The Sabbath

[Deeper]

so, who thinks it's ok to break the ten commandments say "I!" The last time I checked, we as Christians are to follow the ten commandments, which contains a commandment on the Sabbath. Paul never said "get rid of the law (the ten commandments) becasue your under love" no, in fact he says not to do that because most people twist the scriptures. Jesus FULFILLED the law through/be/with love. He didn't get rid of the law, if we had no law we would not know sin, again one of Paul's messages.

so, who thinks it's ok to break the ten commandments say "I!"

 

[jiggyfly]

Colossians 2:16&17
16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new-moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules were only shadows of the real thing, Christ himself.


Hebrews 8:13
When God speaks of a new covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and ready to be put aside.

 

[Deeper]

sure, don't let me condemn you for what you do or do not keep, I just want to ask what everyone thinks about the ten commandments. Now many people keep the Sabbath in different ways, so it's not like their is a certain thing you have to do. In my house, my parents decided that all media would go off. Now is that anywhere in the Bible, no. we are told however to remember the Sabbath, which comes from God Himself, and to keep it holy. That's merely what I am trying to say.

The pharisees had all these laws that one must keep on the Sabbath or else they are sinning, but God said to remember it and Keep it holy. Jesus did many things contrary to the sack religious Pharisaical traditions of men in which the pharisees then said He is a sinner for doing it. Many times we read about Paul and peter and Stephen and Jesus going into the Synagogue on the Sabbath, and that may take as a form of keeping the Sabbath holy.

End result, remember the Sabbath. There are many ways to keep it holy and so on.

 

[jiggyfly]

I don't observe any sabbath days, it is an old covenant practice just like tithing.

 

[spirit1st]

The ten commandment were not the full TRUTh.
The full TRUTH is JESUS CHRIST .He is who we are to LIVE UNDER .
His way is LOVE and FAITH.

Now the TRUTH is? Under LOVE, Which is the fulfillment of the LAW is REALLY GREATER than the ten commandment.

At SALVATION ? We put ourselves aside , We give HIm everything we have and are!


We turn our desires toward HIm, Which means we GIVE ourselves to HIm , Every day and every part of our lives!

His obeyed HIM ,out of force in the OLD TESTAMENT !

In the NEW? We give HIm our LOVE and being 24/7

The Question should be?

Are we going to live under force or freedom !

Are we serving HIM out of LOVE and obeying HIM ?
Or are we doing these things out of LAW [Which is force ?

Many cannot see the difference ?

But , it goes to our motives [reason ]

Why we are SERVING HIm.
You see if we are doing it as they did in the old testament? then , there was no use for the LORD!

We are saying, I reject YOUR acts and Saving GRACE and are still under the old covenant and do not accept the NEW covenant , Which YOU ARE!

HE is the NEW TESTAMENT .The fullness of the law.
Not the in part law. But the ETERNAL LAWS.


This is a great problem in the churches today?
Are we accepting HIM as the NEW TESTAMENT or are we Still living the old?


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

WE MUST ASK our selves? Is there REALLY A CHANGE?
And if we agree with this scripture?
What is that change?

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

The Question becomes?
Is this scripture TRUTH or a lie?

Does just LOVE really fulfill the entire LAW of the old testament???

If we LOVE?
Then of course we will LOVE GOD above ourselves
We will not kill
We will not steal
We will not try and defile our neighbor things

We basicly do the ten commandments
,But of course once we give HIM ,our selves 24/7
We cannot set a day aside as if it has more meaning ,than the other 6 days . Because we have given HIM &days , 24 hours a day.


How could we say, we give you more one day ,than the other 6 days.
As if we are given HIM less for 6 days . then more the 7th??


Now it is true? We could set a certain day or days each week or month to fast or put our flesh now for HIM.

Because , HE said? WE WOULD FAST !

