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The Scientific Case Against Evolution - Part 2

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Evolution Could Never Happen at All

The main scientific reason why there is no evidence for evolution in either the present or the past (except in the creative imagination of evolutionary scientists) is because one of the most fundamental laws of nature precludes it. The law of increasing entropy -- also known as the second law of thermodynamics -- stipulates that all systems in the real world tend to go "downhill," as it were, toward disorganization and decreased complexity. This law of entropy is, by any measure, one of the most universal, bestproved laws of nature. It applies not only in physical and chemical systems, but also in biological and geological systems -- in fact, in all systems, without exception.

"No exception to the second law of thermodynamics has ever been found -- not even a tiny one. Like conservation of energy (the "first law"), the existence of a law so precise and so independent of details of models must have a logical foundation that is independent of the fact that matter is composed of interacting particles."

The author of this quote is referring primarily to physics, but he does point out that the second law is "independent of details of models." Besides, practically all evolutionary biologists are reductionists -- that is, they insist that there are no "vitalist" forces in living systems, and that all biological processes are explicable in terms of physics and chemistry. That being the case, biological processes also must operate in accordance with the laws of thermodynamics, and practically all biologists acknowledge this. Evolutionists commonly insist, however, that evolution is a fact anyhow, and that the conflict is resolved by noting that the earth is an "open system," with the incoming energy from the sun able to sustain evolution throughout the geological ages in spite of the natural tendency of all systems to deteriorate toward disorganization. That is how an evolutionary entomologist has dismissed W. A. Dembski's impressive recent book, Intelligent Design. This scientist defends what he thinks is "natural processes' ability to increase complexity" by noting what he calls a "flaw" in "the arguments against evolution based on the second law of thermodynamics." And what is this flaw?

"Although the overall amount of disorder in a closed system cannot decrease, local order within a larger system can increase even without the actions of an intelligent agent."

This naive response to the entropy law is typical of evolutionary dissimulation. While it is true that local order can increase in an open system if certain conditions are met, the fact is that evolution does not meet those conditions. Simply saying that the earth is open to the energy from the sun says nothing about how that raw solar heat is converted into increased complexity in any system, open or closed. The fact is that the best known and most fundamental equation of thermodynamics says that the influx of heat into an open system will increase the entropy of that system, not decrease it. All known cases of decreased entropy (or increased organization) in open systems involve a guiding program of some sort and one or more energy conversion mechanisms. Evolution has neither of these. Mutations are not "organizing" mechanisms, but disorganizing (in accord with the second law). They are commonly harmful, sometimes neutral, but never beneficial (at least as far as observed mutations are concerned). Natural selection cannot generate order, but can only "sieve out" the disorganizing mutations presented to it, thereby conserving the existing order, but never generating new order. In principle, it may be barely conceivable that evolution could occur in open systems, in spite of the tendency of all systems to disintegrate sooner or later. But no one yet has been able to show that it actually has the ability to overcome this universal tendency, and that is the basic reason why there is still no bona fide proof of evolution, past or present. From the statements of evolutionists themselves, therefore, we have learned that there is no real scientific evidence for real evolution. The only observable evidence is that of very limited horizontal (or downward) changes within strict limits.

Evolution is Religion -- Not Science

In no way does the idea of particles-to-people evolution meet the long-accepted criteria of a scientific theory. There are no such evolutionary transitions that have ever been observed in the fossil record of the past; and the universal law of entropy seems to make it impossible on any significant scale. Evolutionists claim that evolution is a scientific fact, but they almost always lose scientific debates with creationist scientists. Accordingly, most evolutionists now decline opportunities for scientific debates, preferring instead to make unilateral attacks on creationists.

"Scientists should refuse formal debates because they do more harm than good, but scientists still need to counter the creationist message."

The question is, just why do they need to counter the creationist message? Why are they so adamantly committed to anti-creationism? The fact is that evolutionists believe in evolution because they want to. It is their desire at all costs to explain the origin of everything without a Creator. Evolutionism is thus intrinsically an atheistic religion. Some may prefer to call it humanism, and "new age" evolutionists place it in the context of some form of pantheism, but they all amount to the same thing. Whether atheism or humanism (or even pantheism), the purpose is to eliminate a personal God from any active role in the origin of the universe and all its components, including man. The core of the humanistic philosophy is naturalism -- the proposition that the natural world proceeds according to its own internal dynamics, without divine or supernatural control or guidance, and that we human beings are creations of that process. It is instructive to recall that the philosophers of the early humanistic movement debated as to which term more adequately described their position: humanism or naturalism. The two concepts are complementary and inseparable. Since both naturalism and humanism exclude God from science or any other active function in the creation or maintenance of life and the universe in general, it is very obvious that their position is nothing but atheism. And atheism, no less than theism, is a religion! Even doctrinaire-atheistic evolutionist Richard Dawkins admits that atheism cannot be proved to be true.

