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This is not a joke anymore/We thought we were FREE

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Sosthenes said:
Trump Privately Mocked the Christian Voters He Needs in 2020


www.vanityfair.com

Trump Privately Mocked the Christian Voters He Needs in 2020

The president reportedly doesn’t think much of the devout, even as white evangelicals helped put him over the top in 2016. He does, however, respect the religious “scam.”
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com
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I am trying to get past opinions and rhetoric and see the details behind the reporting. Is that not a good course? Attitudes should not count or assess an individual's votes or the recording thereof.
 
B-A-C said:
You are using "VanityFair" as a source of truth?
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When Donald became president, about two thirds of the news was about him because he creates controversies everywhere he goes. People around me wanted it to stop. I even lost one Christian friend over him.

He spent about a billion dollars on ads and hasn't changed any minds as he has lost by about 5 million popular votes.
 
Sosthenes said:
en.m.wikipedia.org

The Epoch Times - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

Click on controversies if and when you get to this Wikipedia page.
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Anyone can post on Wikipedia. That includes The CCP and all it's various minions. The slant presented has a CCP agenda attached to it. What is the story of Falun Gong in China? The CCP is heavily persecuting them to the point of global protests from various nations. I can't put a lot of stock in Wikipedias assessment here.
 
You need to take things that don't have concrete details as exactly what they are opinions. We need details and facts, not statements or second-hand assessments. Probe to the depth or assess opinions as exactly what they are opinions.
 
hopefulson said:
You need to take things that don't have concrete details as exactly what they are opinions. We need details and facts, not statements or second-hand assessments. Probe to the depth or assess opinions as exactly what they are opinions.
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We are going to see by a recap of this thread if it continues on, what kind of skewing of opinion exists, and what it is made of.
 
hopefulson said:
Anyone can post on Wikipedia. That includes The CCP and all it's various minions. The slant presented has a CCP agenda attached to it. What is the story of Falun Gong in China? The CCP is heavily persecuting them to the point of global protests from various nations. I can't put a lot of stock in Wikipedias assessment here.
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This is a strawman argument and ad hominen attack or poisoning the well argument instead of examining the arguments for their merit which is the same thing I am asked to do for the Epoch Times article.

Wikipedia has rules. Citations are needed for ideas presented.

There are scientific researchers who post their research on Wikipedia from Ivy League Colleges which I am not privy to disclose.

Our justice system allows defendents and claimants to the justice system whether or not you dismiss them from posting on Wikipedia.

Christians pick and choose which verses they wish to follow but you have to answer to God and not me.
 
Sosthenes said:
This is a strawman argument and ad hominen attack or poisoning the well argument instead of examining the arguments for their merit which is the same thing I am asked to do for the Epoch Times article.

Wikipedia has rules. Citations are needed for ideas presented.

There are scientific researchers who post their research on Wikipedia from Ivy League Colleges which I am not privy to disclose.

Our justice system allows defendents and claimants to the justice system whether or not you dismiss them from posting on Wikipedia.

Christians pick and choose which verses they wish to follow but you have to answer to God and not me.
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I'm not sure where the straw is and what man is carrying it. When I hear a correct description of Faun Gong and their status in China I will be more confident until then it is an obscuring of the facts article with falsity running in the background I can only assume is agenda-driven. In short, no Falun Gong facts present no confidence. If you need more opinion consult The United States State Department position.
 
Sosthenes said:
Trump is averaging more than 50 false or misleading claims a day - The Washington Post
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I'm sorry I don't read that paper or The New York Times. I have this rule when a paper or publication tends to argue for the sake of arguing or for the sake of making a statement I tend to shy away from that source. When they dig and expose, followup and quote, and attribute to the verifiable source the information they are reporting that causes me to consider the information and that does not mean I believe it. It means I consider it. Both of the papers I have mentioned are notorious for putting in print stories that have anonymise unverified sources. I don't have time to examine this link at the moment.
 
hopefulson said:
I'm sorry I don't read that paper or The New York Times. I have this rule when a paper or publication tends to argue for the sake of arguing or for the sake of making a statement I tend to shy away from that source. When they dig and expose, followup and quote, and attribute to the verifiable source the information they are reporting that causes me to consider the information and that does not mean I believe it. It means I consider it. Both of the papers I have mentioned are notorious for putting in print stories that have anonymise unverified sources. I don't have time to examine this link at the moment.
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Anyone can be a reporter. Everyone has biases.
For me, they are supposed to report the facts.
When I see reporters go from reporting facts to advocacy then bias can be at work which is why we should reject the Epoch Times because they spent a million dollars or more on ads and should register as a foreign agent.

There is nothing wrong with exposing.

But this administration is not Christian and God does not allow any sin in His house. As a Christian, I will not vote for a habitual liar.