So this is a time of suffering and putting our flesh , down to allow our heart [SPIRIT] to get in perfect tune with HIm , That we can be Much more affective for HIM


Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
LOTS of people do not understand? This is our spirit, HE wanting us walking and living though.


Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.


Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
So we see ?Hopefully? Our Spirit has a mind !
What mind would it have???

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

This MIND is not in our outward mind !

So it MUST be in our NEW CREATURE
Our Spirit !
At BORN - AGAIN

 

[Deeper]

I don't observe any sabbath days, it is an old covenant practice just like tithing.

Are you sure Tithing is an old covenant? I would suggest you read Acts then (New Testament) Do you know what Jesus said?

Mathew 23:23
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

What should we ought to have done? Tithe. without leaving what undone? the weightier matters of what? the law which are Justice and Mercy and faith. Tithe is not an old covenant.

 

[Deeper]

The ten commandment were not the full TRUTh.
The full TRUTH is JESUS CHRIST .He is who we are to LIVE UNDER .
His way is LOVE and FAITH.

Now the TRUTH is? Under LOVE, Which is the fulfillment of the LAW is REALLY GREATER than the ten commandment.

At SALVATION ? We put ourselves aside , We give HIm everything we have and are!


We turn our desires toward HIm, Which means we GIVE ourselves to HIm , Every day and every part of our lives!

His obeyed HIM ,out of force in the OLD TESTAMENT !

In the NEW? We give HIm our LOVE and being 24/7

The Question should be?

Are we going to live under force or freedom !

Are we serving HIM out of LOVE and obeying HIM ?
Or are we doing these things out of LAW [Which is force ?

Many cannot see the difference ?

But , it goes to our motives [reason ]

Why we are SERVING HIm.
You see if we are doing it as they did in the old testament? then , there was no use for the LORD!

We are saying, I reject YOUR acts and Saving GRACE and are still under the old covenant and do not accept the NEW covenant , Which YOU ARE!

HE is the NEW TESTAMENT .The fullness of the law.
Not the in part law. But the ETERNAL LAWS.


This is a great problem in the churches today?
Are we accepting HIM as the NEW TESTAMENT or are we Still living the old?


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

WE MUST ASK our selves? Is there REALLY A CHANGE?
And if we agree with this scripture?
What is that change?

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

The Question becomes?
Is this scripture TRUTH or a lie?

Does just LOVE really fulfill the entire LAW of the old testament???

If we LOVE?
Then of course we will LOVE GOD above ourselves
We will not kill
We will not steal
We will not try and defile our neighbor things

We basicly do the ten commandments
,But of course once we give HIM ,our selves 24/7
We cannot set a day aside as if it has more meaning ,than the other 6 days . Because we have given HIM &days , 24 hours a day.


How could we say, we give you more one day ,than the other 6 days.
As if we are given HIM less for 6 days . then more the 7th??


Now it is true? We could set a certain day or days each week or month to fast or put our flesh now for HIM.

Because , HE said? WE WOULD FAST !

So this is a time of suffering and putting our flesh , down to allow our heart [SPIRIT] to get in perfect tune with HIm , That we can be Much more affective for HIM


Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
LOTS of people do not understand? This is our spirit, HE wanting us walking and living though.


Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.


Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
So we see ?Hopefully? Our Spirit has a mind !
What mind would it have???

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

This MIND is not in our outward mind !

So it MUST be in our NEW CREATURE
Our Spirit !
At BORN - AGAIN

I don't disagree, but your missing the point. Love Fulfills the law, it doesn't get rid of the law. I don't think you understand. If we as Christians act in perfect love, we won't break the law of God. You see, love doesn't steal, doesn't boast, it always prefers, and so on. Love fulfills the law in that perfect love never breaks the law, but because we are sinful we break the law. Jesus was and will only be the only Man ever to fulfill the law perfectly becasue He IS love. do you see?

Paul Goes on to talk about how when the law came it revealed the sin therefor creating death and how the law is good. Now please to do not, do not, take my words out of context. we are under grace but grace does not give us a license to act as though we have no law to abide by, that's called lawlessness or being without law.

