Those who speak against the Word ???

[Brad Huber]

God is not a man he has no flesh and blood.

Yet you are flesh and blood, and so are all who post here. You have needs and desires that are flesh and blood oriented , and you fulfil those daily. You are not just a spirit. Why treat everything else as spirit only?

 

[Garee]

Yet you are flesh and blood, and so are all who post here. You have needs and desires that are flesh and blood oriented , and you fulfil those daily. You are not just a spirit. Why treat everything else as spirit only?

That's not my goal. There is a thin line between the things of the flesh and things of the unseen Holy Spirit while we cannot throw out the baby with the bathwater adding new things . . the same difference . In that way we must rightly divide . . . . . . not add or subtract for the "book of law" the Bible. Not a book of the philodphies of men as oral traditions ..

Thanks for the humbling reminder.

I think our daily desires should be mixed as our literal daily bread. The. . .hidden manna spoken of in Revelation 2:17 is of Our Father that dwells in heaven He is our teacher and comforting guide. .

In that way we must be careful not to eat too much honey. God gives us little . . . the better thing that accompanies salvation (Hebrews 6)

He promises he will not forget the good works we can do yoked with him, according to His Almighty power.

I think what some call over spiritualizing is another thing. Its not that we love the flesh too much. . but is we do not love God enough, as if our own imaginary power could aid.

Christians receive the end of our salvation from the beginning .He promises if he has begun the good teaching work in us as our confidence he will finish it till our last day .(Philippians 1:6)

I would think we are no different than our brother in the lord Jesus, the Son of man, a prophet sent as the chief apostle. The apostle that the other apostles in the old testament spoke of the coming of Son of man, Jesus, born of woman ( mankind).

He declared ; not as I will Father . Jesus had no power to raise himself from dying mankind . The father strengthened the Son of man raising him from sufferings alone, beginning in the Garden of Gethsemane , By his wounds of a bruised heel we are healed. .

Yoked with the Father.. . like Jesus the fleshly promised example . . . . . our burdens can be lighter in the same way .Not as we will but his will the one with power to raise the dying.to eternal life.

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[Twistie]

Hi thanks for the reply/

I know God is not a God of confusion.

Now I am part of some fifty.? And You say I am trying to chase people from the lord because I give
you what the Bible declares ?

Again the Father who prophesied through the Son of man Jesus the apostle says the flesh of mankind profits for nothing.

Why would he say that if not true.? Or is it not important. that we rightly divide?

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

It offended some of the disciples they desired his flesh profit. . . as a hard saying resisting the understanding blocking their ears. It is a doctrine that offends Catholics as well as the unbelieving jew. .

It seems you support the idea. of venerating the dying flesh of mankind.

John 6: 60-61 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

God is not a man he has no flesh and blood.

No like I said u confuse me YH don't I hear YH just fine

It's you that are like the waves woshing back n forth have ya even taken a minute to hear what I have said.. it sure don't seem like it.. seems u think u right about all.. as u say water profits nothing to man I see her differently ya can write all the verses ya want n I still will b confused by you.. but u don't step back u can't let it ride.. is that perhaps that pride that is ya?

We don't see the same..

Hopefully one day ya will see it's much more the H20... The physical elements of water.. ya talk about like it's nothing that it profits nothing n I'm saying ur totally of base..

Only one can reveal to ya.. so instead of repeating urself ova n ova which by the way is badgering regardless if ya know it or not try pondering with ya.. like I said before u r pushing peep away not bringing them closer..


Twistie

 

[Garee]

No like I said u confuse me YH don't I hear YH just fine

It's you that are like the waves woshing back n forth have ya even taken a minute to hear what I have said.. it sure don't seem like it.. seems u think u right about all.. as u say water profits nothing to man I see her differently ya can write all the verses ya want n I still will b confused by you.. but u don't step back u can't let it ride.. is that perhaps that pride that is ya?

We don't see the same..

