My Bible says I can judge and rebuke and reprove so if somelike yourself needs rebuking then I can judge you for not knowing the Bible.
This is the last time I shall reply to you as I cannot abide idiots!
The Witch of Endor's 'Samuel' was a Fallen Angel or even Satan himself!
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This is the last time I shall reply to you as I cannot abide idiots!
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Sure, Brother in Christ. And the Bible also showed us how to do it. But you are always doing "accusations" in the manifesting of Lucifer and no Rebuke. Because a Rebuke is clearly seen. And you know it is a Rebuke Paul gave to Peter but you totally missed the Dynamic Power of the Rebuke. I already gave it to you to learn by it. So I will give it again.
Gal. 2:
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
So let me say it again. You can do no Rebuking nor Judgment. Only in Jesus can you do it. Meaning you have to say as Jesus did. I can say nothing of myself. As I hear so do I speak. I can do nothing of myself. As I see my Father do so do I do. Jesus is the Wisdom and Power given to us. Speak in Jesus and you have Power. Speak in Lucifer and you have only empty accusations.
This boils down now to tell me my "lie" and then give us all your Truth. Jesus is the Truth. Speak in Jesus the Truth to my "lie". But you say you will speak and do yourself. Thus the Power is not there but rather the power of the mind where you can only do "banning". And clearly manifest Lucifer's power in evil banning. But since you are not in charge of the "buttons" here to press them on me you are powerless. So much for your Rebuking.
So how is calling me an "idiot" when it is God speaking in me to you. Where I am His Temple and speak from the Words He gives me to speak. So again. Tell me what exactly was the "idiotic" word from the devil and give me the Truth on it. Just as Paul did with the "idiotic" actions of Peter and then gave the Truth on his actions. Threatening me to stop speaking to me after you threatened me to stop speaking to you is clearly seen in you "dodging" in deceit what is happening here. You are now on the run in manifesting the Truth. Because your commands to me to stop speaking to you were a lie, Brother in Christ. Which actually proved that you were on the run all along. You just tried to hide it in deceit. And now Revealed.
James 4: 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
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Sure. I agree I can not understand the Bible. That is why I speak in Revelations and not human IQ which is Lucifer speaking. And once again show me the lie in giving the Truth "on top of the lie". Just as Paul did with the lie Peter Lived.
Gal. 2:
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
So just tell us what these verses mean. Because I had my turn. And now it is yours.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And then tell us why did God Exclude you from being part of the Blessed Brotherhood.
PSALM 133.
A Song of degrees of David.
1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!*n12 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron’s beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
And excluded from the New Jerusalem too?
Rev. 21:
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
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1Chron 10:13; So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against the LORD, because of the word of the LORD which he did not keep; and also because he asked counsel of a medium, making inquiry of it,
1Chron 10:14; and did not inquire of the LORD. Therefore He killed him and turned the kingdom to David the son of Jesse.
1Sam 28:15; Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and no longer answers me, either through prophets or by dreams; therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I should do."
1Sam 28:16; Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has departed from you and has become your adversary?
1Sam 28:17; "The LORD has done accordingly as He spoke through me; for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, to David.
1Sam 28:18; "As you did not obey the LORD and did not execute His fierce wrath on Amalek, so the LORD has done this thing to you this day.
1Sam 28:19; "Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!"
A few points here.
1 Chron 10:14 says God killed Saul. The story of Saul's death is here. It would seem that God caused these circumstances to happen to Saul.
1Sam 31:3; The battle went heavily against Saul, and the archers hit him; and he was badly wounded by the archers.
1Sam 31:4; Then Saul said to his armor bearer, "Draw your sword and pierce me through with it, otherwise these uncircumcised will come and pierce me through and make sport of me." But his armor bearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. So Saul took his sword and fell on it.
1Sam 31:5; When his armor bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died with him.
1Sam 31:6; Thus Saul died with his three sons, his armor bearer, and all his men on that day together.
But it would seem that Samuels prophesy came true. Unlikely a demon or fallen angel would have told the truth here.
Also the Lord "departed" from Saul and became his adversary. God doesn't always stay with everyone no matter what.
Also see...
Jdgs 16:20 She said, "The Philistines are upon you, Samson!" And he awoke from his sleep and said, "I will go out as at other times and shake myself free." But he did not know that the LORD had departed from him.
Did God arbitrarily leave Saul just because He didn't like him? No, Saul went against God on two things. First he went a medium, a witch, fortune-teller, whatever you want to call her. The other big thing Saul did (or in this case didn't do) was he did not totally destroy the Amalek.
(1Sam28:18)
This was his first commission and priority from God.
1Sam 15:1; Then Samuel said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you as king over His people, over Israel; now therefore, listen to the words of the LORD.
1Sam 15:2; "Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt.
1Sam 15:3; 'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'"
God told Saul to kill all of the them, men, women, children, and even the babies and animals. But Saul didn't obey God is this.
1Sam 15:9; But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were not willing to destroy them utterly; but everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.
1Sam 15:10; Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying,
1Sam 15:11; "I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not carried out My commands." And Samuel was distressed and cried out to the LORD all night.
People talk about God knowing the future, and doing ot not doing something because He knows the outcome. Perhaps this is true, but in this case God was sorry that He made Saul king, because Saul disobeyed Him.