"Of course we can't prove that there isn't a God."

Therefore, they must believe it, and that makes it a religion. The atheistic nature of evolution is not only admitted, but insisted upon by most of the leaders of evolutionary thought. Ernst Mayr, for example, says that:

"Darwinism rejects all supernatural phenomena and causations."

A professor in the Department of Biology at Kansas State University says:

"Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer, such a hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic."

It is well known by almost everyone in the scientific world today that such influential evolutionists as Stephen Jay Gould and Edward Wilson of Harvard, Richard Dawkins of England, William Provine of Cornell, and numerous other evolutionary spokesmen are dogmatic atheists. Eminent scientific philosopher and ardent Darwinian atheist Michael Ruse has even acknowledged that evolution is their religion! Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion -- a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality . . . . Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today. Another way of saying "religion" is "worldview," the whole of reality. The evolutionary worldview applies not only to the evolution of life, but even to that of the entire universe. In the realm of cosmic evolution, our naturalistic scientists depart even further from experimental science than life scientists do, manufacturing a variety of evolutionary cosmologies from esoteric mathematics and metaphysical speculation. Socialist Jeremy Rifkin has commented on this remarkable game. Cosmologies are made up of small snippets of physical reality that have been remodeled by society into vast cosmic deceptions. They must believe in evolution, therefore, in spite of all the evidence, not because of it. And speaking of deceptions, note the following remarkable statement.

"We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, . . . in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated commitment to materialism. . . . we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door."

The author of this frank statement is Richard Lewontin of Harvard. Since evolution is not a laboratory science, there is no way to test its validity, so all sorts of justso stories are contrived to adorn the textbooks. But that doesn't make them true! An evolutionist reviewing a recent book by another (but more critical) evolutionist, says:

"We cannot identify ancestors or "missing links," and we cannot devise testable theories to explain how particular episodes of evolution came about. Gee is adamant that all the popular stories about how the first amphibians conquered the dry land, how the birds developed wings and feathers for flying, how the dinosaurs went extinct, and how humans evolved from apes are just products of our imagination, driven by prejudices and preconceptions."

A fascinatingly honest admission by a physicist indicates the passionate commitment of establishment scientists to naturalism. Speaking of the trust students naturally place in their highly educated college professors, he says:

"And I use that trust to effectively brainwash them. . . . our teaching methods are primarily those of propaganda. We appeal -- without demonstration -- to evidence that supports our position. We only introduce arguments and evidence that supports the currently accepted theories and omit or gloss over any evidence to the contrary."

Creationist students in scientific courses taught by evolutionist professors can testify to the frustrating reality of that statement. Evolution is, indeed, the pseudoscientific basis of religious atheism, as Ruse pointed out. Will Provine at Cornell University is another scientist who frankly acknowledges this.

"As the creationists claim, belief in modern evolution makes atheists of people. One can have a religious view that is compatible with evolution only if the religious view is indistinguishable from atheism."

Once again, we emphasize that evolution is not science, evolutionists' tirades notwithstanding. It is a philosophical worldview, nothing more. (Evolution) must, they feel, explain everything. . . . A theory that explains everything might just as well be discarded since it has no real explanatory value. Of course, the other thing about evolution is that anything can be said because very little can be disproved. Experimental evidence is minimal. Even that statement is too generous. Actual experimental evidence demonstrating true evolution (that is, macroevolution) is not "minimal." It is nonexistent! The concept of evolution as a form of religion is not new. In my book, The Long War Against God,32 I documented the fact that some form of evolution has been the pseudo-rationale behind every anti-creationist religion since the very beginning of history. This includes all the ancient ethnic religions, as well as such modern world religions as Buddhism, Hinduism, and others, as well as the "liberal" movements in even the creationist religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam). As far as the twentieth century is concerned, the leading evolutionist is generally considered to be Sir Julian Huxley, primary architect of modern neo-Darwinism. Huxley called evolution a "religion without revelation" and wrote a book with that title (2nd edition, 1957). In a later book, he said:

"Evolution . . . is the most powerful and the most comprehensive idea that has ever arisen on earth."

