Things that people mistake as being in the Bible

[Jonathan_Gale]

Hi Chris, On waht basis have you determined that the record in 2 Peter and Jude are referring to the sons of God in Gen. 6:2?

In the OT, there's not much said about rebelling angels, most of the time those angels were just messengers, but there's a lot said about these rebelling "sons of God" and God's judgement for them, so real question is, are these NT portions connected to or separated from these OT passages regarding evil spiritual beings? You have to make a judgement call on that. There's no proof texting to fix that, it's all up to your personal belief - or unbelief.

 

[Butch5]

There is probably no definitive way to prove this. But even if it isn't the same angels... we know some angels left heaven and committed sexual sins.

Jude 1:6; And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
Jude 1:7; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Is there a way to prove it's the "sons of God" in Genesis 6? Maybe not. But there isn't a way to prove it isn't either. You still haven't answered the question about why the women here are called "daughters of men".

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Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God lived with the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination and intention of all human thinking was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved at heart.

Now where did the giants come from? There are over a half dozen verses in the Bible that mention giants. ...it also seems that God told many of his people to kill the giants.
Now for thousands of years, all through the Bible human men and human women mated and had children. It doesn't say any of those were giants.
But yet here, when the "sons of God" mate with the "daughters of men" now we have giants... they bore children who were the mighty men of old. Why the difference only here?

Hi B-A-C,

I would submit that the passage in Jude and can be understood differently.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Jud 4–11.

He starts off speaking of ungodly men. Then He gives examples, The first is the people who came out of Egypt which believed not. They were destroyed. Then he speaks of the angels who sinned and says they are reserved for judgment. So far both examples faced or are facing judgment. Then he speaks of Sodom and Gomorrah who gave themselves over to fornication. They were destroyed. Then "in like manner" the cities around Sodom and Gomorrah gave themselves over to fornication. They too were destroyed. Then he says, "likewise these filthy dreamers". They too will face judgment as these other examples.

It seems to me that you guys are reading the phrase "in like manner" in verse 7 and applying back to the angels in verse 6 and thus concluding that the angels committed sexual sin. However, I would submit that the phrase "in like manner" in verse 7 refers to the cities around Sodom and Gomorrah which went after strange flesh just as, "in like manner", Sodom and Gomorrah did. They were destroyed just as Sodom and Gomorrah were.

24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; 25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Ge 19:24–25.

Actually, I think we can prove it. There's nothing in Scripture that says the sons of God are spirit beings. However, men are called the sons of God. So, that should be our normal default position. We would need something to disprove the normal understanding. However, here's something to consider. When God created the creation He made things male and female after their "kind". In the creation, things can only reproduce after their kind. Dogs and cats can't reproduce. Cows and sheep can't reproduce. Humans can't reproduce with dogs, cats, sheep, or any other animal. Things can only reproduce after their kind. Angels and humans are two different kinds. So, from everything we see in creation, angels and human cannot reproduce.

The reason the women are called the daughters of men is because they are being contrasted with the sons of God. They were the daughters of men who were not the people of God. It would be equivalent to saying the daughters of the pagans or the nations.

The giants are really irrelevant to the question of who the sons of God are. Look at the passage again. The giants already existed when the sons of God took wives of the women of men. So, the giants couldn't be the offspring of the sons of God mating with the daughters of men.

There were giants on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God lived with the daughters of men, and they bore children to them.

The giants were already there when the sons of God took wives of the daughters of men.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I haven't denied the existence of spirit beings. What I've denied is that the sons of God are spirit beings.

They don't always appear in flesh. When Jesus cast the demons out of the pigs they were inhabiting a man, but they weren't the man. If God could make Jesus appear as flesh in the OT, I don't see why He couldn't do the same with angels. There's a spiritual body for heaven, and a fleshly body for earth, one does not contradict another as you assume.

They don't always appear in flesh. When Jesus cast the demons out of the pigs they were inhabiting a man, but they weren't the man. If God could make Jesus appear as flesh in the OT, I don't see why He couldn't do the same with angels.

Nowhere in the Scripture says Yeshua cast out angels, you're making that up.

They presented themselves before the Son. The apostle John said, no man has seen God at any time, the only begotten Son has made Him known. When people saw the Lord, it was the Son, God's messenger. Was that lying spirit speaking to the Father or the Son? It's not refuted. Even if a spirit presented itself before the Father, that stull doesn't prove that the sons of God are spirit beings.