Hopefully one day ya will see it's much more the H20... The physical elements of water.. ya talk about like it's nothing that it profits nothing n I'm saying ur totally of base..

Only one can reveal to ya.. so instead of repeating urself ova n ova which by the way is badgering regardless if ya know it or not try pondering with ya.. like I said before u r pushing peep away not bringing them closer..


Twistie

Why you avoiding the query?

I understand that peeps do not move us closer to God .But what does it say and why did some of the disciples walk away confused and upset?

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

What are some things that were required but did not profit ?

 

[Twistie]

Why you avoiding the query?

I understand that peeps do not move us closer to God .But what does it say and why did some of the disciples walk away confused and upset?

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

What are some things that were required but did not profit ?

So it didn't profit lol now water doesn't profit people dude ur ridiculous ur annoying n ya r what I would call a troll I call it as I see it n I do now know what kind of spirit u are but ur a very prideful in fact your main objective is u to prove urself right no matter the cost.. woe unto u dude n let me know how long u can live with out water let me know how unprofitable she is to you.. all u is is an immature self centered egotistical that is blind but thinks he sees... U speak nothing of spirit u steal words of the Word to suite urself that's what u do.. n YH warned me about people like you.. I know what u is..
Funny bet ya they come at me all twisted n don't say a darn thing to u tho u have been badgering me for days..

I'm not dealing with your childish blind ways smh u r worse then the gang bangers frfr..

I'm starting to think ur a child n not an adult by your ways..

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

So it didn't profit lol now water doesn't profit people dude ur ridiculous ur annoying n ya r what I would call a troll I call it as I see it n I do now know what kind of spirit u are but ur a very prideful in fact your main objective is u to prove urself right no matter the cost.. woe unto u dude n let me know how long u can live with out water let me know how unprofitable she is to you.. all u is is an immature self centered egotistical that is blind but thinks he sees... U speak nothing of spirit u steal words of the Word to suite urself that's what u do.. n YH warned me about people like you.. I know what u is..
Funny bet ya they come at me all twisted n don't say a darn thing to u tho u have been badgering me for days..

I'm not dealing with your childish blind ways smh u r worse then the gang bangers frfr..

I'm starting to think ur a child n not an adult by your ways..

Twistie

Pharisee the word pharisee came to me n u ask @Garee wat don't profit what u r doin it profits nothing but ur ego.. yep Pharisee

Twistie

 

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Subject Heading:-' Those who speak against the Word???'

If one speaks different then what the Word tells us would that b considered blasphemous?

How about one who claims ya need more then one water baptism?? Would they too not b guilty of blasphemy??

Twistie

Hello @Twistie,

Your subject heading draws our attention to those who speak contrary to what is written in the Scriptures: and you ask the question, are those who do this guilty of blaspheme? As an example of this you refer to those whom, you have heard, say that more than one water baptism is required, and ask if they would be guilty of blasphemy by so saying.

* The word, 'blaspheme', is found in the New Testament in 6 places (Acts 26:11; 1 Timothy 1:20; James 2:7; Revelation 13:6) and twice in the following verses:-

'Verily I say unto you,
All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men,
and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
(Mark 3:28-30)

* We can also be in no doubt as to what constitutes blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, for we have the Lord's own example to refer to, don't we? As well as the words which end the quotation (above). '.... because they said, "He hath an unclean spirit" '. The Scribes had attributed the works of the Lord Jesus Christ to that of an unclean spirit:-

'And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said,
He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth He out devils.'
(Mar 3:22)

* The seriousness of this is obvious, isn't it, because of the Holiness of the Holy Spirit, Whose works they were.

* All of the vain words of man spoken contrary to the word of God pale into insignificance when compared to this, don't they? Though should not go un-condemned.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Twistie]

Subject Heading:-' Those who speak against the Word???'

Hello @Twistie,

Your subject heading draws our attention to those who speak contrary to what is written in the Scriptures: and you ask the question, are those who do this guilty of blaspheme? As an example of this you refer to those whom, you have heard, say that more than one water baptism is required, and ask if they would be guilty of blasphemy by so saying.