Later in the book he argued passionately that we must change "our pattern of religious thought from a God-centered to an evolution-centered pattern." Then he went on to say that: "The God hypothesis . . . is becoming an intellectual and moral burden on our thought." Therefore, he concluded that "we must construct something to take its place." That something, of course, is the religion of evolutionary humanism, and that is what the leaders of evolutionary humanism are trying to do today. In closing this survey of the scientific case against evolution (and, therefore, for creation), the reader is reminded again that all quotations in the article are from doctrinaire evolutionists. No Bible references are included, and no statements by creationists. The evolutionists themselves, to all intents and purposes, have shown that evolutionism is not science, but religious faith in atheism.
 
Very good article! Thank you for this, God bless!

More then happy to share! :)

Please share this with people you know, or link to others online. We really need to share these facts. Genesis is the most ruthlessly attacked book in the Bible, as it's the foundation of all understanding in Christianity. The media and these detestable institutions will do anything to stop us getting this kind of information, and keep us ignorant of our true history, true science and chip away at our faith in the true words from our living Father in Heaven. It makes me sick.

God bless and take care


Marcus
 
Have you heard of the creationist Stephen C. Meyer? He has some very good cases that do prove this universe was intelligently designed. Also he has this book "Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design" which I think you would enjoy.
 
I don't believe that I've come across that name before, I'll definitely get hold of that book! Thanks for the recommendation
 
Evolution Could Never Happen at All

The main scientific reason why there is no evidence for evolution in either the present or the past (except in the creative imagination of evolutionary scientists) is because one of the most fundamental laws of nature precludes it. The law of increasing entropy -- also known as the second law of thermodynamics -- stipulates that all systems in the real world tend to go "downhill," as it were, toward disorganization and decreased complexity.

Actually, AC, not to nudge in - and I would love to talk to you about the other quotes from another perspective - but the second law of thermodynamics only applies to a closed system. Earth, as it applies to the argument, is not a closed system as our energy comes from the sun.

"The second law is an observation of the fact that over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and chemical potential tend to even out in a physical system that is isolated from the outside world." -- Wikipedia

The Earth is not exactly isolated from space; the imposed boundary is only imaginary and not absolute.
 
Well, it should come to no surprise that since man has reduced GOD to his image, physically speaking, that now he should reduce GOD to his intelligence. What design, it is simply the evolution of man's ignorance.

 
I have a question:

Why do you not like the idea of Evolution? Religion and Evolution are extremely compatible. After all, God wrote the rules and laws of the universe. Including evolution. Who knows if evolution is just God working the ropes behind the scenes? I am not threatening anyone with this question! It is just my opinion. Don't hate me.
 
Hello Theologian.

You said,

"Why do you not like the idea of Evolution? Religion and Evolution are extremely compatible. After all, God wrote the rules and laws of the universe. Including evolution. Who knows if evolution is just God working the ropes behind the scenes? I am not threatening anyone with this question! It is just my opinion. Don't hate me."

You said it yourself Theologian "the idea of Evolution", that is all it is and will ever be, an idea. Hitler and Stalin both had good ideas at the time. Why would anyone even bother with man's ideas they constantly require correction.

When will people see that all mankind's learning is based only on ideas. That is why i do not subscribe to many of these so called ideas. Science is sometimes interesting, but it is not the TRUTH.

I do not see you as a threat Theologian, i wish you knew Jesus and the power of the resurrection.

Mankind cannot prove or disprove the existence of God. Jesus Christ is the full revelation of God to mankind.
 
Evolution Could Never Happen at All

The main scientific reason why there is no evidence for evolution in either the present or the past (except in the creative imagination of evolutionary scientists) is because one of the most fundamental laws of nature precludes it.

Even if this were true (and it isn't) it would not make all the evidence for evolution we find in genetics, geology, biology, paleontology, archeology, etc. magically go away. At best this is an argument against evolution, and a bad one at that.

The law of increasing entropy -- also known as the second law of thermodynamics -- stipulates that all systems in the real world tend to go "downhill," as it were, toward disorganization and decreased complexity. This law of entropy is, by any measure, one of the most universal, bestproved laws of nature. It applies not only in physical and chemical systems, but also in biological and geological systems -- in fact, in all systems, without exception.