The Son is not interchangeable with the Father. Father is a pure spiritual being in heaven, Son is the INCARNATE of the Father on earth, which did not happen yet in the book of Job. Job 1:6 specifically said sons of God presented themselves before GOD, not the Son, and so was the lying spirit. Apostle John saw neither the Son nor the Father directly, he was IN SPIRIT the whole time. If you suggest that those sons of God presented themselves before the Son, or in Ps. 82, it was the Son judging them in their midst, then again, you're making that up.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

There are several different numbers given. It's not on that alone that I dismiss it. Regarding the Bible, I'd suggest it's much more likely that the concepts and contents in the Book of Enoch are referenced from the Bible rather than the other way around. My rejection comes from the claims the book makes.

Do you realize your statement is a contradiction? You do lean on your own understanding and presuppositions. Everyone does. It's all we have. You draw your conclusions based on Biblical facts which you determine via your own understanding and presuppositions. That's how it works.

Still you got it wrong. None of the "understanding" and "presuppositions" I posted are my own, I didn't pull any of that from the top of my head, it was the Holy Spirit that led me to legitimate bible scholars who connected the dots between the OT and the NT, who shed a light on these seemingly mythical and weird portions in the bible. Whether they're correct or not, again, at least they let the Scripture interpret itself, and more specifically, let one book in the Scripture interpret another book in the Scripture; while your idea of "sons of God“ being God's chosen people of faith is totally contradictory to the OT message, where everytime these "sons of God" are mentioned, they're always portrayed negatively with God's disapproval, either in Gen. 6:2, Deut. 32:8, Job: 1:6 or Ps. 82:6-7. When God called Israel his only begotten son, then Yeshua His only begotten son, that rhetoric was used to specifically draw a contrast between God's chosen sons and these other evil sons - who are with Satan, and yet you conflate the good with the evil.

 

[Butch5]

Job 1:6; Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:7; The LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."

Job 2:1; Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 2:2; The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."

Who do you think these "sons of God" are here? On they on the earth or in heaven? Is Satan one of them? Is Satan flesh or spiritual? Was anyone in heaven at that time flesh?
Other than the possible exceptions of Elijah and Enoch, had any human men ascended to heaven at all during that time? Is it possible these "sons of God" must be spiritual?

John 3:13; "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
Acts 2:34; "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,

These sons of God are the Sethites,

25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Ge 4:25–26.

Seth had a son Enos. Moses says, "then" men began to call upon the name of the Lord. It carries the idea of trusting in the Lord. Here is how the Septuagint renders the passage.

25 And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore a son, and called his name Seth, saying, For God has raised up to me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26 And Seth had a son, and he called his name Enos: he hoped to call on the name of the Lord God.

Lancelot Charles Lee Brenton, The Septuagint Version of the Old Testament: English Translation (London: Samuel Bagster and Sons, 1870), Ge 4:25–26.

The same word translated hoped" in the Gen 4:25 in the Septuagint is used in Mathew 12:21 and it's translated "trust"

21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Mt 12:20–21.

So, what we see in Gen 4 is a people who are placing their trust in God. Thus, the name, the sons of God.

Let's follow Moses' telling of the events. He first tells of Cain and Abel, chapter 4. Then at the end of chapter 4 he tells us that Adam had another son and called him Seth. Then we're told that Seth had a son and called him Enosh. Then in chapter 5 Moses gives us Adam's lineage, but notice, he doesn't include Cain and Abel. Instead, he starts with Seth. he just mentioned the birth of Seth and now gives Adam's lineage down through Seth. These are the ones who began to call upon the name of the Lord. Then right after listing this lineage that calls upon the name of the Lord, Moses, for the first time, introduces the phrase "the sons of God". Now, following Moses in context, who should we believe these sons of God are? Should it not be those he just got done describing? Why would we suddenly insert a concept of spirit beings here when Moses has made no mention of any such thing? It doesn't even fit the context. He spent all of chapter 5 describing a lineage of men who were known to call upon the name of the Lord. Surely these are the sons of God he's just introduced.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

These sons of God are the Sethites,

25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Then why did they become extremely wicked and all got drowned in the Flood except Noah? You still didn't and couldn't answer that. Besides, Noah and Seth were centuries apart, in the days of Noah there were "scoffers" (2 Peter 3:1-4, Luke 17:26-30) who openly mocked God, that sounds like the opposite of "calling upon the name of God", and you call them sons of God?

