 watt amp. Well I believe in faith so never buy anything on credit. He said he will hold them and I can make payments each week. Well the package was 800.00 the bass was 300.00 which is 40%. 3 mos. after praying in faith and God's promises, God gave me a free bass quitar. It was a service to the Lord and used to teach other brothers in churches how to play bass.

remember now there are 2 basses. The idea here is that desires of the heart are special things we desire but are still used with the right motive. The main part of the motive was just to bless others with a good sound that would stir them in longing to worship the Lord. It rang while the other one hard a flat thump sound.

A few years later, a fellow came to start a job at the place I was working. He became friends and said my dad went to prison and we were playing country music together. I have this old bass don't need. want to buy it cheap. He offered a whole package.

to make a long story short. a 1,000.00 Alvarez red gold hardware 5 string bass. super hardshell case 200.00, strap, ex strings, tuner fender, peavey amp heavy bass model. He changed his mind, since your going to play it for Jesus you can have it all for free.

It was time for a upgrade and this time didn't have to pray for it. Played bass for Jesus 25 years. Now playing 12 string and would love a nice new model to bless the ears of many. would add, you you be amazed at the songs God gives. by the way, God bless with his love to all readers and my love to, I am not debating only testifying. I appreciate you all, and truly and sincerely love ya. oh forgot and got so excited, this is not a quick reply, but hope you are quickened by the Spirit.
 
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