Amazingly wrong. Whomever is feeding you these lies is counting on you never having actually read about the 2nd law so that you wouldn't know that it only applies to closed systems into which no external energy is being applied. Notice how you don't immediately freeze to death as you read this? Almost as if there were a giant ball of hot plasma 93 million miles away providing energy to this planet?

Evolutionists commonly insist, however, that evolution is a fact anyhow, and that the conflict is resolved by noting that the earth is an "open system," with the incoming energy from the sun able to sustain evolution throughout the geological ages in spite of the natural tendency of all systems to deteriorate toward disorganization.

Well yes, seeing as that is in accordance to the actual 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Simply saying that the earth is open to the energy from the sun says nothing about how that raw solar heat is converted into increased complexity in any system, open or closed.

Dude. . .are you serious? "Photosynthesis": ever heard of it?

All known cases of decreased entropy (or increased organization) in open systems involve a guiding program of some sort and one or more energy conversion mechanisms. Evolution has neither of these.

Um. . .yes it most certainly does. Evolution occurs in living things which, by virtue of their being alive, must be able to either produce or consume energy.

Furthermore, I can decrease entropy by adding energy to my freezer and placing a cup of water in it for a few hours.

They are commonly harmful, sometimes neutral, but never beneficial (at least as far as observed mutations are concerned).

Except that we have observed beneficial mutations.

Reality > your assertions.

Natural selection cannot generate order, but can only "sieve out" the disorganizing mutations presented to it, thereby conserving the existing order, but never generating new order.

Random variation coupled with selection can, indeed, generate "order". What on earth do you think genetic algorithms are?


In no way does the idea of particles-to-people evolution meet the long-accepted criteria of a scientific theory.

Curiously the overwhelming majority of scientists (you know. . .those people who actually study this stuff) of all faiths and nationalities disagree.

There are no such evolutionary transitions that have ever been observed in the fossil record of the past;

You mean, besides the hundreds of transitional fossils and genetic evidence of transitions that scientists have so far discovered?

and the universal law of entropy seems to make it impossible on any significant scale.

You mean, besides the fact that it doesn't at all?

Evolutionists claim that evolution is a scientific fact, but they almost always lose scientific debates with creationist scientists. Accordingly, most evolutionists now decline opportunities for scientific debates, preferring instead to make unilateral attacks on creationists.

Scientists are often at a disadvantage in oral debates because the ToE is complicated whilst YEC is fairly simple. Notably, YEC's inevitably lose online/written debates where tactics such as the Gish Gallop are rendered useless.

he question is, just why do they need to counter the creationist message?

Because creationists have this annoying habit of trying to get their pseudoscience put into public science education, among other things.

The fact is that evolutionists believe in evolution because they want to. It is their desire at all costs to explain the origin of everything without a Creator.

What a truly amazing display of ignorance.

Since both naturalism and humanism exclude God from science or any other active function in the creation or maintenance of life and the universe in general, it is very obvious that their position is nothing but atheism.

You seem to be confusing methodological naturalism with philosophical naturalism and then projecting this confusion onto science.

It is well known by almost everyone in the scientific world today that such influential evolutionists as Stephen Jay Gould and Edward Wilson of Harvard, Richard Dawkins of England, William Provine of Cornell, and numerous other evolutionary spokesmen are dogmatic atheists.

It is equally well known that many influential evolutionists are also theists.

Bleh, your errors have at last exceeded my patience.





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Evolution has no proof, not in genetics, not in physics, nothing supports evolution on any level. That's why evolutionists lie and hide information from you. It takes an incredible fool to believe such a thing.

And to those Christians who say that there is no problem in believing in evolution. Well, for a start you are calling God a liar, you are saying that the Bible cannot be trusted, that it has no place in society today and that is preventing billions of people from ever securing their salvation. God gave you the account in His word, and it stands up to scrutiny.
 
I recommend that you develop your reading comprehension, for it has evaded you throughout your foray in the dark here. Alas I will help you, lest you be ensnared by your ignorance.

Even if this were true (and it isn't) it would not make all the evidence for evolution we find in genetics, geology, biology, paleontology, archeology, etc. magically go away. At best this is an argument against evolution, and a bad one at that.