Romans 7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”[a] 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Jesus said explains something to a lawyer here:

34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[d] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[e] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

The law and the prophets hang on the commandment of love. do you see, love does not negate the law, it fulfills it. Many people seem to not see that.

Jesus says in Mark

He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.

The Sabbath is not a tradition, it's a commandment by God twisted by men. I am not saying you are going to hell for not keeping the Sabbath. You do what you want.

Check this out in Luke:

And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Because they walked in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blamelessly, they were both righteous before God. There's nothing wrong with holding to the commandments of God.

Jesus said this:

“If you love Me, keep My commandments...He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”...If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

I though love fulfilled the law so we don't have to obey the law because we're under grace? no. IF you love God you will keep His commandments because love wouldn't break the commandments. You see? Jesus Himself said "Keep my commandments" and what are those? He lists them to the man who calls Him "good teacher" among many that He lists

To make my point clear, I will close with this truth:
Romans 9

For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

[spirit1st]

JESUS said , Some things for the times HE lived in the flesh ,IN
Other things were after HE became the NEW TESTAMENT.

Many cannot see this TRUTH!

The NEW testament way ,is to give as we want, or are led by the HOLY GHOST out of LOVE!

2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

Of course our Reaping , is mainly in the ETERNAL.


Mat 6:18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

 

[jiggyfly]

Are you sure Tithing is an old covenant? I would suggest you read Acts then (New Testament) Do you know what Jesus said?



What should we ought to have done? Tithe. without leaving what undone? the weightier matters of what? the law which are Justice and Mercy and faith. Tithe is not an old covenant.

Yep I am quite sure.

 

[Deeper]

Yep I am quite sure.

Then I would have to say that according to Jesus, God, and the New Testament, you are wrong, with all respect.

Matthew 22:
15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted how they might entangle Him in His talk. 16 And they sent to Him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that You are true, and teach the way of God in truth; nor do You care about anyone, for You do not regard the person of men. 17 Tell us, therefore, what do You think? Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?”
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, “Why do you test Me, you hypocrites? 19 Show Me the tax money.”
So they brought Him a denarius.
20 And He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?”
21 They said to Him, “Caesar’s.”
And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” 22 When they had heard these words, they marveled, and left Him and went their way.


Matthew 23:23
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

Luke
“But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone."



IF we love, we fulfill what? the law. So yes, we are to follow the law. and if we love, we fulfill the law because love does not hurt his brother. Read Romans, Acts and Matthew.

 

[Faithful Son]

It would be so much nicer if things could be kept on topic

 

[Brian]

The ten commandment were not the full TRUTh.
The full TRUTH is JESUS CHRIST .He is who we are to LIVE UNDER .
His way is LOVE and FAITH.

Now the TRUTH is? Under LOVE, Which is the fulfillment of the LAW is REALLY GREATER than the ten commandment.

At SALVATION ? We put ourselves aside , We give HIm everything we have and are!


We turn our desires toward HIm, Which means we GIVE ourselves to HIm , Every day and every part of our lives!

His obeyed HIM ,out of force in the OLD TESTAMENT !

In the NEW? We give HIm our LOVE and being 24/7

The Question should be?

Are we going to live under force or freedom !

Are we serving HIM out of LOVE and obeying HIM ?
Or are we doing these things out of LAW [Which is force ?

Many cannot see the difference ?

But , it goes to our motives [reason ]

Why we are SERVING HIm.
You see if we are doing it as they did in the old testament? then , there was no use for the LORD!

We are saying, I reject YOUR acts and Saving GRACE and are still under the old covenant and do not accept the NEW covenant , Which YOU ARE!

HE is the NEW TESTAMENT .The fullness of the law.
Not the in part law. But the ETERNAL LAWS.


This is a great problem in the churches today?
Are we accepting HIM as the NEW TESTAMENT or are we Still living the old?


