The Prosperity Gospel

[brodav9]

That's right. if God drops it on peoples hearts to give that is God doing it right. God doesn't drop anything out of heaven. One brother I used to travel with was approached by a brother. He said these keys are to the Lincoln continental parked outside. He deserved that car. he travels many miles to minister.

I do remember a testimony of a man who prayed for his multi acre farm. it was covered with grubb worms. He just continued his regular chores. one day his ground was to be inspected. the shovel was inserted and the grubb worms were all dead.

that job I had was a swimming pool place offer. Didn't have any idea it had a music store.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

One brother I used to travel with was approached by a brother. He said these keys are to the Lincoln continental parked outside. He deserved that car. he travels many miles to minister.

I'm curious. Does your church support missionaries working in Third World countries like mine does? If so, what kind of testimonies have they sent back as to what God's doing there?

SLE

 

[SpiritLedEd]

"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things." (Is 45:7 NIV)

Does any prosperity gospel preacher ever preach on verses like this one? How does a prosperity preacher explain his gospel beliefs to followers whose palatial homes in Orange County, California were reduced to ashes in forest fires whipped along by Santa Ana winds or whose homes were turned to rubble by unanticipated earthquakes anywhere in the world?

SLE

 

[shipwrecksoul]

I knew this man and wife after being a missionary in Africa for about 30+ years now retiring come to our church and he was in meeting with the Pastors. This missionary was so grateful that they would receive $700.00 a month from the Government. I was listening to him share this with the other men in the room, Pastors. One of the Pastors made $300,000 a year + 401k with ALL the trimmings. Another made easily over $200,000 + ALL the trimmings and two other Pastors making over $150,000 a year All working in the same church. By the way they have a whole lot of other pastors all get all the trimmings.
When this missionary shared his gratefulness to God I left the room in disgust, knowing how much the others were making.
To take the liberty for just a moment I will chat with sarcasm for the next sentence or two.
These Pastors need our prayers to help them send their kids to Oxford and Yale colleges, in actuality they did. These Pastors need our prayers and our tithes to further advance their kingdom of wealth to remove the word called gluttony!

But with that said we need not worry because the books will be opened and every man shall receive accordingly. God does not forget.
Let us hold fast Holding forth the word of life; that we may rejoice in the day of Christ, that we have not run in vain, neither labored in vain.

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Update!

I just heard that the church where all that money is helping those rich Pastors, in dire straights, is in financial need. You see they only pulled in $25,000 dollars from last weeks tithe, they need $36,000 dollars at least a week to provide for the exuberant amount of cash for those Pastors to become wealthy. Will anyone lead a prayer Virgil to help these poor and needy rich Pastors make more?
Again sorry for the sarcasm but this is what goes on in churches today!

(read my above post to understand this post)

 

[SpiritLedEd]

These Pastors need our prayers to help them send their kids to Oxford and Yale colleges, in actuality they did. These Pastors need our prayers and our tithes to further advance their kingdom of wealth to remove the word called gluttony!

Do you have proof that these pastors funded their kids' college educations at high priced schools strictly out of those salaries? My pastor's father was a rich, honest, and generous Christian businessman who divided his assets among his six children upon his death. With that inheritance and lots of sacrifice, my pastor and his wife, neither of whom adhere to the prosperity gospel, supported their children financially and built a nice home in an upscale middle class neighborhood. None of this was paid for out of church funds.

SLE

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Prosperity Gospel = get quick rich scheme I guess.

 

[shipwrecksoul]

SpiritledEd do you think pastors should receive 300 400 500 600 thousands of dollars a year? I don't.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

SpiritledEd do you think pastors should receive 300 400 500 600 thousands of dollars a year? I don't.

In your rage against pastors at one congregation, you're throwing mud all over other pastors in other congregations who do not deserve it. Is that Christlike thinking/behavior?

SLE

 

[Ophel]

SpiritledEd do you think pastors should receive 300 400 500 600 thousands of dollars a year? I don't.

Some pastors deserve it. In fact, all great ones deserve a lot more than they actually do receive.

1 Timothy 5:17
Elders who do their work well should be respected and paid well, especially those who work hard at both preaching and teaching.

 

[Boanerges]

The majority of Pastors work full time jobs to support themselves. Others Pastor larger flocks and for the most part are on call 24/7.
Personally, I think it is better to pray for these fellow believers than to sling mud and Pastor is at best a difficult and demanding job.