A fact of genetics is that trait changes have a ceiling. This perhaps is the biggest obstacle to gradual change through micro-evolution. Each rung of DNA is made up of four chemicals called nucleotides, designated by the symbols: A (adenine), G (guanine), C (cytosine), and T (thymine). These rungs of DNA are combined to provide a blueprint of the traits that organism will have. If you took all the DNA in the human body and put it in written format, it would fill up one million volumes the size of a 500 page encyclopedia. With all this genetic data, if two people could have as many children as there are atoms in the universe, no two children would be identical. Though there are a limitless combinations of traits that we possess, there is a limit to how far each trait can change. There is a limit to the number of combinations of these chemicals; therefore there are a limited number of trait variations. No new genetic material can be added. Trait changes result in re-arranging the genetic code that is already present. Mixing the available genetic code will produce variations in the trait but will not change into a completely different feature. For example, your parents genes are combined to produce your various traits. People have several different colors of hair, eyes, and skin, but without a mutation, these traits will remain within its boundaries. There are mutations that can occur and mutations almost always cause diseases or defects. However, even under mutation, skin will still be skin and eyes will still be eyes. Because of the code barrier, there are a limited number of variations in eye color. Different genes can create distinct variations but there is a limit. There can be rapid changes but inevitably, there is a return to the norm.

Amazingly wrong. Whomever is feeding you these lies is counting on you never having actually read about the 2nd law so that you wouldn't know that it only applies to closed systems into which no external energy is being applied. Notice how you don't immediately freeze to death as you read this? Almost as if there were a giant ball of hot plasma 93 million miles away providing energy to this planet?

Open systems still have a tendency to disorder. There are special cases where local order can increase at the expense of greater disorder elsewhere. One case is crystallization. The other case is programmed machinery, that directs energy into maintaining and increasing complexity, at the expense of increased disorder elsewhere. Living things have such energy-converting machinery to make the complex structures of life.

The open systems argument does not help evolution. Raw energy cannot generate the specified complex information in living things. Undirected energy just speeds up destruction. Just standing out in the sun won’t make you more complex—the human body lacks the mechanisms to harness raw solar energy. If you stood in the sun too long, you would get skin cancer, because the sun’s undirected energy will cause mutations. (Mutations are copying errors in the genes that nearly always lose information). Similarly, undirected energy flow through an alleged primordial soup will break down the complex molecules of life faster than they are formed.

It’s like trying to run a car by pouring petrol on it and setting it alight. No, a car will run only if the energy in petrol is harnessed via the pistons, crankshaft, etc. A bull in a china shop is also raw energy. But if the bull were harnessed to a generator, and the electricity directed a pottery-producing machine, then its energy could be used to make things.

To make proteins, a cell uses the information coded in the DNA and a very complex decoding machine. In the lab, chemists must use sophisticated machinery to make the building blocks combine in the right way. Raw energy would result in wrong combinations and even destruction of the building blocks.

You've been beaten, your credibility shot. To those Christians here that are reading this mans words, be very wary of him. He feeds you lies, and will lead you away from God's teachings. Look to no man, look to your savior.
 
Evolution has no proof, not in genetics, not in physics, nothing supports evolution on any level. That's why evolutionists lie and hide information from you. It takes an incredible fool to believe such a thing.

And to those Christians who say that there is no problem in believing in evolution. Well, for a start you are calling God a liar, you are saying that the Bible cannot be trusted, that it has no place in society today and that is preventing billions of people from ever securing their salvation. God gave you the account in His word, and it stands up to scrutiny.

In your first paragraph, you talk about proof. Can you show me proof that the bible is true? It sucks to say, but you cannot and no one can. This is why our main element is FAITH and not research or "knowing". To condemn anything with the words that you have thrown out is pure blindness. Do not forget, people turn and bend scripture from the bible every single day. It has been like this from the start to gather power and to provoke wars.

There IS NOT a problem in believing in evolution and in Jesus Christ. You instantly dismiss the fact that tons of actions and things created by God can very well be explained by science. God invented the rainbow did he not? We know how the rainbow operates. More importantly God created humanity. We understand how to prolong life, stop sickness, safer birthing, and SO SO much more.

So what is your point? Evolution has no proof? Neither does the bible, yet we never deny it's truth. Evolutionists lie to us and hide information? So did the roman catholic church. How are we calling him a liar when we say he used evolution to create humanity? God uses science in every aspect of his creations, he himself created science. You limit Gods powers and says he can only simply create without explanation. The bible says NOTHING about evolution. It only says that we were created in a day. God could have just sped things up to instant.

It is possible that evolution was created by God as a tool.
 