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

WE MUST ASK our selves? Is there REALLY A CHANGE?
And if we agree with this scripture?
What is that change?

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

The Question becomes?
Is this scripture TRUTH or a lie?

Does just LOVE really fulfill the entire LAW of the old testament???

If we LOVE?
Then of course we will LOVE GOD above ourselves
We will not kill
We will not steal
We will not try and defile our neighbor things

We basicly do the ten commandments
,But of course once we give HIM ,our selves 24/7
We cannot set a day aside as if it has more meaning ,than the other 6 days . Because we have given HIM &days , 24 hours a day.


How could we say, we give you more one day ,than the other 6 days.
As if we are given HIM less for 6 days . then more the 7th??


Now it is true? We could set a certain day or days each week or month to fast or put our flesh now for HIM.

Because , HE said? WE WOULD FAST !

So this is a time of suffering and putting our flesh , down to allow our heart [SPIRIT] to get in perfect tune with HIm , That we can be Much more affective for HIM


Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
LOTS of people do not understand? This is our spirit, HE wanting us walking and living though.


Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.


Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
So we see ?Hopefully? Our Spirit has a mind !
What mind would it have???

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

This MIND is not in our outward mind !

So it MUST be in our NEW CREATURE
Our Spirit !
At BORN - AGAIN

Have you ever really looked at those commandments??? They reflect the ...character of Jesus...perfectly. In fact Jesus challenged us all to prove we love him. Words are easy...even He knew that...so...He said ...If you ...really..really..really love me???? Well , look up the verse. It is hated by many and ignored by most. John 14:15

 

[jiggyfly]

Have you ever really looked at those commandments??? They reflect the ...character of Jesus...perfectly. In fact Jesus challenged us all to prove we love him. Words are easy...even He knew that...so...He said ...If you ...really..really..really love me???? Well , look up the verse. It is hated by many and ignored by most. John 14:15

Brian, do you understand what a covenant is? Have you ever wondered why there is an old covenant and a new covenant and considered the differences between them? Many people today try to relate to God in a way that is patterned after the guidelines in the old covenant and yet believe they are part of the new covenant. Paul gave very stern warning about this very thing.


Galatians 3:2-5
2 Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by keeping the law? Of course not, for the Holy Spirit came upon you only after you believed the message you heard about Christ. 3 Have you lost your senses? After starting your Christian lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort? 4 You have suffered so much for the Good News. Surely it was not in vain, was it? Are you now going to just throw it all away?
5 I ask you again, does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law of Moses? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.

Galatians 4:24-31
24 Now these two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. Hagar, the slave-wife, represents Mount Sinai where people first became enslaved to the law. 25 And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery. 26 But Sarah, the free woman, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. And she is our mother. 27 That is what Isaiah meant when he prophesied,
“Rejoice, O childless woman!
Break forth into loud and joyful song,
even though you never gave birth to a child.
For the woman who could bear no children
now has more than all the other women!”*
28 And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise, just like Isaac. 29 And we who are born of the Holy Spirit are persecuted by those who want us to keep the law, just as Isaac, the child of promise, was persecuted by Ishmael, the son of the slave-wife.
30 But what do the Scriptures say about that? “Get rid of the slave and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the family inheritance with the free woman’s son.”* 31 So, dear brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, obligated to the law. We are children of the free woman, acceptable to God because of our faith.

Galatians 5:1-6
1 So Christ has really set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.
2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ cannot help you. 3 I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey all of the regulations in the whole law of Moses. 4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.
5 But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive everything promised to us who are right with God through faith. 6 For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, it makes no difference to God whether we are circumcised or not circumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.