* The word, 'blaspheme', is found in the New Testament in 6 places (Acts 26:11; 1 Timothy 1:20; James 2:7; Revelation 13:6) and twice in the following verses:-

'Verily I say unto you,
All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men,
and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
(Mark 3:28-30)

* We can also be in no doubt as to what constitutes blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, for we have the Lord's own example to refer to, don't we? As well as the words which end the quotation (above). '.... because they said, "He hath an unclean spirit" '. The Scribes had attributed the works of the Lord Jesus Christ to that of an unclean spirit:-

'And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said,
He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth He out devils.'
(Mar 3:22)

* The seriousness of this is obvious, isn't it, because of the Holiness of the Holy Spirit, Whose works they were.

* All of the vain words of man spoken contrary to the word of God pale into insignificance when compared to this, don't they? Though should not go un-condemned.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

I believe we gonna b judged by every action n word I'm just trying to find is telling peep to get baptized by water time n time again is blasphemy.. idk like I know that when one joins the Masons they have to b baptized into the Mason they do this to baptize them back into the ways of the world.. so that brought me to this question of a Christian whom was baptized is goes around telling others they must b rebaptized for what eva the reason the may give is that blasphemy...

Smh alls I wanted was thought from others on this subject n I wound up being badgered ..

So much for help being sharpened in this area of the Word I guess

I can see rededicating ones Life to the Lord but to say one must b rebaptized after they had already been idk just don't sit well with my spirit n don't know why..

N how one can claim water profits nothing?? Smh this is just a bit to much for me.. n I must admit I'm not so tolerant these days with all that I am enduring at the moment.. thos ole bird tired lol

I cant see how any one who claims the Love YH say anything that YH has told His children to do did not profit them.. Smh everything YH tells us to do profits us Smh it bring us closer to YH.. idk I really don't get people
N please do not think I look at you as one of them ur one of the few I can understand n don't
confuse me with ur words

Twistie

 

[Garee]

Pharisee the word pharisee came to me n u ask @Garee wat don't profit what u r doin it profits nothing but ur ego.. yep Pharisee

Twistie

What are the things that God says do not profit. Does it profit when he says it does not ?

Again you error We can look at John 6 that you seem to avoid . It is clearly shows the flesh of the Son of man our brother in the lord did not profit It was the Father's power working in the Son of man Jesus that alone did profit ( born again) .Just as his Spirit that works in us born again believers today yoked with Christ our burden are made lighter .

Getting wet as a ceremonial law or shadow of the good things to come. . . . . adds nothing.As a sign to the unbelieving world Believers trust prophecy . . signs designed are for the evil generation non converted mankind .

Shadows do not profit.

When the Lord needed confirmation he gave Peter the prophet the words. . . Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. He did not say you have the flesh of eternal life. God is not a man

John 6:63-64 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

John 6: 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

 

[Twistie]

Again you error We can look at John 6 that you seem to avoid . It is clearly show the flesh of the Son of man our brother in the lord did not profit It was the Father power working in the Son of man Jesus that alone did profit ( born again) .Just as his Spirit that works in us born again believers today yoked with Christ .

Getting wet as a ceremonial law or shadow of the good things to come it adds nothing.as a sign to the unbelieving world Believers trust prophecy . . signs are for the evil generation non converted mankind .

Shadows do not profit.

When the Lord needed confirmation he gave Peter the prophet the words. . . Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. He did not say you have the flesh of eternal life. God is not a man

John 6:63-64 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

John 6: 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Pharisee what u r I have some slang terms that could b used to but ya ain't knocking me off my square

 

[Garee]

Pharisee what u r I have some slang terms that could b used to but ya ain't knocking me off my square

Thanks for the reply .

it's you that reflect the believe of the Pharisees with Sadducees . My goal to defend the word of God's prophecy .Prophecy for believers signs and wonder. . those who do not have any faith that could please the God of faith

Pharisees are those who do seek after a sign to wonder after like getting wet a old testament ceremonial law . This when a person had a desire to join the priesthood as as sign to the whole world "not a sign unto themselves" . Aaron two sons performed that kind of idea called "strange fire (unauthorized) . . we did it it proves who we are those of false- pride, self-edification they were consumed by foolish pride .the ceroinal priestly clothes not a hind of smoke. God protecting the integrity of His power words of life.