In your first paragraph, you talk about proof. Can you show me proof that the bible is true? It sucks to say, but you cannot and no one can. This is why our main element is FAITH and not research or "knowing". To condemn anything with the words that you have thrown out is pure blindness. Do not forget, people turn and bend scripture from the bible every single day. It has been like this from the start to gather power and to provoke wars.

There IS NOT a problem in believing in evolution and in Jesus Christ. You instantly dismiss the fact that tons of actions and things created by God can very well be explained by science. God invented the rainbow did he not? We know how the rainbow operates. More importantly God created humanity. We understand how to prolong life, stop sickness, safer birthing, and SO SO much more.

So what is your point? Evolution has no proof? Neither does the bible, yet we never deny it's truth. Evolutionists lie to us and hide information? So did the roman catholic church. How are we calling him a liar when we say he used evolution to create humanity? God uses science in every aspect of his creations, he himself created science. You limit Gods powers and says he can only simply create without explanation. The bible says NOTHING about evolution. It only says that we were created in a day. God could have just sped things up to instant.

It is possible that evolution was created by God as a tool.

It is very obvious that the Universe was created. It stands up to scrutiny. It's liars that try to attack Christians faith in the Bible by promoting false information. Flat face man was a hoax exposed in the 50s, stil taught as fact today. The Neanderthal was proven to have been a man with arthritis, still taught as fact. Fossil records do not show evolution at all. No intermediaries exist, but we are taught they are there. The theory of layers in the Earth was exposed as well, but still taught as fact. The speed of light can be bent, folded, pinched, but it's taught as fact that it's finite. It's a very bad liar that promotes evolution, that's why they avoid debates, as they regularly lose them, attack/destroy the careers of intelligent design believers, and refuse to allow real information to reach people. Recently a DNA sample from a LIVE seal was dated at 20,000,000 years old. Carbon dating experts will tell you that the fossil more accurately dates the rock than the other way around.

God did not use evolution (note lower case), he gave his account, and nowhere does evolution fit. I'm sorry, but you have no crebility. Good luck with that.
 
It is very obvious that the Universe was created. It stands up to scrutiny. It's liars that try to attack Christians faith in the Bible by promoting false information. Flat face man was a hoax exposed in the 50s, stil taught as fact today. The Neanderthal was proven to have been a man with arthritis, still taught as fact. Fossil records do not show evolution at all. No intermediaries exist, but we are taught they are there. The theory of layers in the Earth was exposed as well, but still taught as fact. The speed of light can be bent, folded, pinched, but it's taught as fact that it's finite. It's a very bad liar that promotes evolution, that's why they avoid debates, as they regularly lose them, attack/destroy the careers of intelligent design believers, and refuse to allow real information to reach people. Recently a DNA sample from a LIVE seal was dated at 20,000,000 years old. Carbon dating experts will tell you that the fossil more accurately dates the rock than the other way around.

God did not use evolution (note lower case), he gave his account, and nowhere does evolution fit. I'm sorry, but you have no crebility. Good luck with that.

I was only pointing out that God used a process with all of his creations. We just haven't figured out the process of how he created humanity yet. Evolution is still highly possible, but not currently provable. Like I said earlier, you hold fast to a religion that cannot be proven with human efforts. Just because it cannot be proven, does not mean it isn't real or fact. I have strong faith in Jesus Christ, and believe their are scientific explanations that describes how God created humanity, we just arent there yet.
 
Evolution is still highly possible, but not currently provable. Like I said earlier, you hold fast to a religion that cannot be proven with human efforts. Just because it cannot be proven, does not mean it isn't real or fact. I have strong faith in Jesus Christ, and believe their are scientific explanations that describes how God created humanity, we just arent there yet.

If you have a strong faith in Jesus Christ, then you can't pick
and choose what you believe/not believe.
God created man and woman, all the animals, the Heaven and
Earth, and it says so in the Bible. If you believe in Jesus, who was
a representation of God Himself, then you would believe that
God did indeed create man and woman as He says in the Bible.


 
If you have a strong faith in Jesus Christ, then you can't pick
and choose what you believe/not believe.
God created man and woman, all the animals, the Heaven and
Earth, and it says so in the Bible. If you believe in Jesus, who was
a representation of God Himself, then you would believe that
God did indeed create man and woman as He says in the Bible.