Just one more thought: those folks who sit in the audience and hear about gold coins and Cadillacs (in the really far out ministries) are not really seeking God anyway. If God is really what they are after they will find Him and move on. If all they want is to feed their flesh then they have their reward.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

One brother I used to travel with was approached by a brother. He said these keys are to the Lincoln continental parked outside. He deserved that car. he travels many miles to minister.

I'm curious about the phrase he deserved that car. I can understand making use of a comfortable car when you take long trips on business and being grateful for it, but, what did he do to deserve it?

SLE

 

[shipwrecksoul]

In your rage against pastors at one congregation, you're throwing mud all over other pastors in other congregations who do not deserve it. Is that Christlike thinking/behavior?

SLE

Again thanks Spiritleded. I did not receive your reply in my email to this post. Sorry that I did not respond sooner. And no I dont want to throw mud on believers who have been called by God as pastors!

This was posted under ethics and morality yes?

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Just curious

The majority of Pastors work full time jobs to support themselves. Others Pastor larger flocks and for the most part are on call 24/7.
Personally, I think it is better to pray for these fellow believers than to sling mud and Pastor is at best a difficult and demanding job.

Just one more thought: those folks who sit in the audience and hear about gold coins and Cadillacs (in the really far out ministries) are not really seeking God anyway. If God is really what they are after they will find Him and move on. If all they want is to feed their flesh then they have their reward.

Just curious, if a pastor has been called by God why would their job be difficult if God is supplying their need for them to trust in him. Does not God bring everything into our lives anyway to build, mold, our faith? Just curious.
Are you also saying brothers and sisters which received different gifts from God other than the call of pastor but the call of an exhorter or administrator or teacher or evangelist or prophecy etc. are not in Gods call to minister to others in the body of believers to share the workload as well? These gifts are for the body i thought and not just the pastor. Or are you saying everything is up to the pastor to do everything 24/7 without the body of believers who are called by God to be there too? Just curious.

 

[shipwrecksoul]

In your rage against pastors at one congregation, you're throwing mud all over other pastors in other congregations who do not deserve it. Is that Christlike thinking/behavior?

SLE

Not rage Spiritled ed but since this is a post of the prosperity Gospel under ethics and morality I brought up the fact of this post on pastors because in seed form, prosperity gospel, it gets started somewhere. So the post basically is if you fall I fall and if I fall others fall and if others fall the name of Christ is reproach in front of others. So its not being self righteous but having righteous introspection of ones heart, this means everyone so dont be narrow minded, to not let these vices overcome us. I used those examples of that one church in their wrong approach, that I have seen (and others like me), because this has been seen in countless churches across the world. So the mud is already there it does not need me the world see's it already.
The bible verse says "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of ____: and if it first begin at____" , what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? fill in the blanks!

 

[Ophel]

My pastor's last car was a Lexus. He is wholly serving God and is a man worthy of emulation by all. Do I begrudge him something lovely to drive? Has God not blessed His servants with top-notch chariots?

I should think He has and still does--and always will!

Psalm 112:1-3
1 Praise the Lord! How joyful are those who fear the Lord
and delight in obeying his commands.
2 Their children will be successful everywhere;
an entire generation of godly people will be blessed.
3 They themselves will be wealthy,
and their good deeds will last forever.

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Because of my exalted position and the necessity for the need of my social standing to be that above my peers I humbly get on my knee's and ask the Lord for a new Lexus because a new Impala will not do. Please please dont let me put a stumbling block before my children and others.

 

[Ophel]

Because of my exalted position and the necessity for the need of my social standing to be that above my peers I humbly get on my knee's and ask the Lord for a new Lexus because a new Impala will not do. Please please dont let me put a stumbling block before my children and others.

How jaded. I see the mud.

 

[Boanerges]

Just curious, if a pastor has been called by God why would their job be difficult if God is supplying their need for them to trust in him. Does not God bring everything into our lives anyway to build, mold, our faith? Just curious.
Are you also saying brothers and sisters which received different gifts from God other than the call of pastor but the call of an exhorter or administrator or teacher or evangelist or prophecy etc. are not in Gods call to minister to others in the body of believers to share the workload as well? These gifts are for the body i thought and not just the pastor. Or are you saying everything is up to the pastor to do everything 24/7 without the body of believers who are called by God to be there too? Just curious.

I think you like to argue.

 

[shipwrecksoul]

I think you like to argue.

No, in fact I had 4 friend pastors read that reply , asking them if its ok!
I cheated.