This is similar to Genesis 6 in the time of Noah.
Gen 6:5; Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6; The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Gen 6:7; The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.
God was sorry he made mankind, and He kills off the entire population of humans (except for those in the Ark).
1Chron 10:14; and did not inquire of the LORD. Therefore He killed him and turned the kingdom to David the son of Jesse.
1Sam 28:15; Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and no longer answers me, either through prophets or by dreams; therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I should do."
1Sam 28:16; Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has departed from you and has become your adversary?
1Sam 28:17; "The LORD has done accordingly as He spoke through me; for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, to David.
1Sam 28:18; "As you did not obey the LORD and did not execute His fierce wrath on Amalek, so the LORD has done this thing to you this day.
1Sam 28:19; "Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!"
A few points here.
1 Chron 10:14 says God killed Saul. The story of Saul's death is here. It would seem that God caused these circumstances to happen to Saul.
1Sam 31:3; The battle went heavily against Saul, and the archers hit him; and he was badly wounded by the archers.
1Sam 31:4; Then Saul said to his armor bearer, "Draw your sword and pierce me through with it, otherwise these uncircumcised will come and pierce me through and make sport of me." But his armor bearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. So Saul took his sword and fell on it.
1Sam 31:5; When his armor bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died with him.
1Sam 31:6; Thus Saul died with his three sons, his armor bearer, and all his men on that day together.
But it would seem that Samuels prophesy came true. Unlikely a demon or fallen angel would have told the truth here.
Also the Lord "departed" from Saul and became his adversary. God doesn't always stay with everyone no matter what.
Also see...
Jdgs 16:20 She said, "The Philistines are upon you, Samson!" And he awoke from his sleep and said, "I will go out as at other times and shake myself free." But he did not know that the LORD had departed from him.
Did God arbitrarily leave Saul just because He didn't like him? No, Saul went against God on two things. First he went a medium, a witch, fortune-teller, whatever you want to call her. The other big thing Saul did (or in this case didn't do) was he did not totally destroy the Amalek.
(1Sam28:18)
This was his first commission and priority from God.
1Sam 15:1; Then Samuel said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you as king over His people, over Israel; now therefore, listen to the words of the LORD.
1Sam 15:2; "Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt.
1Sam 15:3; 'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'"
God told Saul to kill all of the them, men, women, children, and even the babies and animals. But Saul didn't obey God is this.
1Sam 15:9; But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were not willing to destroy them utterly; but everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.
1Sam 15:10; Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying,
1Sam 15:11; "I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not carried out My commands." And Samuel was distressed and cried out to the LORD all night.
People talk about God knowing the future, and doing ot not doing something because He knows the outcome. Perhaps this is true, but in this case God was sorry that He made Saul king, because Saul disobeyed Him.
This is similar to Genesis 6 in the time of Noah.
Gen 6:5; Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6; The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Gen 6:7; The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.
God was sorry he made mankind, and He kills off the entire population of humans (except for those in the Ark).
Getting back to the topic of this thread.
We need to step away from the rigid idea that the books of the OT were supernaturally written by the attributed author. Otherwise Samuel would have supernaturally written a story about himself and saul, before he died.
So anyhow taking the ESV translation of the hebrew (the hebrew being a translation of the original oral history which was paleohebrew at the time)
We see several points in the ESV;
1, the medium freaks out.. not from seeing samuel, but discovering it is saul who inquired of her, Saul who was supposes to kill her for being a medium.
2, saul recognizes it is samuel.
3, the medium describes him as an old man wearing a mantle. Human spirits are not in possession of anything after death unless God gives them it. (I have my own experience with this)
4, the text, which is supposed to be 100% legit, says in verse 16 that samuel spoke.
I have friends who can read hebrew. The OT is full of very carefully written stories. Listen to the BEMA podcasts and they will show you hundreds of cleverly written stories.
If it was not samuel: verse 16 would read "the spirit spoke to saul". And "saul, believing it was samuel, feared the message".
The reader would then be left to interpret was it really samuel, or was saul deceived by a lie, and died as a result
Its what the text plainly said. Did you even read my comment?
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It wasn't Samuel. Samuel was dead. It was a demon. The woman saw "gods." Saul sought out a woman with a demonic spirit. 1Chron 10:13 tells us that Saul sought out a demon.
13And Saul dieth because of his trespass that he trespassed against Jehovah, against the word of Jehovah that he kept not, and also for asking at a familiar spirit—to inquire,— 14and he inquired not at Jehovah, and He putteth him to death, and turneth round the kingdom to David son of Jesse.
Robert Young, Young’s Literal Translation (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 1997), 1 Ch 10:12–14.
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'Regard not them that have familiar spirits,
neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them:
I am the LORD your God.'
(Lev 19:31)
'So Saul died for his transgression
which he committed against the LORD,
even against the word of the LORD,
which he kept not,
and also for asking counsel
of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;
And enquired not of the LORD:
therefore He slew him,
and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.'
(Ch 10:13-14)
neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them:
I am the LORD your God.'
(Lev 19:31)
'So Saul died for his transgression
which he committed against the LORD,
even against the word of the LORD,
which he kept not,
and also for asking counsel
of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;
And enquired not of the LORD:
therefore He slew him,
and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.'
(Ch 10:13-14)