I do believe in Jesus Christ and that God has created everything that the Bible claims that he has. I also believe that it can be explained through science. Maybe not right now, but maybe one day. Check this out real quick.

God created the rainbow after the great flood, correct? Science can explain the rainbow as light reflecting off water in the air in simple terms. God made this happen. So in a way, God used His invention of "science" to create the rainbow. See what I am saying? Even though something can be, will be, or could be explained by science God still created it.

There is no reason for their not to be some sort of explanation for ALL of Gods creations with science, because we see it everyday. My only point it that it is possible to explain. Possible, but not 100%. See? In no way am i denying God being the creator of all living things, and several other things. I am just saying that there could be a process to His creations.

I think that covered it lol. :D
 
I do believe in Jesus Christ and that God has created everything that the Bible claims that he has. I also believe that it can be explained through science. Maybe not right now, but maybe one day. Check this out real quick.

God created the rainbow after the great flood, correct? Science can explain the rainbow as light reflecting off water in the air in simple terms. God made this happen. So in a way, God used His invention of "science" to create the rainbow. See what I am saying? Even though something can be, will be, or could be explained by science God still created it.

There is no reason for their not to be some sort of explanation for ALL of Gods creations with science, because we see it everyday. My only point it that it is possible to explain. Possible, but not 100%. See? In no way am i denying God being the creator of all living things, and several other things. I am just saying that there could be a process to His creations.

I think that covered it lol. :D

I agree with you. :)
A quote I remember in physics class: Science explains how things
work, religion explains how it all came to be (where it came from.)
I just don't believe in evolution in the sense of creation taking
millions of years to develop, from a cell, to a fish, to a human
type thing they teach in my school.
God's concept of time is not our concept of time. He could make
the world in a day, but to us, it would look like years.
Who knows? :)
 
A fact of genetics is that trait changes have a ceiling. This perhaps is the biggest obstacle to gradual change through micro-evolution. Each rung of DNA is made up of four chemicals called nucleotides, designated by the symbols: A (adenine), G (guanine), C (cytosine), and T (thymine). These rungs of DNA are combined to provide a blueprint of the traits that organism will have.

Actually the "rungs" are made up of combinations of any two nucleotides, not four.

Though there are a limitless combinations of traits that we possess, there is a limit to how far each trait can change. There is a limit to the number of combinations of these chemicals; therefore there are a limited number of trait variations.

You're acting as though all mutations can do is shuffle the order of existing nucleotides. Are you altogether sure you understand the full scope of what mutations are? What about gene duplication and/or point mutations? These do far more that simply recombine four nucleotides. Similarly, you're ignoring the role of non-coding genetic switches that control when genes are activated during development which can have huge ramifications in the evolution of new traits.

Finally, none of this actually lays out exactly what this "ceiling" of your is or why it magically resides below the species threshold. Care to try again?

No new genetic material can be added.

A gene duplication event takes place, followed by another mutation which alters the duplicate copy. Ta-da, new genetic material has just been added.

Because of the code barrier, there are a limited number of variations in eye color.

And I can observe this "code barrier". . .where exactly?

Open systems still have a tendency to disorder.

Not according to physics, and you can't really fight physics. I mean you can. . .but you're never going to win.

The other case is programmed machinery, that directs energy into maintaining and increasing complexity, at the expense of increased disorder elsewhere. Living things have such energy-converting machinery to make the complex structures of life.

Yeah, I didn't miss your use of "programmed" which is utterly unwarranted.

The open systems argument does not help evolution. Raw energy cannot generate the specified complex information in living things.

Another ID non-term, "specified complexity" isn't an actual term in biology. Raw energy certainly can and does allow living things to reproduce with modification - which is all evolution needs.

Undirected energy just speeds up destruction.

All energy from the sun is "undirected". You don't actually think that it's just pointed at the earth or something do you?

Similarly, undirected energy flow through an alleged primordial soup will break down the complex molecules of life faster than they are formed.

I see you've strayed into unsupported assertions about abiogenesis. I'm discussing evolution.

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Proof?

The Bible is God's revelation to mankind!

It is not an ideology that is subject to correction and testing.

What it contains is eternal. It is beyond question regarding proof.

It contains the Gospel of Jesus Christ, this is the one and only way that mankind can be saved from death.

Science is an attempt by mankind to understand the universe and all it contains. Does anyone see the futility of attempting to understand that which has its origin in the super natural.

No wonder there are so many unanswered questions in science. Groping in the dark as usual.
 
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