 

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Hi Chris, On waht basis have you determined that the record in 2 Peter and Jude are referring to the sons of God in Gen. 6:2?

References:- Genesis 6:2,4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; 1 Peter 3:18-20; 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6;

'For if God spared not the angels that sinned,
but cast them down to hell,
and delivered them into chains of darkness,
to be reserved unto judgment;
And spared not the old world,
but saved Noah the eighth person,
a preacher of righteousness,
bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;'
(2Pet. 2:4-5)

* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/2pe2.pdf

'And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation,
He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.'
(Jude 1:6-7)

* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/jud1.pdf

'For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,
the just for the unjust,
that He might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient,
when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,
while the ark was a preparing,
wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.'
(1Pe 3:18-20)

* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1pe3.pdf

Hello @B-A-C,

On what basis? On the basis of comparison between one Scripture and another, to determine how the Holy Spirit uses the term. Observing what words are used, and the context within which they are found.

* The Holy Spirit, in His word, uses the words, 'sons of God,' in the Old Testament in reference to Angels, and to Adam as those whom He had created: and to the redeemed of the Lord in the New Testament, who are born from above, and are a new creation in Christ Jesus, as I said previously.

* In Genesis 6, the words, 'man' or 'men',' sons of God' and angels, are used to distinguish human beings from spirit beings in the narrative.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

References:- Genesis 6:2,4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; 1 Peter 3:18-20; 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6;

'For if God spared not the angels that sinned,
but cast them down to hell,
and delivered them into chains of darkness,
to be reserved unto judgment;
And spared not the old world,
but saved Noah the eighth person,
a preacher of righteousness,
bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;'
(2Pet. 2:4-5)

* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/2pe2.pdf

'And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation,
He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.'
(Jude 1:6-7)

* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/jud1.pdf

'For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,
the just for the unjust,
that He might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient,
when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,
while the ark was a preparing,
wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.'
(1Pe 3:18-20)

* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1pe3.pdf

Hello @B-A-C,

On what basis? On the basis of comparison between one Scripture and another, to determine how the Holy Spirit uses the term. Observing what words are used, and the context within which they are found.

* The Holy Spirit, in His word, uses the words, 'sons of God,' in the Old Testament in reference to Angels, and to Adam as those whom He had created: and to the redeemed of the Lord in the New Testament, who are born from above, and are a new creation in Christ Jesus, as I said previously.

* In Genesis 6, the words, 'man' or 'men',' sons of God' and angels, are used to distinguish human beings from spirit beings in the narrative.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Yeah, you get it, sister. In the Septuagint, Isaac was called the only begotten son of Abraham, it's the same word used in John 3:16. But didn't Abraham have other children? Ishmael before Isaac and Keturah after Isaac? Indeed, those two were Isaac's brothers, but only Isaac was the son of promise to receive his father's inheritance, his brothers were not. God's covenant with Abraham was passed down to Isaac, then Jacob, and all the way to Yeshua, and then the church, therefore we're all Abraham's seeds through the restored covenant. This is the contrast between the church - both Jews and Gentiles, adopted sons through Christ, and those other "sons of God", which are essentially false deities reigning the nations. Eventually the church will replace those evil "sons of God" and rule the world with Christ in the millennial kingdom. In Gen. 6:1-4, however, these "sons of God" came down from heaven to thwart this plan, and God thwarted them with the Flood, that's the narrative. People "calling upon the name of the Lord" didn't make them sons of God, instead, that allerted to the evil sons of God in heaven and brought them down to earth. By the time of Noah, all were corrupted except Noah and his family.

 

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'But to which of the angels said He at any time,
Sit on My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits,
sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?'
(Heb 1:13)

 

[Butch5]

In the OT, there's not much said about rebelling angels, most of the time those angels were just messengers, but there's a lot said about these rebelling "sons of God" and God's judgement for them, so real question is, are these NT portions connected to or separated from these OT passages regarding evil spiritual beings? You have to make a judgement call on that. There's no proof texting to fix that, it's all up to your personal belief - or unbelief.

And that's my point. There's nothing stating it. People just make assumptions.

 

[B-A-C]

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

What is this passage about? The angels that left "their first estate". .. and just like Sodom and Gomorrah "in like manner" they gave themselves "over to fornication". are "set forth as an example". Who is set forth as an example? The angels that committed fornication.

