The Trinity in Creation in The Old Testament

[YourWordIsTruth]

Muslims think the same way, as did the unbelieving Jews. This is also why many carnally minded men are trying to remove the words “ only begotten Son of God” from the Holy Bible. This of course is the work of the spirit of antichrist.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son,which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 4:9
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

John 10:36
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The adjective, “μονογενὴς”, when used in the Greek Septuagint Version, never has the meaning “Begotten”

Judges 11:34, “Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah. And behold, his daughter came out to meet him with tambourines and with dances. She was his only (μονογενὴς) child; besides her he had neither son nor daughter”

Psalm 22:20, “Deliver my soul from the sword; Mine only one (μονογενὴς) from the power of the dog”

Psalm 25:16, “Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am alone (μονογενὴς) and afflicted”

Likewise in the other places where used in the New Testament;

Luke 7:12, “Now when he came nigh to the gate of the city, behold, there was a dead man carried out, the only (μονογενὴς) son of his mother”

Luke 8:42, “For he had one only (μονογενὴς) daughter, about twelve years of age”

Luke 9:38, “Master, I beseech thee, look upon my son: for he is mine only (μονογενὴς) child”

Hebrews 11:17, “By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only (μονογενὴς) son”

It is clear from the uses here of “μονογενὴς”, that it does not mean “only-begotten”, but, “one and only”, or “unique”.

"the only member of a kin or kind: hence, generally, only, single, unique" (H G Liddell and R Scott; A Greek-English Lexicon, p.1144. Revised Edition)

"only...Also unique (in kind) of someth. that it the only example of its category...'unique and alone'" (W F Ardnt and F W Gingrich; A Greek-English Lexicon, p.529)

“But the word can also be used more generally without ref. to derivation in the sense of “unique,” “unparalleled,” “incomparable,”” (Gerhard Kittel; Theological Dictionary of the New Testament)

"μονογενὴς is literally “one of a kind,” “only,” “unique” (unicus), not “only-begotten,” which would be μονογέννητος, (unigenitus), and is common in the LXX in this sense" (J H Moulton & G Milligan; Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. pp. 416-417)

Jesus Christ is The UNIQUE God, because He as God from eternity past, became Incarnate, the God-Man, fully God and fully Man, with the exception of any sin. “GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH” (1 Timothy 3:16. Original text)

 

[YourWordIsTruth]

You forgot an inconvenient fact that sun, moon and stars were NOT created yet on Day 1, there was no other source of light but God himself! "Appeared" is not synonymous with “created”, you are reading your own prejudice into it, you think “Let there be light” is God created light, but what I read is God SHONE upon the earth with his glory. Let me be crystal slear, God created "sun, moon and stars" to be "signs of time", but not the Light BEFORE that!

WHO in Genesis 1:1 says, "leter there be light"?

According to God the Father in Hebrews 1:10-12, it is Jesus Christ!

"He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and Your years will never end."

It is very clear from this passage, which is a quote from Psalm 102:24-27, where it speaks of Almighty God Creating, that Jesus Christ IS THE CREATOR!

"let there be light" is PART of this Creation, and CANNOT refer to Jesus!

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

WHO in Genesis 1:1 says, "leter there be light"?

According to God the Father in Hebrews 1:10-12, it is Jesus Christ!

"He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and Your years will never end."

It is very clear from this passage, which is a quote from Psalm 102:24-27, where it speaks of Almighty God Creating, that Jesus Christ IS THE CREATOR!

"let there be light" is PART of this Creation, and CANNOT refer to Jesus!

This portion you quoted didn't mention anything about "light", it just confirms Gen. 1:1. You don't realize that in order for John 1:1-3 to be true, that light MUST be Yeshua, otherwise he was not at the beginning. “Let there be Light” IS the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us. If you insist that's "a part of the creation", then you're the one who suggests Yeshua was created, not me. Gen. 1:3 does NOT say "God created light"!

 

[Beetow]

You forgot an inconvenient fact that sun, moon and stars were NOT created yet on
Day 1, there was no other source of light but God himself!

The very first act of creation brought about the entire geological cosmos in the form
of a colossal soup of materials (Gen 1:1-2). It is very plausible that the light of
Gen 1:3 was constructed from those materials. (In point of fact; it isn't unrealistic
to assume that only Gen 1:1-2 was an act of creation ex nihilo.)

* Not all electromagnetic radiation is visible, nor does it all produce illumination. For
example; space was at one time thought to contain absolutely nothing until radio
astronomers discovered something called cosmic microwave background. In a
nutshell: CMB fills the universe with light that apparently radiates from no
detectable source. The popular notion is that CMB is energy left over from the Big
Bang, but in reality nobody knows for sure.
_

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The very first act of creation brought about the entire geological cosmos in the form
of a colossal soup of materials (Gen 1:1-2). It is very plausible that the light of
Gen 1:3 was constructed from those materials. (In point of fact; it isn't unrealistic
to assume that only Gen 1:1-2 was an act of creation ex nihilo.)