The administration has gone without masks, held super spreaders events, has not distributed PPE but gave that money to Pentagon projects . They have withheld the CDC from reporting the truth. This administration has orphaned children from their parents. Has not been fair to refugees. They raised taxes on the middle class. This administration is for the rich because poor people cannot have the affordable care act. They don't care if we live or die and over 200,000 have died from coronavirus. And he might still drag us into a war which would become a wider conflict. His appointee slowed down the postal system and seniors could not get their prescriptions on time. Others think he is a white supremacist and proud boys are usingnhis words as their motto. This is shameful.

This administration resembles the false prophet.
 
Dear Brothers & Sisters,
How much more time will you need to get it out of your system?
Is it going to get better? Not before it gets a lot worse.

However, as believers we need to remember that we have Victory in Jesus, and not of the World or what we think it can provide us. Our Joy is not here, if its not in the Lord.

Just reread Br. Bears' post again.

This is not a joke anymore/We thought we were FREE

I have been watching this for a while. We all must pray, but here is some issue that requires some action as well. Pass this link along once you have examined it. It comes from a trustworthy news source The Epoch Times feel free to acquaint yourself with it. It is the last of the good guys. Here...
www.talkjesus.com

So, please let me know how much more time you'll need before I can close this thread.
At least until another one is opened on the same subject.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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Sosthenes said:
Anyone can be a reporter. Everyone has biases.
For me, they are supposed to report the facts.
When I see reporters go from reporting facts to advocacy then bias can be at work which is why we should reject the Epoch Times because they spent a million dollars or more on ads and should register as a foreign agent.

There is nothing wrong with exposing.

But this administration is not Christian and God does not allow any sin in His house. As a Christian, I will not vote for a habitual liar.

The administration has gone without masks, held super spreaders events, has not distributed PPE but gave that money to Pentagon projects . They have withheld the CDC from reporting the truth. This administration has orphaned children from their parents. Has not been fair to refugees. They raised taxes on the middle class. This administration is for the rich because poor people cannot have the affordable care act. They don't care if we live or die and over 200,000 have died from coronavirus. And he might still drag us into a war which would become a wider conflict. His appointee slowed down the postal system and seniors could not get their prescriptions on time. Others think he is a white supremacist and proud boys are usingnhis words as their motto. This is shameful.

This administration resembles the false prophet.
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I am not sure I agree with any of that except God does not want sin in His House. Yet I can make this charge and be sure of the outcome ( Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. )
 
Christ4Ever said:
Dear Brothers & Sisters,
How much more time will you need to get it out of your system?
Is it going to get better? Not before it gets a lot worse.

However, as believers we need to remember that we have Victory in Jesus, and not of the World or what we think it can provide us. Our Joy is not here, if its not in the Lord.

Just reread Br. Bears' post again.

This is not a joke anymore/We thought we were FREE

I have been watching this for a while. We all must pray, but here is some issue that requires some action as well. Pass this link along once you have examined it. It comes from a trustworthy news source The Epoch Times feel free to acquaint yourself with it. It is the last of the good guys. Here...
www.talkjesus.com

So, please let me know how much more time you'll need before I can close this thread.
At least until another one is opened on the same subject.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
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You can close it whenever you like. It is placed there as food for thought and a review for us all as to where we stand and why we stand there. I find it a good exercise. God Bless Nick.
 
James 1:20 for man's anger does not bring about the righteousness that God desires.
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James 1:20 - Hearing and Doing

for man's anger does not bring about the righteousness that God desires.
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We are having a civil war in this country politically because the divide in this country is causing the divide.

And I understand people are angry but the wrath of man does not bring about the righteousness that God desires.
 
Sosthenes said:
James 1:20 for man's anger does not bring about the righteousness that God desires.
biblehub.com

James 1:20 - Hearing and Doing

for man's anger does not bring about the righteousness that God desires.
biblehub.com

We are having a civil war in this country politically because the divide in this country is causing the divide.

And I understand people are angry but the wrath of man does not bring about the righteousness that God desires.
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If you want a legitimate nation you have to be able to vote.
www.theepochtimes.com

FEC Chairman: If Sidney Powell Says There Was Rampant Voter Fraud, ‘I Believe Her’

www.theepochtimes.com www.theepochtimes.com
 
hopefulson said:
You can close it whenever you like. It is placed there as food for thought and a review for us all as to where we stand and why we stand there. I find it a good exercise. God Bless Nick.
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Dear Hopefulson,
Your vote has been counted.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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Do not believe these so called fact checkers, snopes for example is funded by George Soros. Many others also have ties to left wing groups or there have there own agenda. Listen to the whistleblowers and people who are in the midst of this corruption. Fact Checkers
 
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