2Corinthians 3:7-18
7 That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant. 11 So if the old covenant, which has been set aside, was full of glory, then the new covenant, which remains forever, has far greater glory.
12 Since this new covenant gives us such confidence, we can be very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory fading away. 14 But the people’s minds were hardened, and even to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, a veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. 15 Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.
16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, then the veil is taken away. 17 Now, the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, he gives freedom. 18 And all of us have had that veil removed so that we can be mirrors that brightly reflect* the glory of the Lord. And as the Spirit of the Lord works within us, we become more and more like him and reflect his glory even more.



Hebrews 8:7-13
7 If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. 8 But God himself found fault with the old one when he said:
“The day will come, says the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel and Judah.
9 This covenant will not be like the one
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
and led them out of the land of Egypt.
They did not remain faithful to my covenant,
so I turned my back on them, says the Lord.
10 But this is the new covenant I will make
with the people of Israel on that day, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their minds
so they will understand them,
and I will write them on their hearts
so they will obey them.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 And they will not need to teach their neighbors,
nor will they need to teach their family,
saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’
For everyone, from the least to the greatest,
will already know me.
12 And I will forgive their wrongdoings,
and I will never again remember their sins.”*
13 When God speaks of a new covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and ready to be put aside.

 

[Deeper]

God:
Exodus 20:6
but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Jesus:
Matthew 19:17
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
[whoa, wait, what!? Why is Jesus telling me to keep the commandments if I want to enter life since there an old covenant law? maybe it's because He doesn't want us to throw them out? Ya paul backs that thought up too]

Jesus:
John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments."
[whoa, wait, what!? Why is Jesus telling me that if I love Him I'll keep His commandments? I thought the commandments were outdated OT material? Obviously that's not the case.]

Jesus (again):
John 14:21
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
[whoa, wait, what!? Why does Jesus keep telling me to keep His commandments? Everyone keeps telling me they're old and don't need to be followed!? why is Jesus saying one thing, the only WISE King as referred to in Revelation when other people are saying just the opposite? maybe it's because people don't want to have to follow any commandments?]

Jesus:
John 15:10
"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."
[whoa, wait, what!? I am not even going to say anymore, you should already know what I am going to say.]

Paul:
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters."
[whoa, wait, who said what!? ya, Paul did. He said "Keeping the commandments of God is what matters." many would say then "well, now he's just contradicting himself." on the contrary, he's said many times as Jesus has. Love is the fullfilment of what, the law. When we love we automatically are keeping the commandments. The commandments are not outdated are not old nor do they just apply to the old OT'ers way back when. Jesus expounds on it, Paul does in turn]

Other Scriptures:
1 John 2:3
[ The Test of Knowing Him ] Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

1 John 2:4
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[so wait, if I say the commandments are for the OT'ers and I don't keep them yet I profess to know God I am a liar? I guess that would be the case and that's a scary thought since we all know what Revelation 21:8 says about liars]

1 John 3:22
And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

1 John 3:24
[ The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Error ] Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.


The point that I am trying to make is that by Loving, we keep the commandments. When we don't love, we don't fulfill the law, or keep the law. Guys, it's in the scriptures. Love is the fulfillment of the law. we are to love one another, and by loving one another we keep His commandments because why? Because Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails.(1 Corinthians 13; also Romans 13:8 "Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.")

 

[jiggyfly]

God:
Exodus 20:6
but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Jesus:
Matthew 19:17
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
[whoa, wait, what!? Why is Jesus telling me to keep the commandments if I want to enter life since there an old covenant law? maybe it's because He doesn't want us to throw them out? Ya paul backs that thought up too]

Jesus:
John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments."
[whoa, wait, what!? Why is Jesus telling me that if I love Him I'll keep His commandments? I thought the commandments were outdated OT material? Obviously that's not the case.]

Jesus (again):
John 14:21
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
[whoa, wait, what!? Why does Jesus keep telling me to keep His commandments? Everyone keeps telling me they're old and don't need to be followed!? why is Jesus saying one thing, the only WISE King as referred to in Revelation when other people are saying just the opposite? maybe it's because people don't want to have to follow any commandments?]