 

[Butch5]

They don't always appear in flesh. When Jesus cast the demons out of the pigs they were inhabiting a man, but they weren't the man. If God could make Jesus appear as flesh in the OT, I don't see why He couldn't do the same with angels. There's a spiritual body for heaven, and a fleshly body for earth, one does not contradict another as you assume.

I didn't say they always appeared or never appeared in flesh.

Nowhere in the Scripture says Yeshua cast out angels, you're making that up.

I was using the term angel of a spirit being.

The Son is not interchangeable with the Father. Father is a pure spiritual being in heaven, Son is the INCARNATE of the Father on earth, which did not happen yet in the book of Job. Job 1:6 specifically said sons of God presented themselves before GOD, not the Son, and so was the lying spirit. Apostle John saw neither the Son nor the Father directly, he was IN SPIRIT the whole time. If you suggest that those sons of God presented themselves before the Son, or in Ps. 82, it was the Son judging them in their midst, then again, you're making that up.

No, the Son is not interchangeable with the Father. John said no man has seen God at any time

Genesis 3:7–10 (KJV 1900): And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. 8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden. 9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked;

Here we have Adam and Eve in the presence of the Lord God. Now, how can that be if no man has seen God at any time? John tells us, the only begotten Son has made Him known.

Adam and Eve were in the presence of the Son.

 

[Butch5]

What is this passage about? The angels that left "their first estate". .. and just like Sodom and Gomorrah "in like manner" they gave themselves "over to fornication". are "set forth as an example". Who is set forth as an example? The angels that committed fornication.

I see how you're reading it. I presenting a different reading.

Jude 5 (KJV 1900): 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Those who came out of Egypt. End thought. New example.

Jude 6 (KJV 1900): 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

End thought. New example.


Jude 7 (KJV 1900): 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Three completely separate incidents. Reading it this way the phrase "in like manner" is describing the cities around Sodom and Gomorrah. They, the cities, did (in like manner) the same things as Sodom and Gomorrah. They gave themselves over to fornication and went after strange flesh. This explains why the cities of the plains around Sodom and Gomorrah were also destroyed with Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[Butch5]

References:- Genesis 6:2,4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; 1 Peter 3:18-20; 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6;

'For if God spared not the angels that sinned,
but cast them down to hell,
and delivered them into chains of darkness,
to be reserved unto judgment;
And spared not the old world,
but saved Noah the eighth person,
a preacher of righteousness,
bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;'
(2Pet. 2:4-5)

* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/2pe2.pdf

'And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation,
He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.'
(Jude 1:6-7)

* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/jud1.pdf

'For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,
the just for the unjust,
that He might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient,
when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,
while the ark was a preparing,
wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.'
(1Pe 3:18-20)

* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1pe3.pdf

Hello @B-A-C,

On what basis? On the basis of comparison between one Scripture and another, to determine how the Holy Spirit uses the term. Observing what words are used, and the context within which they are found.

* The Holy Spirit, in His word, uses the words, 'sons of God,' in the Old Testament in reference to Angels, and to Adam as those whom He had created: and to the redeemed of the Lord in the New Testament, who are born from above, and are a new creation in Christ Jesus, as I said previously.

* In Genesis 6, the words, 'man' or 'men',' sons of God' and angels, are used to distinguish human beings from spirit beings in the narrative.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris, I'm familiar with the passages. However, don't see anything in any of them that call these angels the sons of God.

I think you're misreading Jude 1:6. I've explained another reading in post 153

 

[B-A-C]

End thought. New example.

Why would it say "in like manner" if it was a totally separate subject?

 

[Butch5]

Then why did they become extremely wicked and all got drowned in the Flood except Noah? You still didn't and couldn't answer that. Besides, Noah and Seth were centuries apart, in the days of Noah there were "scoffers" (2 Peter 3:1-4, Luke 17:26-30) who openly mocked God, that sounds like the opposite of "calling upon the name of God", and you call them sons of God?

We don't know why they became wicked. However, that's totally irrelevant to the issue.

Ok, you say Noah and Seth were centuries apart. That eliminates 2 Peter 2:4 from the list of passages because Peter tells us that those angels sinned in the days of Noah.

1 Peter 3:19–20 (KJV 1900): 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

So, their sin and the reason for their imprisonment came in Noah's day not Gen 6. So that rules them out as the sons of God in Gen 6.