SeeKing a sign before they will believe God .Making Jesus into a cursus seal. do a trick work your magic then when we see it. . then we will believe .Not before .

It's why when speaking to Nicodemus when he snuck around at night hiding form the other Pharisees with Sadducees .

Christ working in the Son of man Jesus revealed the greatest possible miracle "born again" .he lovingly commanded Nicodemus the sign and wonder follower to "marvel not ". Marvling is not believing (trusting the unseen things of God ) the things of God that do profit .

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Getting wet profits for nothing,

Why make Jesus into a circus seal?

 

[Brad Huber]

Getting wet profits for nothing,

You might be offending alot of people with your body odor, if you think washing yourself is worthless. And Jesus said to continue washing each others feet, so why would Jesus say this if it profits nothing?

 

[Garee]

You might be offending alot of people with your body odor, if you think washing yourself is worthless. And Jesus said to continue washing each others feet, so why would Jesus say this if it profits nothing?

Thanks.

Not worthless but rather it does not profit as power to raise mankind from the dead or dying .. washing each other feet is the gospel . Jesus set the example of the father not seen washing us . with the doctrine of God that fall from . heaven Husbands are to wash their wives with the water of the word a example to the whole world of the baptism of the Holy Spirit represented by different kinds of water. that bring green life .Green represents the new creatures Christians. Its not husbands wash your wives with alphabet soup (words)

Ephesians 5:25-27 King James Version2 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,


Deuteronomy 32King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

He pours out His Spirit as if it was literal water on dying flesh . . strengthening believers yoked with him washing away the sins.

 

[B-A-C]

There is a misconception among some people that Jesus used parables to hide or conceal things. Actually it was mostly just the opposite.

People didn't understand priests, sacrifices, all the laws, rituals, and history of the Torah. But they understood about fruit, fish, trees,
loaves of bread, and simple farm things.

Jesus took deep profound things and explained them in simple parables so that simple people could understand them.
Even the Pharisees usually understood what was being said.

Matt 21:43; "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.
Matt 21:44; "And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust."
Matt 21:45; When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.

Matt 13:35; This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet: "I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH IN PARABLES; I WILL UTTER THINGS HIDDEN SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD."

Jesus was revealing things things hidden since the foundation of the world.

There are some who try to complicate and convolute the simple things in the Bible. The Bible says what means, and means what it says.
You don't have to reverse words, or count every third vowel in Hebrew, or do word swapping or any of that nonsense.

 

[Brad Huber]

Thanks.

Not worthless but rather it does not profit as power to raise mankind from the dead or dying .. washing each other feet is the gospel . Jesus set the example of the father not seen washing us . with the doctrine of God that fall from . heaven Husbands are to wash their wives with the water of the word a example to the whole world of the baptism of the Holy Spirit represented by different kinds of water. that bring green life .Green represents the new creatures Christians. Its not husbands wash your wives with alphabet soup (words)

Ephesians 5:25-27 King James Version2 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,


Deuteronomy 32King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

He pours out His Spirit as if it was literal water on dying flesh . . strengthening believers yoked with him washing away the sins.

Be careful about what you teach to others as truth, you will definately be held to account for it. Its one thing to state your belief in something like this, but altogether another and higher thing to teach others something as truth. You hold fire in your hands and will be burned for sometime to purify you from any falsehood you have taught others.