Jesus:
John 15:10
"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."
[whoa, wait, what!? I am not even going to say anymore, you should already know what I am going to say.]

Paul:
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters."
[whoa, wait, who said what!? ya, Paul did. He said "Keeping the commandments of God is what matters." many would say then "well, now he's just contradicting himself." on the contrary, he's said many times as Jesus has. Love is the fullfilment of what, the law. When we love we automatically are keeping the commandments. The commandments are not outdated are not old nor do they just apply to the old OT'ers way back when. Jesus expounds on it, Paul does in turn]

Other Scriptures:
1 John 2:3
[ The Test of Knowing Him ] Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

1 John 2:4
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[so wait, if I say the commandments are for the OT'ers and I don't keep them yet I profess to know God I am a liar? I guess that would be the case and that's a scary thought since we all know what Revelation 21:8 says about liars]

1 John 3:22
And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

1 John 3:24
[ The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Error ] Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.


The point that I am trying to make is that by Loving, we keep the commandments. When we don't love, we don't fulfill the law, or keep the law. Guys, it's in the scriptures. Love is the fulfillment of the law. we are to love one another, and by loving one another we keep His commandments because why? Because Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails.(1 Corinthians 13; also Romans 13:8 "Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.")

You seem to be very confused about the covenants and which is old and which is new.

 

[Deeper]

I actually I am not confused at all Some people think becasue Jesus came and fulfilled the law, that He destroyed the law; this is not so.

 

[jiggyfly]

I actually I am not confused at all Some people think becasue Jesus came and fulfilled the law, that He destroyed the law; this is not so.

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but please refrain from teaching or preaching sabbath keeping here at TJ. We don't want people to get caught up in bondage to the law. After all this is TalkJesus not talklaw , talksabbath or talkreligion.

 

[Deeper]

I really don't appreciate your inferring differently about what I have said. I would please ask that you kindly go back and read what I put about keeping the Sabbath. I know what Paul has said about not letting anyone condemn for the sabbaths you do or do not keep. However, someone mentioned that the law in general is an old covenant that does not have to be followed. So I quoted God, Jesus, and Paul to show that we are to keep the law (the ten commandments) and that when we love we fulfill that law. IF it is in fact an old covenant, then by all means, please, let's not say to each other that it's a sin to be an adultery or even a murderer. Where your theology is, your morals will lye.

Please understand me in my latest post. You may not have read what we were sub-discussing. I don't like you inferring that I am teaching bondage to the law, that is quite the reading between the lines.

 

[Coconut]

Christ summed up the ten commandments of the Old Covenant in the New Covenant at Matthew 22, when Jesus was confronted by the religious "experts" of the day:

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

A reflective reading of Christ's teaching reveals that the first four commandments given to the children of Israel are contained in the statement: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." It continues that the last six commandments are enclosed in the statement: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'
"Love your neighbor as yourself."

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'
"Love your neighbor as yourself."

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
"Love your neighbor as yourself."

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'
"Love your neighbor as yourself."

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
"Love your neighbor as yourself."

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
"Love your neighbor as yourself."

Luk 1:68 "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people and has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David, as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old, that we should be saved from our enemies and from the hand of all who hate us; to show the mercy promised to our fathers and to remember his holy covenant, the oath that he swore to our father Abraham, to grant us that we, being delivered from the hand of our enemies, might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him all our days.



Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law.

 

[jiggyfly]

Deeper do you know what a covenant is? It is a contract or agreement. Once a contract or agreement is fulfilled is it still binding? Jesus fulfilled the old covenant which includes all the law. Paul said if we walk according to the Spirit we wont bear the works of the flesh.
If you were to borrow from a bank and you completely fulfilled your agreement with them would you continue to make payments???


Deeper you stated;

End result, remember the Sabbath. There are many ways to keep it holy and so on.

So it is up to the individual how he/she wants to keep the sabbath, do you have any scripture to support it?

Didn't Paul say that the sabbath was just a shadow of Christ?