* Not all electromagnetic radiation is visible, nor does it all produce illumination. For
example; space was at one time thought to contain absolutely nothing until radio
astronomers discovered something called cosmic microwave background. In a
nutshell: CMB fills the universe with light that apparently radiates from no
detectable source. The popular notion is that CMB is energy left over from the Big
Bang, but in reality nobody knows for sure.
_

See, that "undetectable source" of illumination is God himself, in Gen 1:3 His illumination just reached the earth, therefore he was revealed as light.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

That won't work because "the word of God" isn't a personal identity, rather, it's a
description of the utterances of God as a source of power (e.g. John 1:1-3)

There are folks at work (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses) putting an undue emphasis upon
God's personal identity when what they ought to be doing is putting an emphasis
upon what He says instead because His word packs a wallop. (Isa 55:10-11)

That chapter in Revelation is a real jewel. It depicts someone who is both a spirit
being and a material being simultaneously; which of course are none other than
the two persons in view at John 1:1-3 and John 1:14.
_

The Son of God is the Word of God.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

The adjective, “μονογενὴς”, when used in the Greek Septuagint Version, never has the meaning “Begotten”

Judges 11:34, “Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah. And behold, his daughter came out to meet him with tambourines and with dances. She was his only (μονογενὴς) child; besides her he had neither son nor daughter”

Psalm 22:20, “Deliver my soul from the sword; Mine only one (μονογενὴς) from the power of the dog”

Psalm 25:16, “Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am alone (μονογενὴς) and afflicted”

Likewise in the other places where used in the New Testament;

Luke 7:12, “Now when he came nigh to the gate of the city, behold, there was a dead man carried out, the only (μονογενὴς) son of his mother”

Luke 8:42, “For he had one only (μονογενὴς) daughter, about twelve years of age”

Luke 9:38, “Master, I beseech thee, look upon my son: for he is mine only (μονογενὴς) child”

Hebrews 11:17, “By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only (μονογενὴς) son”

It is clear from the uses here of “μονογενὴς”, that it does not mean “only-begotten”, but, “one and only”, or “unique”.

"the only member of a kin or kind: hence, generally, only, single, unique" (H G Liddell and R Scott; A Greek-English Lexicon, p.1144. Revised Edition)

"only...Also unique (in kind) of someth. that it the only example of its category...'unique and alone'" (W F Ardnt and F W Gingrich; A Greek-English Lexicon, p.529)

“But the word can also be used more generally without ref. to derivation in the sense of “unique,” “unparalleled,” “incomparable,”” (Gerhard Kittel; Theological Dictionary of the New Testament)

"μονογενὴς is literally “one of a kind,” “only,” “unique” (unicus), not “only-begotten,” which would be μονογέννητος, (unigenitus), and is common in the LXX in this sense" (J H Moulton & G Milligan; Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. pp. 416-417)

Jesus Christ is The UNIQUE God, because He as God from eternity past, became Incarnate, the God-Man, fully God and fully Man, with the exception of any sin. “GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH” (1 Timothy 3:16. Original text)

Lexicon :: Strong's G3439 - monogenēs​

Strong’s Definitions
μονογενής monogenḗs, mon-og-en-ace'; from G3441 and G1096; only-born, i.e. sole:—only (begotten, child).

KJV Translation Count — Total: 9x
The KJV translates Strong's G3439 in the following manner: only begotten (6x), only (2x), only child (1x).

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. single of its kind, only
   1. used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
   2. used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God……. Greek Lexicon
      STRONGS G3439:
      μονογενής, -ές (μόνος and γένος) (Cicero, unigena; Vulg. [in Luke unicus, elsewhere] and in ecclesiastical writings unigenitus), single of its kind, only, [A. V.only-begotten];
      
      
      

 

[Waggles]

FIRST DAY
Genesis 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness.
THIRD DAY
1:11 And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so.
12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
FOURTH DAY
1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,
15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so.
16 And God made the two great lights - the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night - and the stars.
QUESTION ?
As God created our Sun in the fourth period of time then what "light" gave our planet's vegetation photosynthesis and warmth to thrive on????
CLUE
John 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
John 9:5 While I am in the world, I am Light of the world.

 

[YourWordIsTruth]

This portion you quoted didn't mention anything about "light", it just confirms Gen. 1:1. You don't realize that in order for John 1:1-3 to be true, that light MUST be Yeshua, otherwise he was not at the beginning. “Let there be Light” IS the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us. If you insist that's "a part of the creation", then you're the one who suggests Yeshua was created, not me. Gen. 1:3 does NOT say "God created light"!

you don't seem to understand Who Jesus Christ is!

 

[YourWordIsTruth]

Lexicon :: Strong's G3439 - monogenēs​

Strong’s Definitions
μονογενής monogenḗs, mon-og-en-ace'; from G3441 and G1096; only-born, i.e. sole:—only (begotten, child).

KJV Translation Count — Total: 9x
The KJV translates Strong's G3439 in the following manner: only begotten (6x), only (2x), only child (1x).

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. single of its kind, only
   1. used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
   2. used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God……. Greek Lexicon
      STRONGS G3439:
      μονογενής, -ές (μόνος and γένος) (Cicero, unigena; Vulg. [in Luke unicus, elsewhere] and in ecclesiastical writings unigenitus), single of its kind, only, [A. V.only-begotten];
      
      

Strong's Concordance is NOT an authority for Hebrew and Greek! It simply follows the KJV which is WRONG!

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

you don't seem to understand Who Jesus Christ is!

Yes I do. He's the manifestation of God. You can't see God and you can't know God unless he reveals himself to you. It's you who can't use Scripture to intepret Scripture and make logical conclusion. If that light were "created" as you said, then what was the source of it other than God himself? If you admit that God WAS the source, then this light was NOT created, it was obviously the manifestation of God - whose glory shone through darkness.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Strong's Concordance is NOT an authority for Hebrew and Greek!

Neither are you.

 

[YourWordIsTruth]

Neither are you.

all you have to do is to TRY and disprove what I right, IF you can!

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

all you have to do is to TRY and disprove what I right, IF you can!

I already did.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

all you have to do is to TRY and disprove what I right, IF you can!

You made that one pretty easy lol

I know, you meant "write".

 

[YourWordIsTruth]

I already did.

 

[YourWordIsTruth]

You made that one pretty easy lol

I know, you meant "write".

Both