 

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I believe we gonna b judged by every action n word I'm just trying to find is telling peep to get baptized by water time n time again is blasphemy.. idk like I know that when one joins the Masons they have to b baptized into the Mason they do this to baptize them back into the ways of the world.. so that brought me to this question of a Christian whom was baptized is goes around telling others they must b rebaptized for what ever the reason the may give is that blasphemy...

Smh alls I wanted was thought from others on this subject n I wound up being badgered ..

So much for help being sharpened in this area of the Word I guess

I can see rededicating ones Life to the Lord but to say one must b rebaptized after they had already been idk just don't sit well with my spirit n don't know why..

How one can claim water profits nothing?? Smh this is just a bit too much for me.. n I must admit I'm not so tolerant these days with all that I am enduring at the moment.. those ole bird tired lol

I cant see how any one who claims the Love YH say anything that YH has told His children to do did not profit them.. Smh everything YH tells us to do profits us Smh it bring us closer to YH.. idk I really don't get people
N please do not think I look at you as one of them ur one of the few I can understand n don't
confuse me with ur words

Twistie

'But I say unto you,
That every idle word that men shall speak,
they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.'
(Mat 12:36-37)

Hello @Twistie,

I think you were referring to the verses above, when you spoke of words being judged.

Those to whom the Lord spoke in the verses above, were Scribes and Pharisees who were not ignorant concerning the Old Testament Scriptures, they could not claim ignorance as a defence for their words and actions could they? God knows the secrets of men's hearts, doesn't He? He will therefore make righteous judgments.

Paul said:-

'Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come,​

who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness,​

and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts:​

and then shall every man have praise of God.'​

(1 Cor. 4:5)​

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Twistie]

Thanks for the reply .

it's you that reflect the believe of the Pharisees with Sadducees . My goal to defend the word of God's prophecy .Prophecy for believers signs and wonder. . those who do not have any faith that could please the God of faith

Pharisees are those who do seek after a sign to wonder after like getting wet a old testament ceremonial law . This when a person had a desire to join the priesthood as as sign to the whole world "not a sign unto themselves" . Aaron two sons performed that kind of idea called "strange fire (unauthorized) . . we did it it proves who we are those of false- pride, self-edification they were consumed by foolish pride .the ceroinal priestly clothes not a hind of smoke. God protecting the integrity of His power words of life.

SeeKing a sign before they will believe God .Making Jesus into a cursus seal. do a trick work your magic then when we see it. . then we will believe .Not before .

It's why when speaking to Nicodemus when he snuck around at night hiding form the other Pharisees with Sadducees .

Christ working in the Son of man Jesus revealed the greatest possible miracle "born again" .he lovingly commanded Nicodemus the sign and wonder follower to "marvel not ". Marvling is not believing (trusting the unseen things of God ) the things of God that do profit .

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Getting wet profits for nothing,

Why make Jesus into a circus seal?

Ya the blind n the deaf will follow the false teachings but those who can see and hear know what u r ur a false teacher spreading false teachings woe to those who lead the blind astray..
N obeying YH benefits nothing huh child of the devil u is..

Twistie

 

[Garee]

Ya the blind n the deaf will follow the false teachings but those who can see and hear know what u r ur a false teacher spreading false teachings woe to those who lead the blind astray..
N obeying YH benefits nothing huh child of the devil u is..

Twistie

You are adding again . No one said obeying the Holy Spirt profits for nothing .I did say repeating what the bible infallible informs us the flesh as a thing seen a rudiment of this dying world profits for nothing ..

What you need to do is prove it does profit getting water on flesh does save a person soul .

 

[B-A-C]

What you need to do is prove it does profit getting water on flesh does save a person soul .

1Pet 3:21; Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Mark 16:16; "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Acts 2:38; Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

1Thes 5:23; Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Twistie]

You are adding again . No one said obeying the Holy Spirt profits for nothing .I did say repeating what the bible infallible informs us the flesh as a thing seen a rudiment of this dying world profits for nothing ..

What you need to do is prove it does profit getting water on flesh does save a person soul .

Nope I am not u double talk talk just like satan himself ur a good student of his

Twistie