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Tithing

In reading this article more closely, I have a few questions.

Abraham tithed unto Melchizedek, Isaac tithed, His son Jacob and many others also even before the law was given. Many Christians do not tithe because they have been taught that they are not under the law, but under grace. While this is a true statement, God did not institute the tithe to bring us under the law, but to get blessings to His children. Abraham tithed before the law, and God blessed him supernaturally. We're under grace that we might establish the law; not turn from it. Jesus said that He didn't come to do away with the law, but to fulfill it. Because He fulfilled it, we are to establish it. His Words are forever settled in heaven, therefore we establish His Words upon the earth.

I could not find any scripture that states that Isaac ever tithed and Abraham tithed only once according to scripture. Jacob promised God a tenth but I couldn't find scripture stating that he kept his promise.

This scripture states that all the tithe, whether it be seed of the land, fruit of the tree, or one tenth of all that you earn, is holy unto the Lord. Deuteronomy 14:22-29 states that one-tenth of all that comes into your possession, belongs to God. This was God's plan to instruct His people as to the way of blessings that He had for them.

Let's see what Deuteronomy says exactly concerning the tithe.

22* Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23*And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. 24*And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: 25*then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: 26*and thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27*and the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
28*At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 and the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

No wonder it is just referenced and not printed out.

Those who are in the five-fold ministry (apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists and teachers) have a command from the Lord to receive tithes (Hebrews 7). These tithes are not given, but paid, because the tithe belongs to the Lord.

Lets take a look at Hebrews 7

1*For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2*to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3*without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4*Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. 5*And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 6 but he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7*And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8*And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9*And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10*For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11*If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12*For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14*For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Christ is like Melchisedec
15*And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16*who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17*For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18*For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19*For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20*And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: 21*(for those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) 22*by so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23*And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24*but this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25* Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26*For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27*who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28*For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

I don't see any mention of the five fold ministries in this chapter.

Chapters 5-7 deals with the ministry of Melchizedek and that Jesus is the priest forever according to Melchizedek. We know Abraham gave tithes of all that he possessed. We know in the Law of Moses, tithes were commanded. After the Law, Hebrews states that Jesus is the Lord, not just of the past, not just of the present, but forever. Hallelujah! He is the Lord of the tithe, forever.

This is a False statement and it is not supported by scripture.

Malachi 3 is used to support the law of tithing today. But when it is read closely, we discover that it is the priests that God is confronting about stealing the tithes and offerings.

Even if tithing could be supported by scripture to be practised today in the Body of Christ then there are a few things to be put straight.
1) we are all priests now according to 1Peter 2:4-10
2) The tithe was brought to God's house or Temple, and We the believers are now the house and temple of God.
1Peter 2:4-10
4* To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6* Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7*Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8*and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9*But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10*which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

I challenge everyone to read all the scriptures given as references in articles and make certain for yourselves so you wont be deceived.
 
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Chad said:
Please read the sticky post of this forum. These are taken from Bible.com site not myself. They are all 100% legit from well known bible scholars and long been Christians with great knowledge of the Word of GOD.

This is for you Jzslvzu

To properly quote the entire sentence which you left out portions:

"The strongest chain is only as strong as its weakest link. When we fail to tithe, we become that weak link. Statistics show that approximately 20% of Christians tithe. That means, 80% of Christendom is not in covenant with their God, but are like beggars and thieves looking for handouts and what they can steal from Him."

Do you have an issue with giving back to GOD through tithes? I certainly hope not. Jesus Christ sets us free, no condemnation on us we can all [hopefully] agree because that is Truth but however, isn't it fair to give back to GOD what GOD has given us?

This is a neat article from gotquestions.org that I would like to share with you all:

Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the law in which all Israelites were give 10% of everything they earned and grew to the Tabernacle / Temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites of the sacrificial system. The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. Paul states that believers should set aside a portion of their income in order to support the church (1 Corinthians 16:1-2).

The New Testament nowhere assigns a certain percentage of income to set aside, but only says it is to be “in keeping with his income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). The Christian church has essentially taken the 10% figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving. However, Christians should not feel obligated to always tithe. They should give as they are able, “in keeping with his income.” Sometimes that means giving more than a tithe, sometime that may mean giving less than a tithe. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Each and every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom as to whether to participate in tithing and/or for how much he or she should give (James 1:5). “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).
 
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A question to consider before giving answers is, "Do we believe the entire Bible to be the word of GOD?" If so, we know it contains Old Testament, and New Testament...Law and Grace...neither can we say because it is in OT that it is not for us, today. All of GOD'S word is important and is to be applied to/in our lives. We will be accountible to GOD for how we have interpreted/misinterpreted HIS word or misuse(d) what HE has entrusted to us. I believe that we are to be a channel through which GOD can pour out HIS blessings to others and in return, HE will bless us [and it may not always be monetary blessings]; however, it is not to be given with the expectation of getting back from GOD. When we give HIM and HIS word the benefit of the doubt...try and trust HIS word (OT and NT), HE does honor HIS word and pours out the blessings upon us. Malachi 3:10c, "...prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."

As some of the posts have clearly stated, the tithe or 10% already belongs to the Lord and our offerings are not considered offerings unless we go above and beyond the tithe. The tithe is 10% from our gross income...what do we do with the other 90%? We are to be good stewards of the remainder, as well. Abundant blessings come from being obedient to the LORD, it might surprise us if we put GOD to the test in tithing. I've heard the saying from many different sources, "YOU CAN NEVER OUTGIVE GOD." We KNOW this to be true because of HIS sacrificial giving of HIS SON--JESUS. Another saying is, "We can know that GOD is in control of the life that GOD controls his wallet/finances."
 
I do not want to debate this subject, (groaning ) but I need to point something out ...

Since this is a "Bible Study" thread, it might be helpful for the veiwers if the debate was centered on the Word, and not opinion and consensus...

On that note...

If so, we know it contains Old Testament, and New Testament...Law and Grace...neither can we say because it is in OT that it is not for us, today. All of GOD'S word is important and is to be applied to/in our lives.

TDS52, you are contradicting the express written Word of God all over the place with that statement... while claiming to adhere to it at the same time, how is this?

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

"Sayings" have little or nothing to do with the Word ...(again Bible Study) those were witty expressions...but promoting a completely misguiding standard...one certainly not promoted by Christ.


Jesus said "even if you give your body to be burned..."


On that note...majority of Christians I have any history with, are happily giving to the church" and not even realizing Jesus asked them to "THE CHURCH"
...and those my friends are not the same thing.

God bless all.

Jam 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.
 
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