 

[Butch5]

Why would it say "in like manner" if it was a totally separate subject?

Because the " in like manner" is comparing the cities of the plains to Sodom and Gomorrah. We could also say it this way, the cities of the plains gave themselves over to fornication and went after strange flesh Just as ( in like manner) Sodom and Gomorrah did.

 

[B-A-C]

Jude 1:7
(GNB) Remember Sodom and Gomorrah, and the nearby towns, whose people acted as those angels did and indulged in sexual immorality and perversion: they suffer the punishment of eternal fire as a plain warning to all.
(HCSB) In the same way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them committed sexual immorality and practiced perversions, just as angels did, and serve as an example by undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

(Greek NT) ὡς Σόδομα καὶ Γόμορρα καὶ αἱ περὶ αὐτὰς πόλεις τὸν ὅμοιον τούτοις τρόπον ἐκπορνεύσασαι καὶ ἀπελθοῦσαι ὀπίσω σαρκὸς ἑτέρας πρόκεινται δεῖγμα, πυρὸς αἰωνίου δίκην ὑπέχουσαι.

(AMPC) [The wicked are sentenced to suffer] just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent towns--which likewise gave themselves over to impurity and indulged in unnatural vice and sensual perversity--are laid out [in plain sight] as an exhibit of perpetual punishment [to warn] of everlasting fire. [Genesis 19]
(ASV) Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.
of eternal fire.

... Sodom, Gomorrah, and the cities... in like manner to "these"... same way as "these" Who are "these" obviously not the cities.

(MKJV) as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, committing fornication, and going away after other flesh, laid down an example before-times, undergoing vengeance of everlasting fire.
(NAS77) Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
(NAS95) just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

 

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Hi Chris, I'm familiar with the passages. However, don't see anything in any of them that call these angels the sons of God.

I think you're misreading Jude 1:6. I've explained another reading in post 153

References:- Genesis 6:2,4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; 1 Peter 3:18-20; 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6;

'And it came to pass,​

when men began to multiply on the face of the earth,​

and daughters were born unto them,​

That the sons of God​

.. saw the daughters of men ​

.... that they were fair;​

...... and they took them wives of all which they chose.​

And the LORD said,​

My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:​

yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.​

There were giants in the earth in those days;​

and also after that,​

when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men,​

and they bare children to them,​

the same became mighty men which were of old,​

men of renown.'​

(Gen 6:1-4)​

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* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen6.pdf​

Hello @BUTCH,

To me, it is so evident, that the Holy Spirit has defined by this wording, i.e., 'the sons of God', and 'the daughters of men', the two categories of 'Being' being referred to, namely 'Human' and 'Angelic'. Especially in the light of the references to, 'sons of God', in the book of Job. ( Job 1:6; Job 2:1; Job 38:7 KJV).

'Now there was a day when the sons of God​

came to present themselves before the LORD,​

and Satan came also among them.'​

(Job 1:6)​

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* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/job1.pdf​

'Again there was a day when the sons of God came​

to present themselves before the LORD,​

and Satan came also among them​

to present himself before the LORD.'​

(Job 2:1)​

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* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/job2.pdf​

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'When the morning stars sang together,​

and all the sons of God shouted for joy?'​

(Job 38:7)​

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* https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/job38.pdf​

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* In the book of Job, Satan ( an angelic being ), came with other angelic beings, referred to as, 'sons of God', to present himself before God: He, though one of them, is identified separately because he is 'the Adversary' among them. (see the Heb. Interlinear) first in rank and power, and the chief player in the dialogue that follows.

* This is what is written and this is what I believe.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Hello @Butch5,

'Figures of Speech used in Scripture'
'sons of God' - This is the Hebrew idiomatic expression for angels. In every place where the expression occurs, angelic beings are to be understood.

* It is used singularly, i.e.,'son of God', in Daniel 3:25:-

'He answered and said,
.. Lo, I see four men loose,
.... walking in the midst of the fire,
...... and they have no hurt;
........ and the form of the fourth
.......... is like the (a) son of God.'
(Dan 3:25)

* Compare verse 28:-

'Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said,
Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego,
Who hath sent His angel,
and delivered His servants that trusted in Him,
and have changed the king's word,
and yielded their bodies,
that they might not serve nor worship any god,
except their own God.'
(Dan 3:28)

* Here in Daniel 28, the term, 'son of God,' (v.25). is identified as:- an 'angel', by Nebuchadnezzar.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris